Your overview of each housemate in a sentence?

[Frank E]

What is your impression of each housemate in a sentence or two ... or three?

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Ben:
Caioimhe:
Corin:
David:
Govan:
Ife:
John:
Mario:
Josie:
Nathan:
Rachael:
Shabby:
Sunshine:
Steven:

[Jords]

Ben: true gent who is straight-talking and can be unintentially hilarious - the paranoia did get to him this week though, and I do wonder if he has game tactics or not.
Caoimhe: Shabby's bitch that offers nothing, just a bore and needs to go.
Corin: lovable and fun, stays out of sh!t and could potentially win this series.
David: drunk on God's love? Not sure I buy that, but is a respectable figure within the house.
Govan: all he did was bitch bitch bitch, pleased he was evicted tonight.
Ife: very funny on LF and am glad to see her have more air time in the HL shows, wise move not being too clingy clingy with Shabby and Caoimhe.
John: cant make my mind up on JJ - could be gameplanning big time and his moaning is so tedious, however recently he has been entertaining with his flirtatious behaviour with Sunshine.
Mario: likable lil' Moley, comes across a bit creepy with Ben at times, but on a whole is sweet and caring.
Josie: bladdy hilarious and love her accent, would like to see her do a bit more around the house though and not just lay around.
Nathan: who? :sleep:
Rachael: tart, typical housemate we have seen plenty of times, but had less to offer, deserved to go but is an attractive girl.
Shabby: on/off with Shabby, her tantrums are annoying, and she bad-mouths no end, however she does have a caring side and tbh is an interesting character.
Sunshine: I LOVE HER, I think she is misunderstood a lot, but I find her fun (comes out with some cracking lines), interesting and I like the fact she gets fully involved and is not afraid to speak her mind. Im getting a bit of a crush on her. :love:
Steven: good man, loyal and level-headed, not as interesting as others though - if he won it would be purely based on him having a disabilty, but I wouldnt mind seeing him get to the final.

[billy123]

great thread this should be interesting.

Ben: very funny,witty,friendly but too sensitive

Caioimhe: arrogant and boring

Corin: lovely happy go lucky and caring

David: always honest funny genuine guy

Govan: very annoying gossip but very immature

Ife: struggling to impose her character on the house boring so far.

John: funny and well meaning but arrogant due to his insecurities has a bit of growing up to do.

Mario: (tough one) a nice guy maybe too nice for his own good.

Josie: the girl next door bubbly funny and confident about who she is.

Nathan: yet to show us who he is so far just a grumpy old man.

Rachael: shallow wannabe with a lack of respect for other people very selfish.

Shabby: narcissistic,selfish jumped up little bitch.

Sunshine: immature needy irritating and socially inept almost childlike.

Steven: Amazing bloke friendly,assertive,sure of who he is and what he wants has taken a while to settle in but showing sure signs of becoming a great housemate.

[Jamietwo]

ben is middle class a bit ugly but intelligent and pleasant

keever is a boring people pleaser with 80's hair

corin...whos corin the lovable girl with tits? she's alright.

david...friendly druggy jesus freak with scary laugh

Govan is a gay

Ife is a petit black woman

John is an uptight little aussie guy whos sphincter snaps shut in anger regularly, and he's got bad breath and good looks that he will lose dramaticly from age 30 onwards.

mario is a slim boring self contained type

Josie is a big ole blousy mama whos one of the guys

Nathan is heterosexual, hairy, and shaggable and cooks well

Rachel , oh was she the good looking girl that left early?

shabby...mouthy little dyke with narcisistic personality disorder

sunshine....neurotic pale mad jewishy looking piece of rabbit poo

steven... disabled ex army type that snores

[billy123]

cool answers so far i hope loads more people take part in this its already funny how similar a lot of the descriptive words are.

come on frank e wheres yours?

[Frank E]

I've been up all night so will fill in tomorrow when I can hopefully write something a littl emore coherent.

[billy123]

I've been up all night so will fill in tomorrow when I can hopefully write something a littl emore coherent.
lol fair call :thumbs:

[starry]

Ben: Has some intelligence and conversation but it quite conceited and self deluded projecting his own faults onto others, huge gameplayer.
Caoimhe: Insecure person who needs to follow other like a sheep, bitter.
Corin: Huge gameplayer who will not reveal much of herself and pretends to like everyone, not that intelligent and obsessed with her makeup, not a bad person but not that interesting.
David: Pleasant enough, easygoing and a bit eccentric, a bit self-deluded at times.
Govan: Huge gameplayer who enjoyed bitching but also was a fan of the show and alot of fun at times.
Ife: Changes depending on who with, not as strong as might make out, but can be fun.
John: Paranoid but can be fun, uses people in the house for his game.
Mario: Only person he has loyalty to is Ben because of his infatuation, amiable but feels a bit shallow, can be fun.
Josie: Probably wants a showmance, thinks she is one of the best gameplayers, can be fun sometimes but also lethargic.
Nathan: Cook who is a bit intolerant of others not in his gang and is a loudmouth.
Rachael: A bit bitchy was put in as the house totty and thought she was meant to hook up with JJ, not as bad as made out but not really that strong a character.
Shabby: Bitchy and is the biggest attention seeker but also funny and has some charisma.
Sunshine: Nerdy, very open with her feelings and thoughts, unintentionally funny, very friendly, sensitive and caring, might seem a bit loud sometimes and quiet at others, wants to have fun.
Steven: Grounded person who sits like a rock in house and is reassuring to people but who for varous reasons (age, disability, character) finds it hard to fully interact with the house.

[calyman]

Ben: Decent, misunderstood, naive, honest, cares too much about what others say of him. He has no backbone, though seems a lovely guy.

Caioimhe: Typical "cool" girl, has no integrity, is a follower, derives her strength from those she perceives as popular or strong

Corin: At heart is probably nice enough, though quite vaccous, she generally tries to smooth things over and doesn't like to be involved in disputes.

David: Rather innofensive christian, who's get out clause is that his faith does not allow him to do certain things but he himself has no problem (then why does he keep the faith?)

Govan: Has went off seeking the ring (oo-err)

Ife: Pretend nice person, she has less than meets the eye about her.

John: Two faced bitch, has some serious issues going on in his head, perhaps he should not have come on the show.

Mario: Decent enough type, has just slightly more backbone than Ben.

Josie: I don't think she's quite the cider drinker she appears to be.

Nathan: A proffesional Northern bloke, is the egg, toast and muffin monitor.

Rachael: Currently having her nails done.

Shabby: The beloved of the Devil, regularly sacrifices stupid bints on national TV.

Sunshine: Has insight but chooses to act as a simpering eejit, get her out Pleeeese.

Steven: Is an everyday bloke, he should try to show he has a more distinct personality and not strive to blend in as much as he so far has done.

[karezza]

Ben: Hapless, harmless posh.
Caioimhe: Vile, evil snake.
Corin: Fake smile, fake breasts, fake fake fake.
David: Decent, genuine Christian.
Govan: Ugly, nasty, repulsive.
Ife: One of the 3 witches.
John: Good game player - desperate to win.
Mario: Pervy & volatile.
Josie: Pretending to be a simpleton. A brute.
Nathan: Monobrowed bore & a total waste of space.
Rachael: Bitchy witch.
Shabby: Scabby is a lowlife, bitchy witch.
Sunshine: Nice, decent, moral & funny.
Steven: War hero who is playing a good game.

[Stacey.]

Ben: Really needy as he wants everyone to like him and stick up for him and stuff y'know.
Caioimhe: Actually a nice girl, generally quiet but stands up for her friends.
Corin: Over-the-top nice at times and annoying.
David: Boring - hardly know anything about him.
Govan: Sweet, misunderstood guy who says things without thinking which makes the things he says sound a lot worse than they really are, very funny aswell.
Ife: Hasn't done anything other than get between Shabby and Caoimhe.
John: Vile person who constantly digs and insults others.
Mario: Lovely guy who doesn't get too involved in anything but does enough.
Josie: Really funny and happy - has a good laugh and doesn't take anything too seriously.
Nathan: Utter idiot that gets no camera time on highlights shows - but no wonder considering the very few lines I have heard him say...
Rachael: Best housemate - lovely girl shame she got caught up with the housemates that the public didn't like, came out with some funny things too.
Shabby: Epic - she's always herself and doesn't care what people think.
Sunshine: Total game-player and selfish and spoilt.
Steven: Not done anything really, but seems cool, just heard him getting annoyed because of the drop of money in the shopping budget and swearing about it.

[Niall]

Ben: Posh idiot.
Caioimhe: Nice Irish girl who don't see how much she is messing Shabby about.
Corin: Sweet, genuine funny person. :)
David: Meh.
Govan: Needs to think before he speaks. I felt really sorry for him in his interview last night, he looked like he was gonna burst into tears the whole way through.
Ife: Nice person -- I like her!
John: :lovedup:
Mario: Annoying wanker who only seems to be in the house to arse lick Ben. Evict him please.
Josie: She is so funny, I love Josie lol! :hugesmile:
Nathan: Who? :conf: (joking lol)
Rachael: A-whole.
Shabby: Annoying at times but I do like Shabby actually.
Sunshine: Annoying. Thats her only quality. Annoying.
Steven: Meh.

[mizzy25]

Ben: dont particularly like him but he is enteraining

Caioimhe: havent really got an opinion on her hasnr done anything

Corin:i think everyone loves her dont they? wots not to like?

David: wish he wud go

Govan:sad hes gone i liked his bitching sessions

Ife:havent seen her do anything @ all

John: good looking but a right pain

Mario: like him until he had a strop when shabby put him up and i wish he wud stop walking about in his undies

Josie: really like josie she seems nice and down to earth

Nathan: erm who? weve hardly seen him @ all so i cant actually form an opinion

Rachael: wudve liked her to stay over dave

Shabby: love her she makes the show

Sunshine: my hate figure this year

Steven; cant figure out why hes in there

[Chuckyegg]

Ben: has no spine or balls
Caioimhe: one half of a ficticious romance that it is assumed we will be interested in.
Corin: Corin-ation street. Lovely person
David: homophobe....erm....thats it!
Govan:
Ife: potential comedian
John: proof that you can be good looking and ugly at the same time
Mario: doesn't know who he is. doesnt know what his problem is, and nor do we.
Josie: bit boring but nice
Nathan: the cook
Rachael:
Shabby: actress (see Caioimhe)
Sunshine: mover and shaker
Steven: nothingy

[darkminxi]

Ben: Weird hairdo-toting posh guy who is often hilarious to watch. Always putting his foot in it with other housemates, poor chappy!

Caioimhe: White Grace Jones looky-likey who is the lust-interest of the in house lesbo and seems happy with that fact.

Corin: Lorraine Chaise looky-likey, but wears waaaay too much make-up. I think BB should give her a task to stop saying "like" every other word!

David: Welsh god-bothering two-faced twat.

Govan: His gossiping got him booted early.

Ife: Absolutely gorgeous looking, but one of the more quiet ones atm.

John: Irresistible to watch, not just for his good-looks, but to see when he will next blow-up for no apparent reason.

Mario: Sweet guy, intelligent, interesting, tremendous back up for the socally inept Ben.

Josie: Pretty and curvy lass, with a happy, friendly demeanour, awesome accent. I hope she goes all the way to the end.

Nathan: Rough and ready northern lad, comes out with some great one-liners. Yet to seem him come out of himself a bit more.

Rachael: Pretty girl, not mush else to say really, would have liked to have seen a bit more of her, well longer than the week she lasted anyways.

Shabby: I've gone from loving to loathing her and back again. She is a very strong character, wish she didn't bully so much, else she'd be my favourite.
"I feel like my heart has been dropped out my bum hole" had me in stitches!

Sunshine: Hated her at start, but she's growing on me. Her Lady Ga-ga routines are painful to watch!

Steven: Dunno really, he's ok, fairly interesting to watch, but very quiet compared to the others (snoring aside ofc)! We'll see as the weeks progress.

[Raph]

Ben: Quite full of himself, and two-faced towards Sunshine. Not really liking him at the moment.
Caioimhe: Cool accent, and a lil badass, she's alright!
Corin: Top girl for me, really nice down-to-earth girl and has got the funniest accent ever. 'I cant belaiv it', 'im luvin it', 'me stomach's in a twist', 'looks as though me face's been ioned.' haha.
David: hate him. and yes, he's welsh.
Govan: too much gossip for my liking.
Ife: who?
John: funny guy. only flaw was that he was out of order with Rachel.
Mario: wass funny as the mole. a bit boring now though.
Josie: meh, she's alright.
Nathan: best housemate this year for me so far. Nathan to win!
Rachael: Didn't deserve to go at all. Was a sweet girl, and was dead hot!
Shabby: She's cool. Although I think of her as a 'he'.
Sunshine: Vegan. Beware..
Steven: Bore, bore, bore.

[Raph]

Ben: Quite full of himself, and two-faced towards Sunshine. Not really liking him at the moment.
Caioimhe: Cool accent, and a lil badass, she's alright!
Corin: Top girl for me, really nice down-to-earth girl and has got the funniest accent ever. 'I cant belaiv it', 'im luvin it', 'me stomach's in a twist', 'looks as though me face's been ioned.' haha.
David: hate him. and yes, he's welsh.
Govan: too much gossip for my liking.
Ife: who?
John: funny guy. only flaw was that he was out of order with Rachel.
Mario: wass funny as the mole. a bit boring now though.
Josie: meh, she's alright.
Nathan: best housemate this year for me so far. Nathan to win!
Rachael: Didn't deserve to go at all. Was a sweet girl, and was dead hot!
Shabby: She's cool. Although I think of her as a 'he'.
Sunshine: Vegan. Beware..
Steven: Bore, bore, bore.

[bansheewails]

Ben - irritating, like a novelty song stuck in your brain.

Caoimhe - Only has her name going for her

Corin - open, friendly, funny and unpretentious

David - Daft Dave the Dull Druid

Govan - like a 4 year old in school but funny with Jj and Josie

Ife - beautiful but unremarkable

John - A childish hypocrite who needs anger management

Mario - Can be very funnny, but needs to stop mothering Ben

Josie - Bubbly, fun loving, beautiful babe out for a good time

Nathan - Excellent one liners but needs to get in there more

Rachel - misunderstood beauty

Shabby - like Ben loves the sound of her own voice too much

Sunshine - needy, hyper sensitive and needs to be told that she it not the 'mother'

Steven - Tells some good stories but needs to be more involved.

[Jack_]

Ben: He is and will be the centre of arguments in the house. For entertainment purposes he must stay.

Caioimhe: Pretty dull, to be honest.

Corin: This year's Sophie Reade, except funnier. Will probably win, but doesn't really do much...

David: Pretty dull, the whole "drunk on the love of our lord" thing was funny but obviously fake.

Govan: Misunderstood. One of the leaders of his and Shabby's group. Should've stayed because he would've kept it together.

Ife: Dull as ****ing ****.

John: His rants are funny and he's also another source of conflict. He needs to stay.

Mario: Another dullard.

Josie: Has her moments, but on the whole pretty ****ing dull.

Nathan: Needs to come out of his shell - could be quite interesting.
For now though, dull.

Rachael: Hot and the storyline that was developing between her and JJ would've been good. Shame it had to be stopped.

Shabby: It's vital that she stays this week, otherwise we're ****ed. The only remaining leader of her group that'll keep the house divide going.

Sunshine: Moany, dull cow. But for the sake of conflict she should stay.

Steven: Respectable guy but doesn't do much. Dull.

[Frank E]

Ben: Nice guy, quite the gent but too much of an apologist for his own good thus getting himself in scrapes despite good intentions. Being polite does not mean apologising for your existence, needs to re-read Debretts. Particularly deferrent to women whan trying to avoid confrontation. Could use voice coaching - for modulation rather than diction - so whatever he says doesn't sound whiney.

Caioimhe: Not sure which way the gender transition is going for this befreckled tink. Is losing the ability to produce both her own RNA and DNA so borrows one or't other from Shabby and will probably evolve into a virus once Shabby leaves the BB house. Either that or we will see a live case of Stockholm Sndrome.

Corin: Nice but dim. Very dim. Was she dropped on her head as a baby?

David: Just shows that the ministry isn't the hardest game in the book with all that kneeling and praying and that xians aren't gormless gullible people desparate to believe what they are telling people thoughthe mediumof proselytisation . He has clearly and beyond doubt proven that there's a fun element to xianity which will no doubt have disaffected binge culture yoof knocking at the church doors. Book a pew early for the next fest, the reservations are literally flying out the door. A Father Jack in the making, he's in all probability dying for a bottle of meths and a hit.
A pint of the deludo he's had bartender, a chaser to het rid of the taste of the lord juice and two packets of cheese and onion. Harmless and friendly though.

Govan: Inappropriately named after a shipyard where men are men, and so are women. The bitch cried when bitchslapped.

Ife: What is this choreomaniac even there for?

John: Straight off a aussie dishwater err I mean lager advert. Forthright, though his delivery has spoiled the message on occasion. Entertaining

Mario: Likeable but quite shy. If he came out his shell a bit and engaged with others I might be able to form an opinion.

Josie: Very meh! The reasons for her obesity are obvious - lays about the house much of the time and she is a vindictive vulture round food.

Nathan: Thought he had a strong enough personality for the house after putting a traffic cone on his head when he was drunk once, cos he just rolls that way, he's kerraaazy. Wanting further career success to append to his achievement of making it as a trainee joiner at the age of 26, under 'Positions of Responsibility' on his CV he has "milk monitor" listed and is hoping to build on this by controlling the flow of toast in the BB house.

Rachael: The confidence in her womanity she harped on about at her exit interview had no basis other than looking vaguely like a D list celebrity whose name I've forgotten, perhaps the hairdresser from Corry. I had to look at the forum archives to remember who she was.

Shabby: Parasite who squats because it makes her cool, street and down with the proles rather than through desparate necessity. Articulate in arguments due to prolonged practice. Possibly the spawn of modern parenting where 'no' wasn't in her received vocubulary. Has taken a hostage in Caiomhe to add depth to her character, the most significant points of interest in her personality being that she wears a hat, has bad dress sense. Carousel from Logan's Run or South Park would be more fitting place for her than BB carousel. The pretentious prick of a woman I thought she was when she went in.

Sunshine: A fairly typical medic, with cranio-rectal inversion, the product of a misspent youth cramming for exams to the detriment of her social develpment, was off the day they did nutrition at medical school. Disowned by the medical site she pushed herself on to, she is struggling socially to differentiate between the anatomical structures of the anus and the olecranon. Might do well to continue in medical writing, away from patients untils she 'gets it', socially (she's not a bad writer). Was a tentative favourite to begin with but for the veganism . Now she saves me explaining why I didn't continue in medicine. As pretentious as Shabby.

Steven: Kind of guy you'd want around a squaddy camp during conflict due to his grounded nature, but only if there is a big group. Might be hard work stimulating conversation with him in a small group.

[lol]

Ben: Polite, laid back, can be manipulative.
Caioimhe: A lost sheep who has to follow Shabby everywhere
Corin: Genuine, funny, chatty, loves the word "like"
David: Strange, but not exactly in a bad way.
Govan: A **** stirrer who sounds like Vicky Pollard
Ife: Intelligent for distancing from the witches and polite
John: Can lose his temper quite easily, stands up to people but a little too much
Mario: Kinda shy, but pretty friendly
Josie: Hot, funny, but can be a bit nasty sometimes.
Nathan: Genuine, likes to cook. :p
Rachael: A stuck up bitch who thinks she;s better than everyone else.
Shabby: A person with the mind of a 5 year old, she is annoying in every way possible and looks a mess.
Sunshine: Friendly, but can be a bit too sensitive.
Steven: Really nice guy, been brave for what's happened to him, doesn't do much but that's maybe because of the big characters in the house at the moment.

[BB_Eye]

Ben: Indispensible as a housemate, but also naive and arrogant.
Caioimhe: Wastes her people skills on currying favour with the most powerful housemates.
Corin: Rehearsed and a little false
David: Awkward and embarrassing
Govan: Insecure, probably doesn't like himself very much, but occasionally charming.
Ife: Enigmatic; I can't work out her gameplan.
John: A bit of a six-face.
Mario: Likeable and clearly wants to win.
Josie: Not much to like or dislike these days.
Nathan: A waste of space who has made no effort to endear himself to the viewers.
Rachael: Typical eviction fodder... a fairly vacuous female and also quite narcissistic.
Shabby: Drama queen with an ego the size of the Andean range who still manages to be boring most of the time.
Sunshine: Socially inept and irritating at times, but also quite funny.
Steven: Stands emotionally aloof from the mostly younger and less mature house which could work against him.

[Lostie!]

Ben: Means well, but is too wrapped up in the game and how he is being perceived - this will be his downfall.

Caoimhe: An ice cold bitch, through and through, she's basically a sociopath who needs to go asap.

Corin: The heart of the house, she's got a heart of gold and will go far.

David: Can be annoying and full on, but means well and is a very loyal friend.

Govan: Went from being my favourite to one of my least favourites, he couldn't help but to gossip and cause trouble all around him.

Ife: A sheep, who lost any respect I had when she backtracked on her attempted escape from the bathroom coven and joined in the Crispgate bitching.

John: A nice guy, despite his flaws - he is just very vocal when he sees things that he perceives as wrong, that doesn't make him a bad person.

Mario: Another nice guy, who is fiercely loyal, and just wants to be the mediator in the group - but he can sometimes sit on the fence a bit much.

Josie: Rapidly dropping in my estimation, her bitchy side is surfacing and it will continue.

Nathan: An absolutely pathetic waste of a housemate, he's vile and nasty - when he's visible, that is!

Rachael: Doesn't deserve the fanfare she has received on the forums, she was a bitchy little girl while in the house, and it got her evicted.

Shabby: A petulant little child who wants as much airtime as possible, hence her aggressive strops about everything and anything.

Sunshine: Misunderstood and vulnerable, she is the scapegoat of the house and, if there's any justice, she will prosper and finish above those who have ganged up on her.

Steven: I'm neutral on Steve, but he seems like a really nice guy who doesn't want to allign with any side of the house at the moment.

[stonedape]

Ben: The New Derek, posh, conservative, and addicted to drama, but ultimately endearing.
Caioimhe: Her name is hilarious and her relationship with Shabby is mildly entertaining but she'll have to step it up energy-wise if she wants to survive as a prettier girl.
Corin: Refreshingly simple and lolworthy.
David: If his religious hypocrisy and evangelism caused more drama i'd give him a pass, but he should have left last night. :sleep:
Govan: Could have and should have played nice a couple more weeks, but he started the drama train and I thank him for it.
Ife: Her intuition to leave ScabCaiohwem shows potential, but she'll need to get loyalty in the house or loyalty w/ the audience soon.
Mario: Relationship with Ben is legend, editors are taking it easy with him because he already had so much Mole airtime.
Josie: Made of BBWin, I don't see her being nominated or evicted any time before finals, and I don't mind.
John James: A jungle cat, the biggest gameplayer in the house, needs to stay.
Nathan: Needs to get a gimmick beyond monobrows and cooking.
Rachael: She was the vacuous hotgirl, but every house needs one and she left too early.
Shabby: Knows how to get air time but hasn't figured out how she'll survive past week 3.
Sunshine: Should have left week 1.
Steven: Great guy but I don't think he should be on Big Brother.

[BB_Eye]

Ben: The New Derek, posh, conservative, and addicted to drama, but ultimately endearing.


Not sure about that comparison. Derek was extremely cunning, had a sharp tongue and actually scared a lot of his fellow housemates.

[Maia]

Ben: Dry-humoured, witty and intelligent guy, very calm-mannered, but he shouldn't get too close to Mario.
Caioimhe: Kind, funny, beautiful and sweet girl, loyal to her friends and fun to be around.
Corin: Irritating, thick wannabe, we've seen everything she has to give.
David: Friendly, warm-hearted and accepting, but too boring.
Govan: Fast-talking trouble maker who just bitched aimlessly, but I don't think he's completely bad.
Ife: Nice, affectionate and friendly girl, likes to make friends, genuinely cares about others.
John: Bit of a stuck-up foulmouthed vain man, he can be alright though.
Mario: Boring immature sheepish moron just follows Ben and Dave around everywhere or has a tantrum for no good reason.
Josie: Easy-going, friendly, sociable, amusing, she's not bad overall.
Nathan: Fun, jack-the-lad type guy, easy to get on with.
Rachael: Attractive, cool, sassy, she had more to give.
Shabby: Eccentric, fierce, spontaneous, hilarious and highly entertaining girl.
Sunshine: Annoying self-centred immature little brat, likes to make a spectacle of herself if she can't get her own way.
Steven: Decent respectable guy, but he fades into the background too much.

[stonedape]

Not sure about that comparison. Derek was extremely cunning, had a sharp tongue and actually scared a lot of his fellow housemates.

Every analogy breaks down at a point, but I still think it's mostly valid. He's on a entirely different plane than the other HMs.