Why was Josie so upset?

[Claymores]

I've missed a lot because of World Cup. I had thought she didn't particularly like Govan

So why the tears?????? Did she want someone else to go?

Sorry - please explain

[Julie10]

She said she was upset not because he left but because she gave him false hope saying he would be staying. Also she thinks it was wrong for people to boo a 21 year old man that is struggling with issues. Govan will get over it he's a grown man and its a game show and no one died!

[bansheewails]

Govan and Josie have been getting on really well for the last week or more. They have been having fun and I think she brought out a nicer side to him as well.

[Stacey.]

Govan said he'd had the majority of his best moments with Josie.

They were really good friends.

[Claymores]

She said she was upset not because he left but because she gave him false hope saying he would be staying. Also she thinks it was wrong for people to boo a 21 year old man that is struggling with issues. Govan will get over it he's a grown man and its a game show and no one died!

Thank you - I do have LF but barely use it, your summary was better :thumbs:

[Claymores]

Govan said he'd had the majority of his best moments with Josie.

They were really good friends.

I must be missing lots wee Stace - I had thought he was more with the witches

[Claymores]

Govan and Josie have been getting on really well for the last week or more. They have been having fun and I think she brought out a nicer side to him as well.

Excellent explanations I've had thanks to all - I'm hopefully back up to speed

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

she was crying not because he left but because she herself was worried and feeling sorry for him cos he had worries and issues

i think she was part genuine part acting for the cameras to exaggerate

i laughed when she held the note and said thanks govan at just the right moment after gollum interview ended and it cut back to house

wonder if she was goin 1 one thousand 2 one thousand aaaand action

scabby kadgagoogoo giving her acting lessons i reckon

i was surprised rent a mob gave him boos though i was expecting a "luke n bex" crowd

cheer the ****** yay he entertained us :elephant:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

she was upset because josie used to sit under table while govan fed her scraps from his plate like kids do with their pet dogs, now govans gone that wont happen anymore

[LiquidGold]

I've missed a lot because of World Cup. I had thought she didn't particularly like Govan

So why the tears?????? Did she want someone else to go?

Sorry - please explain

she misses her surrogate son! :laugh3: . and yea they were friends and always in bed together remember :sleep:

[Angus]

The penny dropped that Govan was hated, but being thick as pig sh*t she is morphing into him - her nastiness and bitchiness is seeping out of every pore, and she's doing the classic Govan thing - lighting the fuse then standing back to gloat at the fall out. The crisps incident showed her up for the nasty cow she is - she was the one who started on Sunshine (who, by the way, I don't particularly like), and then the rest of the hyenas laid in to her.

Starting to really detest smirky, sly Josie.

[xzlr8]

she cld be goin thru hormonal changes due to pregnancy
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/4422/preggers.jpg

[Claymores]

The penny dropped that Govan was hated, but being thick as pig sh*t she is morphing into him - her nastiness and bitchiness is seeping out of every pore, and she's doing the classic Govan thing - lighting the fuse then standing back to gloat at the fall out. The crisps incident showed her up for the nasty cow she is - she was the one who started on Sunshine (who, by the way, I don't particularly like), and then the rest of the hyenas laid in to her.

Starting to really detest smirky, sly Josie.

The crisp thing bugged me, seems she enjoys upsetting people (did it with JJ too) and it's not an attractive part of her personality. She does indeed appear to be slotting-in to Govan's role as Shabby's lieutenant

I used to think she was OK but now she just grates.

[Stacey.]

I must be missing lots wee Stace - I had thought he was more with the witches

He was friends with them all yeah

[AndyJK]

She said she was upset not because he left but because she gave him false hope saying he would be staying. Also she thinks it was wrong for people to boo a 21 year old man that is struggling with issues. Govan will get over it he's a grown man and its a game show and no one died!

The booing is horrible and is all down to Davin McCall's useless, inept skills as a host by allowing it to happen (although her bosses aren't exonerated by not getting involved).

If I was the host and compering a crowd I would never allow booing or jeering to happen then describing it as nothing more than "pantomime" as its not acceptable behaviour. I would tell people to stop booing politely, and if it persistent I'd threaten to have them removed.

The housemates aware of booing does effect how they behave in the house.

Big Brother 4 for example turned into a snore because I remember the house mates became obsessed with the crowd's reaction and worried about being booed, they used to discuss it in the house.

[xzlr8]

people have a right to express themselves.
whether its cheering or jeering it matters not...

no one cares if you think you cld do a better job than davina.
shes out there in front of the cameras, whreas youre probably in front of the mirror somewhere and will never be on tv...

[AndyJK]

people have a right to express themselves.
whether its cheering or jeering it matters not...

no one cares if you think you cld do a better job than davina.
shes out there in front of the cameras, whreas youre probably in front of the mirror somewhere and will never be on tv...

People have a right to express themselves to what is acceptable behaviour. I don't believe booing and jeering to the extent it rises to is acceptable. Moreover the crowd's reaction effects the behaviour inside the house. Would you like to be greeted by a cacophony of booing and jeering if you left the house?

And as you feel people have a right to express themselves does this include people you disagree with on message boards too?

[Braden]

She could be crying because she knew how much Govan was hated so she got really worried about how the public view her.

[_Seth]

The booing is horrible and is all down to Davin McCall's useless, inept skills as a host by allowing it to happen (although her bosses aren't exonerated by not getting involved).

If I was the host and compering a crowd I would never allow booing or jeering to happen then describing it as nothing more than "pantomime" as its not acceptable behaviour. I would tell people to stop booing politely, and if it persistent I'd threaten to have them removed.

The housemates aware of booing does effect how they behave in the house.

Big Brother 4 for example turned into a snore because I remember the house mates became obsessed with the crowd's reaction and worried about being booed, they used to discuss it in the house.

They were totally right to boo whoever they wanted! Davina should not stop the crowd expressing themselves.

[Simone.]

It's not like he died...they need to toughen up a bit.

[setanta]

She could be crying because she knew how much Govan was hated so she got really worried about how the public view her.

Yep, I agree with this. She's shi%%ing it because she thinks she's not liked either.

[Jack_]

I'm convinced Govan probably confided in her regarding his sexuality, and then when she realised he was hated...it was going to worse for him, if that makes sense.

[fingers]

Yep, I agree with this. She's shi%%ing it because she thinks she's not liked either.

Well, she's dead right there, those people watching her sly devious glances and smirking have formed an opinion and no amount of papering over the cracks by her blinkered fans will change it!:wavey:

[yousoboo!]

It's not like he died...they need to toughen up a bit.


This^. Its like when HMs say "I'm really missing my friends and family" as if they've been on a 6 month tour in Iraq.

It's been like 2 weeks in the BB house you bunch of wimps.

[vesavius]

I've missed a lot because of World Cup. I had thought she didn't particularly like Govan

So why the tears?????? Did she want someone else to go?

Sorry - please explain

She lost a friend, one she had a laugh with and had grown close to. She also expressed a fear for Govan, because she heard the boos and knows he has insecure vulnerable side to him and will take it hard (as proved right by his exit interview).

Haters will try and attach other meanings to it because they are sad little men, but thats it really.

[setanta]

Well, she's dead right there, those people watching her sly devious glances and smirking have formed an opinion and no amount of papering over the cracks by her blinkered fans will change it!:wavey:

I don't mind the girl really, but lately she's gotten very sneaky. That could be just a natural occurence when you consider that they've been in the house for two weeks now and bored but still, she does have a bitchy side to her alright.

[vesavius]

I don't mind the girl really, but lately she's gotten very sneaky. That could be just a natural occurence when you consider that they've been in the house for two weeks now and bored but still, she does have a bitchy side to her alright.

Sneaky? How?

She was the only one to tell SS to her face that she was looking tight,and even Ben and Mario say they like her and that she is one of the most honest people in the house.

Expain how she is 'sneaky' please?

[Lostie!]

Govan was her "little man". However, she needed to realise that he had been evicted, not executed.

[setanta]

Sneaky? How?

She was the only one to tell SS to her face that she was looking tight,and even Ben and Mario say they like her and that she is one of the most honest people in the house.

Expain how she is 'sneaky' please?

She's starting to bitch and moan all the time, that's why. Plus slithering into rooms to overhear other people's convos and then relaying it to others doesn't rest well with me.

[Claymores]

Sneaky? How?

She was the only one to tell SS to her face that she was looking tight,and even Ben and Mario say they like her and that she is one of the most honest people in the house.

Expain how she is 'sneaky' please?

Well I thought she was enjoying every second of Sunshine's anguish and acted like one of Shabby's lieutenants to try ensure Sunshine got nominated this week therby saving their lardy asses.

Sorry vessy - I did like her before, but is now a Govan replacement.

[vesavius]

Well I thought she was enjoying every second of Sunshine's anguish and acted like one of Shabby's lieutenants to try ensure Sunshine got nominated this week therby saving their lardy asses.

Sorry vessy - I did like her before, but is now a Govan replacement.

So fickle, I guess the need to go with the herd gets us all sooner or later :P

She was the only honest one in that whole situation, she said it to SS and not behind her back, and she actually bought the whole situation to a much earlier end then if she hadnt said it. The general bitching vs SS would have gone on for hours and been a lot nastier if she hadnt.

I honestly don't agree with your interpretation of her actions or her 'enjoying it'. I saw nothing of that.

[vesavius]

She's starting to bitch and moan all the time, that's why. Plus slithering into rooms to overhear other people's convos and then relaying it to others doesn't rest well with me.

Examples?

You use a lot of emotive words there but give no substance... poor debate :(

If you have given the examples in different posts thats cool, just tell me and I will go read them. I hate retyping the same stuff again and again here as well.

If you havent... do you want to?

[setanta]

Examples?

You use a lot of emotive words there but give no substance... poor debate :(

If you have given the examples in different posts thats cool, just tell me and I will go read them. I hate retyping the same stuff again and again here as well.

If you havent... do you want to?

I haven't said anything emotive, and sure you're one to talk, calling all of us idiots because our views differ from yours in relation to Josie. People in glass houses and all of that.

[Claymores]

So fickle, I guess the need to go with the herd gets us all sooner or later :P

She was the only honest one in that whole situation, she said it to SS and not behind her back, and she actually bought the whole situation to a much earlier end then if she hadnt said it. The general bitching vs SS would have gone on for hours and been a lot nastier if she hadnt.

I honestly don't agree with your interpretation of her actions or her 'enjoying it'. I saw nothing of that.

You've gone Josie blind - the smirk on her face when Sunshine got upset said it all.

[fingers]

You've gone Josie blind - the smirk on her face when Sunshine got upset said it all.

None of her stalwart defenders can see the smirks!!:joker::dance:

[Frank E]

I've missed a lot because of World Cup. I had thought she didn't particularly like Govan

So why the tears?????? Did she want someone else to go?

Sorry - please explain

Got the painters in or attention seeking.

[fivecougz]

She's starting to bitch and moan all the time, that's why. Plus slithering into rooms to overhear other people's convos and then relaying it to others doesn't rest well with me.

So you're a sucker for editing.

[fingers]

So you're a sucker for editing.

Obviously YOU are watching the Live Feed??:wavey:

[Sticks]

It did seem a bit too intrusive to me when they showed her in distress like that, I would have cut to the rest of the house.

[boomoo]

Well I always wonder why they go in. They know they will most likely be booed because that is the game.

They have a psychological assessment and presumably they all passed.
If Govan had a problem with his sexuality he must have been considered to be balanced and allowed into the house ot he did not come clean with his worries in his assessment.
The only thing he had to offer the house was his sexuality and he thought that would keep him in.

It takes more than that to make a good housemate. Brian Dowling springs to mind.

[vesavius]

You've gone Josie blind - the smirk on her face when Sunshine got upset said it all.

No, I just don't change my view overnight on someone based on a heavily edited HL show and the weight of fashionable opinion, as is all too common around here.

All the reasons I support Josie are still true. I do not expect *anyone* in that house to be perfect, and I don't turn on them in a second if they are not. I only ask that they are basically honest funny generous people to get my support, and Josie hasnt been anything but that. I won't condem her just because she was friends with Govan, or because she gets on with the others such as Shabby.

If I see her actually being the person being described by the haters here I will join in the dissaproval, but I just havent. I have actually been objective in many posts about HMs I don't like but still want in the house to watch, so Josie dosent have to be one to be the other in my eyes.

I have stated my loathing for Ben plenty of times, but I have also said didnt even want him to leave on Friday... he is good TV for the time being after all. Same with Sunshine.

[Claymores]

No, I just don't change my view overnight on someone based on a heavily edited HL show and the weight of fashionable opinion, as is all too common around here.

All the reasons I support Josie are still true. I do not expect *anyone* in that house to be perfect, and I don't turn on them in a second if they are not. I only ask that they are basically honest funny generous people to get my support, and Josie hasnt been anything but that. I won't condem her just because she was friends with Govan, or because she gets on with the others such as Shabby.

If I see her actually being the person being described by the haters here I will join in the dissaproval, but I just havent. I have actually been objective in many posts about HMs I don't like but still want in the house to watch, so Josie dosent have to be one to be the other in my eyes.

I have stated my loathing for Ben plenty of times, but I have also said didnt even want him to leave on Friday... he is good TV for the time being after all. Same with Sunshine.

I'm never ever fashionabe vessy - I saw what I saw. Why bring ben into this??? I was talking about Josy being a cow lietenant for Shabby.

[vesavius]

I'm never ever fashionabe vessy - I saw what I saw. Why bring ben into this??? I was talking about Josy being a cow lietenant for Shabby.

eh?

I didnt accuse you of anything, I only explained why you saying I had gone 'blind' wasnt correct.

as for Ben, I only mentioned him in the context of how I am pretty objective about who I want in the house, and that I dont defend them out of any percieved need to keep them in... I'm sorry, I honestly thought you would see that.

I thought I answered your post pretty well, I am sorry thats all you took from it.

[Claymores]

so, explain why rather then act in this overly defensive way and we might have a conversation.

whats 'extreme' about what I have said in this thread?

~Simple Josie's behaviour has been indefensible

[vesavius]

~Simple Josie's behaviour has been indefensible

Well, that dosent tell me much more then before.

How so specifically?

if you have posted why you think so elsewhere, tell me and I will go read it there.

[Claymores]

Well, that dosent tell me much more then before.

How so specifically?

if you have posted why you think so elsewhere, tell me and I will go read it there.

OK - she wound Sunshine over crisps purely to try get the girl up for eviction. She smirked when the lass got uprset. She then used this ammunition with Shabby/Caoimmhe

[vesavius]

OK - she wound Sunshine over crisps purely to try get the girl up for eviction. She smirked when the lass got uprset. She then used this ammunition with Shabby/Caoimmhe

Thats really how you saw it? I am suprised tbh

My perspective on it was that even the HLs showed her saying to SS 'If you don't share the crisps you will look tight', and that was the truth.

By not sharing the crisps SS DID look tight in the eyes of the house... thats just a fact, and she would have looked a lot worse as time went on without being told that.

Josie did not give her a sniff of grief over it past that point, and even her saying to the house what she had said to SS stopped the more hostile bitching from going on and on (though it obviously didnt halt it completely).

If I was in that house and I had the crips I personally would have thrown them in to the group pot, but thats me. Maybe thats why I see it differently to most here.

She later sat repeatedly and listened to SS air her view point calmly, even on the subject of her fears of being the most hated in the house (even to the point of saying she was on her period and she would soon be the most hated herself to make SS feel better)

Josie always smiles, when she is happy or when she is upset or nervous. In the latter it's obviously a defense mechanism that she uses to try to defuse situations that make her uncomfortable. It dosent make her evil or nasty.

Josie is used to communal living where everyone mucks in and throws it all into the pot for sharing ('care and share, thats the point') and I have no doubt she found it distasteful anyone having a personal food supply, but at least she said it directly to SS in a reasonable calm way. The fact that SS chose her later to sit with and chat about her perspective later on, when Josie actually comforted her, shows that she trusts Josie and wasnt offended with her in any way.

I know none of this will change your perspective, and nor do I expect it to, but it's just how I saw things.

[Claymores]

Thats really how you saw it? I am suprised tbh

My perspective on it was that even the HLs showed her saying to SS 'If you don't share the crisps you will look tight', and that was the truth.

By not sharing the crisps SS DID look tight in the eyes of the house... thats just a fact, and she would have looked a lot worse as time went on without being told that.

Josie did not give her a sniff of grief over it past that point, and even her saying to the house what she had said to SS stopped the more hostile bitching from going on and on (though it obviously didnt halt it completely).

If I was in that house and I had the crips I personally would have thrown them in to the group pot, but thats me. Maybe thats why I see it differently to most here.

She later sat repeatedly and listened to SS air her view point calmly, even on the subject of her fears of being the most hated in the house (even to the point of saying she was on her period and she would soon be the most hated herself to make SS feel better)

Josie always smiles, when she is happy or when she is upset or nervous. In the latter it's obviously a defense mechanism that she uses to try to defuse situations that make her uncomfortable. It dosent make her evil or nasty.

Josie is used to communal living where everyone mucks in and throws it all into the pot for sharing ('care and share, thats the point') and I have no doubt she found it distasteful anyone having a personal food supply, but at least she said it directly to SS in a reasonable calm way. The fact that SS chose her later to sit with and chat about her perspective later on, when Josie actually comforted her, shows that she trusts Josie and wasnt offended with her in any way.

I know none of this will change your perspective, and nor do I expect it to, but it's just how I saw things.

Sorry kid - there is a difference between smiling as being a happy bunny and smirking at a nother's anguish. Josie did the latter and if you can't see that you are deluding yourself.

[vesavius]

Sorry kid - there is a difference between smiling as being a happy bunny and smirking at a nother's anguish. Josie did the latter and if you can't see that you are deluding yourself.

ok, one, I am probably older then you, or at least the same age, so lets not do the 'kid' thing maybe? It's pretty patronising and looks like your trying to devalue my points by assuming some kind of implied seniority instead of honest debate. Not mad or anything, just saying.

My point about her smile wasnt saying she was a 'happy bunny'... didnt you get that?

As for being 'deluded', well thats just opinion right? At least I expressed mine without trying to offend you.

No matter though, I am more then aware no one gets their mind changed on an internet forum (especially one based on personal insight) and I don't even think this blip is important enough to bang on about much more then I have.

It's a long way from the final yet, and Josie is almost universally popular in the house (even with SS) and won't be up any time in the near future, so plenty of time for opinions out here to flip flop (as they predictably will).

[Zippy]

I've missed a lot because of World Cup. I had thought she didn't particularly like Govan

So why the tears?????? Did she want someone else to go?

Sorry - please explain

Lol. You have missed a lot if you weren't aware of their friendship. They were like a couple but without the sex.

[vesavius]

So you're a sucker for editing.

Most here are tbh... It's the thing I find most constantly suprising.

I always assume that the BB 'hardcore' post here and that they will get the fact that the HL show is a jaundiced and biased representation of events and the HMs, designed to manipulate the viewer and create a 'story' and not to be trusted at all...

I am usually wrong though :P