Germany v England

[Big Brother Fan]

WTF???? I dont live in england

[Jase]

Howcome like people from Ireland hate England? I thought they lived in England...

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[Jack_]

Oh :blush: Thought it was all the same thing.

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[bbfan1991]

Congratulations Malza:), hope you have a good time celebrating whilst we wallow in what if's, criticism and depression:joker:.

[Stacey.]

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Ah I get it now.

[Nemo123]

I have come to the conclusion that when it comes to football managers, England have been blighted by a bunch of chancers over the years.

[Big Brother Fan]

Footballs comin' home! Its comin' home! It comin!!!!

[Big Brother Fan]

Goal-line technology is a never starter, if goal line technology is introudced after this, it shows the corruption in world football.

There will be a fifth offical in the Champions League next season, we'll have to see how that gets on.

[bbfan1991]

Footballs comin' home! Its comin' home! It comin!!!!

Yes a United fan:thumbs:, hopefully Rooney will be back to his best at OT next season:hugesmile:.

[Malza]

Congratulations Malza:), hope you have a good time celebrating whilst we wallow in what if's, criticism and depression:joker:.

I celebrate on my own today, to lazy to go out, and it's to ******* hot outside.

[Big Brother Fan]

No doubt Rooney will, England aren't playing him properly, he didn't over strech himself, he obviously wanted to be fit for next season. :)

[bbfan1991]

I selebrate on my own today, to lazy to go out, and it's to ******* hot outside.

LOL don't blame you:D. I guess you have the fan on or windows open?, open up some more beer or whatever you drink:).

[Malza]

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[KG.]

Terrible, terrible performance.

Well done to ze Germans, outclassed on every level and fully deserved to go through.

[Malza]

LOL don't blame you:D. I guess you have the fan on or windows open?, open up some more beer or whatever you drink:).

I have a airconditioner on here (it's 31°C) and enjoy ice cold banana juice with Licor 43

[King Gizzard]

Surprisingly I'm already over it ;s

[Nemo123]

For anyone with an attention span longer than a goldfish here's why paying Fabio loadsamoney gets you ****:

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[Maia]

Footballs comin' home! Its comin' home! It comin!!!!

Not this year my friend.

....but I still love that song. :D

[bbfan1991]

I have a airconditioner on here (it's 31°C) and enjoy ice cold banana juice with Licor 43

Blimey:shocked:.. Banana juice, that sounds yum better than Banana Cake:joker:.

[Locke.]

We're ****ed for 2014. Our players will be:

GK:
James = 43
Green = 34

DF:
A. Cole = 33
Ferdinand = 35
Terry = 33
Carragher = 36
Upson = 35
King = 33

MF:
Gerrard = 34
Lampard = 36
Barry = 33

FW:
Heskey = 36
Crouch = 33


Defoe = 31
J. Cole = 32
Wright Phillips = 32
Carrick = 32
Hart = 27
Johnson = 29
Milner = 28
Lennon = 27
Rooney = 28
Dawson = 30
Warnock = 32

All our best players apart from Rooney, looking at it realistically at this stage, will not be in our next world cup squad. And I really don't rate the younger English players coming through at the minute.

[setanta]

England have got their excuse. A perfectly good goal disallowed, hit the cross bar a couple of time. Once again England outplay Germany but still lose.

Outplayed Germany? It could have been 6 or 7-1.

[bbfan1991]

Definetly Setanta and thats what most England fans are saying:).

It is worrying in terms of the ages the players will be at the time of the next WC and the talent that is coming through at the moment..

[King Gizzard]

Repetition here but it wouldn't of been that if it was 2-2

[Nemo123]

no more of this sh!t

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[King Gizzard]

Deleted my twitter is pure shame ahaha

[setanta]

Repetition here but it wouldn't of been that if it was 2-2

Yes, it would have - Germany were better than you at everything today. You had a ten minute spell before halftime and that's about it. Germany should have been 3 or 4 goals up at that stage and sure they stopped playing after the 4th one went in, bringing 3 subs on at the same time.

[Locke.]

I'm scared to go on twitter because I know I'll end up wanting to kill some of the people I'm following.

[King Gizzard]

Yes, it would have - Germany were better than you at everything today. You had a ten minute spell before halftime and that's about it. Germany should have been 3 or 4 goals up at that stage and sure they stopped playing after the 4th one went in, bringing 3 subs on at the same time.

Their goals were all counter attacks at the end, if it was 2-2, we wouldn't have had all our players up the other side of the pitch and it wouldn't of been so easy for them

[Nemo123]

Yes, it would have - Germany were better than you at everything today. You had a ten minute spell before halftime and that's about it. Germany should have been 3 or 4 goals up at that stage and sure they stopped playing after the 4th one went in, bringing 3 subs on at the same time.

think they wanted to keep something in the tank for Argentina

[Iceman]

I'm scared to go on twitter because I know I'll end up wanting to kill some of the people I'm following.

wouldnt go near mine for a day or two.....or laurens.....actually yeah id stay off for a bit LOL

[setanta]

Their goals were all counter attacks at the end, if it was 2-2, we wouldn't have had all our players up the other side of the pitch and it wouldn't of been so easy for them

They were opening you up at will prior to your first goal. It could have been a cricket score, seriously. They just got shakey when you scored against the run of play, that's all.

And anyway, you didn't have to push so many players up at 2-1. It was crazy and you were punished by the better team. Your defence was hopeless and they outplayed you, very simple really.

[Wildcat!]

Definetly Setanta and thats what most England fans are saying:).

It is worrying in terms of the ages the players will be at the time of the next WC and the talent that is coming through at the moment..

England actually needs to move on from this generation! I have said it time and time again. THey are the most over rated team in the world. Yeah, they are solid, but they dont have real playmakers. They dont have great players that are naturally talented. The team is a bunch of military style players who follow instructions. They dont have a Messi, a David Villa, a Ronaldinho etc....
YOu need some flair to win the WC!

The think is the same players have been selected in the national team for a very long time now. None of the young players are given a chance. They dumped THeo Walcott, one of the rare players who play with freedom. The ones that they actually ahve in this team, didnt get to play much. Aaron Lennon started one game, and then was dumped. Same for SWP. Guys like Jenas. Joe Cole is another one, needed to play a lot more. And th3y have a l0t more good young players, but they arent given a chance.

Look at Germany. Thjey made it to the semis last WC, but this team has a bunch of new players. Yet look at them Same for most ofd the big teams.
YOu need to move on from the Lampard, Ashley cole, John terry etc.....

[GiRTh]

Agree with Nate. The disallowed goal was huge. In the end Germany won easily but the non-goal swung the game in their favour. After that England still had to chase the game opening up massive holes at the back.

[bbfan1991]

think they wanted to keep something in the tank for Argentina

I wouldn't rule out Mexico just yet:).. although we all know what Argentina can do with Messi and co at their best.

[Nemo123]

Capello never managed a national team before. Should have got Trap - cheaper too.

[Wildcat!]

Their goals were all counter attacks at the end, if it was 2-2, we wouldn't have had all our players up the other side of the pitch and it wouldn't of been so easy for them

2-1 at hALFTIME, is not a desperate score dude. And England dont have the players to go all out like that. If they opened massive holes at 2-1, its their fault. They shouldve continued to play the same, but I think they still wouldve lost at 2-2. NOt as big, but they woudlve lost anyways!

[setanta]

Agree with Nate. The disallowed goal was huge. In the end Germany won easily but the non-goal swung the game in their favour. After that England still had to chase the game opening up massive holes at the back.

You still didn't perform, forget about the goal. You were rubbish and they were able to open you up with precise passing. Don't be making excuses for a terrible performance. Sure the lads on BBC even called it abysmal.

[Jase]

Surprisingly I'm already over it ;s

Same

[bbfan1991]

We're hyped up too much and we know that there will always be disappointment.. the players simply have too much pressure and not coming up with the goods:nono:.

[alc09]

Deserved defeat.

Any side with the likes of Glen Johnson, Matthew Upson, Gareth Barry and Emile Heskey in it is never going to win a world cup.

Only player to come out of this with any credit is Ashley Cole, and maybe Dvaid James.

I never expected us to progress any further to start with, to be honest. Don't feel anything for those wankers.

[Locke.]

You still didn't perform, forget about the goal. You were rubbish and they were able to open you up with precise passing. Don't be making excuses for a terrible performance. Sure the lads on BBC even called it abysmal.

It was an awful performance, but that does not mean that if it was 2-2 at half time we would have still lost. Anything could have happened. Sure, there's obviously still the chance we would have lost, but there's a better chance of us winning at 2-2 then at 2-1 for obvious reasons. We wouldn't have been throwing everyone forward as much as we did, the players would have been less pissed off about having a clear goal dissallowed, and the half time talk woulda been completely different.

You're saying that we would have definitely lost no matter what, well a similar thing happened to your precious Ireland a few months ago. Would they still have definitely lost if Henry didn't handle the ball into the back of the net? No. Same thing here.

[Iceman]

It was an awful performance, but that does not mean that if it was 2-2 at half time we would have still lost. Anything could have happened. Sure, there's obviously still the chance we would have lost, but there's a better chance of us winning at 2-2 then at 2-1 for obvious reasons. We wouldn't have been throwing everyone forward as much as we did, the players would have been less pissed off about having a clear goal dissallowed, and the half time talk woulda been completely different.

You're saying that we would have definitely lost no matter what, well a similar thing happened to your precious Ireland a few months ago. Would they still have definitely lost if Henry didn't handle the ball into the back of the net? No. Same thing here.

so by your reckoning i can go and rip the piss out of England now?? because i do remember that happeneing when Henry handled the ball......

[Nemo123]

There is a strong case for amateurism. Do athletes perform any less bad for getting paid not very much? Rugby players? North Koreans?

No!

Give the manager's job to the best candidate who will do it for expenses only.

[setanta]

It was an awful performance, but that does not mean that if it was 2-2 at half time we would have still lost. Anything could have happened. Sure, there's obviously still the chance we would have lost, but there's a better chance of us winning at 2-2 then at 2-1 for obvious reasons. We wouldn't have been throwing everyone forward as much as we did, the players would have been less pissed off about having a clear goal dissallowed, and the half time talk woulda been completely different.

You're saying that we would have definitely lost no matter what, well a similar thing happened to your precious Ireland a few months ago. Would they still have definitely lost if Henry didn't handle the ball into the back of the net? No. Same thing here.

The best team got through, that's the reality here. They were opening you up at 0-0 nevermind 2-1, and that wouldn't have changed at 2-2. They thoroughly deserved their win.

The difference with the handball with Henry was the fact that we were outplaying the French, whereas you should have been about four goals down at that point. I don't see the point in making excuses for how badly you played out there.

[Locke.]

so by your reckoning i can go and rip the piss out of England now?? because i do remember that happeneing when Henry handled the ball......

Well you just said that you already have been on twitter... But yeah, we expect it anyway. Setanta's been doing it for weeks.

[Wildcat!]

Dont use the Ireland argument David,. BEcause what we use to tell the Irish fans is, if the goal wasnt allowed, you probably still woudlve lost.
SO if you use that logic, then we can say England probably still wouldve lost!


Anyways, I think Germanys system was a lot better. ANd it seems the England players, plaing so many games in the season, were more tired than the german. That germany team isnt great. Slovenia sucks, Algeria sucks, so this is not that surprising!

[Iceman]

Well you just said that you already have been on twitter... But yeah, we expect it anyway. Setanta's been doing it for weeks.

no i havent actually...not as bad as most on there, yeah im having a laugh at it, nothing malicious or anything.....

[setanta]

Well you just said that you already have been on twitter... But yeah, we expect it anyway. Setanta's been doing it for weeks.

~Eh, is it wrong to criticize a team that have underperformed at a World Cup? That's not ripping the pi$$ out of your team... that's reality. Something is wrong in that England camp, big time.

[Nemo123]

The Germans prepare in the mind. That's Germans for you. They study and make notes of the opposition. Like Lehman with the penalties. It gives them the edge.

[InOne]

My wife said, "Maybe this mini-heatwave affected the England team"

Get back in the kitchen woman for ****s sake and let me mourn in peace.

[Locke.]

~Eh, is it wrong to criticize a team that have underperformed at a World Cup? That's not ripping the pi$$ out of your team... that's reality. Something is wrong in that England camp, big time.

I didn't say anything was wrong with it I said we expect it. And we deserve it. We're expected to go a lot further than the last 16 and with the players we've got we should be making the semi's easily. So having a laugh at the teams expense is expected.. I'm sure 85% of England fans will also be doing the same.

[MissKittyFantastico]

I'm over it too, we were shocking, the better team won, end of.

I'm actually more optimistic about the future than most, because some of the worst players on the pitch today were the oldest and supposedly 'most experienced' and any new manager coming in will HAVE to shake things up and make changes. There's plenty of young English talent in the PL that missed out this time, it's actually all pretty positive from where I'm sitting.

I actually feel the most for Becks out of the lot of them, if he had been playing and as captain I think he would have made a difference in the whole team's attitude.

[bbfan1991]

~Eh, is it wrong to criticize a team that have underperformed at a World Cup? That's not ripping the pi$$ out of your team... that's reality. Something is wrong in that England camp, big time.

True, theres too many big egos that need sorting out and the team is not simply clicking together whilst on international duty where as at club they are obviously surrounded by world class players and therefore are inspired to do much better:).

The players are capable no question in that, now we need to know whats gone wrong and if there can be a solution on how to change whether it's the system or the style of play etc in future.

[Wildcat!]

My wife said, "Maybe this mini-heatwave affected the England team"

Get back in the kitchen woman for ****s sake and let me mourn in peace.

:laugh: :laugh: :D
Good one!

[Locke.]

Anyway that's me done with caring about the World Cup for another 4 years. Just hope whatever team wins has a few Liverpool players in it.

... Back to hoping the mess at Anfield is sorted out now.

[InOne]

Ok, so England lose 4-1 to Germany, or, if you allow the disallowed goal, England lost 4-2. Of course there will be all of the media banging on about how if it was two all at half time, England might of come back stronger in the second half and that it could've changed the dynamic of the game etc etc, a kind've chaos theory rhetoric as it were, lasting for the next four years.

But.

Is anyone else impressed by the fact that the octopus was right?

[bbfan1991]

I'm over it too, we were shocking, the better team won, end of.

I'm actually more optimistic about the future than most, because some of the worst players on the pitch today were the oldest and supposedly 'most experienced' and any new manager coming in will HAVE to shake things up and make changes. There's plenty of young English talent in the PL that missed out this time, it's actually all pretty positive from where I'm sitting.

I actually feel the most for Becks out of the lot of them, if he had been playing and as captain I think he would have made a difference in the whole team's attitude.


I'm over it now too, at least this time we can't blame the WAG'S:laugh2:.


Now i've got more free time for Wrestling and BB:p.

[alc09]

I'm actually more optimistic about the future than most, because some of the worst players on the pitch today were the oldest and supposedly 'most experienced' and any new manager coming in will HAVE to shake things up and make changes. There's plenty of young English talent in the PL that missed out this time, it's actually all pretty positive from where I'm sitting.

That's the problem, there really isn't.

[Scarlett.]

Germany deserved to win, we've been playing **** since we landed in Africa

[InOne]

http://www.sickipedia.org/

We need to lighten up this thread ;)

[bbfan1991]

http://www.sickipedia.org/

We need to lighten up this thread ;)

Errr where is Pixie's legs?:bawling:.

[Iceman]

http://www.sickipedia.org/

We need to lighten up this thread ;)

site down for me.....

[InOne]

It must be going crazy lol

[Iceman]

id say so....anyway thats me done on the matter ill leave by saying hard luck and its a pity you underperformed..

[setanta]

The thing that shocked me the most today wasn't the disallowed goal, it was bringing on Heskey for Defoe. Heskey?!!

[GiRTh]

You still didn't perform, forget about the goal. You were rubbish and they were able to open you up with precise passing. Don't be making excuses for a terrible performance. Sure the lads on BBC even called it abysmal.It was poor but that one incident turned the match. You admit England were the better team after their first goal and if the 2nd goal had counted it may have been different.

After Half-Time the German tactics were spot on ie to sit back and hit England on the break but would they have been able to do that if it was 2 - 2?

[bbfan1991]

The thing that shocked me the most today wasn't the disallowed goal, it was bringing on Heskey for Defoe. Heskey?!!

I know yeah it should have been Crouch that came on. Milner had a decent match and I do like Joe Cole but was puzzled by that subsitution also:conf:.

[setanta]

I know yeah it should have been Crouch that came on. Milner had a decent match and I do like Joe Cole but was puzzled by that subsitution also:conf:.

I'd have taken off Gerrard for Cole. He had a terrible match, but sure there was quite a few who weren't at the races today. But Heskey? Are you having a laugh?!

[GiRTh]

England actually needs to move on from this generation! I have said it time and time again. THey are the most over rated team in the world. Yeah, they are solid, but they dont have real playmakers. They dont have great players that are naturally talented. The team is a bunch of military style players who follow instructions. They dont have a Messi, a David Villa, a Ronaldinho etc....
YOu need some flair to win the WC!

The think is the same players have been selected in the national team for a very long time now. None of the young players are given a chance. They dumped THeo Walcott, one of the rare players who play with freedom. The ones that they actually ahve in this team, didnt get to play much. Aaron Lennon started one game, and then was dumped. Same for SWP. Guys like Jenas. Joe Cole is another one, needed to play a lot more. And th3y have a l0t more good young players, but they arent given a chance.

Look at Germany. Thjey made it to the semis last WC, but this team has a bunch of new players. Yet look at them Same for most ofd the big teams.
YOu need to move on from the Lampard, Ashley cole, John terry etc.....I don't fullly agree. If you were to list the top 20 players in the world probably five or six English players would have to be in your mind for that list. And these players play for top teams with top managers who win at the highest level. I don't think Sir Alex Ferguson, Carlo Ancelotti, Jose Mourinho or Arsene Wenger would play these guys if they couldn't play. I think though something is fundamentally wrong. It reminds me of the NBA and how the USA always under perform at Olympics and world championships even though they have by far the best squads. Its baffling but I don't think turning you back on this bunch of players is the answer but I admit there is something fundamentally wrong,

[setanta]

It was poor but that one incident turned the match. You admit England were the better team after their first goal and if the 2nd goal had counted it may have been different.

After Half-Time the German tactics were spot on ie to sit back and hit England on the break but would they have been able to do that if it was 2 - 2?

There's always a spell like that after you concede a goal, especially when you've been totally in control of the match. It should have been 3 or 4 nil at that stage and they were just a bit rattled, that's all. It would have been same song second verse after halftime. They were far better than you... simple.

Yes, Germany's tactic were sound but England were all over the shop. They would have been all over the shop at 2-2 as well. Remember, Germany had been carving you up from the first whistle. Nothing would have changed that.

[Nemo123]

Terry isn't even the best defender at Chelsea, that's Alex. And Liverpool have been lost since Alonso left. Bar Rooney, there's no-one in the England squad who'd make a WC 11, and he was very very poor.

[Big Brother Fan]

From sikipedia

Africans finally have the chance to tell the English to go back to their own ****ing country!

haha

[GiRTh]

There's always a spell like that after you concede a goal, especially when you've been totally in control of the match. It should have been 3 or 4 nil at that stage and they were just a bit rattled, that's all. It would have been same song second verse after halftime. They were far better than you... simple.

Yes, Germany's tactic were sound but England were all over the shop. They would have been all over the shop at 2-2 as well. Remember, Germany had been carving you up from the first whistle. Nothing would have changed that.For large spells of the game England were just as good,. The first two goals were down to woeful defending but on the balance of play Germany were not really on top. We see teams outplayed every week but end up drawing level and then going on to win. It may well have happened here.

[alc09]

Terry isn't even the best defender at Chelsea, that's Alex. And Liverpool have been lost since Alonso left. Bar Rooney, there's no-one in the England squad who'd make a WC 11, and he was very very poor.
I'm not even sure if Rooney would make a WC11 to be honest..

And to the person who said 5 England players would be in the top 20 players around, stop talking ****e.

[setanta]

For large spells of the game England were just as good,. The first two goals were down to woeful defending but on the balance of play Germany were not really on top. We see teams outplayed every week but end up drawing level and then going on to win. It may well have happened here.

Large parts? 10 mins before the break and about 5 after. That's not large spells. You were shocking and the better team won.

Germany were totally on top of you prior to your first goal. How can you say that? They were dominating possession and had so many chances. I honestly though it was going to be 4 or 5 nil at that stage. You goal was totally out of the blue.

[alc09]

Girth, take the blinkers off.

[bbfan1991]

I don't think Rooney has still got over that injury, he's had a disappointing WC, at least he's given a contribution despite the mess of our campaign.. better than nothing:rolleyes:.

[Nemo123]

I'm not even sure if Rooney would make a WC11 to be honest..

And to the person who said 5 England players would be in the top 20 players around, stop talking ****e.

Maybe this lot is the Nintendo generation. Lost forever to football.

[GiRTh]

Large parts? 10 mins before the break and about 5 after. That's not large spells. You were shocking and the better team won.

Germany were totally on top of you prior to your first goal. How can you say that? They were dominating possession and had so many chances. I honestly though it was going to be 4 or 5 nil at that stage. You goal was totally out of the blue.In the midfield England were as good as Germany. The German defenders were just as slow but some how the strikers couldn't capitalise. With different tactics and a couple of more attacking substitutions things could have been different.

[alc09]

In the midfield England were as good as Germany. The German defenders were just as slow but some how the strikers couldn't capitalise. With different tactics and a couple of more attacking substitutions things could have been different.
:joker:

I haven't seen midfield so overrun for a very long time.

What match were you watching?

[setanta]

In the midfield England were as good as Germany. The German defenders were just as slow but some how the strikers couldn't capitalise. With different tactics and a couple of more attacking substitutions things could have been different.

I can't be having this conversation with you anymore, I'm sorry Girth. If you thought you were as good as them in midfield then you've left me speechless really.

[GiRTh]

I can't be having this conversation with you anymore, I'm sorry Girth. If you thought you were as good as them in midfield then you've left me speechless really.I wasnt as good as them cuz I wasnt playing but the team were still in that game up to Germany scoring the third goal.:spin:

[setanta]

I wasnt as good as them cuz I wasnt playing but the team were still in that game up to Germany scoring the third goal.

Of course they were still in the game because there was only one goal in it but your were terrible in midfield and never looked like getting behind them. Germany always had another goal in them because they can pass quickly and could carve up your defence. That's the difference. You lot were taking pops from miles out or going for "Hollywood" passes, as Lawrenson said. No creativity. So no, you were nowhere near them in terms of play.

[Nemo123]

I had 1-0 England as a prediction, but affter 5 mins I knew that was wrong. Couldn't tell what way it would go for spells, so England can't have been all bad.

[Angus]

Large parts? 10 mins before the break and about 5 after. That's not large spells. You were shocking and the better team won.

Germany were totally on top of you prior to your first goal. How can you say that? They were dominating possession and had so many chances. I honestly though it was going to be 4 or 5 nil at that stage. You goal was totally out of the blue.

Have to agree, absolutely. The best team won - England were sh*t.

2 goals in four matches! Shocking performances. Hope we DON'T ever get to host the World Cup till we can get a decent team together - how embarrassing would it be to be obliterated on our own turf!

[bbfan1991]

Have to agree, absolutely. The best team won - England were sh*t.

2 goals in four matches! Shocking performances. Hope we DON'T ever get to host the World Cup till we can get a decent team together - how embarrassing would it be to be obliterated on our own turf!

Going OT I didn't think you liked football LOL:).

[Locke.]

Large parts? 10 mins before the break and about 5 after. That's not large spells. You were shocking and the better team won.

Germany were totally on top of you prior to your first goal. How can you say that? They were dominating possession and had so many chances. I honestly though it was going to be 4 or 5 nil at that stage. You goal was totally out of the blue.

At the end of the first half England had 55% and Germany 45%. At the end of the second half England 51% Germany 49%.

Attempts on target: England - 11. Germany - 9.

Attempts off target: England - 6. Germany - 6.

We had more of the ball, Germany just made use of it when they had it.

[GiRTh]

Of course they were still in the game because there was only one goal in it but your were terrible in midfield and never looked like getting behind them. Germany always had another goal in them because they can pass quickly and could carve up your defence. That's the difference. You lot were taking pops from miles out or going for "Hollywood" passes, as Lawrenson said. No creativity. So no, you were nowhere near them in terms of play.I mentioned something earlier about changing the tactics and making bolder substitutions. I kind of agree with you but I dont think that match was a one sided as the score suggested if there had been more adventure from the manager. The players were, for once, playing with a bit of desire but the Germans tactics were spot on and thus England were frustrated in the final third. I dont really blame the players all that much. Fabio's tactics were far too rigid.

[setanta]

At the end of the first half England had 55% and Germany 45%. At the end of the second half England 51% Germany 49%.

Attempts on target: England - 11. Germany - 9.

Attempts off target: England - 6. Germany - 6.

We had more of the ball, Germany just made use of it when they had it.

Yes, you were taking shots on from 25 yards out cuz you didn't have the discipline or creativity to actually get behind them. More of the ball means nothing really if you're knocking it about at the back and then hoofing it upfield. Germany were sharper and more precise with their passing. By far the better team which is amazing when you consider the players England have.

[setanta]

I mentioned something earlier about changing the tactics and making bolder substitutions. I kind of agree with you but I dont think that match was a one sided as the score suggested if there had been more adventure from the manager. The players were, for once, playing with a bit of desire but the Germans tactics were spot on and thus England were frustrated in the final third. I dont really blame the players all that much. Fabio's tactics were far too rigid.

Nah Girth, they were a shambles today, really. It was a really poor performance and I'm still scratching my head over it. How can a team with so many good players be so awful? What happened over the last few months with them?

[Locke.]

Yes, you were taking shots on from 25 yards out cuz you didn't have the discipline or creativity to actually get behind them. More of the ball means nothing really if you're knocking it about at the back and then hoofing it upfield. Germany were sharper and more precise with their passing. By far the better team which is amazing when you consider the players England have.

And what happened when we were shooting from far out? We were scoring and hitting the bar. Though I don't think either of them 2 shots from Lampard count as on target, because the keeper has to save them/it has to be a goal to count as on target.

[GiRTh]

Nah Girth, they were a shambles today, really. It was a really poor performance and I'm still scratching my head over it. How can a team with so many good players be so awful? What happened over the last few months with them?In another post I compared it to Team USA consistently under performing at Olympic Basketball events yet having by far the best squad. I'm baffled why Gerrard and Lampard cant play together. They should be as potent as Iniesta and Xavi are for Spain

[setanta]

And what happened when we were shooting from far out? We were scoring and hitting the bar. Though I don't think either of them 2 shots from Lampard count as on target, because the keeper has to save them/it has to be a goal to count as on target.

It screams of desperation though. Why couldn't they play a bit of ball like the Germans? You have the players to do it, but for some reason they all underperformed. It's crazy really when you think about it. Rooney, Gerrard, Barry... all brutal. Something is going on there.

[Nemo123]

It's a real shame England won't be playing Argentina.

And I mean that most sincerely folks.

[setanta]

In another post I compared it to Team USA consistently under performing at Olympic Basketball events yet having by far the best squad. I'm baffled why Gerrard and Lampard cant play together. They should be as potent as Iniesta and Xavi are for Spain

I'll say something that'll probably get me killed here, but you honestly don't have a creative midfielder. I mean a guy who starts play up and sees the first pass, you know? Gerrard and Lampard like to play further up the field and latch on to those kinda passes, you know that way? Barry doesn't do it for me, and I still firmly believe that you can't have Gerrard and Lampard in the same team.

[Nemo123]

I'll say something that'll probably get me killed here, but you honestly don't have a creative midfielder. I mean a guy who starts play up and sees the first pass, you know? Gerrard and Lampard like to play further up the field and latch on to those kinda passes, you know that way? Barry doesn't do it for me, and I still firmly believe that you can't have Gerrard and Lampard in the same team.

Someone like Piqué of Spain I think is what's lacking. I'd play him in mf.

Since I saw him score for Barca a few months ago I've been a massive fan.

[Wildcat!]

I don't fullly agree. If you were to list the top 20 players in the world probably five or six English players would have to be in your mind for that list. And these players play for top teams with top managers who win at the highest level. I don't think Sir Alex Ferguson, Carlo Ancelotti, Jose Mourinho or Arsene Wenger would play these guys if they couldn't play. I think though something is fundamentally wrong. It reminds me of the NBA and how the USA always under perform at Olympics and world championships even though they have by far the best squads. Its baffling but I don't think turning you back on this bunch of players is the answer but I admit there is something fundamentally wrong,


I dont think so! Like I said, they are solid players, but its because they play with other amazing international stars, that make them look good. They are over rated. none of them can make somehting happen.. When the chips are down and you wnat someone to come through, they dont have anyone with that quality!

The NBA, not true, the US had underperformed once in the olympics, and lost I think it was 2004. But other than that, they always win. They won the last time, as well as the world championships. So you cant compare England to the US baskertball team. Thats not even close.

I still think that they need to get rid of that bunch, and look to the other young players. All the other big teams do that, but England insist on bringing in the same guys year in and year out! And they expectations are way too high, because they english fans think they should make it to the semis at least. Bottom line is, those players rent good enough, and the english dont have the desire to give the youngsters a chance. All the teams that stic to the past have underperformed. Italy, France. France has great young talented players, like Nasri, or Benzema, but they kept them out. As a result they suck.
Same for England/

[Locke.]

Capello just got it all wrong today.

The tactics were wrong. The formation was wrong. The team was wrong. The substitutions were so wrong.

[GiRTh]

I'll say something that'll probably get me killed here, but you honestly don't have a creative midfielder. I mean a guy who starts play up and sees the first pass, you know? Gerrard and Lampard like to play further up the field and latch on to those kinda passes, you know that way? Barry doesn't do it for me, and I still firmly believe that you can't have Gerrard and Lampard in the same team.They've been saying for years that with Gerrard and Lampard one should sit and the other go forward and work it out amongst themselves as to who does what and when. They're supposed to be world class players so why cant they organise themselves better on the pitch. Its baffling TBH. I compared them to Iniesta and Xavi. OK they both play for the same club team so can work on it for hours on the training ground and Xavi is slightly more defensive minded than Iniesta but still Gerrard and Lampard are still a massive problem. I think they both want to be the top man in midfield and neither wants to change the way they play at club level.

[setanta]

Someone like Piqué of Spain I think is what's lacking. I'd play him in mf.

Since I saw him score for Barca a few months ago I've been a massive fan.

Nah, somebody like Schweinsteiger or Alonso would do the job. Somebody strong and with the ability to dictate the rhythm of the game. Schweinsteiger was immense today. And then you have to couple a player like that with a more mobile, creative one, like Xavi or Fabregas. England are just not producing that type of player right now.

Oh, and why wasn't Parker selected? I'd have played him ahead of Barry any day of the week.

[setanta]

They've been saying for years that with Gerrard and Lampard one should sit and the other go forward and work it out amongst themselves as to who does what and when. They're supposed to be world class players so why cant they organise themselves better on the pitch. Its baffling TBH. I compared them to Iniesta and Xavi. OK they both play for the same club team so can work on it for hours on the training ground and Xavi is slightly more defensive minded than Iniesta but still Gerrard and Lampard are still a massive problem. I think they both want to be the top man in midfield and neither wants to change the way they play at club level.

You can't play them together, especially in a 4-4-2 system. Leaves your midfield totally open. God knows what Argentina would have done to it, you know that way?

[Wildcat!]

Girth, USA basketball at the olympics, since pros were allowed:

1992 : 1st
1996 : 1st
2000: 1st
2004: 3rd
2008: 1st

Yeah, they consistently underperformed alright! :)

[setanta]

The funniest is when the American baseball team is beaten in the Olympics.

[Nemo123]

Lampard and Gerard - too many goals in them, there has to be a price to pay. They don't defend well enough. One has to make way. If England had a McGrath or a Lawrenson to plug the mf...

(or a Piqué)

[Wildcat!]

They've been saying for years that with Gerrard and Lampard one should sit and the other go forward and work it out amongst themselves as to who does what and when. They're supposed to be world class players so why cant they organise themselves better on the pitch. Its baffling TBH. I compared them to Iniesta and Xavi. OK they both play for the same club team so can work on it for hours on the training ground and Xavi is slightly more defensive minded than Iniesta but still Gerrard and Lampard are still a massive problem. I think they both want to be the top man in midfield and neither wants to change the way they play at club level.

This is what I am saying, and thats were you England fans are deluded. You cant compare Iniesta and Xavi, To Lampard and Gerrard. The spanish pair, they make things happen, they play freeluyy, and with some flair. The 2 english players, are solid, but they are not great. Gerrard maybe can make things happen at times, but not always. To me, its not even close the talent level. ANd you guys always fail to see that!

[Wildcat!]

The funniest is when the American baseball team is beaten in the Olympics.

Thats not that big of a stretch, but they dont have baseball in the olympics. BUt what most people dont know, a lot of the great MLB players, are from the dominican republic, Cuba, Japan etc. Americans have a lot of good players, but there are teams that beat them in the world cup!

[Locke.]

Most the players play better for their club teams because they prefer playing for the club side to the international side. And I can't blame them, because I'd probably be the same.

[Nemo123]

ein zwei drei vier thumped!

that's a good one.

[setanta]

Thats not that big of a stretch, but they dont have baseball in the olympics. BUt what most people dont know, a lot of the great MLB players, are from the dominican republic, Cuba, Japan etc. Americans have a lot of good players, but there are teams that beat them in the world cup!

They do have baseball in the Olympics and the States have won it just the once. Cuba win it most of the time.

[Wildcat!]

Most the players play better for their club teams because they prefer playing for the club side to the international side. And I can't blame them, because I'd probably be the same.


Why the hell is that? I would definitely prefer to play for my national team. Look at the germas. Klose has scored more goals in this WC than he did for his club the whole season. The ghanaen players, same. A lot of them come off the bench in their clubs, but they over perform for their country. A guy like Appiah, who hasnt even played for his club, oplays great for Ghana. Some are even broughgt from retirement, like Roger Milla, but they get inspired by playing for their country!
If you are serious, and thats the attitude of English players, then that explains everything!

[GiRTh]

This is what I am saying, and thats were you England fans are deluded. You cant compare Iniesta and Xavi, To Lampard and Gerrard. The spanish pair, they make things happen, they play freeluyy, and with some flair. The 2 english players, are solid, but they are not great. Gerrard maybe can make things happen at times, but not always. To me, its not even close the talent level. ANd you guys always fail to see that!Actually I'm a Holland fan even though I'm English.

Gerrard and Lampard make things happen at club level and both are great players. Lampard has scored 20 goals for five straight seasons from midfield. He certainly makes things happen but when he plays at international level he cant hit a barn door with a banjo.

Gerrard is one of the most influential midfielders in Europe and if he became available for transfer most of the big Euro clubs would break the bank to get him.

[Wildcat!]

They do have baseball in the Olympics and the States have won it just the once. Cuba win it most of the time.

Really? I thought they had stop it! BUt anyways, thats the thing, the US doesnt have the best basebvall players in the world. They are usually Latin players, or asians. SO its not really a big surprise. CUba got great players.

[Nemo123]

Looking at the coin toss on the pitch made me think of the Scottish for some reason.

[Locke.]

Why the hell is that? I would definitely prefer to play for my national team. Look at the germas. Klose has scored more goals in this WC than he did for his club the whole season. The ghanaen players, same. A lot of them come off the bench in their clubs, but they over perform for their country. A guy like Appiah, who hasnt even played for his club, oplays great for Ghana. Some are even broughgt from retirement, like Roger Milla, but they get inspired by playing for their country!
If you are serious, and thats the attitude of English players, then that explains everything!

I know that Carragher said in his autobiography that it hurts him more when Liverpool lose than when England do, and I agree with that. I think that's why he retired from International football first time around.

And i'm not sure why it is really, when it comes down to international football I don't really care that much, this is the first world cup where I've really got behind England.

[Wildcat!]

Actually I'm a Holland fan even though I'm English.

Gerrard and Lampard make things happen at club level and both are great players. Lampard has scored 20 goals for five straight seasons from midfield. He certainly makes things happen but when he plays at international level he cant hit a barn door with a banjo.

Gerrard is one of the most influential midfielders in Europe and if he became available for transfer most of the big Euro clubs would break the bank to get him.


Because he plays alongside Drogba, Essien, Anelka, etc, etc, etc.....

Thats why he gets to roam around and get free shots. The others get a lopt of attention from the defense. Same goes for Rooney, Gerrard, etc.... But on the international level, it shows, how average they are. Better than average, but they are not great"!

I said Gerrard is pretty good, but if he goes to other european clubs he will suffer. Why do you think most English players dont do well outside of the premier leaugue. Actually, aside from David Beckham, there is not one English player, in the top european teams, outside of England. That should tell you something. David Beckham wasnt as goods as he was after he left man U! Same thing would happen to gerrard, or any of those english stars!

[Wildcat!]

I know that Carragher said in his autobiography that it hurts him more when Liverpool lose than when England do, and I agree with that. I think that's why he retired from International football first time around.

And i'm not sure why it is really, when it comes down to international football I don't really care that much, this is the first world cup where I've really got behind England.

Well there you go! Thats the root of your problem!

[setanta]

Because he plays alongside Drogba, Essien, Anelka, etc, etc, etc.....

Thats why he gets to roam around and get free shots. The others get a lopt of attention from the defense. Same goes for Rooney, Gerrard, etc.... But on the international level, it shows, how average they are. Better than average, but they are not great"!

Yep, you're right there Wildcat. I rate the two of them very highly, but they can't dominate a game like other midfielders, plus I don't really class them as midfielders in the strictest sense.

[Nemo123]

Yep, you're right there Wildcat. I rate the two of them very highly, but they can't dominate a game like other midfielders, plus I don't really class them as midfielders in the strictest sense.

Nah, they're not are they. Certainly no David Battys.

[Locke.]

If Gerrard was played in the same role he plays at Liverpool, just behind the striker(s), then we would have seen a different side to him. Playing him on the left was a pathetic decision.

[Wildcat!]

If Gerrard was played in the same role he plays at Liverpool, just behind the striker(s), then we would have seen a different side to him. Playing him on the left was a pathetic decision.

Have you seen where David Villa plays? COmletely out of position, on the left I think. Does it matter? NO. He gets on with it. Not everyone can play their club roles.
Thats the reason why I say the english players are like robots. They only know how to play one way, that they learned all their lives. They dont yhave the ability to adapt. Thats the creativity thing I was talking about. The creATIVE, FREE ROAMING PLAYERS, arent selected ever by your managers!

[setanta]

If Gerrard was played in the same role he plays at Liverpool, just behind the striker(s), then we would have seen a different side to him. Playing him on the left was a pathetic decision.

He has to play there. It's fairly obvious to us all, right? But apparently it hasn't always worked when England have tried it before.

[Locke.]

Have you seen where David Villa plays? COmletely out of position, on the left I think. Does it matter? NO. He gets on with it. Not everyone can play their club roles.
Thats the reason why I say the english players are like robots. They only know how to play one way, that they learned all their lives. They dont yhave the ability to adapt. Thats the creativity thing I was talking about. The creATIVE, FREE ROAMING PLAYERS, arent selected ever by your managers!

I thought Villa played up front with Torres?

[Wildcat!]

Just hear the argentina mEXICO GAME, THE COMMENTATOr say, only 5 players from each side, played last WC. Meaning each team got 6 new players. Thats the problem with England, they always bring back the same ol boring players!

[Nemo123]

The FA will have to limit the number of foreigners to 2 or 3 like they use to.

[GiRTh]

Because he plays alongside Drogba, Essien, Anelka, etc, etc, etc.....
Thats why he gets to roam around and get free shots. The others get a lopt of attention from the defense. Same goes for Rooney, Gerrard, etc.... But on the international level, it shows, how average they are. Better than average, but they are not great"!

I said Gerrard is pretty good, but if he goes to other european clubs he will suffer. Why do you think most English players dont do well outside of the premier leaugue. David Becckham wasnt as goos as he was after he left man U! Same thing would happen to gerrard, or any of those english stars!

If Lampard didn't have the ability to strike the ball so well from 20 yards then he wouldn't score the goals. I dont see you argument. Its like saying that a striker only scores so often because he gets lots of chance. Yes, but he still has to hit the target and score the goal. Lampard is one of the most clinical players from around 20 yards and just about any team in the world would love to have a player was capable of doing what he does as often as he does.

You can only speculate on how well Gerrard would do but the truth is most of the top managers would trade just about any player they have and swap him with Gerrard.

[Locke.]

He has to play there. It's fairly obvious to us all, right? But apparently it hasn't always worked when England have tried it before.

It never works. Maybe it worked against Slovenia, I don't know because I didn't see that game, but whenever I've seen him play on the left it hasn't worked.

At Liverpool he mainly plays just off of Torres, but can also play in the center of midfield or on the right. I've never seen him played on the left for us.

Rooney should have been dropped from the squad after the first 3 games, and Gerrard should have been moved to play just off of Defoe, with either Joe Cole playing on the left.

[Nemo123]

If the likes of Chelsea had to buy domestic players only that could only be good for the national side.

[GiRTh]

Just hear the argentina mEXICO GAME, THE COMMENTATOr say, only 5 players from each side, played last WC. Meaning each team got 6 new players. Thats the problem with England, they always bring back the same ol boring players!
Young teams hardly ever win the World cup. Look at the last few winners the average age was about 28 or 29.

[Wildcat!]

I thought Villa played up front with Torres?

Spain star David Villa will happily play out of position if it secures him a starting role at the World Cup.

Coach Vicente del Bosque has two star strikers in 28-year-old Villa and Liverpool’s Fernando Torres, but could opt to play with only one man up front.

And Villa, who left Valencia for Barcelona last month, said: “If I play alone up front, then I tend to play central.

“But if there is another striker, I don’t mind shifting to one win.”


Link

http://www.world-cup-news.com/category/Spain-World-Cup-News/Spain-star-David-Villa-happy-to-play-out-of-position-for-World-Cup-start-201006030022/


See, no excuses. A footballer is a footballer! English players have to play one position or they are lost. Same with Rooney! I sactually think lampard is more adaptable than the rest.

[Nemo123]

The top 4 in England are absolutely saturated with foreign players. I think it's probably worse than anywhere else.

[Wildcat!]

Young teams hardly ever win the World cup. Look at the last few winners the average age was about 28 or 29.

Its not a matter of young. Its a matter of, I have seen these guys ewhat they can do, in 2 world cup, they ahvent gotten it done. Lets get some other players. Thats whaT MOST teams do. If you dont, usually, you will do more of the same. Especially with players that have reach their potential. They arent gonna get any better.

[GiRTh]

Girth, USA basketball at the olympics, since pros were allowed:

1992 : 1st
1996 : 1st
2000: 1st
2004: 3rd
2008: 1st

Yeah, they consistently underperformed alright! :)there were a number of years where they under performed in major tournaments.

From the Wiki page
However, American dominance has lessened in recent years. Facing increased competition, the USA failed to win a medal at the 2002 World Championship, finishing sixth. The 2004 Summer Olympic team lost three games on its way to a bronze medal, a record that represented more losses in a single year than the country's Olympic teams had suffered in all previous Olympiads combined.

[Wildcat!]

If Lampard didn't have the ability to strike the ball so well from 20 yards then he wouldn't score the goals. I dont see you argument. Its like saying that a striker only scores so often because he gets lots of chance. Yes, but he still has to hit the target and score the goal. Lampard is one of the most clinical players from around 20 yards and just about any team in the world would love to have a player was capable of doing what he does as often as he does.

You can only speculate on how well Gerrard would do but the truth is most of the top managers would trade just about any player they have and swap him with Gerrard.

Yeah OK! Keep telling yourself that!

[GiRTh]

Yeah OK! Keep telling yourself that!20 goals a season says it for me.

[Wildcat!]

Argentina baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nemo123]

Argentina baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mile offside

[Locke.]

Spain star David Villa will happily play out of position if it secures him a starting role at the World Cup.

Coach Vicente del Bosque has two star strikers in 28-year-old Villa and Liverpool’s Fernando Torres, but could opt to play with only one man up front.

And Villa, who left Valencia for Barcelona last month, said: “If I play alone up front, then I tend to play central.

“But if there is another striker, I don’t mind shifting to one win.”


Link

http://www.world-cup-news.com/category/Spain-World-Cup-News/Spain-star-David-Villa-happy-to-play-out-of-position-for-World-Cup-start-201006030022/


See, no excuses. A footballer is a footballer! English players have to play one position or they are lost. Same with Rooney! I sactually think lampard is more adaptable than the rest.

He started against Switzerland up front though because Torres didn't come on until late on in the game. And in the last game against Chile he played up front with Torres. Not sure about the Honduras game didn't watch it

[GiRTh]

They cant reverse it surely.

[Wildcat!]

20 goals a season says it for me.

Oh yeah!

Lampard 20 goals in the leaugue. 0 goals in the WC

Klose 3 goals in the league, 3 goals in the WC!

Good luck with that!

[GiRTh]

Oh yeah!

Lampard 20 goals in the leaugue. 0 goals in the WC

Klose 3 goals in the league, 3 goals in the WC!

Good luck with that!20 goals for five straight seasons. Get it right. Do you think he gets that many by accident?

[Wildcat!]

He started against Switzerland up front though because Torres didn't come on until late on in the game. And in the last game against Chile he played up front with Torres. Not sure about the Honduras game didn't watch it

His best game was against Honduras, and he played attacking Midfield, on the left.

[Wildcat!]

20 goals for five straight seasons. Get it right. Do you think he gets that many by accident?

And how many goals he scored last WC? Again, My point was, his team iat Chelsea, and the other players, are the reason he scores all those goals. At the WC, with the boring ass, unimaginative English teams, it all dissapears. SO the fact that he scores all those goals for chelsea, just proves my point"

[GiRTh]

And how many goals he scored last WC? Again, My point was, his team iat Chelsea, and the other players, are the reason he scores all those goals. At the WC, with the boring ass, unimaginative English teams, it all dissapears. SO the fact that he scores all those goals for chelsea, just proves my point"
I agree with that but 20 goals a season is damned impressive.

I take it you dont rate Lampard but the statistics say he's a damned fine player

[Wildcat!]

I agree with that.

Aned he only scored 20 + goals in the league last year! So I dont know what the hell youre talking about 5 years in a row!

[GiRTh]

Aned he only scored 20 + goals in the league last year! So I dont know what the hell youre talking about 5 years in a row!Frank Lampard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Lampard)

Check out the stats at the bottom. I said 20 goals in the season not the league.

[Wildcat!]

I agree with that but 20 goals a season is damned impressive.

I take it you dont rate Lampard but the statistics say he's a damned fine player

I rate him as a solid role player, for Chelse. NOthing more. And I dont see why he has the sole right on that spot for england, for so many years! I sont think he is that great. He is solid. Thats it!

[Wildcat!]

there were a number of years where they under performed in major tournaments.

From the Wiki page


Yeah, it was one year! All of that happened one year!!!! Out of 20. They ahve won every other olympics and Worlkd championships!

Why the hell am I even comparing them to the England team! :conf:

LOL!

[Wildcat!]

Frank Lampard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Lampard)

Check out the stats at the bottom. I said 20 goals in the season not the league.

LMAO! YOu just edited that!
whatever dude. nevermind!

Lampard is amazing, so are england!

[GiRTh]

Just noticed on that page that Lampard won European midfielder of the year in 2008. Not Xavi or Iniesta.

[GiRTh]

LMAO! YOu just edited that!
whatever dude. nevermind!

Lampard is amazing, so are england!Dont be ridiculous. Why would I edit the page. OK I'll get another source.

[Wildcat!]

Forget it dude! I believe you! Lampard is amazing!! Englands hope!#
I am gonna concentrate on the Match now!

[GiRTh]

Do what you want to do mate but here's another source.

Soccernet - Frank Lampard (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=8941&cc=5739)

It looks like he only scored 17 goals two years ago. My bad for believing Wiki, but never the less he got 20 goals in all the other seasons.

[setanta]

It never works. Maybe it worked against Slovenia, I don't know because I didn't see that game, but whenever I've seen him play on the left it hasn't worked.

At Liverpool he mainly plays just off of Torres, but can also play in the center of midfield or on the right. I've never seen him played on the left for us.

Rooney should have been dropped from the squad after the first 3 games, and Gerrard should have been moved to play just off of Defoe, with either Joe Cole playing on the left.

Yep, I'd have dropped Rooney and chucked Crouch and Defoe up front if you were to stick with 4-4-2. Oh, and Barry wouldn't have been played either. Parker should have been on that team, along with Carrick or Huddlestone.

Lampard and Gerrard can't play in a 4-4-2 formation.

[GiRTh]

Clive Tylsley - 'Its the same old story only worse'. LOL

[Drew.]

Round 2

[King Gizzard]

I remember this thread

[MTVN]

Let's try and get another 27 pages for this one then

[Brother Leon]

Not a country I hate more. ****ing stuff them.

[Kyle]

Good to see Westermann my Fifa 14 Hamburg captain getting some game time. Would like to have seen Adler start too.

[Drew.]

we need to be at least 5-0 up by the time Draxler comes on otherwise we are doomed

[King Gizzard]

I think this thread if I remember correctly was just like 20 pages or so of me and others arguing that England WOULD have gone on and won it, even if we were being outclassed by Germany

We so would have

[Kyle]

Germany have missed a trick here, they could have fielded a stronger team and wiped the floor with us leaving the media to lay into the team especially after Chile.

[MTVN]

Oh dear

[Drew.]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BY_WzuECMAAcdGg.jpg:large

[Brother Leon]

Would be 5-1 England by now with Welbez.

Pls confirm guys.

[MTVN]

Commentators being a bit optimistic really, barely created anything and sh*t defending to concede

[Chuck]

Would be 5-1 England by now with Welbez.

Pls confirm guys.

:joker: