Marios 'god was an alien' beliefs

[elliebrew]

Why are people holding Marios beliefs against him????

I rreally dont like him as a person but i love his mind, the ancient astronaught theory is a VERY interesting one.

Wether you belive it or not is down to you

While there may be a greater "God," the gods (plural, small "g," as described in virtually all ancient religious texts, including the original Old Testament of the Bible) who created life on Earth, were not this greater God. They were, in fact, alien beings who incrementally terraformed and populated the planet for their own reasons, later returning to Earth and, through a process of genetic manipulation, producing humans. These alien beings are responsible for the megalithic structures around the world, the impossibly rapid growth and advancement of Sumer, the first recognized "civilized" culture, the domestication of plants and animals, and the unexplainable flaws in human DNA. (We have, for example, over 4000 genetic disorders--vastly more than other "higher" primates).

DNA provides conclusive proof of what the Sumerians wrote 4000 years ago when they said that their down-to-earth "gods" created humans and domesticated plants and animals in "a house of fashioning" to "give the gods their ease." In other words, they genetically engineered the things they needed to make life for themselves as easy as possible on what had to be a distant and no doubt difficult outpost far from their home planet. This is now the core of Intervention Theory, and this is what will ultimately prevail against the three current leaders in the race to identify the truth about origins on our planet.

Jesus was an alien human hybrid.

The alien 'gabriel' told Mary she wud give birth to a special child. A cross breed between alien and homosapian.

The star that lured the wise men to bethlehem was an alien craft.

Jesus was persecuted for trying to bring
the truth about the origins of man to earth. The ascension was the alien civilisation returning to collect their experiment

All these encounters are recorded in artwork from sumeria that is over 6000 years old. Spaceships inthe sky, humanoids wearing space suits.

Such a great read

Ill prob get a load of stick for this but then again i know how immature this forum is these days

[Jase]

http://thelinuxcauldron.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/funny-pictures-black-l-cat-lol.jpg

[GypsyGoth]

Interesting but bonkers.

[elliebrew]

Interesting but bonkers.


Why bonkers?

Its bonkers to the logic youve been taught by the goverment schooling system.

Anything outside that logic is always laughed at and mocked.

But how do you know everything your taught is true. Its a truth that has been agreed upon.

[elliebrew]

Its also a million times more logical and plausible than 'god'

[elliebrew]

anyone else

[elliebrew]

to grown up a conversation eh??

[GypsyGoth]

Why bonkers?

Its bonkers to the logic youve been taught by the goverment schooling system.

Anything outside that logic is always laughed at and mocked.

But how do you know everything your taught is true. Its a truth that has been agreed upon.

Well I think why would these space aliens bother?

Especially when things evolve here, there is no need for external influences to help that along.

And just because old civilization made stuff, it doesn't have to be spacemen.

[cazzy555]

I think the idea of God being an alien makes more sense than any other belief system but I would need more evidence. It does however beg the question why would they terraform the planet then leave it alone for millions of years before producing humans, and why would they return to do the whole jesus thing and let everyone believe it was a god. surely a well advanced race would understand the destructive nature of creating a religion.

[elliebrew]

Well I think why would these space aliens bother?

Especially when things evolve here, there is no need for external influences to help that along.

And just because old civilization made stuff, it doesn't have to be spacemen.

You ask why woud they bother but then you see the ancient stone etchins and millions of images and drawings from thousands of years ago and it makes you think....they obviously did bother

How do YOU know things have evolved the way you have been told?

The ancient creation myths of gods who descend from the heavens to Earth to create or instruct humanity are actually representations of alien visitors, whose superior technology accounts for their reception as gods.

[elliebrew]

I think the idea of God being an alien makes more sense than any other belief system but I would need more evidence. It does however beg the question why would they terraform the planet then leave it alone for millions of years before producing humans, and why would they return to do the whole jesus thing and let everyone believe it was a god. surely a well advanced race would understand the destructive nature of creating a religion.

I dont believe the concept of religion had anything to do with it. I believe this 'jesus' character was merly a cross breed species, an experiment with genetics.

The human race obviously wasnt able to compehend the greater truth and thats why he was murdered

[Claymores]

Erik Von Daniken, come on down, the Price is Right

[GypsyGoth]

You ask why woud they bother but then you see the ancient stone etchins and millions of images and drawings from thousands of years ago and it makes you think....they obviously did bother

How do YOU know things have evolved the way you have been told?

The ancient creation myths of gods who descend from the heavens to Earth to create or instruct humanity are actually representations of alien visitors, whose superior technology accounts for their reception as gods.

I know things have evolved for various reasons. I've seen fossils that show how creatures have changed over time.

"ancient stone etchins and millions of images and drawings from thousands of years ago" could I have a link to one of these?

And just because you don't understand how it was made doesn't mean aliens did it.

Maybe you are trying to fit your idea of alien gods onto the world, rather that looking at the world and seeing it for what it is.

The belief in gods shows how little people knew back then and they thought gods made night and made it day.

Do you believe in these alien gods, as I don't really want to offend?

[vesavius]

Erik Von Daniken, come on down, the Price is Right

:joker:

Lord... it's been years since I read Chariots of the Gods.

[elliebrew]

Species obviously have evolved over time.

Im just questioning the evolvment of the homosapian.

Wether alien intervention is the missing link or not.

I still believe we had ancient visitors who were accepted as gods beause of advanced technology.

[GypsyGoth]

Species obviously have evolved over time.

Im just questioning the evolvment of the homosapian.

Wether alien intervention is the missing link or not.

I still believe we had ancient visitors who were accepted as gods beause of advanced technology.

I think it's just chance we're here, there are no aliens, or gods. It's just us.

[Colbert-Bump]

Beam me up Scotty.:rolleyes:

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[elliebrew]

I think it's just chance we're here, there are no aliens, or gods. It's just us.

You see i think thats incredibly arogant.

I saw something online tother day and it was a square millimeter of sky from a telescope. In that sq ml there were thousands of stars like our sun

To even comprehend that we are the only ones here is plain silly.

To doubt the millions of eye witnesses, the photographs and videos of encountrs is preposterous.

To deny the dozens of carvings and ancient art of et encounters in ancient cultures is also obsurd!!

Chance of course, but everyone needs good neighbours
Its in plain sight

No gods.

just beings more technologically advanced being worshipped as deities by ancient homosapian

[GypsyGoth]

You see i think thats incredibly arogant.

I saw something online tother day and it was a square millimeter of sky from a telescope. In that sq ml there were thousands of stars like our sun

To even comprehend that we are the only ones here is plain silly.

To doubt the millions of eye witnesses, the photographs and videos of encountrs is preposterous.

To deny the dozens of carvings and ancient art of et encounters in ancient cultures is also obsurd!!

Chance of course, but everyone needs good neighbours
Its in plain sight

No gods.

just beings more technologically advanced being worshipped as deities by ancient homosapian

Ok I'm sure there are other living things on other planets, but what I mean is that they have never been here. Why bother? This place is not that interesting.

There haven't been any witnesses really, there are just crazy people who make up stuff. And where are these carvings and ancient images?

[elliebrew]

Ok I'm sure there are other living things on other planets, but what I mean is that they have never been here. Why bother? This place is not that interesting.

There haven't been any witnesses really, there are just crazy people who make up stuff. And where are these carvings and ancient images?

Google ancient sumerian ufo's and look at the art,

I HATE the way witnesses are called crazy. You have no idea wether what they saw is true. You just dismiss it because your logic wont comprehend their version of events.

And why wouldnt they visit here?

Why arent we that interesting?

No one knows

[Claymores]

:joker:

Lord... it's been years since I read Chariots of the Gods.

Well - as a male, you had to have something to do while sitting on the throne, plus there was the bonus of free paper if ran out of toilet roll.

[elliebrew]

Well - as a male, you had to have something to do while sitting on the throne, plus there was the bonus of free paper if ran out of toilet roll.


such a cloudy closed mind....i pity you

[unusualpet]

Its also a million times more logical and plausible than 'god'

It really is - I'm getting on google later to find out more

[GypsyGoth]

Google ancient sumerian ufo's and look at the art,

I HATE the way witnesses are called crazy. You have no idea wether what they saw is true. You just dismiss it because your logic wont comprehend their version of events.

And why wouldnt they visit here?

Why arent we that interesting?

No one knows

Ok I googled the images, and I'm not convinced. It is just the way they drew or etched, it doesn't mean they were visited by aliens. And yep I do think ufo witnesses are crazy.

And the reason they wouldn't visit here, is because this world is an awful place, it's truly depressing. And no, people are not that interesting, we don't matter, and nothing we do in our lives matters.

[elliebrew]

Ok I googled the images, and I'm not convinced. It is just the way they drew or etched, it doesn't mean they were visited by aliens. And yep I do think ufo witnesses are crazy.

And the reason they wouldn't visit here, is because this world is an awful place, it's truly depressing. And no, people are not that interesting, we don't matter, and nothing we do in our lives matters.


In your opinion.

You have no clue howimportant or unimportant we are or interesting we are. Your just making a statement based on your opinion.

How can you not be convinced? That ludicrous. Its there in plain sight.

I hope youll be proved COMPLETELY wrong soon

[GypsyGoth]

In your opinion.

You have no clue howimportant or unimportant we are or interesting we are. Your just making a statement based on your opinion.

How can you not be convinced? That ludicrous. Its there in plain sight.

I hope youll be proved COMPLETELY wrong soon

Yes it's my opinion, who's else would it be?

And I'm never wrong, deal with it.

[elliebrew]

Yes it's my opinion, who's else would it be?

And I'm never wrong, deal with it.

VERY close minded

there's no end to how deep this whole ancient astronaut rabbit hole goes. they say, if this theory is true, then these aliens would have had technologies far beyond anything we could even imagine. supposedly, with these technologies, they've been able to control us in every way, for as long as the human race has been around. and one part of that technology is said to be mind control devices, which can even incite hallucinations...causing us to think we 'see' things, 'hear' things, and that there's some supernatural force around us. and those things keep us locked into the christian theory that's been provided as truth for us. so we wouldn't know the truth of who our creators really were

[GypsyGoth]

VERY close minded

there's no end to how deep this whole ancient astronaut rabbit hole goes. they say, if this theory is true, then these aliens would have had technologies far beyond anything we could even imagine. supposedly, with these technologies, they've been able to control us in every way, for as long as the human race has been around. and one part of that technology is said to be mind control devices, which can even incite hallucinations...causing us to think we 'see' things, 'hear' things, and that there's some supernatural force around us. and those things keep us locked into the christian theory that's been provided as truth for us. so we wouldn't know the truth of who our creators really were

I don't have a closed mind, you do! You only believe in this alien stuff and nothing else.

[Claymores]

Google ancient sumerian ufo's and look at the art,

I HATE the way witnesses are called crazy. You have no idea wether what they saw is true. You just dismiss it because your logic wont comprehend their version of events.

And why wouldnt they visit here?

Why arent we that interesting?

No one knows

Google Erik Von Daniken's "is this an airport of the gods?" And it does indeed look like a slipway/run-off like at Heathrow/Schipol/Franfurt, etc. But the when pulled-back, you realise that is actually a 19 foot square part if a spider's leg carved on a plain in the desert by Nastecas - even midget UFOs would hit the dirt/rubble

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

i definitely believe there is other intelligent life in the universe, but not sure whether i believe they have visited earth due to the vast distances involved and despite scientists theories saying possible, i cant get my head around wormholes and time travel theories so its impossible for them to get here

i dont believe "God" has ever spoken to anyone on Earth at all, its voices in the head every time. But, if the God myth IS true then I believe it is alien civilizations making contact.

If a news story broke tomorrow and the world was made aware of undeniable evidence of alien civilisations visiting us throughout history, this would be epic. I would feel completely different, it would be like the matrix :joker:

[Claymores]

Beam me up Scotty.:rolleyes:

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A long time ago in a galaxy far far away

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

also Roswell incident is well known and talked about

but i have always wondered 2 things about that

a) if the aliens are so advanced, how did they "crash" in the first place??? epic alien fail to get all that way and then crash :joker:

b) supposedly the massively long runways are for alien ships, but wouldnt alien ships take off vertically???

[Claymores]

i definitely believe there is other intelligent life in the universe, but not sure whether i believe they have visited earth due to the vast distances involved and despite scientists theories saying possible, i cant get my head around wormholes and time travel theories so its impossible for them to get here

i dont believe "God" has ever spoken to anyone on Earth at all, its voices in the head every time. But, if the God myth IS true then I believe it is alien civilizations making contact.

If a news story broke tomorrow and the world was made aware of undeniable evidence of alien civilisations visiting us throughout history, this would be epic. I would feel completely different, it would be like the matrix :joker:

God definitely speaks to Dave - I can't get that pissed without going to the off-licence so it must be true

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

God definitely speaks to Dave - I can't get that pissed without going to the off-licence so it must be true

when Dave says "I am so high right now on Gods love", "I have such a warm feeling in my belly" etc its his way of saying he has an erection and has got the horn

he is one of those nudist/swingers types in RL he is speaking in wizard code

[Claymores]

also Roswell incident is well known and talked about

but i have always wondered 2 things about that

a) if the aliens are so advanced, how did they "crash" in the first place??? epic alien fail to get all that way and then crash :joker:

b) supposedly the massively long runways are for alien ships, but wouldnt alien ships take off vertically???

Plus the Roswell slight problem of the secret military project to float balloons over the USSR to take spy photos - and that the pics clearly show bits of a high level balloon which is not 24th centurty type technology.

[cazzy555]

believing in life on other planets is completly different from believing they have visited us. I think it's entirely possible there is life out there but with out any hard evidence I don't believe they have been here.

I have even had an alien encounter and choose to believe it must have been in my head because there was no evidence of it the next day and no other witnesses. I have seen ghosts too and I don't believe in them either

my point is I can see no reason why aliens would visit us all these years without leaving some good evidence about it other than human experience. The human mind is very complex and will trick us easily.

[Claymores]

believing in life on other planets is completly different from believing they have visited us. I think it's entirely possible there is life out there but with out any hard evidence I don't believe they have been here.

I have even had an alien encounter and choose to believe it must have been in my head because there was no evidence of it the next day and no other witnesses. I have seen ghosts too and I don't believe in them either

my point is I can see no reason why aliens would visit us all these years without leaving some good evidence about it other than human experience. The human mind is very complex and will trick us easily.

I can go with that

If the universe is infinte, then it's infinitely impossible we're the only planet to have developed life

Aliens crashing in Roswel or coming to crash my next party is another matter!

[zukhov]

If aliens are aware of us and want to explore the planet the first thing the will do is send unmanned probes. No evidence of them but plenty of 'little green men' style encounters. Makes you think.

[Claymores]

If aliens are aware of us and want to explore the planet the first thing the will do is send unmanned probes. No evidence of them but plenty of 'little green men' style encounters. Makes you think.

Live long and prosper :joker:

which is what Ben should say to Marion

[billy123]

@elliebrew
http://www.openmindsforum.com/
dont judge a book by its cover you should know better but we all do it :)

[eviled2010]

I am always astonished by the willingness of some people to accept these outlandish theories without one iota of evidence.
These theories are put forward by unqualified quacks like Von Daniken (who by the way, has been thoroughly discredited) and accuse those scholars and scientists who have actually studied and worked in their fields of being frightened to accept idiotic notions and concepts.
None of their work has been peer reviewed. I suppose it could not be either as it goes against the scientific method. Instead of trying to find evidence that disproves their theories (as real scientists do) all they do is twist and invent "evidence" to fit in with their preconceived notions. They are the closed minded ones in that respect. They have already made up their minds and no end of counter evidence will make them change it. In that way, they are the same as the Creationists.
To pretend science is narrow minded and closed to such theories is to misunderstand how science works and the whole idea of submitting results and evidence to testing and peer review.

Quite frankly it is an insult to our ancient ancestors to attribute all of their great achievements to bloody aliens.

Anyone interested in this tom foolery should seek out Ronald Story's excellent book "The Space Gods Revealed". It is a tour de force in debunking this utter nonsense, written by a guy who actually understands the issues, has studied them and knows something about science and history.

[stoney]

is that not just your old fashioned basic scientology? the religion of choiv=ce for a good few celebs like tom cruise and john travolta?

[elliebrew]

I am always astonished by the willingness of some people to accept these outlandish theories without one iota of evidence.
These theories are put forward by unqualified quacks like Von Daniken (who by the way, has been thoroughly discredited) and accuse those scholars and scientists who have actually studied and worked in their fields of being frightened to accept idiotic notions and concepts.
None of their work has been peer reviewed. I suppose it could not be either as it goes against the scientific method. Instead of trying to find evidence that disproves their theories (as real scientists do) all they do is twist and invent "evidence" to fit in with their preconceived notions. They are the closed minded ones in that respect. They have already made up their minds and no end of counter evidence will make them change it. In that way, they are the same as the Creationists.
To pretend science is narrow minded and closed to such theories is to misunderstand how science works and the whole idea of submitting results and evidence to testing and peer review.

Quite frankly it is an insult to our ancient ancestors to attribute all of their great achievements to bloody aliens.

Anyone interested in this tom foolery should seek out Ronald Story's excellent book "The Space Gods Revealed". It is a tour de force in debunking this utter nonsense, written by a guy who actually understands the issues, has studied them and knows something about science and history.

No evidence???

There is a wealth of evidence right in front of you.

People like you arent going to be happy until one of them comes round for coffee.


Also to believe the **** that roiswell was a balloon is just ridiculous.

GUYS seriously

Google 'the disclosure project'

Its a not for profit scheme in which HUNDRED of EX government officials have sworn under oath that the american government has hidden the truth of ET visitation!!

Its all there.

The fact someone on here has had an ET experience and a ghost experience and chosen not to believe it still is astonishing. Why would you not believe your own eyes!

the trouble is when hard evidence such as pictures, videos, accounts are put in front of you the first thing you do is scream FAKE!

How in the hell r you ever gonna be convinced.

R you trying to tell me that al these millions of pictures and videos are fake and everyone who ever had aclose encounter is a liar.

To me that smacks of arrogance and is also ridiculous.

Skeptics will never be convinced! EVER!

Simply because their logic will never accept a parent would lie to a child (government lie to its people)

[BB_Eye]

In your opinion.

You have no clue howimportant or unimportant we are or interesting we are. Your just making a statement based on your opinion.

How can you not be convinced? That ludicrous. Its there in plain sight.

I hope youll be proved COMPLETELY wrong soon

It's all well and good calling other people narrow-minded, but you don't seem very open to the highly probable idea that it's a load of bullshine either.

[stonedape]

"Quite frankly it is an insult to our ancient ancestors to attribute all of their great achievements to bloody aliens."

:hello::hello::hello: I think most creation myths are insulting for the same reasons.

I started writing a novel on the topic but realized terms like "unfalsifiable hypothesis" "confirmation bias" would probably sound like Japanese. I blame education: specifically science and math. And people don't read enough non-fiction. And most people don't read at all.

[eviled2010]

Elliebrew, I believe that governments lie to people all the time. That is the nature of politics and a different question to the one about aliens having a significant input in the origin and history if the human race.

By the way, this is a subject I am very familiar with and as yet I have not seen one piece of convincing evidence that supports the idea of aliens as having been influential in our history.

I would like to ask what qualifications, expertise and research experience the propagators of these outlandish theories have and if any of their work has been peer reviewed by other experts in the fields of archeology, anthropology, ancient art, astronomy, or any of the other scientific or artistic disciplines.

You are the one making the claims, it is up to you to produce the evidence and just remember, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I don't mean this in a patronising way but you damn yourself out of your own mouth when you say "Why would you not believe your own eyes!"
Our eyes and brains often deceive us. Just take a look at some of the better known optical illusions used in psychological experiments. Our eyes are clearly not reliable in interpreting the world. Are you really so naive as to think that when you put a stick into water that part of the stick under the water actually bends? Our eyes tell us it does so you must believe it does, otherwise you must concede that our senses can deceive us and that my friend has drastic consequences for ghostly apparitions. They just might originate in us rather than the "spirit world".

As I say, I would be very interested to learn of the qualifications and expertise the people proposing these inanities have in the subjects they choose to pontificate about and at the same time disparage the real scholars who dedicate their lives to research and the pursuit of knowledge..

[Livia]

In your opinion.

You have no clue howimportant or unimportant we are or interesting we are. Your just making a statement based on your opinion.

How can you not be convinced? That ludicrous. Its there in plain sight.

I hope youll be proved COMPLETELY wrong soon

Your thoughts on this are interesting, and you're not alone in thinking them. And this explanation isn't any more ridiculous than any of the organised, patriarchal religions. No one knows for sure. Someone thinking that aliens wouldn't come here because Earth is such a horrible place hasn't seen some of the staggering beauty in the world or known the lengths some humans will go to in order to be kind.

[eviled2010]

"Quite frankly it is an insult to our ancient ancestors to attribute all of their great achievements to bloody aliens."

:hello::hello::hello: I think most creation myths are insulting for the same reasons.

I started writing a novel on the topic but realized terms like "unfalsifiable hypothesis" "confirmation bias" would probably sound like Japanese. I blame education: specifically science and math. And people don't read enough non-fiction. And most people don't read at all.

I like the sound of that novel stonedape, I hope you get back to it!
There are still some people out here who appreciate stuff that hasn't been dumbed down!

[eviled2010]

Your thoughts on this are interesting, and you're not alone in thinking them. And this explanation isn't any more ridiculous than any of the organised, patriarchal religions. No one knows for sure. Someone thinking that aliens wouldn't come here because Earth is such a horrible place hasn't seen some of the staggering beauty in the world or known the lengths some humans will go to in order to be kind.

I agree basically with that.
But, all we are asking for is evidence. Not a litany of anecdotes or half truths or inaccurate quotes from ancient texts and unqualified interpretations of ancient art.

[elliebrew]

what evidence would sufficethough?

some people cud never be convinced.


please go n watch the disclosure project....

[Livia]

"Quite frankly it is an insult to our ancient ancestors to attribute all of their great achievements to bloody aliens."

:hello::hello::hello: I think most creation myths are insulting for the same reasons.

I started writing a novel on the topic but realized terms like "unfalsifiable hypothesis" "confirmation bias" would probably sound like Japanese. I blame education: specifically science and math. And people don't read enough non-fiction. And most people don't read at all.

I think you're rather underestimating people. You said most people don't read enough "non-fiction", after saying you were "writing a novel" on the subject. Most people I know read all the time on a wide variety of subjects, and I've found that science - and astronomy in particular -has never been a more popular subject than it is right now.

[elliebrew]

I like that people are interested in the subject

[BB_Eye]

T7EEOMbBIO8

[Claymores]

I like that people are interested in the subject

live long and prosper ellie - May the 4th be with you.

[elliebrew]

You see i hate star trek and sci fi media

[big_bother]

It's a great theory, is there any website where you can read more on this?

I've often thought that this may be the fact with Dinosaurs. These same Aliens which created humans and 'life' actually created Dinosaurs first. To which they left them to roam for a long time before deciding they were actually a bad idea. So they destroyed them, and created the life we live with now.

I'm no crazy guy, or mass believer or anything, but i do find this kind of thing interesting.