What a humourless scroat he is...

[vesavius]

...when people are laughing at him rather then other way around.

His attack on JJ, whatever you think of JJ, was vicious and went straight for the personal simply because his silly pride was hurt. These moments where he loses his self control and the real Ben comes out are very telling imo.

It's good to openly see what nastiness lurks under that calm political front he maintains as a facade.... Wasnt quite the bumbling toff in all that... more like the arrogant elitist.

[emilslattery]

i know...but jj is the same

jj gets really annoyed when people say things about him but he has no propblem saying hurtful things to others

[MrWong]

I was thinking humourless turd but scroat will do.

Another example of him being humourless will be on tomorrows show when he makes the most pathetic, feeble attempt at a ToT task. Evah!

[King Gizzard]

...when people are laughing at him rather then other way around.

His attack on JJ, whatever you think of JJ, was vicious and went straight for the personal simply because his silly pride was hurt. These moments where he loses his self control and the real Ben comes out are very telling imo.

It's good to openly see what nastiness lurks under that calm political front he maintains as a facade.... Wasnt quite the bumbling toff in all that... more like the arrogant elitist.

I see the point where JJ said ''your lifes a joke'' far far far more vicious

[BB_Eye]

I didn't see much malice in it tbh.

[JustSkipIt]

I just thought it was really funny.

[Stacey.]

He never takes jokes about himself, but is prepared to laugh at other people and get personal.

I was laughing at him, because of how much of a twat he is. And laughing with John. He was proper funny again.

[Sabrewulf238]

I didn't see much malice in it either

[King Gizzard]

He never takes jokes about himself



And john does!?!?!

[Jords]

He has great humour which I think hes a bit unaware of, JJ is an utter bore when it comes to that.

[Cristina]

they are kind of doing the same thing. Although, JJ was in the wrong this time when he threw Ben out of his bed when he was sleeping. JJ seems to be one of those jokers that we always meet, the ones who take the mickey out of other people, but when its the opposite, they become offended and defensive....you know who you are

[King Gizzard]

I'm beginning to think most of the hate for him is secretly down to him being posh. He joins in the banter like everyone else, yet just because he's posh, it comes out wrong, and he makes it sound like its serious

[Stacey.]

And john does!?!?!

Nope, I guess not really.

[WOODYLASS]

I can be a right miserable tw*t when I've been woken up and if, after being woken up somebody was laughing at me, and going on like a dick I'd probably over react too!

[vesavius]

i know...but jj is the same

jj gets really annoyed when people say things about him but he has no propblem saying hurtful things to others

This thread isnt about JJ though, it's about Ben.

He really showed his inner snob colours in that little spat imo, it's great that we got to see him when his self control was weak and he wasnt pretending (for once).

It's obvious that he has been thinking all this about JJ for ages but just hasnt said it to the face of his so called 'friend'.

[vesavius]

I'm beginning to think most of the hate for him is secretly down to him being posh. He joins in the banter like everyone else, yet just because he's posh, it comes out wrong, and he makes it sound like its serious

No, I don't mind posh, but I hate arrogant elitism though which is what he showed to JJ today.

Your suggesting he wasnt serious in what he said?

[BB_Eye]

He's probably sick to death of JJ's inarticulate whining. Can't say I blame him.

[Cristina]

It's obvious that he has been thinking all this about JJ for ages but just hasnt said it to the face of his so called 'friend'.

don't be naive, they have all summed each other up long time ago. Now all it takes is a spark. Ben was thrown his own bed while being a sleep and then was made too feel guilty about his outburst. In Bens situation YOU would have behaved the same. So lets stop being hypocritical here...

[vesavius]

don't be naive, they have all summed each other up long time ago. Now all it takes is a spark. Ben was thrown his own bed while being a sleep and then was made too feel guilty about his outburst. In Bens situation YOU would have behaved the same. So lets stop being hypocritical here...

Don't be silly, you don't know anything about how I would have reacted :joker:

Made to feel guilty though? As he should be. His snotty prima donna tirade was just nasty tbh.

[flamingGalah!]

I'd probably have acted the same as Ben... And yes JJ's double standards yet again, he likes to give it but he can't take it (not in a sexual way)... :nono:

[vesavius]

I'd probably have acted the same as Ben... And yes JJ's double standards yet again, he likes to give it but he can't take it (not in a sexual way)... :nono:

People admitting here that they would have said the same things as Ben did suprise me tbh.

I get that people are saying that they would be narky being woken up like that, fine, but his sneering derision? You all really would have acted in the same way and said the same things?

Really? o.0

[vesavius]

I was thinking humourless turd but scroat will do.

Another example of him being humourless will be on tomorrows show when he makes the most pathetic, feeble attempt at a ToT task. Evah!

Ben is the give up king :joker:

What was even funnier was that they all turned him down saying 'no way bad idea', but were all then arm wrestling between themselves later on in the LF :joker:

[SoFarSoGood282]

I taught his little rant was very funny! :)

[flamingGalah!]

If I was asleep & got tipped out of a bed & then had people laughing in my face I probably wouldn't find it funny at first... I'd laugh about it later, but can you see JJ finding it funny if it happened to him?

I swear JJ isn't happy unless he has at least one argument about anything or anyone a day...

[vesavius]

If I was asleep & got tipped out of a bed & then had people laughing in my face I probably wouldn't find it funny at first... I'd laugh about it later, but can you see JJ finding it funny if it happened to him?

I swear JJ isn't happy unless he has at least one argument about anything or anyone a day...

Like I said, this isnt a thread about JJ, it's a thread about Ben.

No trying to deflect the conversation away from his obviously crap reaction please :nono:

[MrWong]

Humourless Ben has just accused the ToT task of bullying him.

Saying that his task is impossible..

..Coincidently, Ife's managed to get a game of arm wrestling going in the living area.

Maybe the poor little lamb could have coped better with the help of one of his sidekicks.

He's pretty useless at doing anything by himself.

[tintedshadow]

Don't be silly, you don't know anything about how I would have reacted :joker:

Made to feel guilty though? As he should be. His snotty prima donna tirade was just nasty tbh.

i see your point,ben didnt seem to take it well but in all honesty since ben knows as we do,that john james is quite happy to have a sly dig at another house mates expense,he should surely be expecting some of the same in return... like yesterday he started berating dave's belief's while he was reading the bible,dave took it all in and then had a little dig back at john and he seemed butthurt from then on...

in this instance,he started taking pop shots at ben,then when ben retaliated he didnt seem to like it too much..just as he didnt enjoy it when he had a go at josie,for picking fun at him,but he's okay to do belittle her? although having said that im still not too sure about ben,he spends alot of time with mario,then he's out with dave saying he's not that witty or smart.. guess its early days but i have a feeling he could get worst if he starts thinking he's popular..

[vesavius]

Humourless Ben has just accused the ToT task of bullying him.

Saying that his task is impossible..

..Coincidently, Ife's managed to get a game of arm wrestling going in the living area.

Maybe the poor little lamb could have coped better with the help of one of his sidekicks.

He's pretty useless at doing anything by himself.


:joker::joker::joker:

[vesavius]

i see your point,ben didnt seem to take it well but in all honesty since ben knows as we do,that john james is quite happy to have a sly dig at another house mates expense,he should surely be expecting some of the same in return... like yesterday he started berating dave's belief's while he was reading the bible,dave took it all in and then had a little dig back at john and he seemed butthurt from then on...

in this instance,he started taking pop shots at ben,then when ben retaliated he didnt seem to like it too much..just as he didnt enjoy it when he had a go at josie,for picking fun at him,but he's okay to do belittle her? although having said that im still not too sure about ben,he spends alot of time with mario,then he's out with dave saying he's not that witty or smart.. guess its early days but i have a feeling he could get worst if he starts thinking he's popular..

Why do all you Ben apologists just really say 'but JJ is as bad'?

It's like you all can't condone or justify his behaviour so you have to try to deflect the conversation away from him by talking about someone else.

I am not protecting JJ here, I am talking about Ben's elitist nasty reaction to having his pride pricked by simply having people laughing at him as a result of a funny practical joke.

He is a lot different when him and Dave sit together sn1ggering taking the p1ss out of others though... he seems to have no trouble laughing then.

[tintedshadow]

Why do all you Ben apologists just really say 'but JJ is as bad'?

It's like you all can't condone his behaviour so you have to try to deflect the conversation away from him by talking about someone else.

I am not protecting JJ here, I am talking about Ben's elitist nasty reaction to having his pride pricked by simply having people laughing at him as a result of a funny practical joke.

He is a lot different when him and Dave sit together s******ing taking the p1ss out of others though... he seems to have no trouble laughing then.

okay first of all ease off,this isnt a personal attack on you,no ones apologising for bens behavior,least of all me... i dont even consider him a favourite of mine,all i would say is you take the two that it involves,you've got jj who antogonised ben which is what caused ben to become riled up in the first place..

since we all know jj likes confrontations,and likes to rile people up,you cant blame someone for reacting..its like saying i rocked your jawside,but your not supposed to be mad at me.. if i caused you to become angry,its not your fault you react is it? only reason jj is being brought up is every single situation he starts,he has a problem with housemates reacting back. so its not deflecting its more just taking everything in to consideration..

[vesavius]

okay first of all ease off,this isnt a personal attack on you

And nor was it taken as such, I think your maybe misunderstanding the tone of my post.

I should have maybe used more :dance::joker::xyxwave::cat::elephant:

no ones apologising for bens behavior,least of all me... i dont even consider him a favourite of mine,all i would say is you take the two that it involves,you've got jj who antogonised ben which is what caused ben to become riled up in the first place..

since we all know jj likes confrontations,and likes to rile people up,you cant blame someone for reacting..its like saying i rocked your jawside,but your not supposed to be mad at me.. if i caused you to become angry,its not your fault you react is it? only reason jj is being brought up is every single situation he starts,he has a problem with housemates reacting back. so its not deflecting its more just taking everything in to consideration..

I am sorry, you do sound like an apologiser deflecting though. :(

[supergirthuk]

I dont see much difference between the Ben v JJ argument and the Josie (and he gollum shaped parasite) v JJ argument really except it was nice to see Ben stand up for himself for a change. It also showed JJ up as being fake because the JJ he portray usually would never be able to hold an argument with Ben for over an hour. JJ is very load and inconsiderate in the bedroom and has been since he entered the house and Ben was really really funny.

[Kazanne]

Ben is the give up king :joker:

What was even funnier was that they all turned him down saying 'no way bad idea', but were all then arm wrestling between themselves later on in the LF :joker:

It just shows what a spiteful lot they are,and even nastier for someone to find that funny!!

[vesavius]

I dont see much difference between the Ben v JJ argument and the Josie (and he gollum shaped parasite) v JJ argument really except it was nice to see Ben stand up for himself for a change. It also showed JJ up as being fake because the JJ he portray usually would never be able to hold an argument with Ben for over an hour. JJ is very load and inconsiderate in the bedroom and has been since he entered the house and Ben was really really funny.

Like I keep saying, this thread isnt about that other argument, or any other situation, it's about how badly Ben reacted to a simple practical joke with hostile personal snipes.

More attempted deflection :(

[vesavius]

It just shows what a spiteful lot they are,and even nastier for someone to find that funny!!

ofc Ben's continous fail is funny, it's his primary entertanment role in the house... Even other Ben fans say as much.

Get a grip lol :joker:

[Kazanne]

Humourless Ben has just accused the ToT task of bullying him.

Saying that his task is impossible..

..Coincidently, Ife's managed to get a game of arm wrestling going in the living area.

Maybe the poor little lamb could have coped better with the help of one of his sidekicks.

He's pretty useless at doing anything by himself.

I imagine Ben has come across spiteful nasty people all his life so has given up trying with them lot,how spiteful of them not do the arm wrestling with him.

[supergirthuk]

Like I keep saying, this thread isnt about that other argument, or any other situation, it's about how badly Ben reacted to a simple practical joke with hostile personal snipes.

More attempted deflection :(

Of course it isnt, because you cant be having Josie's name being soiled the way you are atempting to soil Ben's, can you?

There is no deflection. They are related because the arguements involve the same person.

There is nothing elitist about the bloke sticking up for himself for a change. Is he not allowed to lose his rag when continually provoked? Im sure you do, as I do and so does Ben, JJ and your beloved gameplayer too. It was not elitist to use his superior knowledge of put downs and nor was it in anyway fake because we all get pushed too far and are allowed to have outbursts.

[Kazanne]

At least some of us can see the good and bad in ALL the housemates,SOME on here are so smitten with one housemate they will not have a word said against them,even if they are in the wrong,something they keep accusing Bens fans of.

[BB_Eye]

Like I keep saying, this thread isnt about that other argument, or any other situation, it's about how badly Ben reacted to a simple practical joke with hostile personal snipes.

More attempted deflection :(

Oh please... 90% of people would react badly to a practical joke first thing in the morning.

[Kazanne]

Of course it isnt, because you cant be having Josie's name being soiled the way you are atempting to soil Ben's, can you?

There is no deflection. They are related because the arguements involve the same person.

There is nothing elitist about the bloke sticking up for himself for a change. Is he not allowed to lose his rag when continually provoked? Im sure you do, as I do and so does Ben, JJ and your beloved gameplayer too. It was not elitist to use his superior knowledge of put downs and nor was it in anyway fake because we all get pushed too far and are allowed to have outbursts.

They moan when he says nothing and as soon as he does they moan again,LOL

[vesavius]

Of course it isnt, because you cant be having Josie's name being soiled the way you are atempting to soil Ben's, can you?

There is no deflection. They are related because the arguements involve the same person.

There is nothing elitist about the bloke sticking up for himself for a change. Is he not allowed to lose his rag when continually provoked? Im sure you do, as I do and so does Ben, JJ and your beloved gameplayer too. It was not elitist to use his superior knowledge of put downs and nor was it in anyway fake because we all get pushed too far and are allowed to have outbursts.

You keep trying to make this thread about Josie, who wasnt even involved, when it is about Ben's reaction.

Very slippery :nono:

[vesavius]

They moan when he says nothing and as soon as he does they moan again,LOL

and your just making stuff up... (links to those supposed moans of mine or it didnt happen)

Arnt any Ben supporters capable of making an honest argument for his cause? :bawling:

[Kazanne]

ofc Ben's continous fail is funny, it's his primary entertanment role in the house... Even other Ben fans say as much.

Get a grip lol :joker:

More to the point maybe you should get a grip of your unhealthy dislike for Ben,you never miss a chance to diss him even on something as petty as this and nothing the others havent done,Are you and MrWong the same person?

[vesavius]

More to the point maybe you should get a grip of your unhealthy dislike for Ben,you never miss a chance to diss him even on something as petty as this and nothing the others havent done,Are you and MrWong the same person?

No, and feel free to ask a mod for an IP check.

Your pretty paranoid :crazy:

[Kazanne]

and your just making stuff up... (links to those supposed moans of mine or it didnt happen)

Arnt any Ben supporters capable of making an honest argument for his cause? :bawling:

When was your name mentioned?don't flatter yourself that everything is about you.What have I made up?

[supergirthuk]

You keep trying to make this thread about Josie, who wasnt even involved, when it is about Ben's reaction.

Very slippery :nono:

Josie said that she could have strangled JJ when he was argueing with Ben and thus was involved because having said this to the Diary room and JJ she is involving herself.

[Kazanne]

No, and feel free to ask a mod for an IP check.

Your pretty paranoid :crazy:

No need to ask a mod,it's not rocket science:joker:

[vesavius]

When was your name mentioned?don't flatter yourself that everything is about you.What have I made up?

/sigh... slippery arguing is so boring tbh.

Go back and reread the thread, it's all there to be understood.

[vesavius]

No need to ask a mod,it's not rocket science:joker:

yet you still asked... makes the question extra dumb tbh.

[vesavius]

Josie said that she could have strangled JJ when he was argueing with Ben and thus was involved because having said this to the Diary room and JJ she is involving herself.

Your still doing it... attempting to deflect the thread to be about Josie and not Ben.

Very very slippery :nono::nono:

[BB_Eye]

You keep trying to make this thread about Josie, who wasnt even involved, when it is about Ben's reaction.

Very slippery :nono:

No offence vesavius, but for someone who continually rambles on about people being evasive when they get into an argument with you, you don't seem very willing to properly defend your position either. Supergirth mentioned Josie once in the first line, the rest was a valid point made about Ben, but you chose to ignore it and dish out your usual offering of lazy ad-homs.

[vesavius]

No offence vesavius, but for someone who continually rambles on about people being evasive when they get into an argument with you, you don't seem very willing to properly defend your position either. Supergirth mentioned Josie once in the first line, the rest was a valid point made about Ben, but you chose to ignore it and dish out your usual offering of lazy ad-homs.

I will argue it happily when the point at hand isnt diluted with attempted deflections.

I have been making a clear point stating my position since the OP and have been very clear about the thread topic.

Your obviously trying to shift the argument to me now, rather then talking about the case in point. Naughty....

[NeoPhoenix]

I'm not a fan of Ben, but I honestly thought his tirade against JJ was funny as hell. It's about time JJ got it back as good as he likes to give it.

On the subject of the actual tirade and its' personal nature, I try to put myself in the shoes of Ben. In a real life situation, I'd have never reacted the way that Ben did. However, if I'm locked in the BB house for a few weeks, cameras on me 24/7, living on an unpredictable food supply, probably being bored out of my gourd most of the time while having to listen to JJ's almost incessant whining (I only watch the daily show and not the LF and even in that small amount of time JJ grates on my nerves), then my stress levels are probably going to be through the roof and it's probably not going to take much to push my buttons to the point that I say something to the effect that Ben did. Especially when I'm rudely awoken and practically tumbled out of my bed with people laughing at me like hyenas.

So yeah, while I wouldn't condone what Ben said in a real world situation, in the confines of the BB house and its' environment, I totally understand why he'd react in such a way. As viewers, and not participants, it's really easy to judge these people and forget about how much of a stressful environment that house really is. And don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be apologetic for Ben. I don't condone what he said, but I do understand how the stress may have gotten the best of him.

[vesavius]

I'm not a fan of Ben, but I honestly thought his tirade against JJ was funny as hell. It's about time JJ got it back as good as he likes to give it.

On the subject of the actual tirade and its' personal nature, I try to put myself in the shoes of Ben. In a real life situation, I'd have never reacted the way that Ben did. However, if I'm locked in the BB house for a few weeks, cameras on me 24/7, living on an unpredictable food supply, probably being bored out of my gourd most of the time while having to listen to JJ's almost incessant whining (I only watch the daily show and not the LF and even in that small amount of time JJ grates on my nerves), then my stress levels are probably going to be through the roof and it's probably not going to take much push my buttons to the point that I say something to the effect that Ben did. Especially when I'm rudely awoken and practically tumbled out of my bed with people laughing at me like hyenas.

So yeah, while I wouldn't condone what Ben said in a real world situation, in the confines of the BB house and its' environment, I totally understand why he'd react in such a way. As viewers, and not participants, it's really easy to judge these people and forget about how much of a stressful environment that house really is. And don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be apologetic for Ben. I don't condone what he said, but I do understand how the stress may have gotten the best of him.

See guys?

THATS how you argue from Bens PoV in a clear non deflective way. Good post.

Just wanted to make that point seperatly. I will respond soon :P

[BB_Eye]

I will argue it happily when the point at hand isnt diluted with attempted deflections.

I have been making a clear point stating my position since the OP and have been very clear about the thread topic.

Thats an odd quote of mine you used btw... me asking someone who accused me and Wong of being the same poster to do an IP check.

How was that relevant?

Quoting mistake, fixed now.

[vesavius]

I'm not a fan of Ben, but I honestly thought his tirade against JJ was funny as hell. It's about time JJ got it back as good as he likes to give it.

On the subject of the actual tirade and its' personal nature, I try to put myself in the shoes of Ben. In a real life situation, I'd have never reacted the way that Ben did. However, if I'm locked in the BB house for a few weeks, cameras on me 24/7, living on an unpredictable food supply, probably being bored out of my gourd most of the time while having to listen to JJ's almost incessant whining (I only watch the daily show and not the LF and even in that small amount of time JJ grates on my nerves), then my stress levels are probably going to be through the roof and it's probably not going to take much to push my buttons to the point that I say something to the effect that Ben did. Especially when I'm rudely awoken and practically tumbled out of my bed with people laughing at me like hyenas.

So yeah, while I wouldn't condone what Ben said in a real world situation, in the confines of the BB house and its' environment, I totally understand why he'd react in such a way. As viewers, and not participants, it's really easy to judge these people and forget about how much of a stressful environment that house really is. And don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be apologetic for Ben. I don't condone what he said, but I do understand how the stress may have gotten the best of him.

I agree the tension, and everything else you say, got the best of him and he cracked, but what I am saying is that crack allowed us a valuable insight into the real person behind Ben's carefully constructed facade.

A waspish spiteful elitist snob.

You often see the truth of a man in argument and drink...


(Though I do agree it was great TV :joker: )

[NeoPhoenix]

I agree the tension, and everything else you say, got the best of him and he cracked, but what I am saying is that crack allowed us a valuable insight into the real person behind Ben's carefully constructed facade.

A waspish spiteful elitist snob.

You often see the truth of a man in argument and drink...


(Though I do agree it was great TV :joker: )

He could very well be what you describe, and while I agree with the sentiment that you often see the truth of a man in argument and drink, I don't feel that is always necessarily the case. It could be true in Ben's case as we've seen him talk behind people's backs before (Mario being one of those people).

It could also very well just be the case that he's just a bit fed up with JJ's behavior and just wanted to hurl some very hurtful insults toward him to get him to shut up. He can be very annoying at times and doesn't seem to know when to shut his yap. He kind of reminds me of a kid who will poke a dog with a stick over and over again until the dog turns around to bite him and then wonders why the dog bit him in the first place acting as if it was no fault of his own.

Ah well, Ben's got at least another week in the house. I'm sure if he is the type of person you think he is, he'll show his true colors again before it is over with hehe. I actually kind of hope he does, as that tirade was pretty entertaining lol.

[vesavius]

He could very well be what you describe, and while I agree with the sentiment that you often see the truth of a man in argument and drink, I don't feel that is always necessarily the case. It could be true in Ben's case as we've seen him talk behind people's backs before (Mario being one of those people).

It could also very well just be the case that he's just a bit fed up with JJ's behavior and just wanted to hurl some very hurtful insults toward him to get him to shut up. He can be very annoying at times and doesn't seem to know when to shut his yap. He kind of reminds me of a kid who will poke a dog with a stick over and over again until the dog turns around to bite him and then wonders why the dog bit him in the first place acting as if it was no fault of his own.

Ah well, Ben's got at least another week in the house. I'm sure if he is the type of person you think he is, he'll show his true colors again before it is over with hehe. I actually kind of hope he does, as that tirade was pretty entertaining lol.

I agree, I actually want him in the house. I might not like the guy, who he is under his political surface, or the way he chooses to play the game, but he is good TV.

Again and again he shows hs true colours, he has since the first week. I have no doubt he will do it again. No one, especially Ben, can pretend to be somone they arnt forever in that house :devil:

I don't defend JJ at all, I have a balanced view of his good and bad side and fully admit what he is, but he is also a great catalyst in the show for drama imo.