FANTASTIC Ben

[newspresenter]

Stands up against political correctness and the Global Warming myth.

TOP MAN, he is now my favourite, i want him to win!!

[johnx]

Good stuff.Need some conspiracy theory talk in there.

[MrBlack]

Stands up against political correctness and the Global Warming myth.

TOP MAN, he is now my favourite, i want him to win!!

Global warming myth...??? Thats because all the Tory's friends are business men who dont give a **** about the planet.

[johnx]

Global warming myth...??? Thats because all the Tory's friends are business men who dont give a **** about the planet.

Probably true but that doesn't make Global Warming a reality.It's been exposed as a con-which Ben is right to point out as the most intelligent,well travelled person in there.

[chuff me dizzy]

Love Ben !!

[newspresenter]

Global warming myth...???

What brought us out of the ice age 300 million years ago?
NASA say the planet has been cooling down over the last 5 years.
The planet has warmed up 0.7% over the last 160 years.

The planet warms and cools, how did Ben put it, Cycryling? (on a cycle basis). Basicly, humans have no serious input either way, but monsters in political positions blame us so they can tax us.

[johnx]

Has'nt been any heating in 15 years-thats why they had to start calling it climate change.

[MrBlack]

Probably true but that doesn't make Global Warming a reality.It's been exposed as a con-which Ben is right to point out as the most intelligent,well travelled person in there.

Exposed as a con..? Really. Wow.

I think you will find it is no con. and I'm not in there, in out here..in the real world, where global warming is very, very real.

[johnx]

Exposed as a con..? Really. Wow.

I think you will find it is no con. and I'm not in there, in out here..in the real world, where global warming is very, very real.

Your just parroting what you've picked up from news and documentaries.Many knowledgable people on the topic(David Bellamy,Johny Ball,many scientists) regard it as a sham and a con.

[Livia]

Climate Change is a natural phenomena that's happened more than once in history. We humans could do with cleaning up our act, but "Climate Change" is a well-publicised myth to take taxes from us. I get annoyed seeing how much light polution from our towns and cities is visible from space every night, and then being asked not to leave my TV on standby.

Ben's got it right.

[newspresenter]

in the real world, where global warming is very, very real.

NASA graph, last 5 years, global cooling, very, very real.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A.lrg.gif

[vesavius]

Global warming myth...??? Thats because all the Tory's friends are business men who dont give a **** about the planet.


Ben is too locked tight into his own selfish bubble to want to believe any perspective that he might have to give a sh1t about anyone else then himself.

[vesavius]

NASA graph, last 5 years, global cooling, very, very real

This isnt about whteher GW is 'real' or not to me, there are way too many liars with their own agendas involved on both sides to know for sure.

It is about Ben's motivation for believing what he does.

BB isnt about global warming, it's about people.

[ange7]

Has'nt been any heating in 15 years-thats why they had to start calling it climate change.
dear me .... wrong!

[newspresenter]

This isnt about whteher GW is 'real' or not to me, there are way too many liars with their own agendas involved on both sides to know for sure.

It is about Ben's motivation for believing what he does.

BB isnt about global warming, it's about people.

Most people believe the myth politicians and the media export about global temperatures, so Ben wasn't pandering to the masses, he was giving his opinion. You have to admire him for that, and saying we should be allowed to say what we want without the far left telling us we're bad people for doing so.

Ben has stood up for decency against the odds, we shouldn't be shooting him down, we should be applauding him, because what he did benefits everyone.

[vesavius]

Most people believe the myth politicians and the media export about global temperatures, so Ben wasn't pandering to the masses, he was giving his opinion. You have to admire him for that, and saying we should be allowed to say what we want without the far left telling us we're bad people for doing so.

Ben has stood up for decency against the odds, we shouldn't be shooting him down, we should be applauding him, because what he did benefits everyone.

You misunderstood what I meant by his motivations.

I think he just believes what he believes because it's easier then actually giving a sh1t about anyone else except himself.

Nothing deeper.

[newspresenter]

I think he just believes what he believes because it's easier then actually giving a sh1t about anyone else except himself.

But by telling the truth, he's giving a sh1t about everyone else, he doesn't want them to suffer anymore nonsense.

[johnx]

Bens the most caring person in there.He's doin his bit to expose the bs.

[discotheque]

The more I learn about Ben's views the more I want him out of there.

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

Global warming myth...??? Thats because all the Tory's friends are business men who dont give a **** about the planet.


why dont you do a bit of research first instead of believing what politicians tell you

politicians dont lie you say?

1 word

Iraq

[MrBlack]

Your just parroting what you've picked up from news and documentaries.Many knowledgable people on the topic(David Bellamy,Johny Ball,many scientists) regard it as a sham and a con.

factual news and factual documentaries without vested interest.



David Bellamy LOL..!!

..George Monbiot of The Guardian tracked down Bellamy's original source for this information and found that it was Fred Singer's website. Singer claimed to have obtained these figures from a 1989 article in the journal Science, but no such article exists.[6] Bellamy has since stated that his figures on glaciers were wrong, and announced in a letter to The Sunday Times in 2005 that he had "decided to draw back from the debate on global warming....

[MrBlack]

why dont you do a bit of research first instead of believing what politicians tell you

politicians dont lie you say?

1 word

Iraq

Oh My..you are uneducated...its not the politicians who are talking about GW. its scientists.

[johnx]

factual news and factual documentaries without vested interest.



David Bellamy LOL..!!

..George Monbiot of The Guardian tracked down Bellamy's original source for this information and found that it was Fred Singer's website. Singer claimed to have obtained these figures from a 1989 article in the journal Science, but no such article exists.[6] Bellamy has since stated that his figures on glaciers were wrong, and announced in a letter to The Sunday Times in 2005 that he had "decided to draw back from the debate on global warming....

Climate-gate e-mails anyone? Bellamys just given a major presentation outlining his views and his belief the mainstream media have blacklisted him for expressing them.

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

Stands up against political correctness and the Global Warming myth.

TOP MAN, he is now my favourite, i want him to win!!


when did he say this?

hope they show on highlights along with his talk with ToT :joker:

Ben will become one of the BB legends, no doubt

[ange7]

"Climate-gate e-mails" ??? ffs

there's 40 years of science in all areas of science pointing to the same thing. But people point to some prat in an English uni as 'proof' of a great conspiracy! What a joke.

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

Oh My..you are uneducated...its not the politicians who are talking about GW. its scientists.

ostrich alert :joker:

and who do you think tells these so called "scientists" what to say

[Tracyjay]

is it just me or does anyone else find it a little scary to think that many people will hear a HM's views on a serious issue (or read on here) and believe it...without checking many sources and reaching own conclusions. printing stats or graphs means little without knowing full sources and wether peer reviewed etc..................phew! had a serious moment there...need a lie down!


You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.” Nietzsche

[flamingGalah!]

Actually there has been warming, even this year while we were having the coldest winter for 30 years, other areas were having record warmth. Melbourne for example had the warmest night for 50 years or something & now while we are having a warm & very dry spell in the UK, Sydney has had it's coldest June night in 70 years...

Where one part of the globe is warmer another may be cooler, so it balances out... But the general trend is still a warming one...

[newspresenter]

its not the politicians who are talking about GW. its scientists.

Not all scientists support the GW myth, coincidently, all government funded scientists support it, wonder why...

Checkout Phillip Stott. He made a great point, humans live between 45 degrees and minus 20 degrees, but global warming fantasists warn us that if we get an increase of 1 or 2 degrees, we wont be able to cope.

Ben has exposed the global warming fantasists.

[newspresenter]

when did he say this?

About 5 mins before this thread started.

[newspresenter]

is it just me or does anyone else find it a little scary to think that many people will hear a HM's views on a serious issue (or read on here) and believe it...without checking many sources and reaching own conclusions. printing stats or graphs means little without knowing full sources and wether peer reviewed etc..................

So you disagree with NASA, that the planet has been cooling down over the last 5 years?

[ange7]

"coincidently, all government funded scientists support it, wonder why..."
why? is ithis your conspiracy theory?
or is it because they aren't funded by BP.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Bens a prat

[flamingGalah!]

So you disagree with NASA, that the planet has been cooling down over the last 5 years?

Even if it has though it doesn't mean that there still isn't a general warming trend... It can go in peaks & troughs, in the past climate change hasn't been simply consistantly warming then cooling, it does go up & down...

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

was Ben talking to "sunshine" about global warming? :joker:

[Tracyjay]

Not all scientists support the GW myth, coincidently, all government funded scientists support it, wonder why...

Checkout Phillip Stott. He made a great point, humans live between 45 degrees and minus 20 degrees, but global warming fantasists warn us that if we get an increase of 1 or 2 degrees, we wont be able to cope.

Ben has exposed the global warming fantasists.

I just fell off my chair! its a global rise in 2 degrees not just switch the fans on time in your room. If global temps rise then the cryosphere will be damaged causing ice melt...flooding ..crops to ruin...damaged ecosystems... not just a hot day but a long period of change that many..including people wont be able to cope with...famine etc on HUGE scale

[Tracyjay]

So you disagree with NASA, that the planet has been cooling down over the last 5 years?

I couldnt decide instantly I would have to read all evidence both sides..and i'm bit rushed at mo.:blush:

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

I just fell off my chair! its a global rise in 2 degrees not just switch the fans on time in your room. If global temps rise then the cryosphere will be damaged causing ice melt...flooding ..crops to ruin...damaged ecosystems... not just a hot day but a long period of change that many..including people wont be able to cope with...famine etc on HUGE scale


take it up with the big orange thing in the sky (no not Corin)

when that thing gets pissed there will be a lot more than famine to worry about

[flamingGalah!]

I just fell off my chair! its a global rise in 2 degrees not just switch the fans on time in your room. If global temps rise then the cryosphere will be damaged causing ice melt...flooding ..crops to ruin...damaged ecosystems... not just a hot day but a long period of change that many..including people wont be able to cope with...famine etc on HUGE scale

Indeed it's the global AVERAGE that is to rise 2 degress, not that we will get 14C in January instead of 12C! A 2C average rise could see temps as much as 10-15C higher, so even in the UK we could be looking at summer time temps of 40C +... Bad for us, but for countries like Africa & Australia it would be devastating...

[ange7]

So you disagree with NASA, that the planet has been cooling down over the last 5 years?
last 5 years is too short ... look at it over 200 years. These numbers vary in 10 year cycles but the overall direction is up. plus...
CO2 up, ocean temps up, ocean acidity up etc.
etc

wake up dude. Your not that old sado from top gear are you?

[newspresenter]

Even if it has though it doesn't mean that there still isn't a general warming trend... It can go in peaks & troughs, in the past climate change hasn't been simply consistantly warming then cooling, it does go up & down...

How long is a trend. Should we go back 5 years, 50 years, 500 years or 3 million years. What caused our planet to be 10 times hotter than it is today? What brought it out of the ice age 300 million years ago?

[flamingGalah!]

How long is a trend. Should we go back 5 years, 50 years, 500 years or 3 million years. What caused our planet to be 10 times hotter than it is today? What brought it out of the ice age 300 million years ago?

Longer than 5 years! I'd say, personally, 10-20 years at least... probably longer...

[newspresenter]

I just fell off my chair! its a global rise in 2 degrees not just switch the fans on time in your room. If global temps rise then the cryosphere will be damaged causing ice melt...flooding ..crops to ruin...damaged ecosystems... not just a hot day but a long period of change that many..including people wont be able to cope with...famine etc on HUGE scale

When water freezes, it expands, thus when it melts, it doesn't take up as much space as frozen. 5 years ago we had an average temperature increase, no floods, no ruined crops, no damaged ecosystems, we coped very well.

[ange7]

Longer than 5 years! I'd say, personally, 10-20 years at least... probably longer...
ffs 200 years ... back to the start of the industrial age 1830's.
who are you people?

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

ok im not gonna joke on this post ill be serious :hugesmile:

if one scientist says one thing and another says the opposite its a choice of who to believe

if the global warming of recent years is caused primarily by human activity as the government scientists say and this warming is as dangerous as they say ie famine floods blah blah blah

then why do they not just BAN fossil fuels

no, instead they come up with with carbon tax and green technology etc which makes those who invest in it, most famous being Al Gore, very very rich indeed

that is all the proof i need to know its bull****, i dont even need to speak a scientist on either side

[newspresenter]

last 5 years is too short ... look at it over 200 years.

Why 200 years?

[johnx]

How long is a trend. Should we go back 5 years, 50 years, 500 years or 3 million years. What caused our planet to be 10 times hotter than it is today? What brought it out of the ice age 300 million years ago?

Theres no PROOF that any climate change is man made.Might be tempting to jump to the conclusion it is which is why much of the public are prepared to swallow it.Powers that be are constantly looking for ways to panic the population presenting them with a host of enemies real and imagined.Ben is a real libertarian for his courageous stance.

[newspresenter]

Longer than 5 years! I'd say, personally, 10-20 years at least... probably longer...

You've never known a trend to last upto 5 years? I remember the 'smoothie' haircut in the early 80's, last 2 years at best.

[ange7]

Why 200 years?
these numbers vary over 5 and 10 year cycles. The longer trend can be hidden if you look only at the last 5 years. 200 years because that's when all the inventions of the scientific age began to be applied in industry.

[flamingGalah!]

ffs 200 years ... back to the start of the industrial age 1830's.
who are you people?

In the UK the general warming trend has actually only been really evident for around the last 30 years... Before that we had some seriously cold winters in the 40's, 60's & 70's which lowered the average...

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

government scientist A: hey jeff, what you think caused the ending of the last ice age?
government scientist B: well, from what ive read, their was an increase in testosterone in the men, they started to get very horny and everyone started ****in like rabbits, so more people yeah... that means more farting and more fires to keep everyone warm, and more log fires meant more horny couples ****in like rabbits, see cause and effect, CO2 increases simple
government scientist A: never thought of that, nice one mate, lets present our findings to the UN :dance:

[ange7]

In the UK the general warming trend has actually only been really evident for around the last 30 years... Before that we had some seriously cold winters in the 40's, 60's & 70's which lowered the average...
they don't make global warming predictions based on only UK temps. Locally they predict temps in UK to get colder as a result of global warming because that area will get more northerly winds from the arctic. ( something to do with changes in sea convection currents in the Northern Atlantic).

[flamingGalah!]

they don't make global warming predictions based on only UK temps. Locally they predict temps in UK to get colder as a result of global warming because that area will get more northerly winds from the arctic. ( something to do with changes in sea convection currents in the Northern Atlantic).

I'm aware of that, but I was just making the point that warming hasn't been evident in the UK since the 1800's, hence my trends being over 20 years or so, as that is the period that our Met Office has statistics for a warming period... With 10 or so of the warmest years on record being recorded since 1990...

[ange7]

Oh OK I'm with you ... thought you were arguing that global warming was rubbish based on just 5 years of UK temp numbers.
My bad.

[flamingGalah!]

Oh OK I'm with you ... thought you were arguing that global warming was rubbish based on just 5 years of UK temp numbers.
My bad.

Oh yeah I very much believe in global warming, unfortunately as here in the UK we have had two cold winters in the last two years many are trying to discredit it, not realising that climate change (a better description than global warming) will see dramatic variations in the climate, not simply getting hotter...