its ashame ben

[LiquidGold]

he did try though with the arm wrestling task but come on what a daft task we should of known it wouldnt be easy to get alll the hm's suitcases back :rolleyes: but how the hell could he get the lazy hm's to do soemthing as random as that?? especially something like that where non of them had any interest whatsoever . but he gave us some laughs with tree of temp that was hilarious! . but whats his punishment going to be?????? :shocked:

[vesavius]

he did try though with the arm wrestling task but come on what a daft task we should of known it wouldnt be easy to get alll the hm's suitcases back :rolleyes: but how the hell could he get the lazy hm's to do soemthing as random as that?? especially something like that where non of them had any interest whatsoever . but he gave us some laughs with tree of temp that was hilarious! . but whats his punishment going to be?????? :shocked:

Liquid...

You was aware like 4 hours or so later Ife had them all arm wrestling in the lounge?

When ben was in the bedroom :joker:

hardly 'impossible'... he hardly even tried. Ben is the give up king.

His punishment is doing a stand up in front of the BB audience tomorrow night.

[King Gizzard]

it was basically impossible, they would of sussed him out straight away if he was going around telling them all, pleading with them, he hardly looks like the type of guy that is in to arm wrestling

[vesavius]

it was basically impossible, they would of sussed him out straight away if he was going around telling them all, pleading with them, he hardly looks like the type of guy that is in to arm wrestling

Like I said, Ife had them all arm wrestling 4 or so hours later in the lounge on LF.

Really not impossable at all, Ben is just spineless and gives up at the first hurdle in every task.

[LiquidGold]

Like I said, Ife had them all arm wrestling 4 or so hours later in the lounge on LF.

Really not impossable at all, Ben is just spineless and gives up at the first hurdle in every task.

he said it twice and they all layed in bed and looked bored and soem walked away saying they're not interested and not good at it :sleep: so understandable he gave up atleast he tried . its not like he went off and didnt do anything atall !

[vesavius]

he said it twice and they all layed in bed and looked bored and soem walked away saying they're not interested and not good at it :sleep: so understandable he gave up atleast he tried . its not like he went off and didnt do anything atall !

He gives up on everything. It's what he does :joker:

[LiquidGold]

He gives up on everything. It's what he does :joker:

and if he tried more then you would still of complained and said he's desperate or something so either way he cant win :sleep:

[vesavius]

and if he tried more then you would still of complained and said he's desperate or something so either way he cant win :sleep:

Nope I wouldnt lol, thats an unfair statement. :nono:

Maybe I wouldnt think like this if he TRIED at least to win... I mean, it was for everyone's suitcases, it deserved more then the desultory token effort he gave it.

If ife had been given that task they would all have their stuff back now, thats what his lamness cost them.

[LiquidGold]

i wish they all got their suitcases back soon cause how much longer can bb do this ridiculous thing! cause they need their stuff and its silly seeing them swap clothes

[vesavius]

i wish they all got their suitcases back soon cause how much longer can bb do this ridiculous thing! cause they need their stuff and its silly seeing them swap clothes

Well, BB gave Ben the chance... you can't blame them for his fecklessness :joker:

[LiquidGold]

Well, BB gave Ben the chance... you can't blame them for his fecklessness :joker:

yes i can blame them cause it was stupid and unoriginal to take their suitcases away in first place! :nono:

[vesavius]

yes i can blame them cause it was stupid and unoriginal to take their suitcases away in first place! :nono:

:sad:

[starry]

He didn't really try much at all.

[Visage]

I like Ben, but feel he is stupid at times.

Yeah the arm wrestling task may have seemed somewhat odd coming from him, having said that, he is odd so it could have worked.

Where Ben let me down was, he didn't even try and give it ago.....

[camertone]

remember! mario completed the impossible task!

shabby and corin completed tasks. they did it very well without complaint.

it was not difficult task at all, ben is a very poor sport!

ben is so overrated right now, he is actually quite boring and tedious!

[starry]

remember! mario completed the impossible task!
ben is so overrated right now, he is actually quite boring and tedious!

I agree with the second comment, but that's down to Endemol making him one of their favourites.

But about Mario...that task was actually made very possible by how they did the twist at the end. Several people starting with Sunshine were actually aware he was the mole so he really failed the task.

[stonedape]

Ben's exchange with the ToT was legend, and I think his punishment will be the most enjoyable since electrocution. How dull would it have been if he successfully held the arm wrestling contest? Everyone gets a suitcase, everyone plays a game together, roll credits. Maybe in BB1.

I know the point of ToT's tasks is putting people out of their comfort zone, but in this case it just wasn't that interesting.

[Kazanne]

Ben did try with Nathan and Shabby,they both did not want to do it,maybe it was just because it was Ben who asked as some of them were arm wrestling later on,so imo it did seem a bit of a silly task to give Ben as he is not the type to keep on to people to have a go at it,but saying that him failing has led to some good entertainment tonight and hilarious banter with that tree,lol.

[ange7]

If Ben had thought of a clever way to start an arm wrestling competion then he could have succeeded. He could have poked fun at one of them and said "I do believe I could take you in an arm wrestle Iffy!". That could have been funny and helped kick it off. But no ... even before he started he was making his excuses "Tree! I shall do my best but I promise nothing". lol who even says that?

[Visage]

If Ben had thought of a clever way to start an arm wrestling competion then he could have succeeded. He could have poked fun at one of them and said "I do believe I could take you in an arm wrestle Iffy!". That could have been funny and helped kick it off. But no ... even before he started he was making his excuses "Tree! I shall do my best but I promise nothing". lol who even says that?



Yep, those are my thoughts too. The housemates complain that they are bored, so for Ben to organise this, he could have used the boredom as part of the 'talking them round' strategy.

[terryrow]

i thought ben was hilarious. who else would tell the tree of temptation off. he is becoming my favourite hm

[ange7]

i thought ben was hilarious. who else would tell the tree of temptation off. he is becoming my favourite hm
yeah he let rip on the tree. ummm .... no.

[vesavius]

i thought ben was hilarious. who else would tell the tree of temptation off. he is becoming my favourite hm

well... Shabby and caohfghrfyj already have for a start.

[vesavius]

I like Ben, but feel he is stupid at times.

Yeah the arm wrestling task may have seemed somewhat odd coming from him, having said that, he is odd so it could have worked.

Where Ben let me down was, he didn't even try and give it ago.....

and it seemed in character for Ife a few hours later? c'mon...

we need to stop making excuses for him, admit that he hardly tried, failed the house, and move on.

He is just the Give Up King.

[vesavius]

Ben did try with Nathan and Shabby,they both did not want to do it,maybe it was just because it was Ben who asked as some of them were arm wrestling later on,so imo it did seem a bit of a silly task to give Ben as he is not the type to keep on to people to have a go at it,but saying that him failing has led to some good entertainment tonight and hilarious banter with that tree,lol.

You apologists keep ignoring that a mere few hours later Ife on her own whim had them all arm wrestling in the lounge, and she didnt even have a task or the motivation of getting the HMs their cases back.

His fecklesness dosent make it a 'stupid task'.

He is just constant fail :joker:

[stoney]

Nope I wouldnt lol, thats an unfair statement. :nono:

Maybe I wouldnt think like this if he TRIED at least to win... I mean, it was for everyone's suitcases, it deserved more then the desultory token effort he gave it.

If ife had been given that task they would all have their stuff back now, thats what his lamness cost them.

the big difference tho is who is asking ves.
We, you and the producers know that there was no way team shabby were going to take part in a competition set up by Ben when it might talke their air time in eviction week. He could have begged and bribed every one of them and still shabby, nathan , jj, josie and probably ife would have resisted simply cos of who was asking
its more obvious if nathan, or Shabby, was one of the ones competing with his friend ife after he would not even listen to Ben's attempt.

The producers expected a fail as that is why it was set cos they had the stand up slot set for him. It is a really horrid thing to put any novice comedian thru let alone soemone with no comedy asperations like Ben:nono:

[cazzy555]

I think the exchange he had with the tree by not doing it was way funnier than watching them arm wrestle would be. I agree though Ben didn't really try but thats because he knew it was so out of character for him they would have sussed him. I think the tasks the others have done were much easier.

[vesavius]

the big difference tho is who is asking ves. We, you and the producers know that there was no way team shabby were going to take part in a competition set up by Ben when it might talke their air time in eviction week. He could have begged and bribed every one of them and still shabby, nathan , jj, josie and probably ife would have resisted simply cos of who was asking
its more obvious if nathan, or Shabby, was one of the ones competing with his friend ife after he would not even listen to Ben's attempt.

The producers expected a fail as that is why it was set cos they had the stand up slot set for him. It is a really horrid thing to put any novice comedian thru let alone soemone with no comedy asperations like Ben:nono:

I am sorry, I don't buy that.

The task, as proven, was very achievable. He just couldnt be arsed to make the effort? I mean... asking twice and then giving up?

Weak :(

You can't say that every time a Hm fails a task it wasnt possible, just because you like that HM. There really was no 'set up'... thats just rationalisation for his feckless failure.

If he really is that unpopular in the house, to the point people reject ideas just because they are his, then maybe people should be asking why that is... Everyone has earned their current social place in that house by their actions, for better or worse, right?

The truth is the man simply has no backbone.

[vesavius]

I think the exchange he had with the tree by not doing it was way funnier than watching them arm wrestle would be. I agree though Ben didn't really try but thats because he knew it was so out of character for him they would have sussed him. I think the tasks the others have done were much easier.

You are saying it was 'in character' for Ife?

C'mon.... :joker:

[Chuckyegg]

Ben is the person least likely to be able to get everyone arm wrestling without them becoming suspicious - I suspect that's why he was picked - so he could fail, allowing BB to execute thier stand up routine punishment idea.

Ben is not Ife

[vesavius]

Ben is the person least likely to be able to get everyone arm wrestling without them becoming suspicious - I suspect that's why he was picked - so he could fail, allowing BB to execute thier stand up routine punishment idea.

Ben is not Ife

No, your right.

Boring as she is, Ife would have made a real effort.

[cazzy555]

You are saying it was 'in character' for Ife?

C'mon.... :joker:

I wouldn't say that it was so out of character of Ife that they would have wondered why she wanted to do it. If the whole Idea was to get them arm wrestling then the ToT should have asked Ife. I agree Ben should have tried harder but I prefer the way things worked out

[vesavius]

I wouldn't say that it was so out of character of Ife that they would have wondered why she wanted to do it. If the whole Idea was to get them arm wrestling then the ToT should have asked Ife. I agree Ben should have tried harder but I prefer the way things worked out

Did either of the 2 people Ben asked to arm wrestle accuse him of being on a task because it was 'so out of character'?

Did it even occur to them, judging by their reactions, to 'wonder what he was up to'?

An honest answer will put this theory to bed, or at least should.

[stoney]

I am sorry, I don't buy that.

The task, as proven, was very achievable. He just couldnt be arsed to make the effort? I mean... asking twice and then giving up?

Weak :(

You can't say that every time a Hm fails a task it wasnt possible, just because you like that HM. There really was no 'set up'... thats just rationalisation for his feckless failure.

If he really is that unpopular in the house, to the point people reject ideas just because they are his, then maybe people should be asking why that is... Everyone has earned their current social place in that house by their actions, for better or worse, right?

The truth is the man simply has no backbone.


ok you dont like Ben, I get it ves and see that you are never prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt in the same way you expect others to give JJ or josie. I really believe that the producers knew there was no chanc ethat ben could do this task as they knew that team shabby wouldn't simply cos it was Ben that asked

but did shabby or Nathan take part in ife's armwrestling challenge:conf:

team shabby have made it very obvious that they are not prepared to give him the time of day let alone do a competition while their queen is around( it took Shabby's absence for them to do the gerry springer show and that was before she reinforced with josie and JJ)

Why should we only ask ourselves why Ben is disliked by team shabby so much :conf:
Shabby has never given him a chance since day one cos she has used it to deflect that she is also a spoilt little rich kid and her sheep simply follow her lead.
Its one of the biggest reasons I would prefer her our over Caoimhe tonight before she pulls JJ and josie down to her level

[stoney]

Did either of the 2 people Ben asked to arm wrestle accuse him of being on a task because it was 'so out of character'?

Did it even occur to them, judging by their reactions, to 'wonder what he was up to'?

Of course not.


So many apologists :bawling:

No but they made it very obvious that there was no way they would enter any arm wrestling competition that HE was organising

Did either join in with Ife:conf:

so many haters:bawling:

[vesavius]

ok you dont like Ben, I get it ves and see that you are never prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt in the same way you expect others to give JJ or josie. I really believe that the producers knew there was no chanc ethat ben could do this task as they knew that team shabby wouldn't simply cos it was Ben that asked

but did shabby or Nathan take part in ife's armwrestling challenge:conf:

team shabby have made it very obvious that they are not prepared to give him the time of day let alone do a competition while their queen is around( it took Shabby's absence for them to do the gerry springer show and that was before she reinforced with josie and JJ)

Why should we only ask ourselves why Ben is disliked by team shabby so much :conf:
Shabby has never given him a chance since day one cos she has used it to deflect that she is also a spoilt little rich kid and her sheep simply follow her lead.
Its one of the biggest reasons I would prefer her our over Caoimhe tonight before she pulls JJ and josie down to her level

Ok you like Ben, I get it Stoney and see that you are always prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt in a way you never give others like Josie or Shabby. (see how that works both ways?)

The rest of what you typed? All just smacks of rationalisation to me for all the reasons I have already given. Sorry.

[Kazanne]

If Ben were to win all the tasks,it would still not be good enough for some,as they just need SOMETHING,ANYTHING,to have a pop at simply because they don't like him,we get it ,we dont need telling in every post,I like Ben and until he does something that warrants my dislike that will be how it stays

[stoney]

ves, can you answer one simple bit for me, before i have to go to work.

Did nathan or Shabby join in ife's armwrestling?

I want to continue to give josie the benefit of the doubt altho the closer she gets to shabby the more I seem to dislike her , as i said on another thread.

I do dislike Shabby( she's always the type of inmate the producers love and I hate every year) and am probably not prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt as she has shown all thru this how devious she is imo

[vesavius]

ves, can you answer one simple bit for me, before i have to go to work.

Did nathan or Shabby join in ife's armwrestling?

I honestly didnt see, can't say yes or no Stoney. The shot had at least around 5 or them there, but it was a close in view and didnt show the full group.

I want to continue to give josie the benefit of the doubt altho the closer she gets to shabby the more I seem to dislike her , as i said on another thread.

I do dislike Shabby( she's always the type of inmate the producers love and I hate every year) and am probably not prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt as she has shown all thru this how devious she is imo

Like I have said before, i honestly think you have the wrong HMs labelled as 'devious', considering how Ben has been choosing to play his game so far.

[vesavius]

If Ben were to win all the tasks,it would still not be good enough for some,as they just need SOMETHING,ANYTHING,to have a pop at simply because they don't like him,we get it ,we dont need telling in every post,I like Ben and until he does something that warrants my dislike that will be how it stays

As usual Kaz, you demonstrate you don't actually get it at all, so I will continue pointing it out to you if thats ok? :joker:

[calyman]

he did try though with the arm wrestling task but come on what a daft task we should of known it wouldnt be easy to get alll the hm's suitcases back :rolleyes: but how the hell could he get the lazy hm's to do soemthing as random as that?? especially something like that where non of them had any interest whatsoever . but he gave us some laughs with tree of temp that was hilarious! . but whats his punishment going to be?????? :shocked:

I enjoyed listening to his "street talk" with the TOT, he is extremely good at "street"

[Visage]

and it seemed in character for Ife a few hours later? c'mon...

we need to stop making excuses for him, admit that he hardly tried, failed the house, and move on.

He is just the Give Up King.

I wasn't making excuses for him:conf:

[Kate..]

I felt bad for him when he was like I suggested an arm wrestling match and shabby was like "No way am I doing that" i was like o godddd haha poor guy

[Peter Plunker]

I've seen more 'go' in a sick note. Ben didn't even try.

[stoney]

I honestly didnt see, can't say yes or no Stoney. The shot had at least around 5 or them there, but it was a close in view and didnt show the full group.



Like I have said before, i honestly think you have the wrong HMs labelled as 'devious', considering how Ben has been choosing to play his game so far.

ta for the answer ves. I'm sure you would agree tho that IF, and I know its a big if, Nathan and Shabby DID join in then my point about them not being prepared to do the "competition" simply cos it was Ben that was asking is very valid

He could have went to dave and mario first as they would have went along with him but he chose to see if team Shabby would want to.

I would have went to steve first meself but we all work differently

nathan closed it down straight away, which actually surprised me, and prob Ben, cos I thought it would be the sort of thing Nathan would do. Shabby made it abandantly clear there was no way she would do it if it was him asking. So he knew there was no point trying further as he had to get ALL inmate to compete.

As I have said to you before I just dont see Ben's deviousness, he talks too much and tries to fill the silences and that is where he puts his foot in it. That means he says a lot more than most of the rest. If he was as devious as some of you make out he would not keep getting caught out over it and he would not be as honest with his views as he is. Altho he is under the impression that the people he is talking with, his friends( altho JJ still acts that way while nominating him), are being as open and honest as he is.

But it would not be the first time or the last time that I have got it wrong.

still want shabby out tonight but i expect it will be the pretend love interest instaed tho:bawling:

EDIT. I also really believe that Ben is not playing any game and has no gameplan. he is just being his open honest trusting self unlike some others. But we will all see in time

[Frank E]

I am sorry, I don't buy that.

The task, as proven, was very achievable. He just couldnt be arsed to make the effort? I mean... asking twice and then giving up?

Weak :(

You can't say that every time a Hm fails a task it wasnt possible, just because you like that HM. There really was no 'set up'... thats just rationalisation for his feckless failure.

If he really is that unpopular in the house, to the point people reject ideas just because they are his, then maybe people should be asking why that is... Everyone has earned their current social place in that house by their actions, for better or worse, right?

The truth is the man simply has no backbone.

I think that's his biggest failing. I think he is quite negative on himself or maybe lazy.

He perhaps hasn't had to work for or work things out for himself very much given his upbringing (probably set up in his internation role through the FCO old boy network) so doesn't have the personal drive or self motivation people dragged up have.

His other is his relatively montonous voice which doesn't captivate listeners but instead comes across as whiney. He has had episodes of whineyness as a result of him failing to stick up for himself, when he coul have easily justified his actions. In this respect he is the polar opposite of Shabby..

[vesavius]

EDIT. I also really believe that Ben is not playing any game and has no gameplan. he is just being his open honest trusting self unlike some others. But we will all see in time

You need to tell Mario that... his once best friend has just accused him of the very opposite on LF.

[vesavius]

lol at what Ben said on the HL show as well...

First he tries to represent to the other other HMs that he was asked to do something 'nasty' (lie), and then he fails to tell them he was doing it for their suitcases (lie by omission). Ever the politician eh Ben?

"...it was a combination of laziness and... couldnt be arsed'

Why do you all continue to struggle to find the good in this spineless selfish numbnuts? :joker:

[vesavius]

lol at what Ben said on the HL show as well...

First he tries to represent to the other other HMs that he was asked to do something 'nasty' (lie), and then he fails to tell them he was doing it for their suitcases (lie by omission). Ever the politician eh Ben?

"...it was a combination of laziness and... couldnt be arsed'

Why do you all continue to struggle to find the good in this spineless selfish numbnuts? :joker:

Worth pointing out that this, in bold, is exactly what the other HMs are accusing Ben of on LF right now :joker: