Crap I'm starting to like Nathan a lot now

[Alpertinator]

He knows what he's on about. He's really throwin' it all down 'ere. Great debate, and yeah man Ben really is kinda' like a politician. Very much so. Nathan has got him squirming and back pedalling. I'm really dissapointed in Ben cos' I really liked him to start with but he just keeps putting himself in it, and I'm liking him less and less.

I declared my contempt for Nathan when he was too harsh and petty and pretty pathetic with the Sunshine crisps situation, but no, this guy is okay. Really. I think to be honest he just didn't like Sunshine and yeah he was out of hand, if he doesn't like somebody he can perhaps come off as too willing to make an issue with them.

Nathans' okay... I guess.

[Claymores]

I'm just liking him at the moment for ripping the p1sh oot of the out-of-touch toff !!!!!!!!

[Alpertinator]

I feel fickle :sad:

Nathan really pissed me off with how he was to Sunshine though. I think he just instantly decided he didn't like her cos' she comes off as a bit of an upper class spoilt lass.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Dont go to the dark side young ones.

[vesavius]

Great debate, and yeah man Ben really is kinda' like a politician. Very much so.

The scales are starting to fall away from your eyes :joker:

[Alpertinator]

You mean Camomile?

[Claymores]

Nathan : "It's not all Pimms and croquet" :joker:

Good line!

[Shasown]

Nathan : "It's not all Pimms and croquet" :joker:

Good line!

Best one liner so far

[Stacey.]

Gone off him tonight after what he was calling Shabby.

[Claymores]

Dont go to the dark side young ones.

(Cor I ain't been called that in decades :hugesmile: )


Ben: "Nathan is highly intelligent"

Every time that plonk Benny-boy opens his toffee trap, he just sounds more ridiculous!

[DrunkerThanMoses]

(Cor I ain't been called that in decades :hugesmile: )


Ben: "Nathan is highly intelligent"

Every time that plonk Benny-boy opens his toffee trap, he just sounds more ridiculous!

Sorry Older ones :p

[WOMBAI]

I feel fickle :sad:

Nathan really pissed me off with how he was to Sunshine though. I think he just instantly decided he didn't like her cos' she comes off as a bit of an upper class spoilt lass.

You are!

[Chels]

Good lad :thumbs: I didn't see it but I read about it and it sounds like he owned him. Rapidly going off Ben as well, same predicament as you really. Plus it was hilarious what Nathan called Shabby, he's really worked her out.

[MrGaryy]

I personally think Nathan is just a over zealous, loud, ignorant brute with an inflated sense of self importance and authority.

[fruit_cake]

Gone off him tonight after what he was calling Shabby.

I never liked him anyway, but like him even less now.. why don't people just leave Shabby alone and give her a chance?

[vesavius]

Good lad :thumbs: I didn't see it but I read about it and it sounds like he owned him. Rapidly going off Ben as well, same predicament as you really. Plus it was hilarious what Nathan called Shabby, he's really worked her out.

Your support of Nathan I could understand Chels, but Ben... that one always confused me with you.

You have always seemed too smart from your posts to fall for his horsesh1t (or indeed the crap of the dorks from DS that come here just in order to promote him)

[Kazanne]

I'm just liking him at the moment for ripping the p1sh oot of the out-of-touch toff !!!!!!!!

LOL,he didn't rip the pish though did he?he showed himself up to be an ignorant chav,,Ben back peddled purely because Nathan was getting stroppy and about to burst a blood vessel,Ben showed much more dignity by letting Nathan THINK he was right,some people you just have to humour and Nathan is one of them

[Chels]

I never liked him anyway, but like him even less now.. why don't people just leave Shabby alone and give her a chance?

"A turbulent mardy-arsed little bitch"

Sorry but that was spot on. I noticed she was doing a load of arselicking on LF last night so she won't be nominated either.

[WOMBAI]

Nathan belongs on the Jeremy Kyle show - he thinks he can shout his way to winning an argument! Not in my book sunshine!

[fruit_cake]

He looks really angry all the time to me, and is pretty self-righteous. Still, maybe there is a good side to him somewhere.

[Chels]

LOL,he didn't rip the pish though did he?he showed himself up to be an ignorant chav,,Ben back peddled purely because Nathan was getting stroppy and about to burst a blood vessel,Ben showed much more dignity by letting Nathan THINK he was right,some people you just have to humour and Nathan is one of them

Pmsfl what a load of horse turd. Ben was sh*tting his pants, he couldn't deal with Nathan's points. And I'm not suprised at how pissed off Nat was, he got very defensive over Steve, who Ben basically insulted.

[fruit_cake]

"A turbulent mardy-arsed little bitch"

Sorry but that was spot on. I noticed she was doing a load of arselicking on LF last night so she won't be nominated either.

Shabby's emotions have been played with all along in that house, she's been completely honest about her feelings all along, unlike Nathan who wouldn't know what a feeling was if it smacked him round the face!! all he seems to know to express is anger so far...

[Harry!]

Poor you.

[Stacey.]

I never liked him anyway, but like him even less now.. why don't people just leave Shabby alone and give her a chance?

Yeah, exactly. She was sort of saying this on Live Feed last night to Dave in the bathroom. She said in the outside world, her friends would call her up and be like 'Hey Shabbs, what's up?' And here she said she feels like a complete loser.

[Chels]

Your support of Nathan I could understand Chels, but Ben... that one always confused me with you.

You have always seemed too smart from your posts to fall for his horsesh1t (or indeed the crap of the dorks from DS that come here just in order to promote him)

Hmm, as stupid as this sounds I don't know why I like him either. Don't get me wrong he has some cracking one liners, but other things he does piss me off big time. Like not trying in the tasks and bitching about his mates. The OTT support on here and on DS is really putting me off him now as well, as soon as anyone dares speak their mind to Saint Ben they're automatically hated! :rolleyes:

[stonedape]

They were both talking out of their ass in the political debate, but I'm not expecting much more politically from BB contestants. At least Nathan did something, which moves him .000000000001% above Steve. Congrats NATHAN!

[Claymores]

Pmsfl what a load of horse turd. Ben was sh*tting his pants, he couldn't deal with Nathan's points. And I'm not suprised at how pissed off Nat was, he got very defensive over Steve, who Ben basically insulted.

:thumbs:

That's why I commented above that Ben's line "Nathan is highly intelligent" made me haugh at the toffee-nosed twerp.

This line came-out solely because Nathan had just wiped the floor with him over his ludicrous statements. And everybody knew it.

I'm seriously thinking of putting Nathan's line in my signature "It's not all Pimms and croquet"

[vesavius]

They were both talking out of their ass in the political debate, but I'm not expecting much more politically from BB contestants. At least Nathan did something, which moves him .000000000001% above Steve. Congrats NATHAN!

yeah, he said a lot of good stuff in all that against Ben's pro establishment 'politicians should be allowed the best' BS...

I mean, Ben was actually arguing for MPs right to dip the expenses like they have been doing. He is exactly the same political animal that has been stealing from us and lieing about it for decades.... disgusting.

(Just for the record, that was to the tune of £10,000,000 in the last 6 months alone of 2009. Think about that as they cut your local services.)

[Chels]

:thumbs:

That's why I commented above that Ben's line "Nathan is highly intelligent" made me haugh at the toffee-nosed twerp.

This line came-out solely because Nathan had just wiped the floor with him over his ludicrous statements. And everybody knew it.

I'm seriously thinking of putting Nathan's line in my signature "It's not all Pimms and croquet"

Exactly, Ben can't handle being confronted. He just quivers up in a ball and backtracks, apologizing his arse off but really he should just think before he acts. He's not as half as intelligent as he tries to make himself out to be either! Nathan's gonna be unanimously hated now, more than he already is just because he floored Saint Ben.

Haha that quote is epic, do it! :p

[WOMBAI]

I can't believe anyone could actually think Nathan could floor anyone in anything! Ha, ha!

[vesavius]

I can't believe anyone could actually think Nathan could floor anyone in anything! Ha, ha!

except he did :joker:

[WOMBAI]

except he did :joker:

Says you and a few other fans desperate to up his profile! :joker:

[Claymores]

I can't believe anyone could actually think Nathan could floor anyone in anything! Ha, ha!

He was mot exactly up against Britain's finest mind

[Chels]

I can't believe anyone could actually think Nathan could floor anyone in anything! Ha, ha!

But he did :3 get off your high horse, Ben isn't innocent.

[Chels]

Says you and a few other fans desperate to up his profile! :joker:

Upping his profile? No. He won the debate. And says YOU who can't see no wrong in Ben!

[vesavius]

Says you and a few other fans desperate to up his profile! :joker:

lol no, Im not a Nathan fan.. ask Chels, I have criticised him myself... but I watched the exchange.

He destroyed Ben, even Dave was craking up at Bens pathetic floundering

It was great TV :joker:

[fruit_cake]

he 'destroyed' Ben?? wow, what a great guy..

[Chels]

he 'destroyed' Ben?? wow, what a great guy..

Not confidence-wise, but debate-wise. Everyone was on Nathan's side, even Mario :eek:

[vesavius]

he 'destroyed' Ben?? wow, what a great guy..

... in the argument, obviously.

lol you Ben fanbois are as twisty and manipulative in your language as he is :joker:

Are you really at this point in your scrabbling around to hype Ben and put Nathan down? :joker:

[WOMBAI]

Upping his profile? No. He won the debate. And says YOU who can't see no wrong in Ben!

I am not exactly a fan of Ben, but I think he is ok - so that is quite frankly bollocks! I defend him when people are being unreasonable and unfair! And there has been a lot of that going on! Who says he won the debate - you, and a few others - doesn't make it so! Shouting doesn't win you anything! Maybe Ben simply, and rather sensibly, avoided yet another confrontation!

[Chels]

... in the argument, obviously.

lol you Ben fanbois are as twisty and manipulative in your language as he is :joker:

Are you really at this point in your scrabbling around to hype Ben and put Nathan down? :joker:

All Ben fans hate Nathan, look at DS. It's because he's the only one who had the balls to tell him what he thinks. I don't think Nathan is as hated by the public as they would like to think either :D he could be a hero to the common man tonight.

[joeysteele]

I never could understand why Nathan for no good reason at all nominated Ben in the very first week,since then Nathan has skulked around in the Litchem moaning at Sunshine and Shabby but I always felt he had a dark side,
For me the housemates were both pleased that Ben that won the task on friday night but also they were taken aback at how well the crowd were for him and seemed to like him so much.
Since then there has been a BB discredit Ben campaign, okay the lad talks posh, he is clearly educated and he is also overall a good guy with his principles and own opinions, he believes he is right,he has the right to express those opinions and others have the right to disagree, that doesnt mean Ben is wrong, bad or anything negative.
I have lttle doubt he will be up for eviction this week because BB wnat him to be, the housemates have been made to turn against him and I was stunned at Steve who fought in the forces for free speech and the right to it to be so mad with someone who held a different view to his.Unbelievable
Back to Nathan, I always felt there was a dark side to Nathan and he thinks by doing his cooking,keeping out the way and making few controversial comments at all thta he would just rise in the publics esteem, having seen Ben get a great reception from the crowd on friday,Ben is now Nathans target to discredit too.
Dont be fooled people, Ben is a great guy and as for Mario well the bunny boiler has got what was coming,again Ben has always said he would be a friend to him,NOTHING MORE EVER, he has been open and clear,MARIO is now mad to see he will get nowhere the way he wants to with Ben so even he will turn on him too.
Its all bullying, from BB too against Ben and he needs the public this week I fear who hopefully can look at it again and see he is being discredited unfairly by BB and really get behind Ben and support him this week, he deserves that after his presentation to the public on friday, something John James would have fallen flat on hos face doing.
Dont turn against Ben for being true to himself and not presenting himself as something he is not, like most others in there,look at the nes who are totally false to their true natures and then are trying to say its others who are the false ones.Get behind Ben, he is the good guy there surrounded by vicious snakes.

[Chels]

I am not exactly a fan of Ben, but I think he is ok - so that is quite frankly bollocks! I defend him when people are being unreasonable and unfair! And there has been a lot of that going on! Who says he won the debate - you, and a few others - doesn't make it so! Shouting doesn't win you anything! Maybe Ben simply, and rather sensibly, avoided yet another confrontation!

Serious? As whenever I see you posting about him you're always up his arsecrack. And if you saw it/read about it, Nathan clearly won. Ben just shat himself, back peddling because he knew he'd put himself in it, not avoiding confrontation.

[MrGaryy]

Oh dear Lord. Anyone who can't see what an utter fool Nathan made of himself in that debate are deluding themselves

[Chels]

^ and ROFL at the post up there. Can't you just accept Nathan didn't agree with his views? Bloody hell, this Ben bumming is driving me insane.

[fruit_cake]

... in the argument, obviously.

lol you Ben fanbois are as twisty and manipulative in your language as he is :joker:

Are you really at this point in your scrabbling around to hype Ben and put Nathan down? :joker:

i quite like Ben, i wouldn't go any further than that.. frankly, Nathan at the moment is quite scary... I guess if it looks, acts and shouts like a caveman.. it probably is a caveman??? I hope we see a bit more compassion from him but im not holding my breath

[Chels]

Oh dear Lord. Anyone who can't see what an utter fool Nathan made of himself in that debate are deluding themselves

Ben fans think he can't do no wrong. I like the guy but I accept and know when he's done something stupid and criticise him for it. Nathan stood up for the common man, and won.

[WOMBAI]

Serious? As whenever I see you posting about him you're always up his arsecrack. And if you saw it/read about it, Nathan clearly won. Ben just shat himself, back peddling because he knew he'd put himself in it, not avoiding confrontation.

Sorry but that sounds like something out of Jackanory - no way Ben would shat himself about anything Nathan had to say - that is just pie in the sky - and a very hefty dose of wishful thinking! :joker:

[fruit_cake]

Ben fans think he can't do no wrong. I like the guy but I accept and know when he's done something stupid and criticise him for it. Nathan stood up for the common man, and won.

If Nathan is the common man, i'm emigrating to Antartica.. the further the better..

[WOMBAI]

^ and ROFL at the post up there. Can't you just accept Nathan didn't agree with his views? Bloody hell, this Ben bumming is driving me insane.

Exactly the same can be said of all this Nathan bumming! :joker:

[MrGaryy]

Ben fans think he can't do no wrong. I like the guy but I accept and know when he's done something stupid and criticise him for it. Nathan stood up for the common man, and won.

Oh no gurl, he really didn't. He just showed himself up as a childish brute trying to talk with the adults and failing terribly. And that's not even coming from someone who particularly supports Ben.

[Chels]

If Nathan is the common man, i'm emigrating to Antartica.. the further the better..

Oooooh mature. Get a fooking grip.

[Chels]

Oh no gurl, he really didn't. He just showed himself up as a childish brute trying to talk with the adults and failing terribly. And that's not even coming from someone who particularly supports Ben.

With the adults? Funnily enough Ben is just as immature as Nathan. He is nowhere near as intelligent as he thinks he is as well.

[MrBlack]

Nathan..is a compulsive
scratcher.

[MrGaryy]

With the adults? Funnily enough Ben is just as immature as Nathan. He is nowhere near as intelligent as he thinks he is as well.

By his own admission he's not intelligent but he is very knowledgable. Nathan just really embarrassed himself picking up on one point Ben made, in Nathan's typical 'everything is black and white way', trying to be this man of the people and really ended up looking pretty pathetic, having to stand up and tower over Ben trying to regain some of his ego while Ben sat.

[vesavius]

Nathan..is a compulsive
scratcher.

did make me lol :joker:

[WOMBAI]

Nathan is a common man alright - but in a very Jeremy Kyle kinda way!

[Chels]

By his own admission he's not intelligent but he is very knowledgable. Nathan just really embarrassed himself picking up on one point Ben made, in Nathan's typical 'everything is black and white way', trying to be this man of the people and really ended up looking pretty pathetic, having to stand up and tower over Ben trying to regain some of his ego while Ben sat.

His 'knowledge' made him look like an absolute kent in my eyes yesterday. He's entitled to his opinion but I didn't agree with it, but most Ben supporters will just use this as an excuse to hate another HM who dares stand up to him. Thing is, Nathan's points is what most of the political public would agree with, like the expenses scandal. Only because he's not an eloquent talker you're saying he looked pathetic, but his intentions were right. Ben was angering him, that's why he stood up and got in his face, he basically insulted war heroes while one was sat in the same room! Even Dave was on Nathan's side.

[MrGaryy]

His 'knowledge' made him look like an absolute kent in my eyes yesterday. He's entitled to his opinion but I didn't agree with it, but most Ben supporters will just use this as an excuse to hate another HM who dares stand up to him. Thing is, Nathan's points is what most of the political public would agree with, like the expenses scandal. Only because he's not an eloquent talker you're saying he looked pathetic, but his intentions were right. Ben was angering him, that's why he stood up and got in his face, he basically insulted war heroes while one was sat in the same room! Even Dave was on Nathan's side.

Well it wasn't Nathan's business to get mad at Ben. Ben was just expressing his opinion, whether or not Nathan agreed with it is irrelevant, he showed himself up as being really lame in an argument if he has to resort to squaring up to the guy just because he disagrees. And while his intentions may have been right in their very core, they were blind and ignorant and as I said came from his 'black and white' mindset.

And for the record, I don't dislike him because of this incident. It's mostly because I find him to be one of the most mind numbingly dull people in there and also, petty as it may be, find his kitchen hygiene a little revolting. His foul mouth and insensitive comments towards Shabby and Sunshine have done little to endear him to me either. Plus anyone who publicly states Govan is one of his favourite housemates is obviously a really poor judge of character.

[vesavius]

Well it wasn't Nathan's business to get mad at Ben. Ben was just expressing his opinion, whether or not Nathan agreed with it is irrelevant, he showed himself up as being really lame in an argument if he has to resort to squaring up to the guy just because he disagrees. And while his intentions may have been right in their very core, they were blind and ignorant and as I said came from his 'black and white' mindset.

And for the record, I don't dislike him because of this incident. It's mostly because I find him to be one of the most mind numbingly dull people in there and also, petty as it may be, find his kitchen hygiene a little revolting.

Yes, the fact that you don't like Nathan generally is very evident in your biased interpretation of the argument.

As for 'squaring up'... He just didnt so just **** with that lol.

[MrGaryy]

Yes, the fact that you don't like Nathan generally is very evident in your biased interpretation of the argument.

As for 'squaring up'... He just didnt so just **** with that lol.

It was a perfectly civilised chat up until the point of his involvement, he couldn't handle such an intelligent level of conversation so had to resort to all he knew - debating via intimidating the opponent. quite a sad characteristic really.

[Chels]

Yes, the fact that you don't like Nathan generally is very evident in your biased interpretation of the argument.

As for 'squaring up'... He just didnt so just **** with that lol.

This, basically lol. You beat me to it :p

And he can't be that bad at judging people if he had Shabby spot on yesterday. If it was Ben who said that everyone would be falling all over themselves to lick his crack.

[WOMBAI]

Yes, the fact that you don't like Nathan generally is very evident in your biased interpretation of the argument.

As for 'squaring up'... He just didnt so just **** with that lol.

A clear case of pot and kettle! :sleep: Just as your dislike of Ben is evident in your biased interpretation! More people appear to like Ben than Nathan - believe it or not - there are usually valid reasons for that! :hugesmile:

[Chels]

It was a perfectly civilised chat up until the point of his involvement, he couldn't handle such an intelligent level of conversation so had to resort to all he knew - debating via intimidating the opponent. quite a sad characteristic really.

Intelligent :joker: all Ben did was make himself look a stuck up, thoughtless twat IMO.

[MrGaryy]

This, basically lol. You beat me to it :p

And he can't be that bad at judging people if he had Shabby spot on yesterday. If it was Ben who said that everyone would be falling all over themselves to lick his crack.

I wouldn't say running his foul mouth about someone hours away from an impending eviction who is a stressful person at the best of times is exactly 'spot on'.

[WOMBAI]

It was a perfectly civilised chat up until the point of his involvement, he couldn't handle such an intelligent level of conversation so had to resort to all he knew - debating via intimidating the opponent. quite a sad characteristic really.

This!

[Chels]

A clear case of pot and kettle! :sleep: Just as your dislike of Ben is evident in your biased interpretation! More people appear to like Ben than Nathan - believe it or not - there are usually valid reasons for that! :hugesmile:

That's not neccissarily true. Do you know the entire public yeah? I don't think Nathan is as hated as you'd like to think as well - remember who the sterotypical BB viewers are.

[Chels]

I wouldn't say running his foul mouth about someone hours away from an impending eviction who is a stressful person at the best of times is exactly 'spot on'.

"A turbulent mardy-arsed bitch" seemed a fair assumption to me. Steve and Dave also agreed.

[MrGaryy]

That's not neccissarily true. Do you know the entire public yeah? I don't think Nathan is as hated as you'd like to think as well - remember who the sterotypical BB viewers are.

in all fairness, she never implied Nathan was hated, just that Ben is more popular, which evidently is true judging by the TiBB and DS polls, both of which place Ben miles ahead of the other housemates. The DS poll coincidentally actually places Nathan at the very bottom of the Most Favourite Housemate poll, the TiBB poll places him second to last.

[chuff me dizzy]

Nathan is new worst hm8 now Scumshine has gone,biggest gameplayer and total ar$eh0le

[WOMBAI]

That's not neccissarily true. Do you know the entire public yeah? I don't think Nathan is as hated as you'd like to think as well - remember who the sterotypical BB viewers are.

Well, with this being the final year and all, hopefully there are more viewers who fall outside of the 'drama loving teen/repulsive caveman lover' bracket voting for the more interesting hms to stay!

[Chels]

in all fairness, she never implied Nathan was hated, just that Ben is more popular, which evidently is true judging by the TiBB and DS polls, both of which place Ben miles ahead of the other housemates. The DS poll coincidentally actually places Nathan at the very bottom of the Most Favourite Housemate poll, the TiBB poll places him second to last.

Yeah I know she didn't say that, but she's basically posted before that he's hated by the public. And forum polls don't represent the entire public - where was Sophie on the polls this time last year?

[Kazanne]

A clear case of pot and kettle! :sleep: Just as your dislike of Ben is evident in your biased interpretation! More people appear to like Ben than Nathan - believe it or not - there are usually valid reasons for that! :hugesmile:

lol,nice one Wombai,the anti Ben brigade are desperately trying(very trying) you got to give them that.I like Ben a lot and that will not change unless I want it to.

[MrGaryy]

Yeah I know she didn't say that, but she's basically posted before that he's hated by the public. And forum polls don't represent the entire public - where was Sophie on the polls this time last year?

I don't know, probably about middle to the bottom, which would make sense seeing as had the winner been announced on Day 26, Sophie would not have won. Just because results change over the course of the series does not make the polls inaccurate.

[Chels]

Well, with this being the final year and all, hopefully there are more viewers who fall outside of the 'drama loving teen/repulsive caveman lover' bracket voting for the more interesting hms to stay!

If you haven't already noticed, the ratings are just as bad as last years, maybe slightly better. So no, its's just the typical viewers.

[WOMBAI]

Yeah I know she didn't say that, but she's basically posted before that he's hated by the public. And forum polls don't represent the entire public - where was Sophie on the polls this time last year?

He is not a well liked hm - however you try to dress it up! Never likely to be either - this is the final series - it deserves a deserving winner!

[Chels]

I don't know, probably about middle to the bottom, which would make sense seeing as had the winner been announced on Day 26, Sophie would not have won. Just because results change over the course of the series does not make the polls inaccurate.

That's sort of my point - Freddie was raping the polls as was Ben at this point and look what happened to him! Ben's ego will end up as big as his hair eventually.

[MrGaryy]

That's sort of my point - Freddie was raping the polls as was Ben at this point and look what happened to him! Ben's ego will end up as big as his hair eventually.

Well then I think your point is a tad misguided seeing as I never implied that Ben would win just that he was clearly vastly more popular than Nathan.

[Chels]

He is not a well liked hm - however you try to dress it up! Never likely to be either - this is the final series - it deserves a deserving winner!

Did I say he was? No. And how do you know whether he'll end up being liked or not? Sophie from last year was a prime example of this.

[Chels]

Well then I think your point is a tad misguided seeing as I never implied that Ben would win just that he was clearly vastly more popular than Nathan.

I knew that's what you were trying to say and I didn't disagree. I was taking the point from where you said the "polls may not be correct but they're accurate" or something like that, I cba to go back and look.

[MrBlack]

ppl should relax at arguing over Nathan.

and just look at him. and laugh.

[WOMBAI]

Did I say he was? No. And how do you know whether he'll end up being liked or not? Sophie from last year was a prime example of this.

And in most people's book - she wasn't a deserving winner! We want a strong, clear-cut winner, if poss, an indiviudal with a personality and that definitely isn't Nathan!

[Chels]

And in most people's book - she wasn't a deserving winner! We want a strong, clear-cut winner, if poss, an indiviudal with a personality and that definitely isn't Nathan!

We haven't even seen him properly yet, still too early to judge certain people I think. Steve and Ife included.

[vesavius]

We haven't even seen him properly yet, still too early to judge certain people I think. Steve and Ife included.

Nathan and even Steve are starting to grow as personalities as more leave.

I am not a supporter of his to win, but I am glad he has stopped his radar dodging now and is taking some risks by getting involved.

He has more to give I think, unlike someone like Corin that is still very much on the low down in an effort to get to the end.

[Braden]

I'm disliking him more now, he's turning into an arrogant bore. He's obviously gutted that he doesn't have Josie so he's getting angry

[Amhuinn]

I don't have to hate Ben to like Nathan and liking Nathan doesn't meant that I think he will win, or that I agree with everything he does. I just like him (mostly). I still also quite like Ben.

I do think that people are very hypocritical when it comes to judging Nathan though. They tend to apply a rigid negative filter to his every word and action. He is judged by his appearance and how he speaks, rather than the content of what he is saying. Whilst Ben speaks in the manner of a politician and is able to use eloquent language in a manner which obscures its meaning.

Ben might have had some relevent points and Nathan some overly simplistic ones, but I do feel that Nathan's political point of view corresponds more closely with my own beliefs.