I have changed my mind, he is just lovely

[Tamtam]

I was put off David when I started watching because of his god stuff, but I have really started to like him. He just seems so funny loyal and forgiving (which he would have to be to have ben as a friend I guess!) and has been great to watch for me to see him go from zero to hero with the house.

It would be lovely to see him go on and do well in this, maybe even win it. it would be so good to see someone with a good heart and is also funny win the crown for the final big brother. I honestly would have strangled ben by now if i had to live with him! Dave is sooo patient!

I see that ben is BBs fav right now and is getting all their love with how he is shown but that wont last forever, and when they put new housemates in they may have seen who he really is, so I really think dave has a chance at this if BB show him to be the kind man he is!

anyway, i looked through and there didnt see to be many positive posts about him so i thought i would make one :)

[MaratSafinForever]

I think Dave is hilarious, I don't relate to him through his religious beliefs, however. But that makes 0 difference to me, he's a decent guy and I actually thought it was funny as hell when he was "hammered drunk" reading that bible.

[Kazanne]

I like Ben but I like Dave too,he does seem kind and they both will sit and talk things out with people

[Chels]

Dave :love:

[Mystic Mock]

ive grown to tollorate him more but i find him boring as hell.

[fruit_cake]

he's got a monotonal voice

[Julesuk]

Sorry dont agree, not saying he is a bad person but needs to drop the drunk on gods love bit, gets toooo much, and cant believe Ben is favourite I think the pair compliment eachother. Cannot get my head round Ben refusing his punishment then Dave accepting it almost like they need eachother, do feel like Ben maybe using Dave more than the otherway round. If Bens favourtite I am obviously misinterpreting everything he says and does. Not fans of either find it all a bit strange all this hugging - they probably wouldnt entertain eachother on the outside.

[big_bother]

Daves great. Atleast he has character. Why cant people laugh about him getting drunk on the love of our lord, and not take it so seriously?!

[fruit_cake]

i think its hilarious, he even looks drunk as well

[WOMBAI]

Liked Dave from the start - obviously an individual and funny with it!

[BOOSH]

Dave is awesome :)

[InOne]

Yep, Dave is cool. He seems one of the most honest in there.

[lol]

I've always liked Dave.
Great guy.

[hotleggs]

dave is a fat useless ***** with ugly hair , wish he would swallow the bible

[WOMBAI]

I was put off David when I started watching because of his god stuff, but I have really started to like him. He just seems so funny loyal and forgiving (which he would have to be to have ben as a friend I guess!) and has been great to watch for me to see him go from zero to hero with the house.

It would be lovely to see him go on and do well in this, maybe even win it. it would be so good to see someone with a good heart and is also funny win the crown for the final big brother. I honestly would have strangled ben by now if i had to live with him! Dave is sooo patient!

I see that ben is BBs fav right now and is getting all their love with how he is shown but that wont last forever, and when they put new housemates in they may have seen who he really is, so I really think dave has a chance at this if BB show him to be the kind man he is!

anyway, i looked through and there didnt see to be many positive posts about him so i thought i would make one :)

You'll have Fingers on your back now trying to get you to read his link to websites and videos about Dave! He is on a mission! :joker:

Btw - I agree with you - I think he is a nice guy!

[Hero1]

Dave is the creepiest guy ever, but to run a cult you haveto be. You have to know how to read people's body language, convince them to give up money and trust in you. This what Dave is doing somewhat in the house, he is very creepy.

He is truly like a snake, he is snaking and slithering his way around the house, Nathan sussed him at first, but he managed to breadown Nathan in the end...shame.

Watch him, if two peopl are alone, he would slide up, slyly copy what they are doing and weasle his way in.

[WOMBAI]

Dave is the creepiest guy ever, but to run a cult you haveto be. You have to know how to read people's body language, convince them to give up money and trust in you. This what Dave is doing somewhat in the house, he is very creepy.

He is truly like a snake, he is snaking and slithering his way around the house, Nathan sussed him at first, but he managed to breadown Nathan in the end...shame.

Watch him, if two peopl are alone, he would slide up, slyly copy what they are doing and weasle his way in.

Prove his group is a 'cult' with sinister motives! If you can't - then your comments are opinion, nothing more!

[Hero1]

Prove his group is a 'cult' with sinister motives! If you can't - then your comments are opinion, nothing more!

Most people collecting money " in the name of the message of God" who are not in your standard church or Mosques, have usually started cults.

Now if he is in a church with a roof to repair, or a vast bulk of his collection money has not gone on his fancy hair do's and big guts, but to the community or the poor...as any good minister would do, I would take it all back.

But I would doubt I would have to.

[flamingGalah!]

His cult is very sinister as Dave leads vulnerable people to believe he can cure them of fatal illness etc... He gets people to hand over money for this too...

[Jords]

We :love: Dave.

[Angus]

Dave has grown on me quite a bit, I like his sense of the ridiculous and I imagine I could have a good laugh with him. The only thing is when he joins others in taking the p*ss out of Ben sometimes, but since Ben doesn't seem that bothered, why should I be?

[reece(:]

Dave is a mad man, basically.

[Peter Plunker]

His cult is very sinister as Dave leads vulnerable people to believe he can cure them of fatal illness etc... He gets people to hand over money for this too...


Proof?

You have none because there is none.

[flamingGalah!]

Proof?

You have none because there is none.

Do you deny that he claims to be able to cure people of such things as cancer (he has said this on BB) ??

Do you deny that he receives donations from members of his "congregation" ??

The proof is in what he has said himself on TV...

[InOne]

http://www.foxnews.com/images/495625/1_61_012409_koresh.jpg

I heard he is a distant relation :shocked:

[Peter Plunker]

Do you deny that he claims to be able to cure people of such things as cancer (he has said this on BB) ??

Do you deny that he receives donations from members of his "congregation" ??

The proof is in what he has said himself on TV...
Do we have to go through this every day?

[flamingGalah!]

Do we have to go through this every day?

You can't deny it can you...

Thank you. :)

[Zippy]

His fake laughter and OTT bubbliness. Annoying.

As is his sudden playfullness with Caoimhe. Both acting fake to save each other from eviction.

I don't even need to start with the bible stuff...

[BB_Eye]

I lost all respect for him after that business with Steve's leg offering to take it out of the prize money (Shabby was just as bad, mind you). It was so low.

He's an excellent gameplayer though, credit where credit is due.

[Chels]

We :love: Dave.

Dave's fanbois :love:

[chuff me dizzy]

NO WAY ,he cons cancer patients ,should never have been allowed on bb to spew his bile

[chuff me dizzy]

His fake laughter and OTT bubbliness. Annoying.

As is his sudden playfullness with Caoimhe. Both acting fake to save each other from eviction.

I don't even need to start with the bible stuff...

"Fake bubbliness" says you with a photo of Corin !!! pot ......kettle ?

[WOMBAI]

You can't deny it can you...

Thank you. :)

I think the onus of proof lies with you, the prosecution! :hugesmile:

[vesavius]

The New Ecstatics are a cult that deliberately and cynically targets vulnerable groups (with specific laungauge such as 'raves', jacked up', 'drunk') and solicits donations based on unproven claims of the supernatural and channeling God to heal.

As the head of this cult Dave is in the house promoting it and I personally have a problem with that.

I also personally hate their core message of 'don't think, don't do anything, just get drunk'.

The selling of God's power, if it exists, as just another intoxicant and to be used solely for personal ends seems a perverse twisting of the Bible to me.

[Shasown]

Do you deny that he claims to be able to cure people of such things as cancer (he has said this on BB) ??

Do you deny that he receives donations from members of his "congregation" ??

The proof is in what he has said himself on TV...

He hasnt claimed to be able to heal or cure anyone, he says God can heal and cure etc.

People donating is totally different than him charging money for or even asking for money for a service(healing).

Under the Consumer Protection laws that were extended last year to falsely claim a service like healing and receive payment for would render him liable to prosecution. There is no get out clause for religious based claims either.

[chuff me dizzy]

The New Ecstatics are a cult that deliberately and cynically targets vulnerable groups (with specific laungauge such as 'raves', jacked up', 'drunk') and solicits donations based on unproven claims of the supernatural and channeling God to heal.

As the head of this cult Dave is in the house promoting it and I personally have a problem with that.

I also personally hate their core message of 'don't think, don't do anything, just get drunk'.

The selling of God's power, if it exists, as just another intoxicant and to be used solely for personal ends seems a perverse twisting of the Bible to me.

Totally agree ,why is he allowed in there so raise cash for a sick cult ?

[WOMBAI]

The New Ecstatics are a cult that deliberately and cynically targets vulnerable groups (with specific laungauge such as 'raves', jacked up', 'drunk') and solicits donations based on unproven claims of the supernatural and channeling God to heal.

As the head of this cult Dave is in the house promoting it and I personally have a problem with that.

I also personally hate their core message of 'don't think, don't do anything, just get drunk'.

The selling of God's power, if it exists, as just another intoxicant and to be used solely for personal ends seems a perverse twisting of the Bible to me.

He is a contestant on a game show - you're not interviewing him for a job fgs!

I had never heard of him before he went on bb - and if his group were under any kind of investigation for dubious conduct - I'm sure we would have heard about it - and he wouldn't have applied to go on bb in the first place!

[flamingGalah!]

I think the onus of proof lies with you, the prosecution! :hugesmile:

No, the proof is what the buffoon has said HIMSELF on TV! :rolleyes:

[chuff me dizzy]

He hasnt claimed to be able to heal or cure anyone, he says God can heal and cure etc.

People donating is totally different than him charging money for or even asking for money for a service(healing).

Under the Consumer Protection laws that were extended last year to falsely claim a service like healing and receive payment for would render him liable to prosecution. There is no get out clause for religious based claims either.

Utter BS !!!! HE said a woman came to one of his "shows"with a massive cancer on her face,he touched it ,next day it was gone .....HIS words not gods

[chuff me dizzy]

He is a contestant on a game show - you're not interviewing him for a job fgs!

I had never heard of him before he went on bb - and if his group were under any kind of investigation for dubious conduct - I'm sure we would have heard about it - and he wouldn't have applied to go on bb in the first place!

He is not just a "contestant on a game show" he is a contestant on a game show with an agenda to big up his fraudelent cult,who take money from cancer victims

[flamingGalah!]

He hasnt claimed to be able to heal or cure anyone, he says God can heal and cure etc.

People donating is totally different than him charging money for or even asking for money for a service(healing).

Under the Consumer Protection laws that were extended last year to falsely claim a service like healing and receive payment for would render him liable to prosecution. There is no get out clause for religious based claims either.

Lol! :joker: That's scraping the barrel a bit isn't it??

Whether it is god himself doing the curing or not, it has to go through HIM!! Dave is the one laying his "healing hands" on them...

He is preying on the sick & vulnerable by suggesting he can cure them... Of course people are going to feel obliged to give him a donation...

The man is sick.

[chuff me dizzy]

Lol! :joker: That's scraping the barrel a bit isn't it??

Whether it is god himself doing the curing or not, it has to go through HIM!! Dave is the one laying his "healing hands" on them...

He is preying on the sick & vulnerable by suggesting he can cure them... Of course people are going to feel obliged to give him a donation...

The man is sick.

Sit down Flamin .................... I love you

[flamingGalah!]

Sit down Flamin .................... I love you

Lol :joker: At last we agree on our hate of a housemate :kiss:

[Mr XcX]

DAVE is spending our DOSH!!!! Thats why!!!!!
I hate DAVE. SLYIER THAT SLYIVASH.
I think he may make it to the FINAL like Mohammed BB9!!!!!!

[vesavius]

He is a contestant on a game show - you're not interviewing him for a job fgs!

A gameshow he has entered based on his character and motivations. I reserve the right to examine them both as part of it.

I had never heard of him before he went on bb - and if his group were under any kind of investigation for dubious conduct - I'm sure we would have heard about it - and he wouldn't have applied to go on bb in the first place!

Nothing I have said about his cult is untrue though.

[Zippy]

"Fake bubbliness" says you with a photo of Corin !!! pot ......kettle ?

She doesn't roll about laughing at the slightest joke or playfight with HMs she can't stand. Thanks.

And her upbeat nature isnt fake, actually. :xyxwave:

[WOMBAI]

Lol! :joker: That's scraping the barrel a bit isn't it??

Whether it is god himself doing the curing or not, it has to go through HIM!! Dave is the one laying his "healing hands" on them...

He is preying on the sick & vulnerable by suggesting he can cure them... Of course people are going to feel obliged to give him a donation...

The man is sick.

If he really believes that - he isn't conning anyone. Lots of well-known, established religions believe in the power of God's healing - doesn't mean they are dishonest or mad! What about the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, who travel to Mecca and Lourdes every year! Of course there are a lot of Fraud's about, doesn't mean he is one of them - maybe just mis-guided and over-zealous due to his religious beliefs! Talk about a witch hunt! :nono:

[vesavius]

Totally agree ,why is he allowed in there so raise cash for a sick cult ?

I think it's because they yet havent actively broken any laws. It seems people think that if they havent then they must be ethically sound.

I don't think anyone who has done any reading of cults and how they potentiolly destroy lives (which has been historically proven) would defend the promotion of the New Ecstatics by C4.

[flamingGalah!]

She doesn't roll about laughing at the slightest joke or playfight with HMs she can't stand. Thanks.

And her upbeat nature isnt fake, actually. :xyxwave:

Or pretend to be pissed on the love of god...

[Peter Plunker]

Nothing I have said about his cult is untrue though.

Yes it is. The thing is, I know him personally and have done for ten years, you've seen him on a Tv show.

God heals people, get over it.

[Starcus]

I love him too now although I despised him in the first 2 weeks. I still really hate his drunk on god thing though, it's ridiculous.

[flamingGalah!]

Yes it is. The thing is, I know him personally and have done for ten years, you've seen him on a Tv show.

God heals people, get over it.

No he doesn't, there isn't even any evidence that he exists...

Doctors can sometimes heal people, get over it...

[chuff me dizzy]

She doesn't roll about laughing at the slightest joke or playfight with HMs she can't stand. Thanks.

And her upbeat nature isnt fake, actually. :xyxwave:

Yes she does !!! ffs

[chuff me dizzy]

Yes it is. The thing is, I know him personally and have done for ten years, you've seen him on a Tv show.

God heals people, get over it.

Utter bolox ,and i will now put you on ignore anyone who can defend a lying conman who makes money out of sick people is as low as the person who takes the money ,If God cures cancer why is my Mother laid in a graveyard ,why am I in remission with it ? you are a sicko and should not be allowed on this or any forum

[vesavius]

Yes it is. The thing is, I know him personally and have done for ten years, you've seen him on a Tv show.

God heals people, get over it.

well, you say it is and I say it isnt.

I guess people themselves will read into our posts who has the agenda and the deepest personal investment to protect.

[flamingGalah!]

Dave is at best a serious mental head case loon, who actually believes in the sh*t that he spouts... and at worst a complete con man... You decide :D

[chuff me dizzy]

Dave is at best a serious mental head case loon, who actually believes in the sh*t that he spouts... and at worst a complete con man... You decide :D

I think its the latter

[Mr XcX]

Keeley exposed him for the cheat he is. Notice how the LORDS not mentioned any more. To avoid his ass from nomination. Must take lessons from Josie.

[fruit_cake]

you are in remission? best wishes chuff if thats the case, a good friend of mine is terminally ill will cervical cancer and anyone who tries to make money out of those situations is really nasty.. i don't like Dave when caoimhe questioned him he spouted out a load of rubbish and made it look like it was her who was in the wrong i don't like him at all.

[Peter Plunker]

Utter bolox ,and i will now put you on ignore anyone who can defend a lying conman who makes money out of sick people is as low as the person who takes the money ,If God cures cancer why is my Mother laid in a graveyard ,why am I in remission with it ? you are a sicko and should not be allowed on this or any forum

My Mother's in a graveyard too, she was 57.

[Peter Plunker]

well, you say it is and I say it isnt.

I guess people themselves will read into our posts who has the agenda and the deepest personal investment to protect.

I haven't got an investment to protect.

[vesavius]

I haven't got an investment to protect.

So you say.

[chuff me dizzy]

My Mother's in a graveyard too, she was 57.

Why didnt your precious God or Dave save her ?

[Peter Plunker]

So you say.

erm, yes I do.

[chuff me dizzy]

you are in remission? best wishes chuff if thats the case, a good friend of mine is terminally ill will cervical cancer and anyone who tries to make money out of those situations is really nasty.. i don't like Dave when caoimhe questioned him he spouted out a load of rubbish and made it look like it was her who was in the wrong i don't like him at all.

Yes I am ,this vile disease has ruined ALL my families lives and this no mark conman cashes in on it ? hate him and his followers

[fruit_cake]

Yes it is. The thing is, I know him personally and have done for ten years, you've seen him on a Tv show.

God heals people, get over it.

er.. so why do they get cancer then????

[InOne]

There is no God. Get over it.

[vesavius]

Yes I am ,this vile disease has ruined ALL my families lives and this no mark conman cashes in on it ? hate him and his followers

:(

[Zippy]

There is no God. Get over it.

:eek:

[MTVN]

I quite liked him at the start, although watching the videos of him "drunk" and reading about his church made me a bit wary of him. Having said that, I just cant dislike the guy, I think he really is a nice guy, and is genuine enough, and the whole "drunk on the Lord" thing may not be something I agree with but I dont think there's anything sinister behind it

[Zippy]

Yes she does !!! ffs

No she doesn't!!! ffs

And you're hardly the voice of reason.

[vesavius]

I quite liked him at the start, although watching the videos of him "drunk" and reading about his church made me a bit wary of him. Having said that, I just cant dislike the guy, I think he really is a nice guy, and is genuine enough, and the whole "drunk on the Lord" thing may not be something I agree with but I dont think there's anything sinister behind it

The New Ecstatics are a cult that deliberately and cynically targets vulnerable groups (with specific laungauge such as 'raves', jacked up', 'drunk') and solicits donations based on unproven claims of the supernatural and channeling God to heal.

As the head of this cult Dave is in the house promoting it and I personally have a problem with that.

I also personally hate their core message of 'don't think, don't do anything, just get drunk'.

The selling of God's power, if it exists, as just another intoxicant and to be used solely for personal ends seems a perverse twisting of the Bible to me.

[chuff me dizzy]

No she doesn't!!! ffs

And you're hardly the voice of reason.

And you are ?

[chuff me dizzy]

There is no God. Get over it.

Totally agree

[Peter Plunker]

I've lost people to cancer too. Dave is in no way cashing in on cancer.

[fruit_cake]

so why's he charging cash then?? not very christian is it!!! i think he's an insensitive pig at best and a charlatan scumbag at worst

[MTVN]

The New Ecstatics are a cult that deliberately and cynically targets vulnerable groups (with specific laungauge such as 'raves', jacked up', 'drunk') and solicits donations based on unproven claims of the supernatural and channeling God to heal.

As the head of this cult Dave is in the house promoting it and I personally have a problem with that.

I also personally hate their core message of 'don't think, don't do anything, just get drunk'.

The selling of God's power, if it exists, as just another intoxicant and to be used solely for personal ends seems a perverse twisting of the Bible to me.

- All churches seek funding
- All churches try and appeal to the wider public
- All churches claim God heals

What makes Dave's church a "cult"?

[vesavius]

Found this nice piece on Counterfeit religions;

Counterfeit religions are also skilled at focusing their members’ attention on peripheral issues. They most often appeal to their emotions by talking about love and by getting people heavily involved in church-sponsored social events, or even missionary-type activities. If their members feel good about what they are doing, it makes little difference to them what they are being taught. Such people often remain loyal to a counterfeit church no matter what. Even when some are exposed as frauds, it doesn’t keep a loyal, but ignorant, few from continuing to support them.

Among those counterfeit churches that do study the Bible, many use only a small portion of it. They constantly refer to pet scriptures that can seem to support their beliefs. Often they have pulled these verses out of context and misinterpreted them, giving a far different impression than what the Bible actually means.

Proverbs 16:25 says, “There is a way which seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death” (Revised Standard Version).

[fruit_cake]

that sounds just like Dave doesn't it!!

[chuff me dizzy]

Found this nice piece on Counterfeit religions;

Spot on !! get the conman out ffs

[flamingGalah!]

I've lost people to cancer too. Dave is in no way cashing in on cancer.

Yes he is.

He gives people false hope in saying that he can cure them!!

He cannot.

He is a ******!!!!

[vesavius]

- All churches seek funding
- All churches try and appeal to the wider public
- All churches claim God heals

What makes Dave's church a "cult"?

In religion and sociology, a cult is a group of people devoted to beliefs and goals which are not held by the majority of society, often religious in nature. Its marginal status may come about either due to its novel belief system or due to idiosyncratic practices that cause the surrounding culture to regard it as far outside the mainstream.

It is a cult by definition.

[WOMBAI]

Yes he is.

He gives people false hope in saying that he can cure them!!

He cannot.

He is a ******!!!!

You just lost the argument - resorting to language like that! :hugesmile:

[vesavius]

You just lost the argument - resorting to language like that! :hugesmile:

lol not swearing isnt a victory condition :joker:

[flamingGalah!]

You just lost the argument - resorting to language like that! :hugesmile:

Why?? He is one... He preys on the sick & vulnerable...

[BB2010 Avery]

hes okay but i dont like the being piss*d off god malarky

[WOMBAI]

lol not swearing isnt a victory condition :joker:

It's like attempting to shout your opponent down - something people resort to when their argument is ineffective!

[Shasown]

Lol! :joker: That's scraping the barrel a bit isn't it??

Whether it is god himself doing the curing or not, it has to go through HIM!! Dave is the one laying his "healing hands" on them...

He is preying on the sick & vulnerable by suggesting he can cure them... Of course people are going to feel obliged to give him a donation...

The man is sick.

Nah ya flamingGalah, scraping the barrel is twisting his words and actions in order to take pops at him simply because you dont like his version of christianity.

[vesavius]

It's like attempting to shout your opponent down - something people resort to when their argument is ineffective!

swearing is great though :joker:

[kendoke]

Have you seen all the videos on YouTube just look up Sloshfest or welshshabba he's telling you about making money using wheelchairs, not a nice bloke

[fingers]

Have you seen all the videos on YouTube just look up Sloshfest or welshshabba he's telling you about making money using wheelchairs, not a nice bloke



http://reformedpilgrim.wordpress.com/2010/06/11/david-vaughan-the-new-ecstatics-and-big-brother/

:wavey:

[stonedape]

It is a cult by definition.

This is true, but the word cult has picked up some Jonestown et al baggage since the term's become popular, and I don't know if I'd go so far as to call Dave's little group a cult. They still believe in Biblical creation, Jesus, salvation, and the afterlife, even the arbitrary moral codes against homosexuality etc. The verses they take out of context are the same ones every other evangelical group does. They just give it a "rocker" lingo, so "feeling the Holy Spirit" becomes "getting drunk on the Lord"...not seeing huge differences.

While they are organized under a charismatic leader, they don't seem to share other classic symptoms of a cult; most importantly, isolationism/fear of the mainstream. They're located in many countries, on youtube, and Dave being on this program alone makes me view the group a lot less "culty".

From an American perspective, groups like Dave's are a dime a dozen. They're mainstream Christian targeted at an alternative subgroup, in this case former rockers/druggies or those of a similar aesthetic. They make money in the most glaringly hypocritical ways, but so do the most established. Have you seen megachurches? I don't see the difference besides scale and musical preference.

[flamingGalah!]

Nah ya flamingGalah, scraping the barrel is twisting his words and actions in order to take pops at him simply because you dont like his version of christianity.

Good job I have not done that then... :xyxwave:

[MTVN]

This is true, but the word cult has picked up some Jonestown et al baggage since the term's become popular, and I don't know if I'd go so far as to call Dave's little group a cult. They still believe in Biblical creation, Jesus, salvation, and the afterlife, even the arbitrary moral codes against homosexuality etc. The verses they take out of context are the same ones every other evangelical group does. They just give it a "rocker" lingo, so "feeling the Holy Spirit" becomes "getting drunk on the Lord"...not seeing huge differences.

While they are organized under a charismatic leader, they don't seem to share other classic symptoms of a cult; most importantly, isolationism/fear of the mainstream. They're located in many countries, on youtube, and Dave being on this program alone makes me view the group a lot less "culty".

From an American perspective, groups like Dave's are a dime a dozen. They're mainstream Christian targeted at an alternative subgroup, in this case former rockers/druggies or those of a similar aesthetic. They make money in the most glaringly hypocritical ways, but so do the most established. Have you seen megachurches? I don't see the difference besides scale and musical preference.

Well said.

[chuff me dizzy]

In nest hes telling JJ and Keeva he has the love of the Lord for them "Guys" fingers down throat ,hes after cash out of the winners pot for his"Orphanage/holiday fund/retirement fund/mortgage repayments

[dwarling]

Utter BS !!!! HE said a woman came to one of his "shows"with a massive cancer on her face,he touched it ,next day it was gone .....HIS words not gods
I totally agree with you, but it seems he's gaining favour ...sadly.

[chuff me dizzy]

I totally agree with you, but it seems he's gaining favour ...sadly.

Hopefully not for long

[starry]

Well judging him by what he does in the house - surely the best thing, as it's what we have best knowledge of - does he actually HURT anyone in there by his 'drunk' episodes?

[Tamtam]

I have changed my mind again on Dave, I am sorry to say that I have to retract my OP. I have done some reading and watch a few videos, and I have to say I don't like the man behind the BB face that he shows us, or what he stands for.

It's sad when a favourite HM turns out to be not what you thought they were :(

New favourite- Andrew!

[karezza]

I agree - David is funny & he is the most genuine housemate.

Get Crab Eyes out!

[Tamtam]

This is true, but the word cult has picked up some Jonestown et al baggage since the term's become popular, and I don't know if I'd go so far as to call Dave's little group a cult.

It is though, as has been said, by definiton. I have been reading up on it after following some of the links and looking for myself and I don't like what I see.

I looked deeper into what these people do and I couldnt find one positive contribution to their community at all, just a lot of self indulgent parties, bragging about sitting on the sofa being 'drunk', and requests for money. It didnt sit well with me at all.

If someone can show me something good that they have achieved with the money the 'church' makes then I will re look at my opinion.

[WOMBAI]

It is though, as has been said, by definiton. I have been reading up on it after following some of the links and looking for myself and I don't like what I see.

I looked deeper into what these people do and I couldnt find one positive contribution to their community at all, just a lot of self indulgent parties, bragging about sitting on the sofa being 'drunk', and requests for money. It didnt sit well with me at all.

If someone can show me something good that they have achieved with the money the 'church' makes then I will re look at my opinion.

Fair comments - not the usual, blind, uninformed hate! Makes a refreshing change!

[stoney]

I have changed my mind again on Dave, I am sorry to say that I have to retract my OP. I have done some reading and watch a few videos, and I have to say I don't like the man behind the BB face that he shows us, or what he stands for.

It's sad when a favourite HM turns out to be not what you thought they were :(

New favourite- Andrew!

have you done the same background check on Andrew:conf:

if not it seems a bitty unfair on Dave dont ya think:nono:

[Tamtam]

have you done the same background check on Andrew:conf:

if not it seems a bitty unfair on Dave dont ya think:nono:

No, but I will if the same doubts are raised.

Why, have you any links to show me that suggest he isnt the man that he is pretending to be inside the house?

[stoney]

I dont think he is pretending anything

he is just as you see him warts and all same as all the other inmates.

have you checked Josie's history?
Ben's male escort stuff?
JJ's old love life?
keeleys WAG tendencies?
etc
etc

it just seems to me a little unfair to judge some people by their actions in the house and others thru the perception from vidoes of their life outside

[Tamtam]

I dont think he is pretending anything

he is just as you see him warts and all same as all the other inmates.

have you checked Josie's history?
Ben's male escort stuff?
JJ's old love life?
keeleys WAG tendencies?
etc
etc

it just seems to me a little unfair to judge some people by their actions in the house and others thru the perception from vidoes of their life outside

No, but like I say I will if you have links to proof that causes me to doubt them. Have you any?

[stoney]

sorry, I'm not explaining myself too clearly

I just think you are being a little unfair judging Dave from what you have seen and read, probably from people that dont like his "cult", but are happy to take all the others at face value simply cos they dont have a public face for you to view

[Tamtam]

sorry, I'm not explaining myself too clearly

I just think you are being a little unfair judging Dave from what you have seen and read, probably from people that dont like his "cult", but are happy to take all the others at face value simply cos they dont have a public face for you to view

No, I get what you are saying I promise, but I only question on what I see is all, and I have seen Dave's cult just indulging themselves and asking for money. That has effected my opinion on him and his followers and I think thats entirely fair to be honest.

If anyone can post links to any good works they do with the money they make I gladly revise my outlook :)

[Peter Plunker]

I don't have a link but they did get £20,000 for some Bulgarian gypsy pastors, I was there. Bear in mind Dave doesn't run a church, he works along side churches. The core of his ministry is to get people to enjoy God and to believe in the miracilous, the supernatural. The wheelchair thing was just to put the point over that our efforts aren't neccessary and that it's God that that does the miracles. It was a play on words. There's a large ministry called 'operation mobilization' Dave was pointing that we don't need to mobilise ourselves, he said he wanted to start a ministry called 'operation immobilisation'.

[fingers]

I'd be interested in a LINK to that £20,000 donation!

St. Dave is nothing more than a hypocritical Charlatan living off the fat of the land and enjoying his numerous junkets to far away expensive places all paid for by "donations" to his "church" (The one he dreamed up as a cash cow)

The only links you are liable to find on this thread are the ones that show St Dave for what he is!

[vesavius]

I don't have a link but they did get £20,000 for some Bulgarian gypsy pastors, I was there. Bear in mind Dave doesn't run a church, he works along side churches. The core of his ministry is to get people to enjoy God and to believe in the miracilous, the supernatural. The wheelchair thing was just to put the point over that our efforts aren't neccessary and that it's God that that does the miracles. It was a play on words. There's a large ministry called 'operation mobilization' Dave was pointing that we don't need to mobilise ourselves, he said he wanted to start a ministry called 'operation immobilisation'.

No link = didnt happen.


I have said before also that I hate the core message of 'don't think, don't get involved, don't do anything, just get drunk', and this here just seems more of that.

I agree with the poster above.. all he seems to do is sit on his sofa and get 'drunk', go on holidays to get 'drunk', sell some dodgy merchandise on his website about how you can be as ineffectual and lazy as him while being 'drunk', and ask for donations (while 'drunk', of course).