John James trying to take Ben apart and getting destroyed

[Locke.]

John: "There aren't people like you anymore... That stopped years ago"
Ben: "I brought people like me back."

John: "People can't see things the way you do.. how can you say you don't care about teamwork and have friends?"
Ben: "Because we accept each other as being individuals. Just accept that people are different John."

:joker::joker:

[Zippy]

Yeah JJs looking like a bully. Again. Why can't he talk normally with people instead of ranting and being disrespectful? A classic case of somebody oblivious to their own faults whilst daring to judge others.

Ben is just his own person and will stay true to himself no matter what.

[Lucy.]

Ben is simply amazing through and through. John James can't touch that ;)

[Kazanne]

John: "There aren't people like you anymore... That stopped years ago"
Ben: "I brought people like me back."

John: "People can't see things the way you do.. how can you say you don't care about teamwork and have friends?"
Ben: "Because we accept each other as being individuals. Just accept that people are different John."

:joker::joker:

He totally showed JJ up for what he is,lol

[vesavius]

John: "There aren't people like you anymore... That stopped years ago"
Ben: "I brought people like me back."

John: "People can't see things the way you do.. how can you say you don't care about teamwork and have friends?"
Ben: "Because we accept each other as being individuals. Just accept that people are different John."

:joker::joker:

Yes, he is very... professional ;)

[Locke.]

John: "You're talking complete ****. Corin isn't listening to what you're saying."

Ben: "What are you talking about, this is just between us"

John: "You're just talking ****"

Ben: "You're not invited anyway, you won't go anywhere where they don't speak English."

[flamingGalah!]

JJ is just showing himself up more & more... :sleep:

[tintedshadow]

Ben is simply amazing through and through. John James can't touch that ;)

im slyly rating ben's whole demeanor right now,also why in gods name is the wizard on ben's bed,5 minutes ago he was warding off jj about ben's "attention seeking"...

would be interesting to see how this would be percieved had this been shabby ciaomhe and ife having this discussion with sunshine.. sort of surprised steve's getting stuck in to,and trying to get corin on side..

[Lucy.]

^ What?!

[Zippy]

Ben; I live in central London....
John; is that where its, like, all going down?

Doh

[Locke.]

John: "Every person on the planet has got there own unique style"
Ben: "Well you don't"

lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tintedshadow]

john:everyone in this world has style about them

ben: well you dont...

damn ben falcon punched john back in to reality

[Shasown]

Ben might be a bit of a spineless buffoon and JJ a bit of a thicko but this is comedy gold

[Shiner]

As Josie astutely pointed out they are both loving it, "JJ likes to argue and Ben likes to debate". :joker:

[Locke.]

John James still going on about it and then Dave just shows how much Ben has humiliated him tonight... "He has just been saying things to wind you up all night" :joker:

[Billy]

Keep going JJ, it's only going to make your eviction sweeter.

[Angus]

At least Ben does have his own UNIQUE style unlike the bleached blond male bimbo who has to impersonate a middle-aged footballer to get any attention.

[Jordan.]

John is an idiot.

[chuff me dizzy]

I am a fan of them both ,and JJ is messing with Ben ,no malice ,the only people with knives in Ben are Nathan and Bens best mate Dave

[joeysteele]

John James is creepy,he has something wrong with his thinking, he alwasy wants to argue round people but alone he with someone he is different, he has a short fuse and a dangerous one too.
Ben should steer clear of this oddball,actually I think JJ either fancies Ben or Mario,I cant work out which,he is jealous of them being close. I also think he is a woman hater the way he snarls at them and goes on and on and on.

[Legend killer]

Ben fans really annoy me he has been bitching about JJ for a week now and as soon as he says the slightest thing to ben they start complaining

[ChristmasNeeve]

Ben is an idiot as well though and I do think that JJ has a point, JJs problem is that he has very valid points usually but he's not the best for expressing them. He goes too far which in turn invalidates, the originally valid point, If you catch my drift!

I mean he is right, Ben is lazy and selfish, he isn't a team player. Yes everyone is an individual but not pulling your weight in a group situation is not a good trait to have.

[*mazedsalv**]

These are my fave 2 at the moment, they are the entertaining ones and must stay until the final.

[chuff me dizzy]

These are my fave 2 at the moment, they are the entertaining ones and must stay until the final.

I agree :xyxwave:

[Kazanne]

Ben fans really annoy me he has been bitching about JJ for a week now and as soon as he says the slightest thing to ben they start complaining

What has BEN said about JJ that is wrong then? ,prepare to be annoyed as JJ disses Ben of at every oportunity and TRIES to make him look small,but he fails miserably

[starry]

A classic case of somebody oblivious to their own faults whilst daring to judge others.

That's what Ben does as well though (saying others talk about themselves, or don't let others speak), projecting his own faults onto others. I find them both annoying.

[Kazanne]

:joker:That's what Ben does as well though (saying others talk about themselves, or don't let others speak), projecting his own faults onto others. I find them both annoying.

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

[Jords]

Ben was a right legend last night. :joker:

[ange7]

John: "There aren't people like you anymore... That stopped years ago"
Ben: "I brought people like me back."

John: "People can't see things the way you do.. how can you say you don't care about teamwork and have friends?"
Ben: "Because we accept each other as being individuals. Just accept that people are different John."

:joker::joker:
oh! I laughed and laughed! Killer!

[ange7]

John: "You're talking complete ****. Corin isn't listening to what you're saying."

Ben: "What are you talking about, this is just between us"

John: "You're just talking ****"

Ben: "You're not invited anyway, you won't go anywhere where they don't speak English."
oh!! . he totally showed him huh!?
keep em coming ... your a riot Ben!

[ange7]

are you mental?

[vesavius]

Ben is an idiot as well though and I do think that JJ has a point, JJs problem is that he has very valid points usually but he's not the best for expressing them. He goes too far which in turn invalidates, the originally valid point, If you catch my drift!

I mean he is right, Ben is lazy and selfish, he isn't a team player. Yes everyone is an individual but not pulling your weight in a group situation is not a good trait to have.

The problem with Ben vs JJ is two fold I think.

1) I think that its a case of JJ basing his views on morales, honesty, and mutual dependance, and Ben basing his on manipulation, lies, and selfishness. They are polar opposites in how they see themselves in society and have very different empathy levels for those around them. The problem is though that it's JJ's view that is increasingly unfashionable in Western culture, while the selfish lazy me me view of Ben is growing (mainly because it's the easy don't give a crap option), so Ben is seen as right often in the eyes of many.

2) JJ obviously has problems expressing himself, and is obviously less intelligent then Ben, so it is easy for Ben to maintain the high ground of remaining calm, which many see as an automatic 'win'. Many of JJs points are based on decency and friendship, and he emotionally cares deeply about them, but he loses debates with Ben because he stays calm as he just has no emotional investment in the argument because he dosent give a **** about those things.

Everything Ben does is a cold intellectual excercise, everything JJ does comes from the heart.

[xzlr8]

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/7666/wnker.jpg

[vesavius]

John: "You're talking complete ****. Corin isn't listening to what you're saying."

Ben: "What are you talking about, this is just between us"

John: "You're just talking ****"

Ben: "You're not invited anyway, you won't go anywhere where they don't speak English."

I have always said Ben is an entertaining HM, even if I dont like him as a person at all, but I didnt find this funny at all.

It just came across as dismissive, sneering and nasty to me... as Ben so often is.

[ange7]

The problem with Ben vs JJ is two fold I think.

1) I think that its a case of JJ basing his views on morales, honesty, and mutual dependance, and Ben basing his on manipulation, lies, and selfishness. They are polar opposites in how they see themselves in society and have very different empathy levels for those around them. The problem is though that it's JJ's view that is increasingly unfashionable in Western culture, while the selfish lazy me me view of Ben is growing (mainly because it's the easy don't give a crap option), so Ben is seen as right often in the eyes of many.

2) JJ obviously has problems expressing himself, and is obviously less intelligent then Ben, so it is easy for Ben to maintain the high ground of remaining calm, which many see as an automatic 'win'. Many of JJs points are based on decency and friendship, and he emotionally cares deeply about them, but he loses debates with Ben because he stays calm as he just has no emotional investment in the argument because he dosent give a **** about those things.

Everything Ben does is a cold intellectual excercise, everything JJ does comes from the heart.

And Josie always takes anyone's side but her "mate" JJ. She loves rubbishing and mocking him publicly but one on one she shows a different face.

[vesavius]

And Josie always takes anyone's side but her "mate" JJ. She loves rubbishing and mocking him publicly but one on one she shows a different face.

this thread wasnt about Josie. make another one and I will be glad to talk about your point.

[ange7]

this thread wasnt about Josie. make another one and I will be glad to talk about your point.
mahahahaha
thought not :P

[vesavius]

mahahahaha
thought not :P

Please stop trying to derail the thread?

I have already said I will discuss this with you if you make a new one about it.

[ange7]

ok ned flanders

[vesavius]

ok ned flanders

I have no idea what you are trying to win here.

I'll leave it now, and let you have the inevitable last snipe in your imaginary war.

[Kazanne]

I think with Ben what you see is what you get please or offend,like or hate,With JJ I think his caring for his fellow human beings is false and a front to persuade people he is a 'nice'guy,In real life I would think he is very aggresive,uncaring and attention seeking,the only thing I see he has going for him is his looks,but looks are not enough for some of us,so I think JJs persona is false.With Ben he really doesn't care if people like him or not and he doesn't try to make them.

[ChristmasNeeve]

The problem with Ben vs JJ is two fold I think.

1) I think that its a case of JJ basing his views on morales, honesty, and mutual dependance, and Ben basing his on manipulation, lies, and selfishness. They are polar opposites in how they see themselves in society and have very different empathy levels for those around them. The problem is though that it's JJ's view that is increasingly unfashionable in Western culture, while the selfish lazy me me view of Ben is growing (mainly because it's the easy don't give a crap option), so Ben is seen as right often in the eyes of many.

2) JJ obviously has problems expressing himself, and is obviously less intelligent then Ben, so it is easy for Ben to maintain the high ground of remaining calm, which many see as an automatic 'win'. Many of JJs points are based on decency and friendship, and he emotionally cares deeply about them, but he loses debates with Ben because he stays calm as he just has no emotional investment in the argument because he dosent give a **** about those things.

Everything Ben does is a cold intellectual excercise, everything JJ does comes from the heart.

Yeah, I agree completely, great post btw:hugesmile:

[ChristmasNeeve]

I think with Ben what you see is what you get please or offend,like or hate,With JJ I think his caring for his fellow human beings is false and a front to persuade people he is a 'nice'guy,In real life I would think he is very aggresive,uncaring and attention seeking,the only thing I see he has going for him is his looks,but looks are not enough for some of us,so I think JJs persona is false.With Ben he really doesn't care if people like him or not and he doesn't try to make them.

so it's ok for him to be a selfish prick cos atleast he's not false about it? ew.

[Kazanne]

so it's ok for him to be a selfish prick cos atleast he's not false about it? ew.

I am entitalled to my opinion and that is it,and in a word ,Yes.(all said without using expletives)anyone who is false cannot be trusted,MY opinion,ok.

[ChristmasNeeve]

I am entitalled to my opinion and that is it,and in a word ,Yes.(all said without using expletives)anyone who is false cannot be trusted,MY opinion,ok.

I was referring to your opinion on Ben not JJ. You think JJ is false fair enough ( I don't but yes you are entitled to your opinion on it) But what I was commenting on was that you think it's ok for him to be selfish and not care about other people as long as he's not being false about it.

[ange7]

"With Ben he really doesn't care if people like him or not and he doesn't try to make them"
Nah I think that's wrong. He lied about what his task was. He said BB asked him to take Shabby's something or other. He lied because he feared the housemates reaction ... he does care what they think. Being shallow to the point a disability means he is all about appearances but is without substance, morals or even a backbone.

[ChristmasNeeve]

"With Ben he really doesn't care if people like him or not and he doesn't try to make them"
Nah I think that's wrong. He lied about what his task was. He said BB asked him to take Shabby's something or other. He lied because he feared the housemates reaction ... he does care what they think. Being shallow to the point a disability means he is all about appearances but is without substance, morals or even a backbone.

yeah plus everytime he pisses someone off, the first thing he does is ask other people to back him

[ange7]

yeah plus everytime he pisses someone off, the first thing he does is ask other people to back him
lol and then votes for them hehe eg SS

[Kazanne]

I was referring to your opinion on Ben not JJ. You think JJ is false fair enough ( I don't but yes you are entitled to your opinion on it) But what I was commenting on was that you think it's ok for him to be selfish and not care about other people as long as he's not being false about it.

He does care about other people though,I think he should have done the punishment,but it was also good entertainment to see him buck the trend,it's not as though anything was a matter of life or death,BB would never see them truly suffer,Ben knows that and BB is not all about tasks it's about entertainment and imo he has provided that,and although people think he is selfish and uncaring,I would imagine he is a good friend on the outside,don't forget NONE of these people can be really friends yet.It is so nice how he forgives the very people who are trying to bring him down all the time a lesser man would have kicked off at them long before now,so I am sorry if people think my opinion is wrong,but I really like him and have seen nothing to change my mind,yet.As an aside I really did not like him on his arrival.

[vesavius]

so it's ok for him to be a selfish prick cos atleast he's not false about it? ew.

The thing, I think, is that the entrenched Ben supporter probably dosent even really think this... and probably were not saying it a while back.

Ben though has, repeatedly, demonstrated his true nature and the fanboi can't explain it away or condone it so they have come up with the 'he's a pr1ck but he is an honest pr1ck' defense stance.

They can no longer defend him morally or as the 'humble sweet honest' guy they used to, yet neither can they admit any flaws on his part because they percieve to do so would be weakness in the face of their 'enemies'.

So we now see this kind of weak defense because it is the only one they really have left :/

[ChristmasNeeve]

He does care about other people though,I think he should have done the punishment,but it was also good entertainment to see him buck the trend,it's not as though anything was a matter of life or death,BB would never see them truly suffer,Ben knows that and BB is not all about tasks it's about entertainment and imo he has provided that,and although people think he is selfish and uncaring,I would imagine he is a good friend on the outside,don't forget NONE of these people can be really friends yet.It is so nice how he forgives the very people who are trying to bring him down all the time a lesser man would have kicked off at them long before now,so I am sorry if people think my opinion is wrong,but I really like him and have seen nothing to change my mind,yet.As an aside I really did not like him on his arrival.

Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion, I wasn't having a go at you, you know, I just disagreed with what you said is all! Peoples opinions on the HMs depend on what personality traits bother them the most anyway, all the HMs have bad ones it just depends on which ones annoy you most I suppose, I personally hate selfishness which is why I've been turned off Ben more than the others

[ChristmasNeeve]

The thing, I think, is that the entrenched Ben supporter probably dosent even really think this... and probably were not saying it a while back.

Ben though has, repeatedly, demonstrated his true nature and the fanboi can't explain it away or condone it so they have come up with the 'he's a pr1ck but he is an honest pr1ck' defense stance.

They can no longer defend him morally or as the 'humble sweet honest' guy they used to, yet neither can they admit any flaws on his part because they percieve to do so would be weakness in the face of their 'enemies'.

So we now see this kind of weak defense because it is the only one they really have left :/

And as Ange so rightly pointed out he is not honest at all, he lied about tot asking him to take Shabbys hats to cover his arse, again reinforcing my opinion that he's selfish and is only looking out for himself!

[vesavius]

And as Ange so rightly pointed out he is not honest at all, he lied about tot asking him to take Shabbys hats to cover his arse, again reinforcing my opinion that he's selfish and is only looking out for himself!

I agree totally.

The problem is that BB isnt showing these events fully to the HL crowd so a lot of HL only viewers have a massively different view of him. If they had been honestly representing him there is every chance he would be the most hated HM since Nasty Nick.

That blatant self serving lie wasnt even shown being discovered, and thats far from the only one.

[ange7]

Some people support HMs NOT because want to change the world or agree with everything they say but because their fav is a laugh. They can over look the lies if they can't stand the other HMs enough. It's like the donkey vote at election where voters hate all the candidates. Right now Ben is getting them.

[vesavius]

Some people support HMs NOT because want to change the world

You have misunderstood my point, but np it's cool.

[Eye_Spy]

Ben is an idiot as well though and I do think that JJ has a point, JJs problem is that he has very valid points usually but he's not the best for expressing them. He goes too far which in turn invalidates, the originally valid point, If you catch my drift!

I mean he is right, Ben is lazy and selfish, he isn't a team player. Yes everyone is an individual but not pulling your weight in a group situation is not a good trait to have.

dont forget JJ is an aussie, and as he said last night, ben would have got his face smashed in thousands of times for being such a twat constantl in oz, its just the aussie way, were men are macho/loud/aggressive, and nancy boys like Ben get a good kicking.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Some people support HMs NOT because want to change the world or agree with everything they say but because their fav is a laugh. They can over look the lies if they can't stand the other HMs enough. It's like the donkey vote at election where voters hate all the candidates. Right now Ben is getting them.

you're right and that's ok too. It all boils down what each individual fan/voter finds irritating and what they don't. Like I said before, I don't like Ben cos I can't stand selfish people in real life and so that influences who I can't stand on BB

[Kazanne]

"With Ben he really doesn't care if people like him or not and he doesn't try to make them"
Nah I think that's wrong. He lied about what his task was. He said BB asked him to take Shabby's something or other. He lied because he feared the housemates reaction ... he does care what they think. Being shallow to the point a disability means he is all about appearances but is without substance, morals or even a backbone.

He 'lied' about his task through fear of what the HM would say and do?Did you see the way they were with him in that first week?I'de have 'lied'too ,my point about him NOT being a liar is I don't think he is in his real life where he doesn't have that threat of strangers giving him hell for days on end.Your last paragraph I totally disagree with.

[Eye_Spy]

He 'lied' about his task through fear of what the HM would say and do?Did you see the way they were with him in that first week?I'de have 'lied'too ,my point about him NOT being a liar is I don't think he is in his real life where he doesn't have that threat of strangers giving him hell for days on end.Your last paragraph I totally disagree with.

you must have missed bens video, where he boasts/brags about enjoying manipulating people.

[Kazanne]

dont forget JJ is an aussie, and as he said last night, ben would have got his face smashed in thousands of times for being such a twat constantl in oz, its just the aussie way, were men are macho/loud/aggressive, and nancy boys like Ben get a good kicking.

Well thank God I live in England.and they say Ben doesn't live in the real world,lol

[ange7]

my point was more about why people like Ben ... not directed at anyone. Donkey vote refers to people who don't take BB that seriously and your not likely to get a reasoned debate out of them as to why Ben is NOT a douche bag hehe.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Well thank God I live in England.and they say Ben doesn't live in the real world,lol

Australia is a real country last time I checked!

[ange7]

Well thank God I live in England.and they say Ben doesn't live in the real world,lol
"Well thank God I live in England" lol
you should tour this stand up routine of yours.... ( but like you said ... not in OZ hehe)

[vesavius]

He 'lied' about his task through fear of what the HM would say and do?

I personally don't think its acceptable to lie just because people would react badly to your intentional actions.

In fact, I think it's a weak pathetic way to approach life, and thats what I see everytime I look at Ben. Sure, he can be funny, I have always agreed with that, but i could never defend him on any other aspect of how he behaves.

[Eye_Spy]

Well thank God I live in England.and they say Ben doesn't live in the real world,lol

its just a clash of diffrent cultures, the aussie women are generally more macho as well than the brits.

[vesavius]

my point was more about why people like Ben ... not directed at anyone. Donkey vote refers to people who don't take BB that seriously and your not likely to get a reasoned debate out of them as to why Ben is NOT a douche bag hehe.

I get that, thats why it was NP. :)

[ange7]

He 'lied' about his task through fear of what the HM would say and do?Did you see the way they were with him in that first week?I'de have 'lied'too ,my point about him NOT being a liar is I don't think he is in his real life where he doesn't have that threat of strangers giving him hell for days on end.Your last paragraph I totally disagree with.
He lies because he looks out for number 1 ... 2 and 3 ...and they are all him. That you'd lie too wasn't really up for debate.

[Chels]

In summary -
Ben's a two-faced, lying, snobby, inconsiderate, thoughtless, selfish, bitchy twat. :)

[ChristmasNeeve]

In summary -
Ben's a two-faced, lying, snobby, inconsiderate, thoughtless, selfish, bitchy twat. :)

Straight to the point and accurate, well done Chels!:hugesmile:

[starry]

With Ben he really doesn't care if people like him or not and he doesn't try to make them.

He cares a huge amount, he's thinking about himself all the time.

[fruit_cake]

Ben looks after Ben.. nothing wrong with that, especially in a house full of vultures

[starry]

Ben looks after Ben.. nothing wrong with that, especially in a house full of vultures

Yeh ok, but people shouldn't have double standards over that and sometimes I think they do.

[vesavius]

In summary -
Ben's a two-faced, lying, snobby, inconsiderate, thoughtless, selfish, bitchy twat. :)

annnnndd..... Chels arrives :joker:

[fruit_cake]

he's not hiding his selfishness, at least people know where they stand with him. In a way, its quite a nice way to be.. better than being a manipulative character like Corin or Josie, who play at being so nice yet every now and again you see the real character come out.. with Ben you take him or leave him

[ChristmasNeeve]

he's not hiding his selfishness, at least people know where they stand with him. In a way, its quite a nice way to be.. better than being a manipulative character like Corin or Josie, who play at being so nice yet every now and again you see the real character come out

but that's just what you like/dislike in people though, me personally, I hate selfish people and I would rather a person who I have to live with in a fish bowl for weeks be fake and nice to me than be an honest selfish twat, but that's just me!

[vesavius]

he's not hiding his selfishness, at least people know where they stand with him. In a way, its quite a nice way to be.. better than being a manipulative character like Corin or Josie, who play at being so nice yet every now and again you see the real character come out.. with Ben you take him or leave him

I will just requote myself here if thats ok? Saves me the time retyping.

The thing, I think, is that the entrenched Ben supporter probably dosent even really think this... and probably were not saying it a while back.

Ben though has, repeatedly, demonstrated his true nature and the fanboi can't explain it away or condone it so they have come up with the 'he's a pr1ck but he is an honest pr1ck' defense stance.

They can no longer defend him morally or as the 'humble sweet honest' guy they used to, yet neither can they admit any flaws on his part because they think to do so would be admitting weakness in the face of their 'enemies', so they have adjusted their argument to this in an effort to represent his selfish fecklesness as a positive (very much the same way he does himself).

So we now see this kind of weak defense because it is the only one they really have left :/

[Speedster]

John: "You're talking complete ****. Corin isn't listening to what you're saying."

Ben: "What are you talking about, this is just between us"

John: "You're just talking ****"

Ben: "You're not invited anyway, you won't go anywhere where they don't speak English."

This was a private conversation between Ben and Corin and he butted in, I remember when he had a go at someone who did the same to him the day he made Rachael cry at the dinner table.

Hypocrite.

[Speedster]

Yeah JJs looking like a bully. Again. Why can't he talk normally with people instead of ranting and being disrespectful? A classic case of somebody oblivious to their own faults whilst daring to judge others.

Ben is just his own person and will stay true to himself no matter what.

He's a bully; he finds people who can't or won't stick up for themselves (usually women it seems) and break them down like he did with Rachael. He won't go too far with men though in case they knock his preety little head off.

[ChristmasNeeve]

This was a private conversation between Ben and Corin and he butted in, I remember when he had a go at someone who did the same to him the day he made Rachael cry at the dinner table.

Hypocrite.

everyone is a hypocrite though, I guarantee that everyone who has said at some point "mind your own business" to another person has at one point not minded their own business!

[Fuzzylogic]

my point was more about why people like Ben ... not directed at anyone. Donkey vote refers to people who don't take BB that seriously and your not likely to get a reasoned debate out of them as to why Ben is NOT a douche bag hehe.

I feel sorry for anyone who does take BB seriously. I mean I'm loving the show this year, watching all the show, watching the live feed, reading about it on the internet. I'm a big fan, but I am not taking this **** seriously. And that's why I like Ben, it matters not to me what he is like in the 'real world.' In the real world I would find him to be a complete tit and would not want to be friends with someone like him, but the BB house to me is not the real world, it's just a TV show and right now Ben is the most entertaining.

[fruit_cake]

everyone is a hypocrite though, I guarantee that everyone who has said at some point "mind your own business" to another person has at one point not minded their own business!

i suppose you're right, this BB is certianly the most difficult to judge i think everyone has gone up and down with who they are supporting.

[Livia]

At least Ben does have his own UNIQUE style unlike the bleached blond male bimbo who has to impersonate a middle-aged footballer to get any attention.

Middle-aged footballer... OH MY GOD! You mean David Beckham! Shoot me, someone.

[vesavius]

i suppose you're right, this BB is certianly the most difficult to judge i think everyone has gone up and down with who they are supporting.

I actually have in general, yeah. Theres no shame in adjusting who you like based on their behaviour.

Theres a few in there I openly I admit I got wrong when they went in.

[ChristmasNeeve]

i suppose you're right, this BB is certianly the most difficult to judge i think everyone has gone up and down with who they are supporting.

yeah definitely, that's why, more so than any other year, I can't wait for some new HMs so I have another chance at finding a clear favorite for myself!

[Beastie]

If JJ continues to argue.. we will be stuck with Keeva the bore on Friday.... :sleep:

[ChristmasNeeve]

I actually have in general, yeah. Theres no shame in adjusting who you like based on their behaviour.

Theres a few in there I openly I admit I got wrong when they went in.

Yeah, it's worse to stick with someone just because you started out liking them, I mean they're all strangers to us so its obviously going to take a while to get to know their characters better

[Speedster]

I am entitalled to my opinion and that is it,and in a word ,Yes.(all said without using expletives)anyone who is false cannot be trusted,MY opinion,ok.

:) Just noticed you're from Shropshire. Me too-Dawley.

[vesavius]

Yeah, it's worse to stick with someone just because you started out liking them, I mean they're all strangers to us so its obviously going to take a while to get to know their characters better

I very much agree. I can honestly say that if Joise acted in a way that disgusted me I would just say so and chose a new HM.

The rise and falls are part of what makes it BB :)

[Kazanne]

:) Just noticed you're from Shropshire. Me too-Dawley.

LOL,it's a small world I know dawley quite well:xyxwave:

[ange7]

I feel sorry for anyone who does take BB seriously. I mean I'm loving the show this year, watching all the show, watching the live feed, reading about it on the internet. I'm a big fan, but I am not taking this **** seriously. And that's why I like Ben, it matters not to me what he is like in the 'real world.' In the real world I would find him to be a complete tit and would not want to be friends with someone like him, but the BB house to me is not the real world, it's just a TV show and right now Ben is the most entertaining.
yep your the demographic I was on about. People who know it's all BS and a laugh and think it would be funny if Ben won. All I'm saying is people that argue on points of moral rightness or decency ( and some do here on TIBB ) shouldn't expect a reasoned debate from you .. unless it something you can scream from a moving car :P

[ChristmasNeeve]

I very much agree. I can honestly say that if Joise acted in a way that disgusted me I would just say so and chose a new HM.

The rise and falls are part of what makes it BB :)

Josie is it? and I see you're from Bristol too hhmmmm.........:wink: only kidding, I quite like her too, and JJ and Corin but I have no clear favorite this year

[vesavius]

Josie is it? and I see you're from Bristol too hhmmmm.........:wink: only kidding, I quite like her too, and JJ and Corin but I have no clear favorite this year

haha well, I hated Bea, and I have no love for Justin Lee Collins, if that helps prove anything! :joker:

I don't really care where a HM comes from TBH and certainly wouldnt want them to win based on it :)

[ChristmasNeeve]

haha well, I hated Bea, and I have no love for Justin Lee Collins, if that helps prove anything! :joker:

I don't really care where a HM comes from TBH and certainly wouldnt want them to win based on it :)

I know, I know, what's wrong JLC though?, I think he's lovely:hugesmile:

[ChristmasNeeve]

Bea was from Bristol? what happened to her accent?

[vesavius]

I know, I know, what's wrong JLC though?, I think he's lovely:hugesmile:

Don't hate him, just don't love him... he is just meh for me :)

[vesavius]

Bea was from Bristol? what happened to her accent?

She wasnt born here though or anything.

[Speedster]

dont forget JJ is an aussie, and as he said last night, ben would have got his face smashed in thousands of times for being such a twat constantl in oz, its just the aussie way, were men are macho/loud/aggressive, and nancy boys like Ben get a good kicking.


They should put note in travel brochures for Oz "Don't foget to get extra travel insurance incase the locals decide you're a "nancy boy" and decide to kick your head in".:shocked:

[ChristmasNeeve]

They should put note in travel brochures for Oz "Don't foget to get extra travel insurance incase the locals decide you're a "nancy boy" and decide to kick your head in".:shocked:

now now, don't judge all Australians by one HM!:nono:

[Livia]

dont forget JJ is an aussie, and as he said last night, ben would have got his face smashed in thousands of times for being such a twat constantl in oz, its just the aussie way, were men are macho/loud/aggressive, and nancy boys like Ben get a good kicking.

You've never actually been to Australia. Have you.

[Speedster]

dont forget JJ is an aussie, and as he said last night, ben would have got his face smashed in thousands of times for being such a twat constantl in oz, its just the aussie way, were men are macho/loud/aggressive, and nancy boys like Ben get a good kicking.

now now, don't judge all Australians by one HM!:nono:



I'm sorry :) I wasn't being intentionally racist, it's just My silly sense of humour. I have a couple of Australian friends, they're both nice guys.

Again, very sorry to sound offensive, I was just messing around. :)

[ange7]

They should put note in travel brochures for Oz "Don't foget to get extra travel insurance incase the locals decide you're a "nancy boy" and decide to kick your head in".:shocked:
rubbish ... Sydney's gay community is huge. Nothing to do with Ben being a "nancy boy". It's about people who think they deserve privileges due to birth. Toffs wouldn't last a second in OZ. They'd be like "hey do you know who I am!" and we'd be like "yeah your the butler form (add crap Hollywood movie with a pompous English butler here)."

[Speedster]

If JJ continues to argue.. we will be stuck with Keeva the bore on Friday.... :sleep:

I don't think Caoimhe's got a cat in hells chance personally. I honestly don't mean to come across as sexist but a lot (not all) but a lot of men are physically stronger than women and jj -does- seem quite muscular compared to Caoimhe so I'll be genuinely amazed (and as happy as a pig in s***) if she wins lol.

[Speedster]

rubbish ... Sydney's gay community is huge. Nothing to do with Ben being a "nancy boy". It's about people who think they deserve privileges due to birth. Toffs wouldn't last a second in OZ. They'd be like "hey do you know who I am!" and we'd be like "yeah your the butler form (add crap Hollywood movie with a pompous English butler here)."

I'm sorry :) like I said to someone else, it was just my silly sense of humour.

[Speedster]

he's not hiding his selfishness, at least people know where they stand with him. In a way, its quite a nice way to be.. better than being a manipulative character like Corin or Josie, who play at being so nice yet every now and again you see the real character come out.. with Ben you take him or leave him

Corin and Josie? manipulative because they're nice most of the time but every so often not so nice?. Most people are nice -most of the time until something makes them get angry and become not so nice-.

I assume you were a fan of goons like Rex,Victor,Jason and Derek?. The thing they all have in common is that they were vile all the time;rude,agressive,spiteful,patronising and condescending. This kind of Macho nonsense has always been popular on BB-a televised "boys own club" where men do what they feel like meanwhile women get slagged off for having confidence or opinions, or for having the nerve for showing any hint of negative emotion.

I've often felt that if you're a woman, you're damed if you do and damed if you don't.