Is Dave breaking the law?

[newspresenter]

Inciting religious hatred in the house. What he's saying is hateful, that his god is the be all and end all, that he is supreme - religious supremacy.

Black supremacy is racist - racial hatred.

[chuff me dizzy]

Inciting religious hatred in the house. What he's saying is hateful, that his god is the be all and end all, that he is supreme - religious supremacy.

Black supremacy is racist - racial hatred.

Dead right !!

[headaball]

:laugh3:

[WOMBAI]

Inciting religious hatred in the house. What he's saying is hateful, that his god is the be all and end all, that he is supreme - religious supremacy.

Black supremacy is racist - racial hatred.

You drama queen - if anyone is inciting hatred - it is you my friend! :sleep:

[CaudleHalbard]

Dave would say he is inciting love, not hatred1 ;)

[Enid]

I find any religious talk patronising and aggressive. I can't wait till he leaves.

[newspresenter]

You drama queen - if anyone is inciting hatred - it is you my friend! :sleep:

Thats ironic. Why are you being hateful towards me?

[Fuzzylogic]

Inciting religious hatred in the house. What he's saying is hateful, that his god is the be all and end all, that he is supreme - religious supremacy.

Black supremacy is racist - racial hatred.

But is he just expressing his views or is he forcing them onto other people?

[CaudleHalbard]

I find any religious talk patronising and aggressive. I can't wait till he leaves.

However he is not addressing an unwilling audience. Rachel has chosen to involve herself in the convo. She could walk away.

[newspresenter]

Dave would say he is inciting love, not hatred1 ;)

Never thought anyone could incite love, especially Dave. That said, alot of people incite love when they're drunk on godcahol.

[Braden]

I doubt it, Dave only wants spread love and devotion

[ange7]

Dave is inciting me to turn the telly off.

[WOMBAI]

Thats ironic. Why are you being hateful towards me?

You were being hypocritical! You are inciting hate for him and his beliefs! They are his opinions, applicable to his life, he isn't forcing his beliefs on anyone else! ffs there are people criticising him for not being prepared to talk to trouble-making Keeva about his views, whilst others criticise him for talking about them at all. He can't win! Why should he not talk about his views - they are a part of him! It sounds more like religious hatred to me!

[Zippy]

He's too dull to incite anything except boredom.

[newspresenter]

But is he just expressing his views or is he forcing them onto other people?

Good question. Expressing, yes, and we should defend that, but he sees Rachel as someone close to biting his godrod. Rachel is great bait for brainwashers. Theres always an element of force.

[johnx]

I like Dave-thought the public would warm to him like.But from the reaction of the crowd it would appear he's about as popular as a venereal disease.

[GiRTh]

You were being hypocritical! You are inciting hate for him and his beliefs! They are his opinions, applicable to his life, he isn't forcing his beliefs on anyone else! ffs there are people criticising him for not being prepared to talk to trouble-making Keeva about his views, whilst others criticise him for talking about them at all. He can't win! Why should he not talk about his views - they are a part of him! It sounds more like religious hatred to me!:thumbs:

[Zippy]

ffs there are people criticising him for not being prepared to talk to trouble-making Keeva about his views, whilst others criticise him for talking about them at all. He can't win!

Well thats true.

She seems to think he has to explain himself to her. Er, no.

[Enid]

However he is not addressing an unwilling audience. Rachel has chosen to involve herself in the convo. She could walk away.
Well he does because he brings the "Lord" into every conversation.

I honestly would not be able to talk to the man.

[ange7]

Inciting religious hatred in the house. What he's saying is hateful, that his god is the be all and end all, that he is supreme - religious supremacy.

Black supremacy is racist - racial hatred.

Is newspresenter breaking the law?
Inciting Dave hatred in Tibb. What he's saying is hateful, that his opinion is the be all and end all, that he is supreme - opinion supremacy.

Opinion supremacy is racist - racial hatred.

[Enid]

And yes he is being forceful because he KNOWS there are atheists in the house. All this "God loves you" sh!te does my head in.

[chuff me dizzy]

I find any religious talk patronising and aggressive. I can't wait till he leaves.

This

[arista]

Dave is a Utter Bible Freak Nutter.

[newspresenter]

Is newspresenter breaking the law?

Yes, im breaking the law, just show's what an ass the law is and who created it.

And no, im not breaking the law because this law is about interpretation and im not advocating hatred against Dave.

[Eye_Spy]

Inciting religious hatred in the house. What he's saying is hateful, that his god is the be all and end all, that he is supreme - religious supremacy.

Black supremacy is racist - racial hatred.


you seem to be the one trying to incite hatred.

can you give some examples of what you are referring to, or do we have to play a little guessing game.

[chuff me dizzy]

Well he does because he brings the "Lord" into every conversation.

I honestly would not be able to talk to the man.

He does ,but when Keeva told him this he denied it ,he rams his ludicrous views on everyone

[ange7]

Yes, im breaking the law, just show's what an ass the law is and who created it.

And no, im not breaking the law because this law is about interpretation and im not advocating hatred against Dave.
dude my post was a joke.
I was hoping we'd all create a similar post using your cool rant as a guide. Forgot where I was. :(

[newspresenter]

you seem to be the one trying to incite hatred.

can you give some examples of what you are referring to, or do we have to play a little guessing game.

'seem' is a word that could lock me up for 7 years. Terrible judicary we have.

I said already, Dave is saying his belief is the be-all and end-all, free speech and religious hatred.

Who decides what is free speech and what is 'religious hatred'?

Personally i'd prefer Dave to say whatever he likes, but that isn't the rules of the game. The rule is interpretation - the government can lock up anyone they don't like for 'incitement'.

[Eye_Spy]

'seem' is a word that could lock me up for 7 years. Terrible judicary we have.

I said already, Dave is saying his belief is the be-all and end-all, free speech and religious hatred.

Who decides what is free speech and what is 'religious hatred'?

Personally i'd prefer Dave to say whatever he likes, but that isn't the rules of the game. The rule is interpretation - the government can lock up anyone they don't like for 'incitement'.

yes they can, be would it be lawful or legal, i take it you understand the diffrence between lawful and legal?

[Bigbrofan25]

Religious people are allowed to free speech and state their faith in public But they should NOT use their faith to justify hatred against another person such as saying the bible says gays are evil then gays should be killed or locked up as a result That would be inciting homophobic hatred directing at a homosexual person or in public in terms of hate speech and that is against the law

If someone uses abusive language and threatens someone because of their sexuality or color then that is also inciting hatred

As far as I know David has only said he thinks homosexuality is wrong in his personal view because of his faith he hasn`t said anything that incites hatred yet anyway

[newspresenter]

yes they can, be would it be lawful or legal

Would it matter if they get away with it, especially when you consider the amount of support they would have at their disposal.

If preeching the god thing isn't incitement, then surely preeching satanism (the opposite) is, yet satanism is a recognised religion that you can worship in the Monarch's armed forces.

What about non 'recognised' religions, can they only preech incitement simply because they're not 'recognised'?

[flamingGalah!]

I think Dave is just mental.... Years of drink & drug abuse has obviously caused serious & lasting damage... And if his loony mates on BBBM last night are anything to go on his whole "congregation" are obviously made up of mental druggies & alcoholics too... :sleep:

[newspresenter]

Religious people are allowed to free speech and state their faith in public But they should NOT use their faith to justify hatred against another person such as saying the bible says gays are evil then gays should be killed or locked up as a result That would be inciting homophobic hatred directing at a homosexual person or in public in terms of hate speech and that is against the law

If someone uses abusive language and threatens someone because of their sexuality or color then that is also inciting hatred


Does the bible say gays are evil? Why is it a bad thing to dislike homosexuals and homosexuality? Is hetrophobia bad? Is arachnophobia bad?

Define abusive language? Is all language free speech?

[Livia]

I'm not a Dave fan really, I don't agree with his regigious beliefs. However, the belief that seems to override everything else for him is that he thinks God wants him to love everyone. Strange that would incite so much hate.

[WOMBAI]

I think Dave is just mental.... Years of drink & drug abuse has obviously caused serious & lasting damage... And if his loony mates on BBBM last night are anything to go on his whole "congregation" are obviously made up of mental druggies & alcoholics too... :sleep:

Do you have no admiration for people who get off the drugs then? They have done it their way, and if adopting religion instead has worked for them - so be it! Would you rather they remained as junkies instead? Dave has been honest about his past - he is now entitled to believe in whatever he chooses!

[Bigbrofan25]

Does the bible say gays are evil? Why is it a bad thing to dislike homosexuals and homosexuality? Is hetrophobia bad? Is arachnophobia bad?

Define abusive language? Is all language free speech?

No not all language is free speech I`m afraid some hate speech can be considered illegal but it depends on how it was said and the motive behind it and what was said

The bible talks about the city of sodom a place where the bible says men were lusting after each other and hence where the name sodmomy came from to descride anal or oral sex both between gay men and straight coulples etc

However The bible isn`t very detailed on the matter of homosexuality some people have just used that part about the city of sodmon to descride their discust of gay men

However all forms of lust are classed as a sin in christianity even men lusting after other women is too

So the bible isn`t actually saying God hates gays or that gays are evil but its how people have interpreited it over decades especially protestant christians like Dave

[flamingGalah!]

Do you have no admiration for people who get off the drugs then? They have done it their way, and if adopting religion instead has worked for them - so be it! Would you rather they remained as junkies instead? Dave has been honest about his past - he is now entitled to believe in whatever he chooses!

Not if they act like him & his mates no...

He has hardly just "adopted religion" though has he? He has invented his own pathetic "cult" where they stagger about as if still high as a kite or pissed...
They are offensive to true Christians...

[MaratSafinForever]

It's other people who're constantly bringing it up, not him.

[MojoNixon]

Inciting religious hatred in the house. What he's saying is hateful, that his god is the be all and end all, that he is supreme - religious supremacy.

Black supremacy is racist - racial hatred.

You should ask that from Jeremiah Wright, who is Barak Obamas pastor

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[LadyNay]

'seem' is a word that could lock me up for 7 years. Terrible judicary we have.

I said already, Dave is saying his belief is the be-all and end-all, free speech and religious hatred.

Who decides what is free speech and what is 'religious hatred'?

Personally i'd prefer Dave to say whatever he likes, but that isn't the rules of the game. The rule is interpretation - the government can lock up anyone they don't like for 'incitement'.

Free speech is just that - speech

Religious hatred would be active, if he actually condems other religions. But he's not ... all religions believe their religion is the be all and end all - that they are superior in beliefs. So it's a redundant argument ... you got your wires crossed... And when in doubt, read about it before so your opinion is at least informed.

Opinions are like arse holes ... everyone has one regardless. :spin:

[Hero1]

I found it odd when he nominated Covan he claimed he loves all people, including blacks, gays, witches and demons and such...STRANGE

He used this terminology again, when he was trying to claim he was not homophobic in the bedroom also.

I have noticed Dave has nominated every black person in the house, the man is a low belled snake.

He even lied and claimed Rachael flashed her private parts to him.

I have nothing wrong with Religion, but I find everything wrong when someone is hiding behind religion and is really a total sneak.

[Bigbrofan25]

The law decides whats free speech or not There are acts of law which were passed in recent years such as the incitement religious hatred act and the incitement to homophobic hatred laws

These laws are required to protect people from abuse and hatred it is only right that people should be locked up for breaking these laws because you cannot use free speech as an excuse to bully or abuse people because of their religion or race or sexuality or gender

It is only fair these laws had to be created because there was so much widespread racism and homophobia within society and there still is believe me

I was raised as catholic and catholics are always subject to abuse all the time even though the law covers anti catholic hatred too

But there has to be a line drawn I think on what free speech is and what hatred actually is the law isn`t very clear on that topic

[WOMBAI]

I found it odd when he nominated Covan he claimed he loves all people, including blacks, gays, witches and demons and such...STRANGE

He used this terminology again, when he was trying to claim he was not homophobic in the bedroom also.

I have noticed Dave has nominated every black person in the house, the man is a low belled snake.

He even lied and claimed Rachael flashed her private parts to him.

I have nothing wrong with Religion, but I find everything wrong when someone is hiding behind religion and is really a total sneak.

Here we go :sleep: - he has been accused of homophobia, sexism, now racism - with no real evidence whatsoever! You are guilty of religionism!

You lot are the mad ones! :joker:

[WOMBAI]

Not if they act like him & his mates no...

He has hardly just "adopted religion" though has he? He has invented his own pathetic "cult" where they stagger about as if still high as a kite or pissed...
They are offensive to true Christians...

I doubt you give two hoots about Christians - you just don't understand or approve of his way of celebrating his beliefs. Narrowminded or what!

[Lex]

Inciting religious hatred in the house. What he's saying is hateful, that his god is the be all and end all, that he is supreme - religious supremacy.

Black supremacy is racist - racial hatred.

YOU NEED HELP!!:nono:

[flamingGalah!]

I doubt you give two hoots about Christians - you just don't understand or approve of his way of celebrating his beliefs. Narrowminded or what!

You know nothing of what I think of true Christians!! :nono:

No I do not approve of a cult where they basically roll about high on drugs...

Shall I start my own religion where I **** & smear it in peoples faces?? Would that be ok because I was "celebrating my beliefs" ?

Are you a member of his cult by any chance??

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

Quaver is the one inciting hatred

Dave is spreading Jesus juice

[WOMBAI]

You know nothing of what I think of true Christians!! :nono:

No I do not approve of a cult where they basically roll about high on drugs...

Shall I start my own religion where I **** & smear it in peoples faces?? Would that be ok because I was "celebrating my beliefs" ?

Are you a member of his cult by any chance??

I am a non-believer - no doubt you assumed otherwise! :nono: I don't approve of 'cults' either - just see no evidence that this is what Dave is about! A lot of assumptions have been made about Dave and his group - possibly unfairly, but I take as I find, and, so far, I like him!

[Hero1]

Here we go :sleep: - he has been accused of homophobia, sexism, now racism - with no real evidence whatsoever! You are guilty of religionism!

You lot are the mad ones! :joker:

I never said anything about racism or he was homophobic, I just think he is a sneak that hides behind religion, I find him strange and odd.

You cannot compare black people to gays, witches or demons.

You cannot compare gays to Witches or demons...etc either.

It is obvious that he sees these groups as the same, and the way he partonisingly deals with it is with Jesus' love, it is almost as if he looks at blacks as a sin, hates the sins, but loves the sinner.

IMO do not compare anyone to witches, demons and warlocks, it is out of order and warped.

[BitterFruit]

I think that is giving way too much significance...........

[Bigbrofan25]

This is a very interesting topic actually for once

[Jamietwo]

religions are full of hate inducing rubbish, but they were invented before political correctness and post 9/11 speech control.

[WOMBAI]

I never said anything about racism or he was homophobic, I just think he is a sneak that hides behind religion, I find him strange and odd.

You cannot compare black people to gays, witches or demons.

You cannot compare gays to Witches or demons...etc either.

It is obvious that he sees these groups as the same, and the way he partonisingly deals with it is with Jesus' love, it is almost as if he looks at blacks as a sin, hates the sins, but loves the sinner.

IMO do not compare anyone to witches, demons and warlocks, it is out of order and warped.

Originally Posted by Hero1
I found it odd when he nominated Covan he claimed he loves all people, including blacks, gays, witches and demons and such...STRANGE

He used this terminology again, when he was trying to claim he was not homophobic in the bedroom also.

I have noticed Dave has nominated every black person in the house, the man is a low belled snake.

He even lied and claimed Rachael flashed her private parts to him.

I have nothing wrong with Religion, but I find everything wrong when someone is hiding behind religion and is really a total sneak.

You implied racism when you said he had nominated every black person in the house! Similar for you comments about him claiming he was not homophobic!

I don't find him in the least bit sneaky - quite the opposite - he seems very open about most things, including his religion!

[Hero1]

Originally Posted by Hero1
I found it odd when he nominated Covan he claimed he loves all people, including blacks, gays, witches and demons and such...STRANGE

He used this terminology again, when he was trying to claim he was not homophobic in the bedroom also.

I have noticed Dave has nominated every black person in the house, the man is a low belled snake.

He even lied and claimed Rachael flashed her private parts to him.

I have nothing wrong with Religion, but I find everything wrong when someone is hiding behind religion and is really a total sneak.

You implied racism when you said he had nominated every black person in the house! Similar for you comments about him claiming he was not homophobic!

I don't find him in the least bit sneaky - quite the opposite - he seems very open about most things, including his religion!

I personally think he has rarely comes across black people in his life, and when he does, I think he needs to show them Jesus' love, as he says so himself.

he said it himself when he nominated Covan, he has no problem with blacks, gays, witches, demons or warlocks....stand up for the creep all you like, I just think he is a strange, sneaky, creep who is not all there.

I am looking forward to his next set of nominations, obviously Camiomhe would be there, but his next set would be interesting.

[boomoo]

Good question. Expressing, yes, and we should defend that, but he sees Rachel as someone close to biting his godrod. Rachel is great bait for brainwashers. Theres always an element of force.


Rachel is just making sire she gets round everyone so that she is not nominated next week

[boomoo]

Originally Posted by Hero1
I found it odd when he nominated Covan he claimed he loves all people, including blacks, gays, witches and demons and such...STRANGE

He used this terminology again, when he was trying to claim he was not homophobic in the bedroom also.

I have noticed Dave has nominated every black person in the house, the man is a low belled snake.

He even lied and claimed Rachael flashed her private parts to him.

I have nothing wrong with Religion, but I find everything wrong when someone is hiding behind religion and is really a total sneak.

You implied racism when you said he had nominated every black person in the house! Similar for you comments about him claiming he was not homophobic!

I don't find him in the least bit sneaky - quite the opposite - he seems very open about most things, including his religion!


And you could say that Govan and Ife nomiated only white.

[boomoo]

I'm not a Dave fan really, I don't agree with his regigious beliefs. However, the belief that seems to override everything else for him is that he thinks God wants him to love everyone. Strange that would incite so much hate.

Well part of it is down to the fact he mentioned homosexuals. This of course is why he was placed in a house with Corin, Shabby, Mario, Govan and others who have declared a passing dabble.

Ife is the one who kept stirring because she knew Dave would be disliked for his views on homosexuality. I had one post pulled because I explained that the law said same sex could have a civil partnership to bring equality to people. This is not described as a marriage. And the question should not be raised about whether it can take place in a church or not.
Can you play tennis on a golf course. No.
Trying to see if I can state the law with out getting wiped.

Dave goes over the top and he does talk a lot of rubbish.
By far the worst was pleading with Steve's stumps to grow. Steve just turned his back and walked away but the younger housemates would have pounced on him if they had heard that. Ridiculous man.
Most of what he says has nothing to do with religion.

[newspresenter]

No not all language is free speech I`m afraid some hate speech can be considered illegal but it depends on how it was said and the motive behind it and what was said

Its about interpretation, the law is about interpretation. If i say in a shouting manner that i hate such n such, but afterwards saying i don't mean it in a nasty way, it will be defined as incitement.

The law makers decide the definition of it, thus, they can arrest who they like, they can effectively ban speech they don't feel benefits them.

[newspresenter]

Religious hatred would be active, if he actually condems other religions. But he's not ... all religions believe their religion is the be all and end all - that they are superior in beliefs.

But to say his belief is the be all end all, means mine isn't, so he is attacking my belief system. I don't mind him saying that, but we have rules that mean what he said is incitement to religious hated.

[newspresenter]

It is only fair these laws had to be created because there was so much widespread racism and homophobia within society and there still is believe me

Define racism and homophobia. And why didn't you refer to hetrophobia aswell?

[cazzy555]

I don't really have a problem with Dave but I do think he's just replaced his old addiction of drink and drugs with a new addiction of god, and like most people with an addiction he tends to hang around with people with similar addictions and when he meets people that don't think the same then he tries to justify by saying how great it is.

he needs his god like a junky needs a fix so when someone tries to make him explain it or questions it he gets angry and refuses to discuss it.

just my thoughts anyway.

[LadyNay]

But to say his belief is the be all end all, means mine isn't, so he is attacking my belief system. I don't mind him saying that, but we have rules that mean what he said is incitement to religious hated.

So in that case all religious people incite religious hatred ... and if that's the case what's the point in singling out this particular case. Caoimhe says religious is bull****. Is she inciting hatred? Again ... it's free speech. Until he actually advocates hateful acts against other type of people or says specifically negative things about other religions or beliefs .. he's not insciting hatred.
He's saying that in his opinion, his religion is the best. FREE SPEECH

[Livia]

Well part of it is down to the fact he mentioned homosexuals. This of course is why he was placed in a house with Corin, Shabby, Mario, Govan and others who have declared a passing dabble.

Ife is the one who kept stirring because she knew Dave would be disliked for his views on homosexuality. I had one post pulled because I explained that the law said same sex could have a civil partnership to bring equality to people. This is not described as a marriage. And the question should not be raised about whether it can take place in a church or not.
Can you play tennis on a golf course. No.
Trying to see if I can state the law with out getting wiped.

Dave goes over the top and he does talk a lot of rubbish.
By far the worst was pleading with Steve's stumps to grow. Steve just turned his back and walked away but the younger housemates would have pounced on him if they had heard that. Ridiculous man.
Most of what he says has nothing to do with religion.

Dave stated his position on gays because he was asked, ad nausium. Some people are like a dog with a bone and just want to drag him into an argument. He is a religious man obviously, and some people are going to disagree with him. I don't actually agree with him myself, and the "healing" thing was squirmingly embarrassing, but asking the question "is he breaking the law" is stretching things a bit far considering the low-lifes who are wandering around free in the country.

Good point on the gay marriage thing though. People show their stupidity by continuing to ask the question.

[Jords]

:rolleyes:

[camertone]

dave is evil, he is satanist.