Getting blown up by a bomb does not make you a hero!

[Abhorsen]

Why all the ******* about Steve being a war hero? There are plenty of people who have been blown up by bombs, that does not make them a hero, it makes them a victim.

Steve joined the army of his own free will, he got paid for it, they gave him a good life and a good living. That is NOT a hero. Even if he hadn't been bombed he would have been thrown out of the army for his fat arse, that weight would not be fit for the army.

Steve is milking it.

[stoney]

Why all the ******* about Steve being a war hero? There are plenty of people who have been blown up by bombs, that does not make them a hero, it makes them a victim.

Steve joined the army of his own free will, he got paid for it, they gave him a good life and a good living. That is NOT a hero. Even if he hadn't been bombed he would have been thrown out of the army for his fat arse, that weight would not be fit for the army.

Steve is milking it.

being prepared to stand up for your country and being prepared to put yourself in the situation where you can be blown to bits makes him , and every serving soldier, a war hero imo

something you will never understand tho

[GypsyGoth]

I think he put on the weight after he got blown up.

And I think it depends how you categorise a hero, he is courageous to put his life on the line so others in society can enjoy freedom.

[flamingGalah!]

I do agree to a certain extent that he isn't a hero... if a civilian gets blown up they are not a hero are they? He indeed is a victim, but I'm sure he has done heroic things...

[Hero1]

being prepared to stand up for your country and being prepared to put yourself in the situation where you can be blown to bits makes him , and every serving soldier, a war hero imo

something you will never understand tho

Depends really.

Going to fight in Iraq was about politics and corrupt oil barons, you would not believe the amount of resources are in Afghanistan and all the big business gone over there during this 8-9 year war.

I think Heroes save lives, not take lives and the amount of lives lost in Iraq and Afghanistan results in mass murder in my opinion.

WW2 was very different, literally "nearly" every war since has had a dodgy question mark over it.

When our children are young and do something bad as athe result of their friends telling them to do so, we ask, if they told you to jump of a bridge would you do it..must children usually say no. The weird thing is, our troops usually jump of that bridge with no questions asked to our corrupt politicians.

The truth is we have so much propaganda spun by our government about the troops, none of us are prepared to criticise the wars going on now, it is all about support the troops. Thus meaning we are really emotionally manipulated into supporting their bogus war.

[stoney]

using his lack of limbs and going round showing other amputees that there is still a life to live is a very good thing and very courageous imo.

still dont want him to win tho

[GypsyGoth]

I do agree to a certain extent that he isn't a hero... if a civilian gets blown up they are not a hero are they? He indeed is a victim, but I'm sure he has done heroic things...

But don't guys join the army knowing the risk, the possibility that they might die or get wounded. So isn't the act of joining heroic?

[flamingGalah!]

But don't guys join the army knowing the risk, the possibility that they might die or get wounded. So isn't the act of joining heroic?

Which is why I said I'm sure he has done heroic things...

[Hero1]

But don't guys join the army knowing the risk, the possibility that they might die or get wounded. So isn't the act of joining heroic?

Some join the army because the town they come from naturally has a course where their children go to the army, it is normal for them. Others because they have nothing else in life to do, some join the army with pure good intentions.

[Patrick]

Correct.

[stoney]

Depends really.

Going to fight in Iraq was about politics and corrupt oil barons, you would not believe the amount of resources are in Afghanistan and all the big business gone over there during this 8-9 year war.

I think Heroes save lives, not take lives and the amount of lives lost in Iraq and Afghanistan results in mass murder in my opinion.

WW2 was very different, literally "nearly" every war since has had a dodgy question mark over it.

When I children are young and do something bad as athe result of their friends telling them to do so, we ask, if they told you to jump of a bridge would you do it..must children usually say no. The weird thing is, our troops usually jump of that bridge with no questions asked to our corrupt politicians.

The truth is we have so much propaganda spun by our government about the troops, none of us are prepared to criticise the wars going on now, it is all about support the troops. Thus meaning we are really emotionally manipulated into supporting their bogus war.



But you are getting the politics mixed up tho.

I will never forget nu liebore's hypocrasy and that war criminal Bliars lies that sent us to war.

But our serving soldiers have no choice but to fight in wars our govt send them into

[ButterflyGirl]

What's his weight got to do with anything ,uncalled for. i think anyone that fights for thier country is brave and proud and if they have put thier life on the line to defend then they are heroic.

[Angus]

Why all the ******* about Steve being a war hero? There are plenty of people who have been blown up by bombs, that does not make them a hero, it makes them a victim.

Steve joined the army of his own free will, he got paid for it, they gave him a good life and a good living. That is NOT a hero. Even if he hadn't been bombed he would have been thrown out of the army for his fat arse, that weight would not be fit for the army.

Steve is milking it.

As far as I'm concerned ALL soldiers are heroes -or do you expect them to put their lives on the line out of the goodness of their hearts and not be paid for it? It takes guts to be in the armed forces these days, and if you had any idea of what you're talking about as regards the IRA terrorism of 20 years ago, you would know that Steve was maimed in the line of duty, so he is a hero.

It is also heroic how he has managed to deal with it since it happened to him at the age of 19. Imagine having to readjust at that age to a life with such a disability. As to insulting him because he is fat, I wonder how nimble and fit you would be after 20 odd years with two prosthetic legs?

[Hero1]

But you are getting the politics mixed up tho.

I will never forget nu liebore's hypocrasy and that war criminal Bliars lies that sent us to war.

But our serving soldiers have no choice but to fight in wars our govt send them into

War is politics, most wars are forumulated by central government, and the sheeps are sent out to kill, get killed and lose limbs for their gains.

[Livia]

Why all the ******* about Steve being a war hero? There are plenty of people who have been blown up by bombs, that does not make them a hero, it makes them a victim.

Steve joined the army of his own free will, he got paid for it, they gave him a good life and a good living. That is NOT a hero. Even if he hadn't been bombed he would have been thrown out of the army for his fat arse, that weight would not be fit for the army.

Steve is milking it.


Sigh.

[Abhorsen]

What's his weight got to do with anything ,uncalled for.

Sooooo, it's OK to discuss endlessly the females HM weight, especially the stuff on the forum about Rachael and Josie, but oh no, not Steve, cos he's a war hero, blah blah blah.

Steve put himself in that BB house, so everything discussed is far game.

[Livia]

War is politics, most wars are forumulated by central government, and the sheeps are sent out to kill, get killed and lose limbs for their gains.

Didn't take toothpick long to make a reappearance, did it.

[stoney]

yep war is politics and our soldiers are just the pawns of their govt.

Just Bliar's govt sent our troops to war using a lie that he should be hung for imo but instead he makes millions out of the oil companies that have benefitted from the war

[johnx]

The war hero thing is over the top.Steves favourite song "The British Soldier" is about young working class lads joining the army to escape the dole cue to be sent to a conflict they knew and cared little about.British Govt. didnt consider it a war and we know the army used excessive force on ocassion.Some of their actions were far from heroic.The media want the people of the UK to worship the armed forces as it takes the heat off the Govt. for gettin involved in millitary adventures that are'nt popular with most of the public.

[Livia]

The war hero thing is over the top.Steves favourite song "The British Soldier" is about young working class lads joining the army to escape the dole cue to be sent to a conflict they knew and cared little about.British Govt. didnt consider it a war and we know the army used excessive force on ocassion.Some of their actions were far from heroic.The media want the people of the UK to worship the armed forces as it takes the heat off them for gettin involved in millitary adventures that are'nt popular with most of the public.

Whereas, the IRA's actions were heroic?

These threads go too far. The people who sit, secure in their anonimity, and spout inflamatory things on subjects about which they obviously know nothing, do so because people fought and sometimes died for your freedom to do that.

Mods... is this, or is this not a Big Brother forum?

[Hero1]

The war hero thing is over the top.Steves favourite song "The British Soldier" is about young working class lads joining the army to escape the dole cue to be sent to a conflict they knew and cared little about.British Govt. didnt consider it a war and we know the army used excessive force on ocassion.Some of their actions were far from heroic.The media want the people of the UK to worship the armed forces as it takes the heat off them for gettin involved in millitary adventures that are'nt popular with most of the public.

Eh?

Anyway I look at the police, nurses, doctors and firebrigade as more intelligent heroes out there.

People like Andre Agassi are true heroes, people who go out of their ways and do something to IMPROVES people's lives, start up academies and educated the poor and make a real difference to people lives.

How a parade of cluster bombs launched on residential area's are might to improve lives beggars belief.

[Hero1]

Whereas, the IRA's actions were heroic?

These threads go too far. The people who sit, secure in their anonimity, and spout inflamatory things on subjects about which they obviously know nothing, do so because people fought and sometimes died for your freedom to do that.

Mods... is this, or is this not a Big Brother forum?

That is a bit offensive, aren't our soilders meant to be fighting for freddom of speech? Why then do you want to take it away from us.

[GypsyGoth]

Sooooo, it's OK to discuss endlessly the females HM weight, especially the stuff on the forum about Rachael and Josie, but oh no, not Steve, cos he's a war hero, blah blah blah.

Steve put himself in that BB house, so everything discussed is far game.

Butterfly never suggested it was ok to discuss female HMs weight.

[walter]

people only make out hes a hero because he got blown up and has no legs and eye. had he come out of it fine and entered the house no one would be saying this and would be put up for nomination by now

[walter]

Butterfly never suggested it was ok to discuss female HMs weight.

difference is steve knows hes fat as does everyone watching. Rachael however thought she was gods gift and people on here thought she wasn't fat when in actual fact she was . she looked more like venus williams

[Abhorsen]

But our serving soldiers have no choice but to fight in wars our govt send them into

RLMAO. Of course they DO have a choice, they joined the army, what did they think they were going to do, play tiddlywinks!!!!

It is silly to suggest that people in the army don't enjoy what they do. I have friends in the forces and they love their job. You really have no idea. You would be shocked if you really heard what solders discuss among themselves. LOL.

You all think of serving solders as something you have seen in a movie or TV, the *nice* comfortable acceptable face of the forces. You would not be calling them 'our boys' if you really knew what they get up to and actually enjoy doing in their line of work.

Grow up.

[stoney]

people only make out hes a hero because he got blown up and has no legs and eye. had he come out of it fine and entered the house no one would be saying this and would be put up for nomination by now

but the difference with that scenario is , unforunately,the producers would never have put him in the house as we all know

[monx]

Soldiers sign up to put their life on the line in order to protect and preserve the freedoms we enjoy. It doesnt matter what reason they had for joining, once they are signed up they are expected to go where ever the army sends them. They do not question their sacrifice they just do it ... for that reason alone they are heros in my opinion.

Steve is a hero because he willingly put himself in the line of fire. That said, I cant say that i like him and found his behaviour with Keely rather uncomfortable to watch and I am sure his wife and children will have been disgusted. I dont think him being a war hero means that he automatically wins Big Brother. To be honest as it is nothing but a big popularity test he will probably come out the first time he is up for eviction.

[Alpertinator]

OP... you didn't stop to think that the reason he's chubby is cos' he's 41 and he has had no legs since he was 19! Being a double amputee makes it very hard to stay in good shape. I'm sure if his legs weren't blown off he would have remained in good shape into his 30's at least and so there would have been no reason to kick him out of the army before he would have decided to retire.

[GypsyGoth]

difference is steve knows hes fat as does everyone watching. Rachael however thought she was gods gift and people on here thought she wasn't fat when in actual fact she was . she looked more like venus williams

Just because you say someone is fat, doesn't make it a fact. I didn't think Rachel was fat, she wasn't even close to being so.

[Hero1]

He is still strong though isnt he.

[Julie10]

Why all the ******* about Steve being a war hero? There are plenty of people who have been blown up by bombs, that does not make them a hero, it makes them a victim.

Steve joined the army of his own free will, he got paid for it, they gave him a good life and a good living. That is NOT a hero. Even if he hadn't been bombed he would have been thrown out of the army for his fat arse, that weight would not be fit for the army.

Steve is milking it.


Do you know if he was fat before his horrific injuries? He probably gained weight while recovering when he was unable to exercise.:nono:

[stoney]

RLMAO. Of course they DO have a choice, they joined the army, what did they think they were going to do, play tiddlywinks!!!!

It is silly to suggest that people in the army don't enjoy what they do. I have friends in the forces and they love their job. You really have no idea. You would be shocked if you really heard what solders discuss among themselves. LOL.

You all think of serving solders as something you have seen in a movie or TV, the *nice* comfortable acceptable face of the forces. You would not be calling them 'our boys' if you really knew what they get up to and actually enjoy doing in their line of work.

Grow up.

troll you have NO IDEA of what i do or do not know.

My brother in law served 2 terms in NI and I have a good many friends both ex-serving soldiers and current ones.
Just cos you claim to know a few people who enjoy their job in forces does not change the FACT that they are expected to go to war whenever they are told to wherever they are told to. If they are lucky they will never be put in that position tho.
As for your "hints" about what soldier's may or may not get up to, yep some nasty things happen in war from ALL sides.
If it saves 1 life from our boys i am happy with that thanks

[CaudleHalbard]

People often drift into the armed forces because they can't get a job anywhere else!

Not saying this is necessarily the case for Steve. But I certainly agree that being blown up by a bomb doesn't make you a hero. During the troubles in N. Ireland plenty of people were blown up by bombs..... including many in England (London, Birminhgam etc). Mostly civilians.

They aren't held out as heroes.

[WOMBAI]

Why all the ******* about Steve being a war hero? There are plenty of people who have been blown up by bombs, that does not make them a hero, it makes them a victim.

Steve joined the army of his own free will, he got paid for it, they gave him a good life and a good living. That is NOT a hero. Even if he hadn't been bombed he would have been thrown out of the army for his fat arse, that weight would not be fit for the army.

Steve is milking it.

He was injured whilst doing his job, a dangerous job! If brave men like him didn't join the army - blokes like you would be made to do it through National Service - so he is a hero in my book and the that of many others! Thank God for men like him rather than those like you - that's all I can say!

[Abhorsen]

The war hero thing is over the top.Steves favourite song "The British Soldier" is about young working class lads joining the army to escape the dole cue to be sent to a conflict they knew and cared little about.British Govt. didnt consider it a war and we know the army used excessive force on ocassion.Some of their actions were far from heroic.The media want the people of the UK to worship the armed forces as it takes the heat off the Govt. for gettin involved in millitary adventures that are'nt popular with most of the public.

Well said.

And it's a good point about the poor being sent off like fodder in wars. The reason why the media/government push the 'hero' image is to keep young dumb lads queuing up to die etc. It has always been the same, and if you think that kind of propaganda is recent you should check out the vast amount of information there is about WW1 propaganda specifically designed to get young poor men to join up with the reality being most would die.

To perpetrate the myth/lie of the image of 'hero solder' is actually a disservice to those who serve in the forces, as well as to the young poor males and females who end up joining up as a last resort.

I don't see ministers offspring out there! But, if you have a private education and great choice of options in life you wouldn't need to put your life and limb on the line for a measly few thousand pounds a year.

[stoney]

People often drift into the armed forces because they can't get a job anywhere else!

Not saying this is necessarily the case for Steve. But I certainly agree that being blown up by a bomb doesn't make you a hero. During the troubles in N. Ireland plenty of people were blown up by bombs..... including many in England (London, Birminhgam etc). Mostly civilians.

They aren't held out as heroes.

but did those civilians walk about in uniform as targets for those cowards :conf:

[Alpertinator]

It is silly to suggest that people in the army don't enjoy what they do. I have friends in the forces and they love their job. You really have no idea. You would be shocked if you really heard what solders discuss among themselves. LOL.

You're the fella' who has no idea. You think nobody who gets blown up like that is a hero? I guess you and me each have a very different perception of the word hero.

You all think of serving solders as something you have seen in a movie or TV, the *nice* comfortable acceptable face of the forces. You would not be calling them 'our boys' if you really knew what they get up to and actually enjoy doing in their line of work.

Grow up.

Harsh generalisation. I don't conform to the stereo-typical soldier. I take soldiers as they are presented to me I'll say. For example, the men of Easy company portrayed in Band of Brothers, I accept that they were very heroic men, but that they did have flaws. Like when they were brutally beating a man from Item company, a man of their very same regiment.

I'm aware that soldiers aren't out and out heroes. Some of the soldiers serving in the middle east in this generation... apparently... do some horrific things, to enemy prisoners and such. But let's be honest, they're just a few bad apples. Most of the people serving out there are very brave and honourable.

[WOMBAI]

RLMAO. Of course they DO have a choice, they joined the army, what did they think they were going to do, play tiddlywinks!!!!

It is silly to suggest that people in the army don't enjoy what they do. I have friends in the forces and they love their job. You really have no idea. You would be shocked if you really heard what solders discuss among themselves. LOL.

You all think of serving solders as something you have seen in a movie or TV, the *nice* comfortable acceptable face of the forces. You would not be calling them 'our boys' if you really knew what they get up to and actually enjoy doing in their line of work.

Grow up.

I would imagine playing tiddlywinks is about your limit! :joker:

I think you need to grow up!

[Alpertinator]

And it's a good point about the poor being sent off like fodder in wars. The reason why the media/government push the 'hero' image is to keep young dumb lads queuing up to die etc. It has always been the same, and if you think that kind of propaganda is recent you should check out the vast amount of information there is about WW1 propaganda specifically designed to get young poor men to join up with the reality being most would die.

Oh my god, you are still overlooking the simple point that just because the conflict is unneccesary and a sign of the corruption of our government, it doesn't mean the servicemen and women are not heroes. They are heroes, even though the conflict is wrong. The government is responsible for that. The armed forces don't choose where they go and fight, they just do their job, and their job is a heroic one - same as for firefighters... and policemen... I guess (police forces in the UK are basically neutered the way I see it but that's a different issue).

[WOMBAI]

You're the fella' who has no idea. You think nobody who gets blown up like that is a hero? I guess you and me each have a very different perception of the word hero.



Harsh generalisation. I don't conform to the stereo-typical soldier. I take soldiers as they are presented to me I'll say. For example, the men of Easy company portrayed in Band of Brothers, I accept that they were very heroic men, but that they did have flaws. Like when they were brutally beating a man from Item company, a man of their very same regiment.

I'm aware that soldiers aren't out and out heroes. Some of the soldiers serving in the middle east in this generation... apparently... do some horrific things, to enemy prisoners and such. But let's be honest, they're just a few bad apples. Most of the people serving out there are very brave and honourable.

This!

[MTVN]

The word "hero" is overused so much these days. Why are soldiers heros? Sure they're brave and they risk their lives, but then so do the Taleban, so do the IRA, are they heroes as well?

[WOMBAI]

But don't guys join the army knowing the risk, the possibility that they might die or get wounded. So isn't the act of joining heroic?

Of course it is - but, unfortunately, some lack the basic understanding to comprehend that fact!

[WOMBAI]

The word "hero" is overused so much these days. Why are soldiers heros? Sure they're brave and they risk their lives, but then so do the Taleban, so do the IRA, are they heroes as well?

The Taliban are dictators who kill their own if they don't fall into line - if that is your idea of heros - god help us!

[stoney]

RLMAO. Of course they DO have a choice, they joined the army, what did they think they were going to do, play tiddlywinks!!!!
.

long long time ago when i was 18 and had just dropped out on uni I aplied to join the Army (royal Signals)

Thought it would be a good way to learn a trade like the father of the girl I was going out with had (who had served 15 years with no time at war) . The idea of going to war simply never occurred to me as we were at peace, mostly.

It was after the second round of interviews I had passed at catterick that i thought of the war side of things and changed my mind about signing up cos , tbh, I am far more suited to tittleywinks than war

[MTVN]

The Taliban are dictators who kill their own if they don't fall into line - if that is your idea of heros - god help us!

No, thats not my idea of heroes, but I dont consider the Army heroes either.

The Taleban risk their lives, like the Army, they are technically brave, like the Army. So why is it that people say "soldiers are such heroes, risking their lives for their country", when surely, by that definition, the Taleban are heroes also

[WOMBAI]

No, thats not my idea of heroes, but I dont consider the Army heroes either.

The Taleban risk their lives, like the Army, they are technically brave, like the Army. So why is it that people say "soldiers are such heroes, risking their lives for their country", when surely, by that definition, the Taleban are heroes also

Because the Taliban are fighting to keep control - so they can continue to force their views and way of life on others! Soldiers are there to do their job - even if they don't agree with why they are there - they have a job to do and they do it - despite the risks! Brave men in my eyes!

[LKSmith2]

How many times have people gone over this subject now? Seems to be a new thread about it everyday. Its pretty boring really.

[Bonbons81]

"hero (male) and heroine (female) came to refer to characters who, in the face of danger and adversity or from a position of weakness, display courage and the will for self sacrifice" - wikipedia gotta love it!!

The word hero means different things to different people, if people think Steve is a hero then he is in their eyes and vice versa there is no right or wrong answer on this one!

I think he is inspirational for what he has dealt with and overcome, to many, especially those who can relate to him on that level I can imagine he is a hero...

All that said I don't actually like him as a person and defo don't want him to win!!

[MTVN]

Because the Taliban are fighting to keep control - so they can continue to force their views and way of life on others! Soldiers are there to do their job - even if they don't agree with why they are there - they have a job to do and they do it - despite the risks! Brave men in my eyes!

And are British soldiers not trying to force Western life on the Afghans? I dont think that doing your job makes you a hero. I agree that they're brave, but that doesnt make them heroes.

[johnx]

My advice to anyone interested in this is to read a few books.Read about the British Army,Taliban,IRA,UVF,Irish/British history,WW1/WW2,Vietnam etc.etc.Dont just rely on a tabloid newspaper or few minutes in a news bulletin to get your opinions.Watch some documentaries.Believe it or not youl be better able to form a balanced opinion.

[Benjamin]

difference is steve knows hes fat as does everyone watching. Rachael however thought she was gods gift and people on here thought she wasn't fat when in actual fact she was . she looked more like venus williams


If people on here think Rachel was fat, then some people have a blurred vision of being overweight. She's a normal size.

Back to the topic, the fact he got blown up by a bomb doesn't make him a hero, the fact he chose to stand up for, serve and protect his country does.