Is it right for CH4 to promote money making scams?

[Abhorsen]

When Baldwin went into the house he did NOT promote a money making scheme, he simply put forward his beliefs.

Other religious people have been in the house, none of them were selling anything using their 'faith' as a promo tool.

But Dave and his friends are a business, they arrange gigs 'meetings' that sell tickets at £30.00 plus a go, and CDs and other items.

Ch4 is simply giving Dave a chance to promote his business interests. And his business interests should be investigated, does Dave pay tax on his income? There is no Charity registration number on his websites.

CH4 should not be allowing HM in the BB house who are there to promote a scam.

[flamingGalah!]

The con man should NEVER have been allowed on TV... :nono:

[chuff me dizzy]

This is EXACTLY why he is in there ,MONEY ,and just think all the brainwashed/braindead who have believed his"Indian orphanage" BS ,will have been donating while he has been in there bleating on about it ,hes a FRAUDSTER

[arista]

When Baldwin went into the house he did NOT promote a money making scheme, he simply put forward his beliefs.

Other religious people have been in the house, none of them were selling anything using their 'faith' as a promo tool.

But Dave and his friends are a business, they arrange gigs 'meetings' that sell tickets at £30.00 plus a go, and CDs and other items.

Ch4 is simply giving Dave a chance to promote his business interests. And his business interests should be investigated, does Dave pay tax on his income? There is no Charity registration number on his websites.

CH4 should not be allowing HM in the BB house who are there to promote a scam.


Ch4 do not see it like that
They have lawyers , that sought it.

[watchinittoomuch]

It's only a scam if you dont believe, or know it to be completely false..now while you or I might not, I honestly think Dave believes every word he says...and therefore doesnt see it as peddling anything, more like spreading the word

[fingers]

out and out Charlatanism aimed at the vulnerable teens and twens brigade.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

The con man should NEVER have been allowed on TV... :nono:

Well said, totally agree, cant stand the man.:devil:

[fingers]

Ch4 do not see it like that
They have lawyers , that sought it.

Arista knows EVERTHING!!!:hugesmile::hugesmile::hugesmile::huge smile:

[vesavius]

It's true that The New Ecstatics seem to be a profit motivated organisation (Dave talks about his friends making hundreds of thousands of pounds from their ministries) but the real threat here is that C4 are giving a platform to a potentiolly destructive cult that could cost people years of their lives.

I personally think they thought they were just putting a 'laughing drunk monk' in there, I honestly don't think they considered the wider picture of who he is and what he represents.

[fingers]

It's only a scam if you dont believe, or know it to be completely false..now while you or I might not, I honestly think Dave believes every word he says...and therefore doesnt see it as peddling anything, more like spreading the word

If he really believes all the crap he spouts then he is in dire need of psychiatric help, preferably in a secure institution:hugesmile:

[fingers]

It's true that The New Ecstatics seem to be a profit motivated organisation (Dave talks about his friends making hundreds of thousands of pounds from their ministries) but the real threat here is that C4 are giving a platform to a potentiolly destructive cult that could cost people years of their lives.

I personally think they thought they were just putting a 'laughing drunk monk' in there, I honestly don't think they considered the wider picture of who he is and what he represents.

I go along with that!

[watchinittoomuch]

If he really believes all the crap he spouts then he is in dire need of psychiatric help, preferably in a secure institution:hugesmile:


If you put it like that it applies to every religion...miracles are the hardest thing in the world to believe....yes every Christian leader truly believe Christ walked on water and turned water into wine....feed the five thousand with a couple of loaves and fish...it all sounds bonkers when you really look at it.

[fingers]

If you put it like that it applies to every religion...miracles are the hardest thing in the world to believe....yes every Christian leader truly believe Christ walked on water and turned water into wine....feed the five thousand with a couple of loaves and fish...it all sounds bonkers when you really look at it.

Most of them however, don't look on their "Donations" as their own private pension fund.

[eviled2010]

He's a Snake oil Salesman in the classic mold. History is full 0f them.
It's a sad indictment of this country's education that critical thinking isn't part of the curriculum.
Dave has demonstrated diddly squat supernatural knowledge or gifts in that house yet he has at least one housemate enthralled by his BS and others willing to sit around thinking they are having serious discussions about demons, angels and all sorts with him.
It's pathetic.

[vesavius]

If you put it like that it applies to every religion...miracles are the hardest thing in the world to believe....yes every Christian leader truly believe Christ walked on water and turned water into wine....feed the five thousand with a couple of loaves and fish...it all sounds bonkers when you really look at it.

The difference here is that Dave is telling us that supernatural happenings are happening everyday and that these events are fact, yet he offers no solid proof (nothing in fact past his own anecdotal stories).

[watchinittoomuch]

Most of them however, don't look on their "Donations" as their own private pension fund.


Hmm...the Catholic Church is probably the biggest money maker of them all, and like every money making organisation you cant say for 100% sure that every penny is spent where it should be or that every person 'in charge' has altruistic motives..

I'm just trying to say that while I dont believe the stuff he speaks, I really think he does...and because I cant do that double quoting malarkey, to the last person who posted after me, I think you'll find that ALL religions tell their stories and believe their doctrines and scriptures to be fact, and tell them as so...that's the point, they believe their faith is fact....and can any of them prove anything? Not one...which is why there are so many people without faith.

[Abhorsen]

Hmm...the Catholic Church is probably the biggest money maker of them all, and like every money making organisation you cant say for 100% sure that every penny is spent where it should be or that every person 'in charge' has altruistic motives..



Two wrongs don't make a right.

Dave is a con man, no actual church would go near him.

[watchinittoomuch]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Dave is a con man, no actual church would go near him.


Maybe not, but you cant just assume that the only reason he does this is to line his own pockets...the man knows he has put himself out there to be ridiculed by everyone, he's not Machiavelli he's just some bod from Wales. Myself, I'd wait to hear some horror stories of people who had been conned out of cash before I decided he was a con man, but that's just me :)

[chuff me dizzy]

Most of them however, don't look on their "Donations" as their own private pension fund.

The McCanns have done very nicely out of their fraudelent fund too

[InOne]

Thank God for Atheism ;)

[chuff me dizzy]

Thank God for Atheism ;)

Halleluih !!(sp):worship:

[fingers]

Halleluih !!(sp):worship:

Think Eurovision! Hallelujah

[chuff me dizzy]

Think Eurovision! Hallelujah

Right !! :thumbs:

[Claymores]

Think Eurovision! Hallelujah

pah to that, think Happy Mondays

[vesavius]

pah to that, think Happy Mondays

twistin me melon man....

[Abhorsen]

thank god for atheism ;)

lol.

[Abhorsen]

you cant just assume that the only reason he does this is to line his own pockets...

So why is he selling tickets to events every couple of weeks at £30.00 plus a ticket? Why aren't the events free? Why does he have to organise events to worship God, most Christians manage to worship with out that crap. Why is he helping to sell CDs and loads of other crap? Why is Dave sitting in a wheelchair being pushed around the streets collecting money and 'touching' people?

You just don't want to see Dave how he really is.

[vesavius]

So why is he selling tickets to events every couple of weeks at £30.00 plus a ticket? Why aren't the events free? Why does he have to organise events to worship God, most Christians manage to worship with out that crap. Why is he helping to sell CDs and loads of other crap? Why is Dave sitting in a wheelchair being pushed around the streets collecting money and 'touching' people?

You just don't want to see Dave how he really is.

I actually didnt know his sloshfests were paid events...

wow, £30 a head to just pretend to get drunk in a shabby community hall?

Bargain.

[watchinittoomuch]

So why is he selling tickets to events every couple of weeks at £30.00 plus a ticket? Why aren't the events free? Why does he have to organise events to worship God, most Christians manage to worship with out that crap. Why is he helping to sell CDs and loads of other crap? Why is Dave sitting in a wheelchair being pushed around the streets collecting money and 'touching' people?

You just don't want to see Dave how he really is.


It's not that all, I just dont feel comfortable accusing anyone of being something as harsh as a charlatan or con man before I at least have some evidence to back it up.

Has anyone delved into what he does with the money? Can you prove he keeps it all for himself?

I'm a Ben fan primarily, this is not about protecting anyone...I just like to play devil's advocate when people get carried away :D

[chuff me dizzy]

It's not that all, I just dont feel comfortable accusing anyone of being something as harsh as a charlatan or con man before I at least have some evidence to back it up.

Has anyone delved into what he does with the money? Can you prove he keeps it all for himself?

I'm a Ben fan primarily, this is not about protecting anyone...I just like to play devil's advocate when people get carried away :D

He said he packed in work to work for his Lord ,so that doesnt take a lot of working out does it ? hes travelled the world ,in the last couple of years since he started "working for Jesus"you cannot do this on giros alone

[vesavius]

Has anyone delved into what he does with the money? Can you prove he keeps it all for himself?



I have looked into it but I can't find any links to or evidence of any type of community project, and I know others here have said they have looked as well.

I believe links have even been requested to any kind of worthwhile use of the revenue generated.

None have been provided yet though, just unsupported vague claims of a donation of £20,000 to a single group of hungarian goat herders (or something) by Peter Plunker.

[chuff me dizzy]

I actually didnt know his sloshfests were paid events...

wow, £30 a head to just pretend to get drunk in a shabby community hall?

Bargain.

Vesa are you up for going to his next one? I would LOVE to ,stand on a chair and heckle him

[Harry!]

I find it ironic as Channel 4 are money making swines themselves.

[watchinittoomuch]

He said he packed in work to work for his Lord ,so that doesnt take a lot of working out does it ? hes travelled the world ,in the last couple of years since he started "working for Jesus"you cannot do this on giros alone

No you cant, but you cant just accuse people of theiving or conning either without some kind of proof.

[vesavius]

Vesa are you up for going to his next one? I would LOVE to ,stand on a chair and heckle him

I would, but we would have to have a duel armed with wet fish over your scandalous views on Josie :joker::joker:

[watchinittoomuch]

I have looked into it but I can't find any links to or evidence of any type of community project, and I know others here have said they have looked as well.

I believe links have even been requested to any kind of worthwhile use of the revenue generated.

None have been provided yet though, just unsupported vague claims
of a donation of £20,000 to a single group of hungarian goat herders (or something) by Peter Plunker.

Does he live a fancy lifestyle then? Does he have a massive house and smart car and go frittering away other people's money on flash holidays?

I really can see what you're saying, and why others get concerned, but I just think it's better to have all the facts before everyone just decides the fella is a conman. You;d also have to assume that C4 tried to find out a bit about him before he went into the house...at least you'd hope they would, I'm sure they would have to do a certain amount of background checks on everybody.

[chuff me dizzy]

No you cant, but you cant just accuse people of theiving or conning either without some kind of proof.

He charges cancer victims to pray for them ,he claims he has cured cancer ,he also claims he can grow back limbs ,he claims his flock can levitate,he claims hes has visions and predicted the Japanese earthquake(never rang the bbc or Japanese embassy )hes a CHARLATAN and a conman

[chuff me dizzy]

I would, but we would have to have a duel armed with wet fish over your scandalous views on Josie :joker::joker:

We could put BB behind us for the day and give him $h1t !!!

[fingers]

He's taking his sloshfest to America, more expense!

[vesavius]

Does he live a fancy lifestyle then? Does he have a massive house and smart car and go frittering away other people's money on flash holidays?

I really can see what you're saying, and why others get concerned, but I just think it's better to have all the facts before everyone just decides the fella is a conman. You;d also have to assume that C4 tried to find out a bit about him before he went into the house...at least you'd hope they would, I'm sure they would have to do a certain amount of background checks on everybody.

no, he lives at what I would consider a comfortable level on a wage that he draws fom the cult.

The rest stays in the bank, because it obviously isnt going anywhere else.

It would be silly for someone running a long con to drive a lamborghini around right now right? Don't be fooled though, Dave has already talked of his friends in the US running ministries that take 'hundreds of thousands a year' in revenue and it's obvious he has his eye on the prize. Cults have terrific earning power once established.

[chuff me dizzy]

He's taking his sloshfest to America, more expense!

Hes been lots of times ,they LOVE him man over there ,they will do ,they are all as daft as him ,all into these Charlatans

[watchinittoomuch]

Blimey, I do hope if I ever go to court none of you lot are on the jury...talk about convicted without a trial :laugh:

[chuff me dizzy]

no, he lives at what I would consider a comfortable level on a wage that he draws fom the cult.

The rest stays in the bank, because it isnt going anywhere else.

It would be silly for someone running a long con to drive a lamborghini around right now right? Don't be fooled though, Dave has already talked of his friends in the US running ministries that take 'hundreds of thousands a year' in revenue and it's obvious he has his eye on the prize. Cults have terrific earning power once established.

And VERY dangerous

[fingers]

The wheezing drunk in full flow,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utyQLbtlv8U

Smell the oil and watch out for the indoor rain as well. This is Enoch-alation according to the Ch 4 buffoon!

[vesavius]

We could put BB behind us for the day and give him $h1t !!!

lol :joker:

[fingers]

More wheezing and lying!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6zp3Ha1njo&feature=related

[fingers]

Friar Vaughan in his wheelchair!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OcPrMSeP9o&feature=related


Touching and healing!

[fingers]

More crap in Brighton! free Healing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecp8My6uKJU&feature=related

[fingers]

I cannot believe that NO ONE at Channel 4 knew of this rubbish before he went into BB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg_41v57kv8&feature=related

He's been posting this RUBBISH on YouTube for YEARS!

[chuff me dizzy]

I cannot believe that NO ONE at Channel 4 knew of this rubbish before he went into BB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg_41v57kv8&feature=related

He's been posting this RUBBISH on YouTube for YEARS!

Fingers,my nerves will not allow me to press ..play

[fingers]

Fingers,my nerves will not allow me to press ..play

You've seen it all before!! Giggling and pretending to shlur hish words!

[starry]

There's directly betting scams on Big Brother I expect.

[chuff me dizzy]

You've seen it all before!! Giggling and pretending to shlur hish words!

Oh i have !! it is disgusting

[fingers]

More whezing Belly laffs if you can take it, I can't!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm9Vo-VQ8e4&NR=1