Ben vs John James

[bbfan1991]

Whose side are you on?;).

[headaball]

I think they're both making valid points.

[Visage]

His side ;)

[rusticgal]

John James of course.... fed up watching Ben being arrogant and condescending...how dare people keep him awake and deprive him of his sleep.

Who does he think he is????

[Novo]

John looks like a constipated Moron the way he is going on at Ben

[Kore]

jj's side

[Stacey.]

John's.

[bbfan1991]

John James:shocked:.

[nicki281]

will be interested to see how this edited tomorrow! i do think both are making good points, but i am on JJ's side! i have never seen a housemate not bothered bout tasks!!

[Deliverance]

Go on JJ!

[watchinittoomuch]

I think they're both making valid points and if everyone would just let them talk, and listen, they might get somewhere.

Having said that the argument does come down to the fundamental traits in the personality of each, something that's unlikey to change.

[Livia]

I think they're both making valid points.

But one is making their point much more eloquently than the other.

[fruit_cake]

JJ making out he's some kind of saint.. if Ben doesn't want to take part its upto him

[Kazanne]

Well Ben cant get a word in so its hard to get an even field.

[Deliverance]

Ben is trying to be nice to JJ now. Backtracking like he always does. 'You are my friend John James'. Total politician tact. He won't let it go until he gets a hug or something.

[Josy]

Well Ben cant get a word in so its hard to get an even field.

Its about time Ben shut his mouth for a bit anyway.

[headaball]

But one is making their point much more eloquently than the other.

Definitely. That's why I've hardly ever taken JJ's side in an argument. He always goes about it the wrong way.

[Blink_Me]

JJ making out he's some kind of saint.. if Ben doesn't want to take part its upto him

That's fair enough. But Ben shouldn't moan about people having a go at him for not taking part in tasks then.

[Kazanne]

will be interested to see how this edited tomorrow! i do think both are making good points, but i am on JJ's side! i have never seen a housemate not bothered bout tasks!!

But who is JJ to tell Ben what he should do it's not his show its up to BB

[Lex]

ME ME ME!....Who on earth could like a thorough dickhead like that horrible aussie git!!

[Kazanne]

That's fair enough. But Ben shouldn't moan about people having a go at him for not taking part in tasks then.

But this was a while ago he is STILL banging on about it

[Deliverance]

Anyone notice how Quaver is always in the middle of it. Little Troll keeping it going. She is loving it.

[Kazanne]

ME ME ME!....Who on earth could like a thorough dickhead like that horrible aussie git!!

The knob head has just said Ben never agrees with anything,lol,I've heard Ben many times say I agree.

[Kazanne]

Its about time Ben shut his mouth for a bit anyway.

well we know all you hear is jj anyway.

[Deliverance]

The knob head has just said Ben never agrees with anything,lol,I've heard Ben many times say I agree.
Bens' fave sentence is 'I agree, But...' It is his way of arguing and keeping his point going to the point of submission by pure boredom from the other party. He sounds like a trained tory.

[Josy]

well we know all you hear is jj anyway.

All i hear on live feed all day is Ben bitching about everyone and anyone.

[flamingGalah!]

Bens. JJ is just having an argument for the sake of having an argument... as usual... :sleep:

[GuiltyPleasure]

Wish they'd both shut up already. JJ is being an idiot in my opinion, all Ben is asking for is a little less criticism.

[Livia]

JJ is so laughably self-righteous in this argument. What an arse he is! He's accusing Ben of all his own flaws! Hilarious...

[Malza]

John James of course.... fed up watching Ben being arrogant and condescending...how dare people keep him awake and deprive him of his sleep.

Who does he think he is????

That!

[Bigbrofan25]

Go JJ show that stuck up idol toff and put him in his *****ing place:eek::D

[shaz20]

JJ making out he's some kind of saint.. if Ben doesn't want to take part its upto him
It isn't actually, why go in bb where the tasks are the most major part of the programme if you arent prepared to do the tasks! therefore condemming his peers to no luxury or decent food. Its unbelievably selfish.
Just because Ben is amusing sometimes it doesnt make up for his selfish stuck up, upper class snobbery. The way he bitches about the others in the house shows he thinks he is so much better than them. :nono::nono:

[Blink_Me]

John = a moaning idiot
Ben = a patronising *****

[boomoo]

It isn't actually, why go in bb where the tasks are the most major part of the programme if you arent prepared to do the tasks! therefore condemming his peers to no luxury or decent food. Its unbelievably selfish.
Just because Ben is amusing sometimes it doesnt make up for his selfish stuck up, upper class snobbery. The way he bitches about the others in the house shows he thinks he is so much better than them. :nono::nono:

He was put in the house precisely because he wont do the tasks.

Ben would have been one of those boys who was always picked last for the football team and then noone would pass the ball to him.
Teamwork is a myth.
eg Manchester United. Why do we only hear of the person who scored the goal?

[Deliverance]

It isn't actually, why go in bb where the tasks are the most major part of the programme if you arent prepared to do the tasks! therefore condemming his peers to no luxury or decent food. Its unbelievably selfish.
Just because Ben is amusing sometimes it doesnt make up for his selfish stuck up, upper class snobbery. The way he bitches about the others in the house shows he thinks he is so much better than them. :nono::nono:
Ben needs a good kick up the arse. JJ is wearing the australian big boot.

[Shasown]

Oh the irony of it all.

Given the fact all the housemates apart from Ben are now partaking in a Tree of Temptation Task in order that Ben gets his belongings. Something Ben would have, just now, if he had actually put some effort into his ToT task, or his little afternoon calisthenics session(beasting) with Myke Hawke.

[Smithy]

idk what the argument was but I dont like Ben, so JJ's :hugesmile:

[mike888]

Definitely. That's why I've hardly ever taken JJ's side in an argument. He always goes about it the wrong way.



Ben will rip JJ apart when it comes to a full scale showdown, JJ hasn't got the intelligence to even get close... :dance:

[Deliverance]

Ben will rip JJ apart when it comes to a full scale showdown, JJ hasn't got the intelligence to even get close... :dance:

Ben is not intelligent, he is selectively ignorent and wears people down with stupidity by shear will of never shutting the **** up untill he gets agreement.

[LKSmith2]

I have no idea what happened in this argument. No doubt Ben said something a couple of hours ago, someone got told about it, JJ went in there like a bull in a china shop shouting and not letting anybody else get a word in, while Ben carried on apologising and saying "Dave can back me up on this".

[Zippy]

Ben is in the wrong about tasks but.....he's right about JJs issues!

So Ben!

[Wee-Mo]

JJ making out he's some kind of saint.. if Ben doesn't want to take part its upto him

Well if he does not want to take part he should not be there lets have someone who is willing to entertian us by being taking part :sleep:

[mike888]

Ben is not intelligent, he is selectively ignorent and wears people down with stupidity by shear will of never shutting the **** up untill he gets agreement.


With that comment I rest my case... :joker:

[Bigbrofan25]

****:sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep:

[Zippy]

Well if he does not want to take part he should not be there lets have someone who is willing to entertian us by being taking part :sleep:

But him refusing is more entertaining for viewers.

Viewers shouldnt give a shyte about whether they do tasks or not. Thats the HMs problem not ours.

[mike888]

But him refusing is more entertaining for viewers.

Viewers shouldnt give a shyte about whether they do tasks or not. Thats the HMs problem not ours.



:thumbs: Exactly.... :spin:

[mike888]

Ben: "I wouldn't want to jump in the bed with you two" :D :D :D

[calyman]

Ben is sensitiively trying to explain where skippy has issues. But the eejit skippy is so thick, he doesn't realise how much Ben is trying to help him. All he can do is constantly repeat himself, interupt Ben, then when Ben does get a space to talk, tell Ben to let him finish.

He is the worst sort of person to have a discussion with, he refuses to engage in the most basic social rules of discussion. Ben should give it up as a bad job, he's wasting his time.

[Kazanne]

Go JJ show that stuck up idol toff and put him in his *****ing place:eek::D

He hasn't got the nouse to put a plate in it's place never mind Ben:joker:

[Livia]

Ben is not intelligent, he is selectively ignorent and wears people down with stupidity by shear will of never shutting the **** up untill he gets agreement.

Sounds more like JJ to me.

[mike888]

Ben is sensitiively trying to explain where skippy has issues. But the eejit skippy is so thick, he doesn't realise how much Ben is trying to help him. All he can do is constantly repeat himself, interupt Ben, then when Ben does get a space to talk, tell Ben to let him finish.

He is the worst sort of person to have a discussion with, he refuses to engage in the most basic social rules of discussion. Ben should give it up as a bad job, he's wasting his time.


Nah let them carry on and let JJ get so frustrated he bursts into tears and tells BB he wants to leave again!!! :xyxwave:

[Kazanne]

Nah let them carry on and let JJ get so frustrated he bursts into tears and tells BB he wants to leave again!!! :xyxwave:

hes getting close:joker:ben is a clever sod isn't he

[mike888]

hes getting close:joker:ben is a clever sod isn't he



If it was a boxing match the referee would have stepped in and stopped it by now... :joker:

[InOne]

Getting boring now, both going on and on.

[Violetfairy]

I am coming to the conclusion that JJ has to have an argument with someone, this with Ben was just another opportunity for him - I'm not saying that JJ is wrong in chastising Ben for his lack of team effort, but him going on and on and on and on and on at Ben is boring " Yawn, Yawn".

[Kore]

hes getting close:joker:ben is a clever sod isn't he


your wrong, JJ has already won this argument and has been outsmarted by JJ.

so dont make out ben has won at all :hugesmile:

[mike888]

I am coming to the conclusion that JJ has to have an argument with someone, this with Ben was just another opportunity for him - I'm not saying that JJ is wrong in chastising Ben for his lack of team effort, but him going on and on and on and on and on at Ben is boring " Yawn, Yawn".



LOL Just when it looks like it's over JJ just won't let go will he??? Give him enough rope......... :joker:

[Locke.]

Our lord and our savior, the one, the only, Benjamin "The King" Duncan.

[chauncey]

Bens.

JJ's attempt at sounding calm and reasonable was quite amusing to watch though,Ben managed to walk JJ into nodding along that he needs to go to therapy:joker::elephant:

[Frank E]

JJ "didn't try" in his save and replace tasks either because he was too egotistical to be beaten by a woman or he was too much of a pussy to nominate publicly.

The pretty face will end up with a broken bottle in it some day if he continues the way he is going.

[Mystic Mock]

your wrong, JJ has already won this argument and has been outsmarted by JJ.

so dont make out ben has won at all :hugesmile:

because ben has won the argument.

[BlueViolet]

I voted for JJ, but really -- they both have some valid points.

I do agree with JJ's fundamental argument, which is that Ben should try harder and be less selfish. I just think his way of handling it is all wrong. Constant arguments are pointless.

Similarly, Ben needs to stop fretting about what JJ thinks, and being paranoid about how JJ is supposedly picking on him. While I know that JJ does give Ben a bit of a hard time, Ben also blows a lot of things out of proportion.

[paper-cut-exit]

Our lord and our savior, the one, the only, Benjamin "The King" Duncan.

Kinda starting to sound like a cross between tubby-jesus and a crazy mad stalker tbo lol :joker:

[Locke.]

Kinda starting to sound like a cross between tubby-jesus and a crazy mad stalker tbo lol :joker:

Put down your torch and join us in our quest of crowing Ben the ultimate King of Big Brother

[paper-cut-exit]

Put down your torch and join us in our quest of crowing Ben the ultimate King of Big Brother

The Dave approach huh :D

Ben's definitely in the final running - only thing is... he's a tad too lame in several areas to make it to the end. Close runner-up tho!

[-Sue-]

JJ's side...

[paper-cut-exit]

JJ's an insecure fool! No support from me!

[Angus]

He's jealous as ***** about the Ben day task - if he had more than one braincell he would see it for what it is, BB's sad attempt to teach Ben team spirit. All JJ had to do to make his point was to refuse to do the task, and Ben won't get his suitcase back - instead the little twat just presses the repeat button on his gob to try and provoke a reaction. What JJ does is not to engage in an argument where each other's views are aired and considered, he just launches into a verbal machine gun assault, bombarding his chosen victim with repetitious accusations and insults.

That is JJ's modus operandi, since he doesn't have the intelligence to actually ever argue a point coherently and calmly. He constantly interrupts and talks over people and hears only what he wants to hear.

JJ did it with Rachael and Corin - and he picks on Ben because Ben is non-confrontational and placid.

[-Sue-]

He's jealous as ***** about the Ben day task - if he had more than one braincell he would see it for what it is, BB's sad attempt to teach Ben team spirit. All JJ had to do to make his point was to refuse to do the task, and Ben won't get his suitcase back - instead the little twat just presses the repeat button on his gob to try and provoke a reaction. What JJ does is not to engage in an argument where each other's views are aired and considered, he just launches into a verbal machine gun assault, bombarding his chosen victim with repetitious accusations and insults.

That is JJ's modus operandi, since he doesn't have the intelligence to actually ever argue a point coherently and calmly. He constantly interrupts and talks over people and hears only what he wants to hear.

JJ did it with Rachael and Corin - and he picks on Ben because Ben is non-confrontational and placid.

Please feel free to watch the vid on C4 website and see how many times Ben poes fun at JJ. Then I am sure you will have seen the same as the rest of us instead of making it up as you go :sleep::joker:

[-Sue-]

poor Ben always the victim.. wait let me get my violin.. I wont play him a tune But I can tell you where the bow should go muahahaha

[Julesuk]

Ben gets away with everything in that house, form what i've seen John was in the right, so fed up of listening to Bens.....you know I love you but then goes onto pull the person apart - Ben is in the house purely for publicity and to promote himself - he comes up smelling of roses - he gets a treat then the housemates have a task to win HIS suitcase back yet again on a friday night its about him, the same as the other friday with his standup highlighting Ben again on a Friday night, to be honest I am sick to death of him

[-Sue-]

Ben gets away with everything in that house, form what i've seen John was in the right, so fed up of listening to Bens.....you know I love you but then goes onto pull the person apart - Ben is in the house purely for publicity and to promote himself - he comes up smelling of roses - he gets a treat then the housemates have a task to win HIS suitcase back yet again on a friday night its about him, the same as the other friday with his standup highlighting Ben again on a Friday night, to be honest I am sick to death of him

Nicely put :thumbs:

[Julie10]

your wrong, JJ has already won this argument and has been outsmarted by JJ.

so dont make out ben has won at all :hugesmile:


JJ has not won the argument he has lost it. He is treading on old ground the argument has been done over and over again and is old and boring. JJ is only annoyed because he has to take part in winning Bens clthes back for him and is using the old argument as an excuse. :sleep:

[Kazanne]

your wrong, JJ has already won this argument and has been outsmarted by JJ.

so dont make out ben has won at all :hugesmile:

You keep saying this but have not explained why you think he has WON in your words,please tell us afterall I have asked a few times now.

[Kazanne]

Ben gets away with everything in that house, form what i've seen John was in the right, so fed up of listening to Bens.....you know I love you but then goes onto pull the person apart - Ben is in the house purely for publicity and to promote himself - he comes up smelling of roses - he gets a treat then the housemates have a task to win HIS suitcase back yet again on a friday night its about him, the same as the other friday with his standup highlighting Ben again on a Friday night, to be honest I am sick to death of him

Who has Ben pulled APART?

[karezza]

Crab Eyes is clearly deranged & misogynistic - even Josie can't stand him.

[WOMBAI]

A vote between who likes the lookers and who likes the funny, interesting ones!

[Zippy]

A vote between who likes the lookers and who likes the funny, interesting ones!

But Bens a sexy beast!

And JJ wasn't looking pretty without his bleached locks. :hugesmile:

[Stacey.]

Ben's winning anyway though lol.

[Kore]

The majority of those votes probably came from people who didn't even see the argument, that's why Ben is winning

[Patricia4]

Go get him Ben I just wish he would turn on him like Corin did he'd think twice then about picking on him.

[calyman]

your wrong, JJ has already won this argument and has been outsmarted by JJ.

so dont make out ben has won at all :hugesmile:

Just exactly how does a slug manage to outwit Ben?????
:nono:

[Kazanne]

Go get him Ben I just wish he would turn on him like Corin did he'd think twice then about picking on him.

me too,you wouldnt see JJs arse for dust,bliddy coward

[Kazanne]

The majority of those votes probably came from people who didn't even see the argument, that's why Ben is winning

Ben is winning because as hard as it is for you to believe he is well liked by the grown ups and smart kids.

[Angus]

Ben needs a good kick up the arse. JJ is wearing the australian big boot.

JJ would sh*t his pants if Ben suddenly squared up to him. JJ only picks on people he perceives to be weaker than him, then proceeds to beat them down with monotonous, repetitive accusations. He's a mummy's boy who needs to leave home, and man up.

[Delightful]

That's fair enough. But Ben shouldn't moan about people having a go at him for not taking part in tasks then.

So tell me, what are all these tasks Ben hasn't taken part in? He failed the TOT task, but that was it. He has taken part in every shopping task and passed his part which is more than can be said for JJ. Well??

[30stone]

JJ.

Ben is a selfish arrogant tit. that brings nothing to the house other than a couple of witty one liners.

HE needs to put 100% in and stop thinking hes above big brother.

[30stone]

JJ.

Ben is a selfish arrogant tit. that brings nothing to the house other than a couple of witty one liners.

HE needs to put 100% in and stop thinking hes above big brother.

[Angus]

Oh the irony of it all.

Given the fact all the housemates apart from Ben are now partaking in a Tree of Temptation Task in order that Ben gets his belongings. Something Ben would have, just now, if he had actually put some effort into his ToT task, or his little afternoon calisthenics session(beasting) with Myke Hawke.


Well, let's see if the HMs are hypocrites or not shall we? Since Ben was not required to participate in this task, its hardly anything to do with him now is it? If the HMs throw the task they will be using Ben's reason, ie not seeing the point of it, OR they may be seen to be being vindictive, OR if they complete the task they will supposedly (in BB's mind) teach Ben about team spirit:joker: Ben won't care if they fail - he hasn't whinged once to BB about not having his case.

[joeysteele]

John James is well in the wrong, he pokes his nose into all sorts but its a wider thing what he is really trying to do is whip up housemates against Ben by going on like this, he always creates conflicts to then get some sympathy and also to make the other person react and look bad, Ben always comes out btter over JJ because he is well educated and articulate however I wish Ben woudl say to JJ,''this is not just your show, your opinion is NOT the only one that matters and also go and get help to make tour points ,valid or otherwise, in a more calm and reasoned adult way''.

[Kore]

me too,you wouldnt see JJs arse for dust,bliddy coward

Of course you would. If he needs to say something....he will bloody say it! :laugh:!! mark my words.

[Kore]

Ben is winning because as hard as it is for you to believe he is well liked by the grown ups and smart kids.

no the majority are fools who THINK theyre smart.

there's a difference :thumbs:

[Kazanne]

Of course you would. If he needs to say something....he will bloody say it! :laugh:!! mark my words.

Ok but I have asked you several times if JJ is the hero you think how come he hasn't confronted steve over the crab eyes remark,someone answer it please

[Kazanne]

no the majority are fools who THINK theyre smart.

there's a difference :thumbs:

but they cant answer questions posed to them,LOL

[Angus]

no the majority are fools who THINK theyre smart.

there's a difference :thumbs:

Pot/kettle:thumbs:

[-Sue-]

Ok but I have asked you several times if JJ is the hero you think how come he hasn't confronted steve over the crab eyes remark,someone answer it please
:pat:

[Zippy]

Of course you would. If he needs to say something....he will bloody say it! :laugh:!! mark my words.

Not to Corin he won't! If he wants to keep his pretty teeth.

[joeysteele]

He's a very silly, rotten and jealous man is JJ full of paranoia,he has some real massive psychological problems. He needs to get out and get help before he hurts someone in the house or vice versa and if BB still had JJs case he would be whingeing and crying in the diary room every day,Ben just gets on with it.
A balanced, reasonable and decent guy is Ben.

[Kore]

Not to Corin he won't! If he wants to keep his pretty teeth.

He will say it. If she retorts to slapping him then she will be thrown out, so I hope she does :D

[supergirthuk]

I've had enough of JJ arguing and stirring the sh1t with such an aggressive nature. He always starts his game after evictions and just before noms.

[Novo]

The people of TIBB have Spoken, King Ben has defeated JJ

[Angus]

The people of TIBB have Spoken, King Ben has defeated JJ

Haha! Goes to show most of us have good taste and a discerning eye for a legendary housemate!:thumbs:

[Novo]

Haha! Goes to show most of us have good taste and a discerning eye for a legendary housemate!:thumbs:

The People who hate ben are the people who are to blame for the downfall of big brother, the Morons who keep the bores in til the end..

This year that isn't going to happen though the Ben Barmy Army is going to get him to the final

[Mystic Mock]

The People who hate ben are the people who are to blame for the downfall of big brother, the Morons who keep the bores in til the end..

This year that isn't going to happen though the Ben Barmy Army is going to get him to the final

be careful on what you say you could end up pissing people off.

[Novo]

Well King Ben defiantly got the better Edit tonight :)

[ibook4113]

John James of course.... fed up watching Ben being arrogant and condescending...how dare people keep him awake and deprive him of his sleep.

Who does he think he is????

I completely agree. Ben is one of the most selfish people i have ever seen. I will happy to see the back of him when he finally gets evicted. He constantly comes across as being nice but beneath pretty much everything he says there is an insult.