Do People Dislike Dave Purely Because He Is Religious?

[Jords]

I really dont understand why Dave has a lot of hate and not more fans, both on the forum he doesnt seem too popular and on Big Mouth and Little Brother he is always spoken about in bad light.

I think hes really likable, doesnt get nasty in drama and is very humorous and quirky. I thought to begin with he was a bit OTT and would push religion in our faces but actually hes quite the opposite and only brings it up now and then and to limits, avoiding anything that may cause offence.

So do people not like Dave because he is a strong believer in God and religion and they see that as a bad thing? :conf:

In the Glory!

[DrunkerThanMoses]

I dont dislike him because of his religious views, I respect his view, its his views on life.

I dilkike him because hes one of the main gameplayers. I noticed last week before save and replace, he was arse licking ife, corins and caomhies arses so much.

His drunk on god thing is pathetic as well, its cringe.

Hes quite boring as well tbh.

However I know a few people who know him and say hes a nice person, I suppose hes not that bad, just a twat sometimes.

[Alpertinator]

I don't hate him. Well hate is a strong word that I always try to refrain from using out of context. But I don't dislike him.

After he put Rachael up in week 1 I was really pissed though cos' I know Rachael and I was dissapointed to see her go in the first week.

Since then he's grown on me though. He's very funny, lively and generally entertaining. I don't entirely trust him. He's not a conventional priest and while I do believe that he is genuinely a born again christian and devoted to his religion, I also think that he still has some of his old traits... some of the negative ones. For example I think that he does care about personal wealth more than the conventional priest. Anyway, I respect that he's a born again christian and I respect his devotion to his religion.

[WOMBAI]

I really dont understand why Dave has a lot of hate and not more fans, both on the forum he doesnt seem too popular and on Big Mouth and Little Brother he is always spoken about in bad light.

I think hes really likable, doesnt get nasty in drama and is very humorous and quirky. I thought to begin with he was a bit OTT and would push religion in our faces but actually hes quite the opposite and only brings it up now and then and to limits, avoiding anything that may cause offence.

So do people not like Dave because he is a strong believer in God and religion and they see that as a bad thing? :conf:

In the Glory!

They just don't get the way he celebrates his faith! And because it doesn't conform with their idea of how religious people should act - they think he is weird and therefore some kind of undesirable! :sleep:

[vesavius]

I really dont understand why Dave has a lot of hate and not more fans, both on the forum he doesnt seem too popular and on Big Mouth and Little Brother he is always spoken about in bad light.

I think hes really likable, doesnt get nasty in drama and is very humorous and quirky. I thought to begin with he was a bit OTT and would push religion in our faces but actually hes quite the opposite and only brings it up now and then and to limits, avoiding anything that may cause offence.

So do people not like Dave because he is a strong believer in God and religion and they see that as a bad thing? :conf:

In the Glory!

Jords, I have told you a few times I have no problems with religion. I see and respect it's value to individuals and society. This is not an anti-God (or whatver diety anyone happens to follow) thing.

I have a problem though with Dave because of his leadership of a cult that pedals a counterfeit religion and uses 'hip' language (raves, jacked up, whacked) to deliberatly target the vulnerable and draw them in.

I have an issue that he makes a profit off his church, seems to have his eye on the monetary rewards, and yet puts nothing back into his community.

I have an issue with his grooming techniques and patronising attitude to others (dismissing Andrews views because 'he is young still').

I also have an issue with the core teachings of his 'New Ecstatics' of 'don't think, don't do anything, just get drunk'. It is self serving, lazy, and self indulgent imo.

[supernoodles!]

I dislike him,not hate and not purely because of the religion thing.I think he comes across as pretty arrogant,I dont find him entertaining and simply just dont find him all that likeable.

[nicki281]

I think he is funny sometimes, but most of the time is loving everyone to their face, then he is bi*chy behind their backs! The whole drunk on the lord is rubbish!

Also i am a keeva fan and he is always horrible to her!

[Jords]

I dont dislike him because of his religious views, I respect his view, its his views on life.

I dilkike him because hes one of the main gameplayers. I noticed last week before save and replace, he was arse licking ife, corins and caomhies arses so much.

His drunk on god thing is pathetic as well, its cringe.

Hes quite boring as well tbh.

However I know a few people who know him and say hes a nice person, I suppose hes not that bad, just a twat sometimes.

I dont see Dave as a gameplanner at all, I really dont think he cares about winning but just wants a really good experience. He seems the type of person who wants to live life to the full, and a guy who doesnt hold grudges - so wouldnt be igorant and ignore anybody but try and resolve the problem.

I guess the drunk on God thing is debatable, I myself find it very amusing and thought he was a right character the other night messing about in the bedroom and had the whole house laughing (HLs only showed John James mimicking Dave and them laughing :rolleyes:)

Boring? I suppose it depends on what type of housemate you like I guess.. Dont see how he can be branded boring though, theres gotta be worst offenders *cough Steve, cough Mario* :p

[Stacey.]

He's alright I suppose, just bores me a bit. Don't know why he seems to have it in for Caoimhe though.

And well. When he gets 'drunk on the lord' that's weird. Sometimes his bible talk freaks me out.

[King Gizzard]

It seems most of his fierce haters hate him for that, yes.

[King Gizzard]

I ll get shot down here but I also think a bit of it is cause hes not the greatest looking man at all. Would people give a **** about his religion if he looked like JJ? Most probably wouldn't

[stonedape]

Anyone that goes on a reality show in the hopes of making a lot of money with a Christian flag wrapped around them will annoy me. As a former evangelical, he reminds me of a lot of annoying people. His hypocritical stance on homosexuality, cherry picking the bits of the Bible he likes, his affected "empathetic" tone, the ignorance and faux wisdom (like in his talk with Andrew).

I just don't like the guy, and yes it probably does mostly come down to his religious interpretation. No problem with game playing, but when someone who claims to be the moral example does it, it does ring more irritating.

And if Dave looked like JJ, I would have the exact same problems with him.

[Lex]

I dont dislike him because of his religious views, I respect his view, its his views on life.

I dilkike him because hes one of the main gameplayers. I noticed last week before save and replace, he was arse licking ife, corins and caomhies arses so much.

His drunk on god thing is pathetic as well, its cringe.

Hes quite boring as well tbh.

However I know a few people who know him and say hes a nice person, I suppose hes not that bad, just a twat sometimes.

Well I hate to say this DTM!.....But for the first time .....I agree with your post!:thumbs:+:conf:

[DrunkerThanMoses]

I dont see Dave as a gameplanner at all, I really dont think he cares about winning but just wants a really good experience. He seems the type of person who wants to live life to the full, and a guy who doesnt hold grudges - so wouldnt be igorant and ignore anybody but try and resolve the problem.

I guess the drunk on God thing is debatable, I myself find it very amusing and thought he was a right character the other night messing about in the bedroom and had the whole house laughing (HLs only showed John James mimicking Dave and them laughing :rolleyes:)

Boring? I suppose it depends on what type of housemate you like I guess.. Dont see how he can be branded boring though, theres gotta be worst offenders *cough Steve, cough Mario* :p


I dont think that at all, for example, he was best friends with caomhie last week, but as soon as the save and replace task ended, he pushed her a side.
Now if that is not a game plan I dont know what is.

The guy is broing, all he does is sit there while ben moans and bitches about jj or mario, and he agrees, even know i suspect he dosent care.

And mario more boring than dave.... Mario one of the most genuine housmeates in there, if you actually didnt get sucked in by the poor highlight shows (who only care about jj, josie and ben :sleep:), and saw some live feed, you would see hes more intresting than dave.

I agree dave is more intresting than Steve, Keley, Rachel and even andrew

[Jords]

Jords, I have told you a few times I have no problems with religion.

This wasnt aimed directly at you, just on a whole people seem to want him evicted and he comes across generally disliked, and I dont get why.


And Nathan thats probably a reason as well, Big Brother does seem to attract a fair amount of shallow viewers who judge simply on looks.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Well I hate to say this DTM!.....But for the first time .....I agree with your post!:thumbs:+:conf:

:dance:

Dont worry we can still fight about ben! :)

[Lex]

:dance:

Dont worry we can still fight about ben! :)

Yep!....Back to reality.....Ben's the natural winner!:hugesmile:

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Yep!....Back to reality.....Ben's the natural winner!:hugesmile:

:nono: Oh no you didnt bitch

[vesavius]

This wasnt aimed directly at you, just on a whole people seem to want him evicted and he comes across generally disliked, and I dont get why.


And Nathan thats probably a reason as well, Big Brother does seem to attract a fair amount of shallow viewers who judge simply on looks.

No, I get that :)

it was an open question though about why people don't like him and somewhat an attempt to lump us that don't as simple 'religion haters'.

I wanted to underline that this wasnt the case and that I don't like him for very specific reasons to him and not religion in general.

[vesavius]

I ll get shot down here but I also think a bit of it is cause hes not the greatest looking man at all. Would people give a **** about his religion if he looked like JJ? Most probably wouldn't

yeah, I would.

[Jamietwo]

Daves a nice bloke, freindly and easy going. I don't think religious views are the problem, but when he goes through one of drunk on God phases with all the fake laughter and weirdness he becomes temporarily repulsive.

[stonedape]

I do think Dave's a nice guy, and I've defended him on several occasions because I don't think his "drunk on God" rocking with Jesus stuff is any weirder than the rituals you'll find at a mainline Catholic or Protestant church, just less familiar. And in a way I'm happy they put in someone religious, because BB seems to avoid the subject entirely.

[tintedshadow]

I really dont understand why Dave has a lot of hate and not more fans, both on the forum he doesnt seem too popular and on Big Mouth and Little Brother he is always spoken about in bad light.

I think hes really likable, doesnt get nasty in drama and is very humorous and quirky. I thought to begin with he was a bit OTT and would push religion in our faces but actually hes quite the opposite and only brings it up now and then and to limits, avoiding anything that may cause offence.

So do people not like Dave because he is a strong believer in God and religion and they see that as a bad thing? :conf:

In the Glory!

i think in general housemates with a certain view on religion do tend to get typecast as lunatics or idiots as if their out of touch with the "real world".. in truth i think he's okay,the drunk off god thing isnt really an issue for me since i think we all get that feeling to a lesser extent (not neccesarily with god or religion though) the only thing that pisses me off is how he takes johns side in rediculing ben until the tables turned on john,then all of a sudden he was all up for backing ben and telling jj he had no social intelligence...

[Vicky.]

I ll get shot down here but I also think a bit of it is cause hes not the greatest looking man at all. Would people give a **** about his religion if he looked like JJ? Most probably wouldn't

I dont give a **** about his religion anyway.

But if he was still as boring as he is, and looked like JJ, i still wouldnt like him.


I detested dale, who was boring but pretty.

[GypsyGoth]

I didn't like Dave at the start because of his religion, but after I seen how funny he could be on the show I began to like him. He has become one of my faves :)

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

I really dont understand why Dave has a lot of hate and not more fans, both on the forum he doesnt seem too popular and on Big Mouth and Little Brother he is always spoken about in bad light.

I think hes really likable, doesnt get nasty in drama and is very humorous and quirky. I thought to begin with he was a bit OTT and would push religion in our faces but actually hes quite the opposite and only brings it up now and then and to limits, avoiding anything that may cause offence.

So do people not like Dave because he is a strong believer in God and religion and they see that as a bad thing? :conf:

In the Glory!


truth is there are a lot of bigots around

religion and race can easily cause people to be hated even if they are a decent person and on a forum people are anonymous so no need to hide

[Jords]

No, I get that :)

it was an open question though about why people don't like him and somewhat an attempt to lump us that don't as simple 'religion haters'.

I wanted to underline that this wasnt the case and that I don't like him for very specific reasons to him and not religion in general.

I wasnt trying to lump you all as religion haters, but just opening a gate into finding the reasons why Dave is so disliked. So far I have the tags that he is boring and a gameplanner, both which have no meaning anymore since they are thrown about without much thought anyway (normally used against those you simply 'dont like'). And then you judging him on what he does out of the house and with the church, not basing it on him as a person and what he has done within the BB house, which is what its supposed to be about.

i think in general housemates with a certain view on religion do tend to get typecast as lunatics or idiots as if their out of touch with the "real world".. in truth i think he's okay,the drunk off god thing isnt really an issue for me since i think we all get that feeling to a lesser extent (not neccesarily with god or religion though) the only thing that pisses me off is how he takes johns side in rediculing ben until the tables turned on john,then all of a sudden he was all up for backing ben and telling jj he had no social intelligence...

Yes I agree with this, I think they go in and have to earn approval to become liked, whereas others (normally the dummies who know nothing and are unable to have a strong opinion on anything to cause a possible stir) have it much easier gaining fans.

And Jon I do watch LF and find Mario very repetative and still boring..

[DrunkerThanMoses]

And Jon I do watch LF and find Mario very repetative and still boring..

You view, its a worng view, but still you view :p

[Shasown]

Nah I dont hate him because he is religious.


I despise him because he is sheepshagging taff twat.


Seriously, though, if he wants to believe his god gets him drunk, fine, its not a lot different to Corin thinking she looks great in orange skin and and arched painted on eyebrows. I do think it would be hilarious if he won though.

[vesavius]

then you judging him on what he does out of the house and with the church, not basing it on him as a person and what he has done within the BB house, which is what its supposed to be about.

I judge him as a complete package... I cannot seperate the Dave inside from the Dave outside, because the Dave outside is everything he stands for.

Plus, i did say;

I have an issue with his grooming techniques and patronising attitude to others (dismissing Andrews views because 'he is young still').

Look, the bottom line is I don't like the guy. No, to answer your OP, it isnt because of religion in general, it is because of who is is and what he represents an , like I have quoted myself above, how he acts towards others.

I don't think there is a 'supposed to be' right or wrong way for us to make up our mind who we like or dont in that house... It is all offered for us to consume in any way we want to.

[tintedshadow]

Yes I agree with this, I think they go in and have to earn approval to become liked, whereas others (normally the dummies who know nothing and are unable to have a strong opinion on anything to cause a possible stir) have it much easier gaining fans.

And Jon I do watch LF and find Mario very repetative and still boring..

agreed,i also find it frustrating when caoimhe and josie both took it upon themselves to judge him as if he had said all gays should die slow,he has his own view but they asked what he believed in which is based on what the bible says,so they ask what the bible says and then took it as if he's a homophobe who wants to burn mario at the steak..

[Jords]

I judge him as a complete package... I cannot seperate the Dave inside from the Dave outside, because the Dave outside is everything he stands for.

Plus, i did say;



Look, the bottom line is I don't like the guy. No, to answer your OP, it isnt because of religion in general, it is because of who is is and what he represents an , like I have quoted myself above, how he acts towards others.

I don't think there is a 'supposed to be' right or wrong way for us to make up our mind who we like or dont in that house... It is all offered for us to consume in any way we want to.

Well I dont think its fair to judge any of the housemates on what they behave like on the outside. And that remark is quite patronising I agree, but I barely ever seem him be disrespectable to anybody.

Quite a bit of meat to tuck into with Dave. :hugesmile:

[vesavius]

Well I dont think its fair to judge any of the housemates on what they behave like on the outside. And that remark is quite patronising I agree, but I barely ever seem him be disrespectable to anybody.

Quite a bit of meat to tuck into with Dave. :hugesmile:

I thinks that excatly why we will never agree on him Jords :)

You see BB as a encapsulated experience (I think), I see it just as a house with people in.

If I don't agree with what those people stand for I can in no way support them.

Can I ask you an honest question though? If there was a right wing white supremacy guy in there, who wore a KKK robe and hood in his VT, but didnt mention it in the house and was very funny, or a gang banger, or whoever, that was the same, and you knew that he was gonna go right back to that life when he left (with maybe £100,000 in his pocket), would you support him?

[BB_Eye]

In a word, no.

I was actually a fan of Dave a few weeks back, because I thought he was an impeccable gameplayer. I still think that, but have since realised the redeeming features end there.

[Jords]

I thinks that excatly why we will never agree on him Jords :)

You see BB as a encapsulated experience (I think), I see it just as a house with people in.

If I don't agree with what those people stand for I can in no way support them.

Can I ask you an honest question though? If there was a right wing white supremacy guy in there, who wore a KKK robe and hood in his VT, but didnt mention it in the house and was very funny, or a gang banger, or whoever, that was the same, and you knew that he was gonna go right back to that life when he left (with maybe £100,000 in his pocket), would you support him?

No I wouldnt, but that is very extreme, Ill be honest and admit I dont fully understand the whole making profit by the church, probably because Im young. But he works for the church which benefits people, and he is paid for doing so, I dont see the problem in that (or is it not as straight forward? :hugesmile:)

[vesavius]

No I wouldnt, but that is very extreme, Ill be honest and admit I dont fully understand the whole making profit by the church, probably because Im young. But he works for the church which benefits people, and he is paid for doing so, I dont see the problem in that (or is it not as straight forward? :hugesmile:)

Well, to me, it isnt any less extreme then having a cult leader peddaling a counterfeit religion that he profits from on there.

The fact that you wouldnt support those other guys is exactly why I won't support him. I disagree with his agenda, philosophy, and outlook.


He dosent work for 'the church', he works for his church (cult). You assume he is 'helping people' but I have looked for a long time and not actually found any records at all of any community action or donations by the New Ecstatics.

[psychtracker]

I have a problem though with Dave because of his leadership of a cult that pedals a counterfeit religion and uses 'hip' language (raves, jacked up, whacked) to deliberatly target the vulnerable and draw them in.

Churches have been using all types of "hip" selling points to attract people since Adam was a boy...Literally! eg. in the 60s the churches started doing "Rock Masses" to attract all the "wayward" hippies!! All Churches (maybe excepting the Quakers and Unitarians), attempt to attract new pple to varying degrees. I've studied a HELL of a lot of "Cult" Leaders and their personalities, and i don't believe (from what i've seen), that Dave would fit into that category, particularly in regards to being on the show for evil ulterior motives.

I have an issue that he makes a profit off his church, seems to have his eye on the monetary rewards, and yet puts nothing back into his community.

Do you know what the worldwide net worth of the Roman Catholic Church is? do you have a problem with them as well?

Well, to me, it isnt any less extreme then having a cult leader peddaling a counterfeit religion that he profits from on there. he fact that you wouldnt support those other guys is exactly why I won't support him. I disagree with his agenda, philosophy, and outlook.

He dosent work for 'the church', he works for his church (cult). You assume he is 'helping people' but I have looked for a long time and not actually found any records at all of any community action or donations by the New Ecstatics.

Why do YOU care so much about digging up dirt on Dave? appears to me that you yourself are on something of a anti-Dave witch hunt. You brought up the analogy of whether someone should support a KKK member being in the house, yet it appears to me (from reading your posts), that you in fact are extremely judgmental and showing a lot of ignorance and intolerance.

[ElProximo]

I really dont understand why Dave has a lot of hate and not more fans, both on the forum he doesnt seem too popular and on Big Mouth and Little Brother he is always spoken about in bad light.

I think hes really likable, doesnt get nasty in drama and is very humorous and quirky. I thought to begin with he was a bit OTT and would push religion in our faces but actually hes quite the opposite and only brings it up now and then and to limits, avoiding anything that may cause offence.

So do people not like Dave because he is a strong believer in God and religion and they see that as a bad thing? :conf:

In the Glory!

I don't have a problem with David as a person, another human being. In fact I sparred with him and his group HOPING they will drop that cult nonsense and get out of it.
Nothing would make me happier than finding out David grew out of that 'drunken glory' behavior and was successfully carrying on sharing the Gospel and doing well.

In my case (note banner) my actual problem is more with C4 who were asked to include the odd Christian in the house.
Sure they will!
Careful what you pray for - C4 might just give it to you!
Of course I know (we know) they made every point and purpose in deliberately finding a 'nutter'.
Of course they did.
The very intent is that they can tout David as the 'Evangelical' and then have him fall into self-deluding 'drunken glory' ecstasy and become a flubbering drooling fool as much as possible.

What has happened was 'almost hopeful' in that David was also aware of this.
He explained at the beginning they put him in the house wanting to see him be 'drunk out his mind'.
He usually is, he explained. He would have gone into 2 weeks of being high and 'gone' and he knows people wanted that,
but,
he was out of his element and without his usual crowd around him was not falling into these states.
(which btw.. just shows you how socio-psychosomatic it really is).

So in a strange way this has backfired on C4 because for as long as David is NOT falling into 'trance-states' he is quite a likable fellow, quite reasonable, often quite funny (genuinely so), is affable and likable.

I seriously hope that this BB experience might actually end up changing Davids look on life and the Church.
God may well use what is meant to be a 'joke on him' and an attempt to shame Christianity into a good journey and a wake-up and maybe let David get out of that cult?
I hope.

[psychtracker]

Some good points ElProximo.

I try to look at Dave as a human being as well, for all his good and bad traits. I don't live in the UK, so don't really understand the C4 thing. AS far as you wishing he has an "awakening" as a result of being on Telly, well...i think it's really hard to guarantee that as a positive result. As example, lets say post BB he got completely disenfranchised with religion and "fell off the wagon", then went back to drugs and alcohol and died in 5yrs time OR he continued with his faith and set up an orphanage and really did help out a lot of poor people. I'm really just bringing that up as a parallel because seems a lot of people are suspicious of his evil intentions, but "maybe" he has mostly good intentions. I just think it's all very difficult to quantify... btw. i'm agnostic, i don't have any religious cross to bare.

[BlueViolet]

Dave is entitled to his own beliefs. I do think they're stupid (not the believing in God part, but the emphasis on miracles to prove it), but that doesn't bother me too much. I found his reaction to Keeley asking how he got paid a little questionable...especially with videos of him pretending to be in a wheelchair on youtube.

However, I mainly dislike him because I think he's a snake in the grass. He claims to love everyone, but he bitches more others more than the average HM. He is also very calculating -- claiming that he is disturbed by Caoimhe's "negative behavior", for instance, when really he is just rallying the votes against her. He doesn't dare say a thing to her face.

Oh, I also think he brings out the worst in Ben. It seems like they used to have regular conversations sometimes, but now it's all bitch, bitch, bitch.

[psychtracker]

Oh, I also think he brings out the worst in Ben. It seems like they used to have regular conversations sometimes, but now it's all bitch, bitch, bitch.

Do you ever watch the Live Feed? i've watched it for about the last 2 weeks and FAR AND AWAY the biggest bitching sessions are conducted by Josie, JJ & Caoimhe...they sometimes go on for hours!!! At least when Dave and Ben do it they inject a bit of humour into the situation! Seems to me that if Dave has opinion about another HM he's this evil backstabbing gameplaying mastermind, yet, if he refused to ever make a comment about any other HM, i bet the same people would brand him "boring", or avoiding controversy...the bloke can't win!

[ElProximo]

...i think it's really hard to guarantee that as a positive result. As example, lets say post BB he got completely disenfranchised with religion and "fell off the wagon", then went back to drugs and alcohol and died in 5yrs time OR he continued with his faith and set up an orphanage and really did help out a lot of poor people.

I see what you're saying and I guess I can only hope for the best. David is actually a reasonably bright guy who 'could' be a great representative in the Church and be a great Pastor.
I think that has to be the most frustrating thing - someone who really is 'so close' but is hung up on this bizarre aberrant nonsense.

Yeah.. it does make me wonder what would happen if he dropped the 'drunken glory'. It seems to me he hasn't overcome addiction (just replaced it) and then what does he do?

*C4 (Channel Four) is a notoriously antichristian television station in the UK which essentially promotes 'minorities' by shaming, degrading and creating propaganda against whatever they deem is 'white, christian, traditional,'.
Along those lines.

[MeMyselfAndI]

well he is a hypocrit
he told mario to go in naked!!! between john james and ben...
then if keeva goes in a bath with her top on its exetremely disrispectful and hurtfull to him!

he TOLD mario to go naked between john and ben thats sooo much worse but noooo

[ElProximo]

well he is a hypocrit
he told mario to go in naked!!! between john james and ben...
then if keeva goes in a bath with her top on its exetremely disrispectful and hurtfull to him!

he TOLD mario to go naked between john and ben thats sooo much worse but noooo

Easily the WORST 'hypocrite hunting' yet.
David does believe men can be naked in front of other men and this, having no sexual implications, becomes funny or stupid or whatever else.

David does believe that there is sexual consequences in women being naked around men.
He was worried it caused sexual tensions, temptations, evokes problematic emotions/physiological results etc.

There is ZERO 'hypocrisy' in any of that.

It is also why most societies, your society, our rules and standards have male and female toilets, separate showers, different changing rooms. Why men are arrested if they expose themselves to women in public, why there are regulations about 'strip clubs' or so on.
It is not 'hypocrisy'.
Even if you disagree or have some different believe about this - you haven't found a 'hypocrit'

[psychtracker]

I think that has to be the most frustrating thing - someone who really is 'so close' but is hung up on this bizarre aberrant nonsense.

Yeah well, humans believe in all sorts of weird stuff, no point wasting energy getting frustrated coz it's never gonna change...


*C4 (Channel Four) is a notoriously antichristian television station in the UK which essentially promotes 'minorities' by shaming, degrading and creating propaganda against whatever they deem is 'white, christian, traditional,'.
Along those lines.

Thanks for clearing that up, i was unaware.

[as90]

They dislike him because people love to rebel against authority. He's not perfect and is still also learning but morally he's head over heals above anyone else in the house.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He was being sanctimonious for effect. All me love looking at tits. he was pretending to be all "married and responsible" when really he was thinking about nailing keevaaaar :hugesmile:

[rosieb]

I dislike Dave because of his complete double standards - not very christian like to be backstabbing and bitching about a person behind their back is it.

[as90]

I dislike Dave because of his complete double standards - not very christian like to be backstabbing and bitching about a person behind their back is it.

And you think Christians are not real people, you have no clue do you, you should to go along to a Christian meeting before you can properly judge and read some of the Bible. You honestly think Christians are not allowed to sit and talk about people as he is doing. I think he is trying to reach out to people by finding their level. Your perceiving this are being hypocritical whereas he sees it as necessary to get his message across.

[ElProximo]

And you think Christians are not real people, you have no clue do you, you should to go along to a Christian meeting before you can properly judge and read some of the Bible. You honestly think Christians are not allowed to sit and talk about people as he is doing. I think he is trying to reach out to people by finding their level. Your perceiving this are being hypocritical whereas he sees it as necessary to get his message across.

A lot of simple people have this kind of thinking:

Christians claim to be perfect. If you see a Christian being imperfect then you have proven they are wrong. Therefore you don't need to explain anything you have ever done. Its all 'canceled out'. God is not real.

In fact I have to give David credit due for one thing he has properly represented:
Christians are not perfect. Just forgiven. Church is a 'school for sinners' and not a 'sanctuary for saints'.
This is our Gospel.
Christ IS perfect. We are not.

[SFGiantsfan]

I consider myself an open minded person but Dave comes across as a fake. He says he's against gay marriage but every chance he gets he's hugging up on the male housemates. I also get the impression that he walks all over his wife.

[sooty]

He was being sanctimonious for effect. All me love looking at tits. he was pretending to be all "married and responsible" when really he was thinking about nailing keevaaaar :hugesmile:

Hello, you are back!! :xyxwave:

[psychtracker]

I consider myself an open minded person but Dave comes across as a fake. He says he's against gay marriage but every chance he gets he's hugging up on the male housemates. I also get the impression that he walks all over his wife.

OPEN MINDED!!!???

Geez...those are some of the most narrow minded comments (assumptions) i've read.

No wonder the world's so fcked UP!!!

:hugesmile:

[WOMBAI]

Hello, you are back!! :xyxwave:

Just what I was thinking - it is always nice to see a familiar face/name! :hugesmile:

[supergirthuk]

Not bothered about his religious views or how he earns a crust. Hate him cos he's welsh. :hugesmile::joker::hugesmile::joker::hugesmile:

[ElProximo]

Not bothered about his religious views or how he earns a crust. Hate him cos he's welsh. :hugesmile::joker::hugesmile::joker::hugesmile:

That's more like it.

[Hero1]

I dislike like him because he clearly is using methods used in a counselling and psychology world CONSTANTLY. These methods are somewhat manipulative if used outside of an professional setting, it is adopted to build trust Client/patient and professional trusts and get people talking.

These are mimicking persons actions, body, tone, eye contact, speech and actions. Even then a counsellor or a psychologist will limit these emapthic actions, Dave does these full throttle.

If someone is laying down, he will lay down, if someone is painting nails, he will paint nails, if someone is hunging a man, he will hung a man, if someone drinks, he will drink, if someone looks sad, he looks sad, if someone is laughing he will laugh (it is all done to get people talking and trust in him)...however, he has another trick up his sleeve, where he will laugh to make people feel good.

Of course there is nothing wrong with what he is doing, but he knows what he is doing to build trust, keep himself safe and backstab whilst looking like the Good christian.

Quite honestly, I never agree with anyone pimping Christ to make a living full stop. Use Christ to give back to the community and help the poor, FINE, but not to invade a hard days work and pay your bills by using christ.

[as90]

I dislike like him because he clearly is using methods used in a counselling and psychology world CONSTANTLY. These methods are somewhat manipulative if used outside of an professional setting, it is adopted to build trust Client/patient and professional trusts and get people talking.

These are mimicking persons actions, body, tone, eye contact, speech and actions. Even then a counsellor or a psychologist will limit these emapthic actions, Dave does these full throttle.

If someone is laying down, he will lay down, if someone is painting nails, he will paint nails, if someone is hunging a man, he will hung a man, if someone drinks, he will drink, if someone looks sad, he looks sad, if someone is laughing he will laugh (it is all done to get people talking and trust in him)...however, he has another trick up his sleeve, where he will laugh to make people feel good.

Of course there is nothing wrong with what he is doing, but he knows what he is doing to build trust, keep himself safe and backstab whilst looking like the Good christian.

Quite honestly, I never agree with anyone pimping Christ to make a living full stop. Use Christ to give back to the community and help the poor, FINE, but not to invade a hard days work and pay your bills by using christ.

Go and live in a country where Christians are persecuted and come back and see if you have the same views. And lol about the laughing part. Absolute tosh you speak.

[Hero1]

Go and live in a country where Christians are persecuted and come back and see if you have the same views. And lol about the laughing part. Absolute tosh you speak.

Erm, I have been Baptised, fast monthly.

I would never dream of making money of christ and any congregation, rather kill myself first.

[psychtracker]

I dislike like him because he clearly is using methods used in a counselling and psychology world CONSTANTLY. These methods are somewhat manipulative if used outside of an professional setting, it is adopted to build trust Client/patient and professional trusts and get people talking.

These are mimicking persons actions, body, tone, eye contact, speech and actions. Even then a counsellor or a psychologist will limit these emapthic actions, Dave does these full throttle.

If someone is laying down, he will lay down, if someone is painting nails, he will paint nails, if someone is hunging a man, he will hung a man, if someone drinks, he will drink, if someone looks sad, he looks sad, if someone is laughing he will laugh (it is all done to get people talking and trust in him)...however, he has another trick up his sleeve, where he will laugh to make people feel good..........................

A well thought out post, but i think you are overestimating him.

[Hero1]

A well thought out post, but i think you are overestimating him.

Basically i should have said, he has snake like actions.

He is like the snake that got Eve to bite into the apple.

He has the ablity to get you to trust in him for your money and to end your dreams with his nominations, whilst fooling you into believing he is your friend.

[psychtracker]

Basically i should have said, he has snake like actions.

He is like the snake that got Eve to bite into the apple.

He has the ablity to get you to trust in him for your money and to end your dreams with his nominations, whilst fooling you into believing he is your friend.

I don't think he's as cunning or intelligent as you would like to believe.

[ElProximo]

I dislike like him because he clearly is using methods used in a counselling and psychology world CONSTANTLY. These methods are somewhat manipulative if used outside of an professional setting, it is adopted to build trust Client/patient and professional trusts and get people talking.

These are mimicking persons actions, body, tone, eye contact, speech and actions. Even then a counsellor or a psychologist will limit these emapthic actions, Dave does these full throttle.

If someone is laying down, he will lay down, if someone is painting nails, he will paint nails, if someone is hunging a man, he will hung a man, if someone drinks, he will drink, if someone looks sad, he looks sad, if someone is laughing he will laugh (it is all done to get people talking and trust in him)...however, he has another trick up his sleeve, where he will laugh to make people feel good.

Of course there is nothing wrong with what he is doing, but he knows what he is doing to build trust, keep himself safe and backstab whilst looking like the Good christian.

Quite honestly, I never agree with anyone pimping Christ to make a living full stop. Use Christ to give back to the community and help the poor, FINE, but not to invade a hard days work and pay your bills by using christ.

I notice he does these 'mirroring' types of things but that is not necessarily something contrived and being manipulated.
It is true that psychologists, counselors and too often salesmen do these things,
but,
in fact, it is natural for highly empathetic people to do this and very often they don't realize they are doing it.
It is also a type of behavior seen in people who are seeking empathy and want to be trusted and accepted. It goes both ways.
So far, I don't see anything 'nefarious' in this and does seem to be a 'natural' part of his personality.

I would strongly agree that anyone thinking the Gospel is some way to make money is a perverse mind,
however,
IF we are talking about a pastor or priest who was asked to devote themselves full-time to the congregation?
Sure, of course they can be paid for their time. That is for the congregation to decide (ultimately) and so be it and nothing wrong. Of course they are not being 'paid for the Gospel' but for their time.

[psychtracker]

I notice he does these 'mirroring' types of things but that is not necessarily something contrived and being manipulated.
It is true that psychologists, counselors and too often salesmen do these things, but, in fact, it is natural for highly empathetic people to do this and very often they don't realize they are doing it.
It is also a type of behavior seen in people who are seeking empathy and want to be trusted and accepted. It goes both ways.
So far, I don't see anything 'nefarious' in this and does seem to be a 'natural' part of his personality.

Well said, my thoughts exactly.

[lynette]

No. Because he's a conman using religion to dupe people and cash in.

Absolutely right!

I just wish people in the house would call him on it......I know Andrew can see him for what he really is!

[chuff me dizzy]

I dislike him for a LOT of reasons ,but HATE him for his religious bull$h1t

[lynette]

if someone is hunging a man, he will hung a man,

You can't mean HANGING - that wouldn't be allowed in BB UK :joker:

Do you mean HUGGING?

[Patricia4]

I dont dislike him for his religious I dislike like him because he's very two faced and sly.

[Bigbrofan25]

I was rasied catholic and I do NOT hate dave for is religion at all but he goes over the top with the getting drunk thing and the fact he is a protestant getting drunk on the word would be branded a herotic in church terms

[chuff me dizzy]

I was rasied catholic and I do NOT hate dave for is religion at all but he goes over the top with the getting drunk thing and the fact he is a protestant getting drunk on the word would be branded a herotic in church terms

What are your ideas on him conning money out of cancer victims ?

[Bigbrofan25]

What are your ideas on him conning money out of cancer victims ?

Plain sick and discusting is my view on that

[chuff me dizzy]

Plain sick and discusting is my view on that

He should never have been allowed in the house ,whos on standby to come in Hooky ?

[Tamtam]

I used to really like Dave, but then because of what i was reading I actually did some reading and I have to say it put me right off him :(

[Bigbrofan25]

He should never have been allowed in the house ,whos on standby to come in Hooky ?

No he shouldn`t have been allowed in the house all he is doing is advertising his own self interests

Fact is to make huge claims that if you donate money you`ll get cured of cancer? is wrong and its sick boasting about it makes it even more sick on national TV

He is using religion to con people thats what they do some of those protestant ministers change it to suit themselves

Oh by the way mr dowling was rasied as catholic too btw:xyxwave:

[Crimson Dynamo]

the guy is a faker

plain old snake oil salesman

and about as slippery

[Shasown]

No he shouldn`t have been allowed in the house all he is doing is advertising his own self interests

Fact is to make huge claims that if you donate money you`ll get cured of cancer? is wrong and its sick boasting about it makes it even more sick on national TV

He is using religion to con people thats what they do some of those protestant ministers change it to suit themselves

Oh by the way mr dowling was rasied as catholic too btw:xyxwave:

He isnt really advertising his own services is he? Nor is he making those claims on TV.

Would it bother you so much if he wasnt Welsh?

[chuff me dizzy]

No he shouldn`t have been allowed in the house all he is doing is advertising his own self interests

Fact is to make huge claims that if you donate money you`ll get cured of cancer? is wrong and its sick boasting about it makes it even more sick on national TV

He is using religion to con people thats what they do some of those protestant ministers change it to suit themselves

Oh by the way mr dowling was rasied as catholic too btw:xyxwave:

Mr Dowling is an amazing man ,who won BB2 on merit

[Bigbrofan25]

He isnt really advertising his own services is he? Nor is he making those claims on TV.

Would it bother you so much if he wasnt Welsh?

Erm I have irish in my family and english I am not anti celtic or anti welsh so don`t come playing that card with me

What I am saying is what is he doing on the show why is a minister of faith going on a reality tv show which gives people maximum media exposure?

[Bigbrofan25]

Mr Dowling is an amazing man ,who won BB2 on merit

Yes he is I think he`d win again if he went back in for all stars

By far the best winner we`ve had at least he wasn`t boring

[Shasown]

Erm I have irish in my family and english I am not anti celtic or anti welsh so don`t come playing that card with me

What I am saying is what is he doing on the show why is a minister of faith going on a reality tv show which gives people maximum media exposure?

The welsh comment was a joke. If you read the thread properly you will see its been mentioned a few times by myself and others.

He has gone into the house for the "BB experience" of course. The fact in his mind he will be spreading the Good News to the heathen masses of the Great British Public probably never entered his head.

[Bigbrofan25]

I could ask you, if you have had therapy for that phobia you have. Did you really think that man in a frock was trying to drown you when you were an infant?

its not being against anti religion its just exposing the con behind some of these evangellicals who claim you`ll receive a blessing if you donate a thousand dollars thats all

If people want be to healed by faith then surely God does the healing not a pastor for a donation

[Shasown]

its not being against anti religion its just exposing the con behind some of these evangellicals who claim you`ll receive a blessing if you donate a thousand dollars thats all

If people want be to healed by faith then surely God does the healing not a pastor for a donation

Has Dave actually said he charges for what he calls a healing or laying on of hands etc? If so whats his price for a penis reduction? I might give him a call after he gets out.

[MargeryFan]

One of the nicest, most genuine people in there!

[chuff me dizzy]

I could ask you, if you have had therapy for that phobia you have. Did you really think that man in a frock was trying to drown you when you were an infant?

Hes not a "man in a frock" he is NOT a vicar ,he is NOT a priest,he is NOT a monk ,hes a nutcase who is part of a dodgy cult that rob cancer victims

[chuff me dizzy]

Has Dave actually said he charges for what he calls a healing or laying on of hands etc? If so whats his price for a penis reduction? I might give him a call after he gets out.

YES he has, £30 a prayer to cure

[reece(:]

He is just boring and stupid with his "drunk on the lord".

[chuff me dizzy]

Yes he is I think he`d win again if he went back in for all stars

By far the best winner we`ve had at least he wasn`t boring

Loved him with a passion

[fingers]

One of the nicest, most genuine people in there!
If you can watch these Vids and still say that, there is no hope!! lol:hugesmile:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDOQyikIUdA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itAUIaMM5zQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utyQLbtlv8U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApPk51wI0&feature=related

[chuff me dizzy]

If you can watch these Vids and still say that, there is no hope!! lol:hugesmile:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDOQyikIUdA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itAUIaMM5zQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utyQLbtlv8U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApPk51wI0&feature=related

Some folk eh ? :rolleyes:

[WOMBAI]

YES he has, £30 a prayer to cure

Link please - I need to see this for myself!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Link please - I need to see this for myself!

try the Reformation

[WOMBAI]

If you can watch these Vids and still say that, there is no hope!! lol:hugesmile:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDOQyikIUdA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itAUIaMM5zQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utyQLbtlv8U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApPk51wI0&feature=related

ffs - once you've seen one of those vids - you've seen them all! Everyone must have seen them by now - keep showing more - won't make any difference! :sleep:

[vesavius]

If you can watch these Vids and still say that, there is no hope!! lol:hugesmile:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDOQyikIUdA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itAUIaMM5zQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utyQLbtlv8U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApPk51wI0&feature=related

keep showing them Fingers, it just annoys people because they have no come back from the reality of Dave shown for who he is :joker:

[chuff me dizzy]

keep showing them Fingers, it just annoys people because they have no come back from the reality of Dave shown for who he is :joker:

Seconded :thumbs::thumbs:

[Bluerang1]

I used to think this, now I know he has a really bad personality. I don't like it. And his voice, urgh.

[crit]

I dislike him because hes an irritating pratt

[flamingGalah!]

Link please - I need to see this for myself!

Do you actually ever watch any of BB?? Or perhaps you put it on mute when Dave is on?? Only you have apparently never heard him say these things which we all have... you wouldn't need a "link" or "proof" then... :xyxwave:

[fingers]

Do you actually ever watch any of BB?? Or perhaps you put it on mute when Dave is on?? Only you have apparently never heard him say these things which we all have... you wouldn't need a "link" or "proof" then... :xyxwave:

There is such a thing as denial and spin, if you deny something took place you can come to believe your own spin!!:dance:

[Abhorsen]

ffs - seen one of those vids... Everyone must have seen them by now - keep showing more

I'm sure you have watched them all, religiously and with fervour. LOL.

[Pink Pegasus]

I like Dave. At times in the past I have found him a bit dull, but overall I think he comes across as a really nice guy,and he's quite amusing at times-think I would get along well with him if I was there myself.

[WOMBAI]

I'm sure you have watched them all, religiously and with fervour. LOL.

Nah - 2 or 3 - just found them boring - but I don't find Dave boring as a hm, he can be quite funny!

[fingers]

I like Dave. At times in the past I have found him a bit dull, but overall I think he comes across as a really nice guy,and he's quite amusing at times-think I would get along well with him if I was there myself.

Watch his Vids! lol:hugesmile:

[ElProximo]

No he shouldn`t have been allowed in the house all he is doing is advertising his own self interests

Uh.. well then anyone with or without a job would be disallowed. Senseless 'rule' you have here.

Fact is to make huge claims that if you donate money you`ll get cured of cancer? is wrong and its sick boasting about it makes it even more sick on national TV

Uhh.. I had to study up on this cult and exchange with David and others in his cult long before Big Brother and to the best of my knowledge they do not charge for cure.
There is no 'healing for donation' scheme.
Is it fair to say you are just making this up?

He is using religion to con people thats what they do some of those protestant ministers change it to suit themselves


No, it is not a 'con'. He believes in this.

[chuff me dizzy]

Uh.. well then anyone with or without a job would be disallowed. Senseless 'rule' you have here.



Uhh.. I had to study up on this cult and exchange with David and others in his cult long before Big Brother and to the best of my knowledge they do not charge for cure.
There is no 'healing for donation' scheme.
Is it fair to say you are just making this up?



No, it is not a 'con'. He believes in this.
Just because he"BELIEVES in it" doesnt make it true ,doesnt mean it can happen ,but does it stop him taking money ? ...no

[ElProximo]

Just because he"BELIEVES in it" doesnt make it true ,doesnt mean it can happen ,but does it stop him taking money ? ...no

Correct to start.
It is because he believes it that we do not call it a 'con'.

Example:
A friend of yours has a bad cold. You advise him to take Echinacia drops under his tongue. You are absolutely convinced it worked for you the last few times you had a cold. Another believer agreed it worked for them. It works! You know it.
Your friend follows your advice. Hey.. what the heck.. he buys you a bottle of echinacia as an appreciation gift.

Are you a con-man?
Are you a 'fraud' who bilks people for money?
No.
But you were wrong. echinacia drops do nothing for you. there is zero reason to believe it. certainly no research showed any effect in reducing or curing a cold.
You were mistaken. You were not a 'liar' or a 'fraud' or a 'con artist'.

It is mind-boggling how you cannot grasp this.

[chuff me dizzy]

Correct to start.
It is because he believes it that we do not call it a 'con'.

Example:
A friend of yours has a bad cold. You advise him to take Echinacia drops under his tongue. You are absolutely convinced it worked for you the last few times you had a cold. Another believer agreed it worked for them. It works! You know it.
Your friend follows your advice. Hey.. what the heck.. he buys you a bottle of echinacia as an appreciation gift.

Are you a con-man?
Are you a 'fraud' who bilks people for money?
No.
But you were wrong. echinacia drops do nothing for you. there is zero reason to believe it. certainly no research showed any effect in reducing or curing a cold.
You were mistaken. You were not a 'liar' or a 'fraud' or a 'con artist'.

It is mind-boggling how you cannot grasp this.

ive not bothered reading your bs ,please preach to someone it may work on,but im not that gullble ,Thank you

[chuff me dizzy]

Correct to start.
It is because he believes it that we do not call it a 'con'.

Example:
A friend of yours has a bad cold. You advise him to take Echinacia drops under his tongue. You are absolutely convinced it worked for you the last few times you had a cold. Another believer agreed it worked for them. It works! You know it.
Your friend follows your advice. Hey.. what the heck.. he buys you a bottle of echinacia as an appreciation gift.

Are you a con-man?
Are you a 'fraud' who bilks people for money?
No.
But you were wrong. echinacia drops do nothing for you. there is zero reason to believe it. certainly no research showed any effect in reducing or curing a cold.
You were mistaken. You were not a 'liar' or a 'fraud' or a 'con artist'.

It is mind-boggling how you cannot grasp this.

ive not bothered reading your bs ,please preach to someone it may work on,but im not that gullible ,Thank you

[EzzaB]

I never liked Dave to begin with...
Still dont like Dave now
1) Extremely Boring
2) Complete arselicker
3) Hes a jerk in general
4) AND he made a big deal out of Ceeva not wearing a bra

[flamingGalah!]

Correct to start.
It is because he believes it that we do not call it a 'con'.

Example:
A friend of yours has a bad cold. You advise him to take Echinacia drops under his tongue. You are absolutely convinced it worked for you the last few times you had a cold. Another believer agreed it worked for them. It works! You know it.
Your friend follows your advice. Hey.. what the heck.. he buys you a bottle of echinacia as an appreciation gift.

Are you a con-man?
Are you a 'fraud' who bilks people for money?
No.
But you were wrong. echinacia drops do nothing for you. there is zero reason to believe it. certainly no research showed any effect in reducing or curing a cold.
You were mistaken. You were not a 'liar' or a 'fraud' or a 'con artist'.

It is mind-boggling how you cannot grasp this.

Oh dear lord, are you still not making coherant posts??!!?? :nono:

Dave IS a CON MAN he is a FRAUD... He CANNOT cure cancer even if he believes he can!!

It is mind boggling & quite frankly bizarre how you cannot grasp this simple fact... :sleep: