Why I have come to love Josie

[Tamtam]

I didnt start liking her and to be honest I did really get why others did. At the start I was a Dave supporter (but that has soured for me) but watching this all unfold I honestly feel for her. She has been latched upon by the biggest emotional vampires in that house (Keeva and JJ) and they have dragged her down to a place where she dosent even know herself or really how to handle it. I think it's sad. I think it's sadder that so many posters here seem so hard and condemning of her for actually having real emotions in reacting to stuff thats been done to her, when there are so many people faking it in there that deserve the hate so much more.

It's also pretty much boiling my blood that C4 always show her upset but never ever show WHY she is upset or explain the whole story. I think thats the main reason so many are against her to be honest... they just don't know what Keeva has been doing and think it's 100% a unprovoked jealous reaction, when in reality it just isnt. While the jealousy from Joise is very real (god forbid she has human emotions eh? Lets all hate her for that right?) it is only 50% of the issue in all this from what I see, but the other 50% isnt being told at all.

So, in defiance of BB's unfair representation, the herd mentality of the baying mob, and in support of real HMs showing real emotions, I openly declare my love and support for Josie!




(And I hate that JJ is pretending to not get why Keeva's underhand sly poking at Josie via looks and whatever wind Josie up, especially when he himself raged so much at Rachael for a lot lot less. You would think he would get it a lot more to be honest.)

[charmingmissc]

well said,

now duck..!

[MissKittyFantastico]

Couldn't agree more, apart from the fact that I liked Josie from when she first went in and continue to like her now.

It's starting to get ridiculous on here now with some of the stuff being said about both her and people supporting her, apparently we're all naive idiots not being able to see through some evil master plan of hers, well all I see is a slightly flawed young woman, (lets face it none of us are perfect and who knows how any of us would react in a situation like the BB house) who doesn't pretend to be something she's not, is very honest and open with her feelings, but who basically wants to have a fun time in there. Shoot her for not perhaps handling things in the best way at times, but she never says anything behind people's backs that she's not prepared to say to their face, which is more than can be said for some of them in there.

Caoimhe is like poison, drip drip drip all the time, latching onto JJ and Josie when Shabby left, now she's trying to drive them apart. I personally think Josie would be better off sticking with Corin and Andrew, everyone in the house loves her though and I'm sure they have a better idea of what she's like than we do at the end of the day. I hope she makes the final and wins. Josie :love:

[WOMBAI]

I didnt start liking her and to be honest I did really get why others did. At the start I was a Dave supporter (but that has soured for me) but watching this all unfold I honestly feel for her. She has been latched upon by the biggest emotional vampires in that house (Keeva and JJ) and they have dragged her down to a place where she dosent even know herself or really how to handle it. I think it's sad. I think it's sadder that so many posters here seem so hard and condemning of her for actually having real emotions in reacting to stuff thats been done to her, when there are so many people faking it in there that deserve the hate so much more.

It's also pretty much boiling my blood that C4 always show her upset but never ever show WHY she is upset or explain the whole story. I think thats the main reason so many are against her to be honest... they just don't know what Keeva has been doing and think it's 100% a unprovoked jealous reaction, when in reality it just isnt. While the jealousy from Joise is very real (god forbid she has human emotions eh? Lets all hate her for that right?) it is only 50% of the issue in all this from what I see, but the other 50% isnt being told at all.

So, in defiance of BB's unfair representation, the herd mentality of the baying mob, and in support of real HMs showing real emotions, I openly declare my love and support for Josie!




(And I hate that JJ is pretending to not get why Keeva's underhand sly poking at Josie via looks and whatever wind Josie up, especially when he himself raged so much at Rachael for a lot lot less. You would think he would get it a lot more to be honest.)

fgs -Josie is a grown woman responsible for her own actions - you can't just excuse her behaviour by blaming others and calling them emotional vampires - what about her being an emotional cripple? Yes - most of us get jealous at times, but not on public tv and about someone we have known 5 minutes who has made it perfectly clear, that they don't feel the same way!

Josie is not the naive little country girl you try to portray her as - after all she did go for the only good-looking guy in the house - shows how shallow she is! You don't punch above your weight (her words more or less) on public tv if you don't want to be hurt! She is either completely stupid - or simply playing a very clever game! She certainly is NOT a victim (but may well be playing one) - but others on the receiving end of her bitchy tongue might potentially be!

[charmingmissc]

just out of interest, who do you class as being "on his level" regarding looks ???

[Tamtam]

fgs -Josie is a grown woman responsible for her own actions - you can't just excuse her behaviour by blaming others and calling them emotional vampires - what about her being an emotional cripple?

We should hate people because they are not 100% emotionally strong? We should hate people, no matter the role others play in dragging them down, because they are going through a rough time? I don't think so, I think thats a very hard nosed and unfeeling way of looking at whats happened and also a way that simply ignores half of the facts in favour in favour of just sticking the knife in her as deeply as possible.

[MissKittyFantastico]

How do you know how you would react in that situation though? You call her an emotional cripple but how do you know that you wouldn't react in some of the same ways she has in an environment like that? None of us can know what it's like in there and how it might mess with your head, I think some people are being very judgmental and unfair tbh, she hasn't done anything wrong but get attached to someone who has actually given her VERY mixed signals the whole time they've been in there, fgs he was crying over her in the DR and wanting to leave at one point!

[Tamtam]

well said,

now duck..!

hehe don't worry, I wear a flame proof suit :D

[WOMBAI]

How do you know how you would react in that situation though? You call her an emotional cripple but how do you know that you wouldn't react in some of the same ways she has in an environment like that? None of us can know what it's like in there and how it might mess with your head, I think some people are being very judgmental and unfair tbh, she hasn't done anything wrong but get attached to someone who has actually given her VERY mixed signals the whole time they've been in there, fgs he was crying over her in the DR and wanting to leave at one point!

I would have enough sense not to put myself up for a show like that! And I don't think JJ has given her mixed signals (and I am not a fan of JJ) - she has read into it what she wanted to! She fell for him because of his looks - and now whines because he doesn't feel the same way about her! The DR thing was an emotional attachment - not a physical one, she is trying to force him into fancying her - and he doesn't, she can't make him fancy her!

[Tamtam]

I would have enough sense not to put myself up for a show like that! !

So, you actually admit you wouldnt go for BB because you think you arnt emotionally strong enough, but you hate Joise for not being emotionally strong enough... thats seems bizarre to me to be honest. I would have thought you would feel a little empathy.

[MissKittyFantastico]

I would have enough sense not to put myself up for a show like that! And I don't think JJ has given her mixed signals (and I am not a fan of JJ) - she has read into it what she wanted to! She fell for him because of his looks - and now whines because he doesn't feel the same way about her! the DR thing was an emotional attachment - not a physical one, she is trying to force him into fancying her - and he doesn't, she can't make him fancy her!

So now she's a fool for even going on the show? Come on now that's just silly! They've formed a very strong bond in there, how can you say that it's all purely physical from her side? Yes she said 'he looks fit in his football kit', she doesn't bang on and on about his looks all the time, they have a laugh, they've had some very deep conversations, and have been there for each other too, I don't believe she would hang about with someone purely based on how they look, otherwise she wouldnt be so close with Andrew would she? You're making her out to be some shallow, delusional fool, I'm sorry but if a guy cried in the DR and said he wanted to leave if I didn't talk to him again, I'd read something into that too, he's been toying with her emotions, either through denial or he's the one playing the very clever game, look at what he did to Rachael!

[poejoe]

all i can say is she needs to go and lie down and suck her thumb

[WOMBAI]

So now she's a fool for even going on the show? Come on now that's just silly! They've formed a very strong bond in there, how can you say that it's all purely physical from her side? Yes she said 'he looks fit in his football kit', she doesn't bang on and on about his looks all the time, they have a laugh, they've had some very deep conversations, and have been there for each other too, I don't believe she would hang about with someone purely based on how they look, otherwise she wouldnt be so close with Andrew would she? You're making her out to be some shallow, delusional fool, I'm sorry but if a guy cried in the DR and said he wanted to leave if I didn't talk to him again, I'd read something into that too, he's been toying with her emotions, either through denial or he's the one playing the very clever game, look at what he did to Rachael!

I am sure Josie said that she fancied JJ from the first moment she saw him - which, of course, implies that she judged him on his looks! And she doesn't fancy Andrew, she just likes him as a friend (just as JJ does her) - I wonder how she would feel if Andrew started carrying on about her in the same way as she has carried on about JJ. Despite the fact that he is quite a bit younger than her - I think he will manage to try harder to control his emotions though!

I think she is making things very difficult for others in there because of her inability to control her emotions - and creating an uncomfortable atmosphere. How dare she try and tell JJ or Keeva or anyone else who they can and can't talk to - because it makes her feel insecure! She is spoiling their experience! It is all about her - she bangs on about her feelings for JJ constantly - and quite frankly - I have had enough!

[Tamtam]

I am sure Josie said that she fancied JJ from the first moment she saw him... I have had enough!

You seem very bitter. I am sure you arnt, but they way that you post is very hard nosed.

[WOMBAI]

You seem very bitter. I am sure you arnt, but they way that you post is very hard nosed.

Bitter about what? I liked Josie at first - but her behaviour has changed my opinion of her! Her behaviour has been pretty awful - I don't like attention-seekers - especially when they pretend they are not! The fact is - she is being nasty to people because of her own insecurities, and she has no right to do that. If you think that is ok - that's fine - but I suspect if it were a hm you disliked you would have a different view!

I have had enough of her - she is an embarrassment - and her behaviour has become painful to watch. It is also incredibly boring. She isn't the only hm in there - and it is about time she remembered that!

[KERRYJ]

wombai you are banging your head against a wall this is a josie lovers area and haters like you are not welcome. Don't judge others to your standards. If you would not be prepared to go into the house than you can't villify others who do. Josie's only "crime" is to prove that she is human, so what if she has made a couple of knee jerk reactions in that house, we all do it but most of us can walk away. It's always been that way in the BB house, one minute you have best friends than you don't because the atmosphere is claustrophbic and the tennants are transient. Situations change so quick and so the HMs have to suit themselves to whatever is happening at the time.

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

I didnt start liking her and to be honest I did really get why others did. At the start I was a Dave supporter (but that has soured for me) but watching this all unfold I honestly feel for her. She has been latched upon by the biggest emotional vampires in that house (Keeva and JJ) and they have dragged her down to a place where she dosent even know herself or really how to handle it. I think it's sad. I think it's sadder that so many posters here seem so hard and condemning of her for actually having real emotions in reacting to stuff thats been done to her, when there are so many people faking it in there that deserve the hate so much more.

It's also pretty much boiling my blood that C4 always show her upset but never ever show WHY she is upset or explain the whole story. I think thats the main reason so many are against her to be honest... they just don't know what Keeva has been doing and think it's 100% a unprovoked jealous reaction, when in reality it just isnt. While the jealousy from Joise is very real (god forbid she has human emotions eh? Lets all hate her for that right?) it is only 50% of the issue in all this from what I see, but the other 50% isnt being told at all.

So, in defiance of BB's unfair representation, the herd mentality of the baying mob, and in support of real HMs showing real emotions, I openly declare my love and support for Josie!




(And I hate that JJ is pretending to not get why Keeva's underhand sly poking at Josie via looks and whatever wind Josie up, especially when he himself raged so much at Rachael for a lot lot less. You would think he would get it a lot more to be honest.)


you gone the other way? interesting :shocked:

most people love her from start to the end

others love her then gone off her lately

I think she a BIAAATCH and acting up to the cameras 24/7

[MissKittyFantastico]

I am sure Josie said that she fancied JJ from the first moment she saw him - which, of course, implies that she judged him on his looks! And she doesn't fancy Andrew, she just likes him as a friend (just as JJ does her) - I wonder how she would feel if Andrew started carrying on about her in the same way as she has carried on about JJ. Despite the fact that he is quite a bit younger than her - I think he will manage to try harder to control his emotions though!

I think she is making things very difficult for others in there because of her inability to control her emotions - and creating an uncomfortable atmosphere. How dare she try and tell JJ or Keeva or anyone else who they can and can't talk to - because it makes her feel insecure! She is spoiling their experience! It is all about her - she bangs on about her feelings for JJ constantly - and quite frankly - I have had enough!

No, she didn't say that, but even if she did it would have been an initial liking of his looks, thats how most people judge others these days, should she be hung for finding a man attractive now? She's a single girl, and there aren't exactly a big choice of men in there this year lets face it! If she didn't like his personality and they didn't hit it off I really don't believe she would have hung around him, she doesn't seem to be that type of girl, though you may disagree of course and I'm sure you will based on her impression of her.

She didn't tell JJ or Caoimhe who they could or couldn't talk to, she's taken exception to Caoimhe knowing that she likes JJ and throwing herself all over him and being a smarmy cow, which she has! She's not spoiling anyone's experience, they all love her in the house, so I don't really see where you're getting that impression from tbh. I do agree she needs to move on from the JJ thing but I also think you're being a bit harsh, like I keep saying, none of us know how we would handle a situation like they're all in.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

I didnt start liking her and to be honest I did really get why others did. At the start I was a Dave supporter (but that has soured for me) but watching this all unfold I honestly feel for her. She has been latched upon by the biggest emotional vampires in that house (Keeva and JJ) and they have dragged her down to a place where she dosent even know herself or really how to handle it. I think it's sad. I think it's sadder that so many posters here seem so hard and condemning of her for actually having real emotions in reacting to stuff thats been done to her, when there are so many people faking it in there that deserve the hate so much more.

It's also pretty much boiling my blood that C4 always show her upset but never ever show WHY she is upset or explain the whole story. I think thats the main reason so many are against her to be honest... they just don't know what Keeva has been doing and think it's 100% a unprovoked jealous reaction, when in reality it just isnt. While the jealousy from Joise is very real (god forbid she has human emotions eh? Lets all hate her for that right?) it is only 50% of the issue in all this from what I see, but the other 50% isnt being told at all.

So, in defiance of BB's unfair representation, the herd mentality of the baying mob, and in support of real HMs showing real emotions, I openly declare my love and support for Josie!




(And I hate that JJ is pretending to not get why Keeva's underhand sly poking at Josie via looks and whatever wind Josie up, especially when he himself raged so much at Rachael for a lot lot less. You would think he would get it a lot more to be honest.)

Totally agree, what a great post, only difference in my opinion is i've liked her since she walked up the stairs on launch night, & she still my favourite.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Josie is 2 tons of fun

she looks after er mukkers

feeds the pigs

and still has time to have the farm hand hang out the back of her before bed

what a gal

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

Josie is 2 tons of fun

she looks after er mukkers

feeds the pigs

and still has time to have the farm hand hang out the back of her before bed

what a gal


feed pigs like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc0JztfhLZA

0:20 :shocked:

[Crimson Dynamo]

feed pigs like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc0JztfhLZA

0:20 :shocked:

:hugesmile::hugesmile::hugesmile:

[WOMBAI]

No, she didn't say that, but even if she did it would have been an initial liking of his looks, thats how most people judge others these days, should she be hung for finding a man attractive now? She's a single girl, and there aren't exactly a big choice of men in there this year lets face it! If she didn't like his personality and they didn't hit it off I really don't believe she would have hung around him, she doesn't seem to be that type of girl, though you may disagree of course and I'm sure you will based on her impression of her.

She didn't tell JJ or Caoimhe who they could or couldn't talk to, she's taken exception to Caoimhe knowing that she likes JJ and throwing herself all over him and being a smarmy cow, which she has! She's not spoiling anyone's experience, they all love her in the house, so I don't really see where you're getting that impression from tbh. I do agree she needs to move on from the JJ thing but I also think you're being a bit harsh, like I keep saying, none of us know how we would handle a situation like they're all in.

Josie fans have accussed JJ of being shallow and superficical for judging Josie on her looks and not fancying her - but that works bothways because Josie clearly judges him on his looks! So she is every bit as shallow and superficial as they accuse him of being! Yes she continued to hang around with him because they get on - he likes her a lot - as a friend, but she won't accept that, she wants more! He has been honest about liking her as a friend only - but she acts like he doesn't mean it or she can change his mind - how arrogant is that!

No she hasn't said it, she doesn't need to - but she certainly puts the pressure on so that they feel very uncomfortable about doing so. On LF last night JJ and Keeva were clearly feeling very uncomfortable about the situation with Josie! She has made them feel very uncomfortable about even talking to each other! She has no right to make them feel that way. She has been jealous of Keeley, now Keeva - it is ridiculous! It is her insecurity and her problem - it is not just about her feelings! Others have feelings too!

[Tamtam]

you gone the other way? interesting :shocked:

most people love her from start to the end

others love her then gone off her lately

I think she a BIAAATCH and acting up to the cameras 24/7

Yes I have, for every reason in my OP.

And as for how you feel, yes, you have said that in just about every thread. I get it. We all get it. The world gets it. It would be great if you actually started to say something interesting and new though, it all gets very tedious and predictable.

[RosieRed xxx]

Bitter about what? I liked Josie at first - but her behaviour has changed my opinion of her! Her behaviour has been pretty awful - I don't like attention-seekers - especially when they pretend they are not! The fact is - she is being nasty to people because of her own insecurities, and she has no right to do that. If you think that is ok - that's fine - but I suspect if it were a hm you disliked you would have a different view!

I have had enough of her - she is an embarrassment - and her behaviour has become painful to watch. It is also incredibly boring. She isn't the only hm in there - and it is about time she remembered that!

You dont like attention seekers?????
Thats all the housemates on your hit list then..........and you watch because????????

[WOMBAI]

You dont like attention seekers?????
Thats all the housemates on your hit list then..........and you watch because????????

There are varying degrees and she is by far the worst, in my book! I don't like attention seekers, particularly those who pretend they are not, as I said, you left that bit out!

And why I watch is my business! :hugesmile:

[Tamtam]

Bitter about what?

I honestly don't know.

[WOMBAI]

Yes I have, for every reason in my OP.

And as for how you feel, yes, you have said that in just about every thread. I get it. We all get it. The world gets it. It would be great if you actually started to say something interesting and new though, it all gets very tedious and predictable.

I get it, we all get it and the world gets it that you like Josie - but, as things go, we don't all feel the same way! :hugesmile:

[MissKittyFantastico]

Josie fans have accussed JJ of being shallow and superficical for judging Josie on her looks and not fancying her - but that works bothways because Josie clearly judges him on his looks! So she is every bit as shallow and superficial as they accuse him of being! Yes she continued to hang around with him because they get on - he likes her a lot - as a friend, but she won't accept that, she wants more! He has been honest about liking her as a friend only - but she acts like he doesn't mean it or she can change his mind - how arrogant is that!

No she hasn't said it, she doesn't need to - but she certainly puts the pressure on so that they feel very uncomfortable about doing so. On LF last night JJ and Keeva were clearly feeling very uncomfortable about the situation with Josie! She has made them feel very uncomfortable about even talking to each other! She has no right to make them feel that way. She has been jealous of Keeley, now Keeva - it is ridiculous! It is her insecurity and her problem - it is not just about her feelings! Others have feelings too!

Correction SOME Josie fans may, though tbh I haven't really seen much evidence of that. Liking the look of someone and then getting to like their personality as well makes someone shallow now? because that's what Josie did. Of course our initial impressions of people are based on looks, if Josie was shallow she wouldn't associate herself with people that could be classed as 'mingers' at all would she? She said she thought Nathan was attractive as well, and he was hardly the best looking guy to ever walk through the door so I think your assumption there is very flawed tbh. She isn't tryng to force herself on him either, she even said it would be easier if he did fancy someone else in there and went off with them, of course she's finding it hard, fgs it's such a small environment, you'd have to be extremely hard hearted not to see that she is struggling with how she feels and doesn't know what to do!

Caoimhe knows exactly what she is doing, she lost Shabby and was alone (lost her storyline) so then she latched onto those two, funny with them being so close and being the focus of of a lot going on in the house. Josie was a good friend to her, and she's thrown it back in her face with her being all over JJ and smirking at Josie in the meantime. No wonder Josie's head is all over the place! Cut her some slack!

[Tamtam]

I get it, we all get it and the world gets it that you like Josie - but, as things go, we don't all feel the same way! :hugesmile:

Seeing as this was actually my first post saying it, because I have really only just arrived at it after thinking about it while watching the last few days, that really isnt really the clever attempted reversal as you think it was.

[WOMBAI]

Seeing as this was actually my first post saying it, because I have really only just arrived at it after thinking about it while watching the last few days, that really isnt really the clever attempted reversal as you think it was.

You read minds too now! :hugesmile:

[RosieRed xxx]

There are varying degrees and she is by far the worst, in my book! I don't like attention seekers, particularly those who pretend they are not, as I said, you left that bit out!

And why I watch is my business! :hugesmile:

Fair enough :laugh:

[WOMBAI]

I honestly don't know.

Just like you don't know if I am bitter - more of your amateur guesswork! :hugesmile:

[Tamtam]

Just like you don't know if I am bitter - more of your amateur guesswork! :hugesmile:

I said you appeared bitter based on your posts. Again, your not looking as clever as you seem to think you are.

Why does every thread your in turn into this kind of slanging match by the way? I have noticed that.

[WOMBAI]

I said you appeared bitter based on your posts. Again, your not looking as clever as you seem to think you are.

Why does every thread your in turn into this kind of slanging match by the way? I have noticed that.

The same can easily be said of you! And I was just wondering why you keep coming back at me with such accusing, sarcastic posts! You are the one interested in having a slanging match it seems! I don't like Josie - deary me, I must be one bitter person! :sleep:

[vesavius]

I said you appeared bitter based on your posts. Again, your not looking as clever as you seem to think you are.

Why does every thread your in turn into this kind of slanging match by the way? I have noticed that.

It's what she does Tam, don't let it worry you. Wom is one of the more... 'intense' posters around here and I bet if you looked back over her post history 80% of it would be in silly trolling name calling :joker:

As for your OP though, well, wow... Well said. Welcome to the good guys :thumbs:

[WOMBAI]

So, you actually admit you wouldnt go for BB because you think you arnt emotionally strong enough, but you hate Joise for not being emotionally strong enough... thats seems bizarre to me to be honest. I would have thought you would feel a little empathy.

You love putting words in people's mouths don't you! I didn't say I wasn't emotionally strong enough, I don't know - but I wouldn't expose myself to that type of programme given the nature of the insults constantly hurled around by hms and public alike! Anyone with the sort of insecurity issues Josie has are just inviting problems! She probably should of known better.

Empathy, my dear, is one of my strong points - but I save my empathy for people with genuine problems that aren't self-inflicted! Seems you are the one taking the show too seriously! Lets get things in perspective, shall we - she is jealous that the good-looking guy she likes on a tv show doesn't fancy her back - thanks, but I think empathy is not a word I would apply in this situation!

[WOMBAI]

It's what she does Tam, don't let it worry you. Wom is one of the more... 'intense' posters around here and I bet if you looked back over her post history 80% of it would be in silly trolling name calling :joker:

As for your OP though, well, wow... Well said. Welcome to the good guys :thumbs:

She hasn't read your posts yet! :joker:

[vesavius]

Empathy, my dear, is one of my strong points

Actually, from reading this thread I would say no, it actually isnt Wom.

I would say trolling, patronising, and name calling is though, because it's true every thread no matter who you talk to turns out the same and the only constant element is you.

But... y'know what? Knock yourself out lol. Whatever gets you throught the day :)

[WOMBAI]

Actually, from reading this thread I would say no, it actually isnt Wom.

I would say trolling, patronising, and name calling is though, because it's true every thread no matter who you talk to turns out the same and the only constant element is you.

But... y'know what? Knock yourself out lol. Whatever gets you throught the day :)

Really - you are a fine one to talk! :sleep: What name calling are you talking about by the way - if you care to look through the thread - I think you will see that she was the first to start doing that when she called me bitter!

[vesavius]

She hasn't read your posts yet! :joker:

lol what she says makes perfect sense to me and she drops it in a reasoned and non agressive way.

I don't see me and her having a problem here at all :D

[MeMyselfAndI]

her and JJ are only real people i think :)

[Stacey.]

She reacts to things in a bad way like all the time. She's so jealous of Caoimhe and John being together that now she's even trying to turn John against Caoimhe. And she bitches a lot, yes does often go back and tell the though which is one good thing. But she can't handle it when someone else is with John, yet instead of going to him and telling him how she feels about it, she just goes to Andrew and acts with him like they're 'together'. I know it's sort of a way of getting back at him she feels but still. Also when she's in the diary room, or infront of people she wants to impress or whatever, she starts all that non-stop laughing which really annoys me.

[WOMBAI]

Correction SOME Josie fans may, though tbh I haven't really seen much evidence of that. Liking the look of someone and then getting to like their personality as well makes someone shallow now? because that's what Josie did. Of course our initial impressions of people are based on looks, if Josie was shallow she wouldn't associate herself with people that could be classed as 'mingers' at all would she? She said she thought Nathan was attractive as well, and he was hardly the best looking guy to ever walk through the door so I think your assumption there is very flawed tbh. She isn't tryng to force herself on him either, she even said it would be easier if he did fancy someone else in there and went off with them, of course she's finding it hard, fgs it's such a small environment, you'd have to be extremely hard hearted not to see that she is struggling with how she feels and doesn't know what to do!

Caoimhe knows exactly what she is doing, she lost Shabby and was alone (lost her storyline) so then she latched onto those two, funny with them being so close and being the focus of of a lot going on in the house. Josie was a good friend to her, and she's thrown it back in her face with her being all over JJ and smirking at Josie in the meantime. No wonder Josie's head is all over the place! Cut her some slack!

Sorry - but like many others, I don't agree with you! I don't think she is the victim you and others on this thread think she is - so we will just have to agree to disagree I'm afraid!

[vesavius]

her and JJ are only real people i think :)

I agree, but I think it's been made obvious that viewers don't want real people, despite b1tching about 'fakes' 24/7.

I will leave it to you to look at the hypocrisy in that for yourself ;)

[vesavius]

Correction SOME Josie fans may, though tbh I haven't really seen much evidence of that. Liking the look of someone and then getting to like their personality as well makes someone shallow now? because that's what Josie did. Of course our initial impressions of people are based on looks, if Josie was shallow she wouldn't associate herself with people that could be classed as 'mingers' at all would she? She said she thought Nathan was attractive as well, and he was hardly the best looking guy to ever walk through the door so I think your assumption there is very flawed tbh. She isn't tryng to force herself on him either, she even said it would be easier if he did fancy someone else in there and went off with them, of course she's finding it hard, fgs it's such a small environment, you'd have to be extremely hard hearted not to see that she is struggling with how she feels and doesn't know what to do!

Caoimhe knows exactly what she is doing, she lost Shabby and was alone (lost her storyline) so then she latched onto those two, funny with them being so close and being the focus of of a lot going on in the house. Josie was a good friend to her, and she's thrown it back in her face with her being all over JJ and smirking at Josie in the meantime. No wonder Josie's head is all over the place! Cut her some slack!

Kitty gets it :thumbs:

[WOMBAI]

Actually, from reading this thread I would say no, it actually isnt Wom.

I would say trolling, patronising, and name calling is though, because it's true every thread no matter who you talk to turns out the same and the only constant element is you.

But... y'know what? Knock yourself out lol. Whatever gets you throught the day :)

Says one troll to another, apparently! It isn't me that watches live feed 24/7! :joker:

[vesavius]

Says one troll to another, apparently! It isn't me that watches live feed 24/7! :joker:

You have actually answered this same post twice now in your need to have the last word... it's starting to look a little loco on your part :crazy:

[WOMBAI]

You have actually answered this same post twice now in your need to have the last word... it's starting to look a little loco on your part :crazy:

Wow - maybe that is because I thought of another point I wanted to make regarding your comments on that post! Doh! :joker:

[vesavius]

Wow - maybe that is because I thought of another point I wanted to make regarding your comments on that post! Doh! :joker:

You actually went away, fumed about it until you couldnt bear it any longer, thought of something else to say, and came back and created a new post for it instead of editing to original one? :joker: :crazy: :joker:

[WOMBAI]

You actually went away, fumed about it until you couldnt bear it any longer, thought of something else to say, and came back and created a new post for it instead of editing to original one? :joker: :crazy: :joker:

Oh dear - I must be going crazy then - the effects of having to try and reason with a bunch of hysterical Josie fans! :joker:

[vesavius]

I didnt start liking her and to be honest I did really get why others did. At the start I was a Dave supporter (but that has soured for me) but watching this all unfold I honestly feel for her. She has been latched upon by the biggest emotional vampires in that house (Keeva and JJ) and they have dragged her down to a place where she dosent even know herself or really how to handle it. I think it's sad. I think it's sadder that so many posters here seem so hard and condemning of her for actually having real emotions in reacting to stuff thats been done to her, when there are so many people faking it in there that deserve the hate so much more.

It's also pretty much boiling my blood that C4 always show her upset but never ever show WHY she is upset or explain the whole story. I think thats the main reason so many are against her to be honest... they just don't know what Keeva has been doing and think it's 100% a unprovoked jealous reaction, when in reality it just isnt. While the jealousy from Joise is very real (god forbid she has human emotions eh? Lets all hate her for that right?) it is only 50% of the issue in all this from what I see, but the other 50% isnt being told at all.

So, in defiance of BB's unfair representation, the herd mentality of the baying mob, and in support of real HMs showing real emotions, I openly declare my love and support for Josie!




(And I hate that JJ is pretending to not get why Keeva's underhand sly poking at Josie via looks and whatever wind Josie up, especially when he himself raged so much at Rachael for a lot lot less. You would think he would get it a lot more to be honest.)

Lets get this thread back on track.

I completely agree about JJs' bewildering lack of understanding... you would think of all people he would get how nasty people can be with 'looks', let alone muttered comments and intentional flirting.

[WOMBAI]

Lets get this thread back on track.

I completely agree about JJs' bewildering lack of understanding... you would think of all people he would get how nasty people can be with 'looks', let alone muttered comments and intentional flirting.

How about following through with your accusations and showing me where I have name-called anyone on this thread! You just can't stand a bit of healthy debate if it criticises your fav hm! :nono:

[tintedshadow]

smh wombai trust me when i say i think much the same of josie as you do,but can each thread your in please not be derailed in to mindless bickering?things get a little too personal,you seem to want to attack josie fans as if their idiots for favouring her over others.. believe i dont like her as much as you do but these threads are becoming less constructive,thus the only ones that comment in here are ones who will argue with you.. im asking kindly as these threads are interesting for me,as im sure they are for others.. debate is okay but there's always a slight edge of venom and antagonism about each post..

[WOMBAI]

smh wombai trust me when i say i think much the same of josie as you do,but can each thread your in please not be derailed in to mindless bickering?things get a little too personal,you seem to want to attack josie fans as if their idiots for favouring her over others.. believe i dont like her as much as you do but these threads are becoming less constructive,thus the only ones that comment in here are ones who will argue with you.. im asking kindly as these threads are interesting for me,as im sure they are for others.. debate is okay but there's always a slight edge of venom and antagonism about each post..

Please tell me how I started it? Because that is not my view of things - I just re-read the thread - and still I don't see that the bickering is down to me. I defended myself when the op was hostile and accused me of being bitter because I posted my reasons for not liking Josie! She got sarcastic and I got sarcastic back - how does that become my fault!

[vesavius]

How about following through with your accusations and showing me where I have name-called anyone on this thread! You just can't stand a bit of healthy debate if it criticises your fav hm! :nono:

Please Wom, I have tried to carry this thread on with reference to the OP. Don't please keep dragging it back to trolling? Not every thread has to be about that and this one has seen enough of it tbh.

[vesavius]

smh wombai trust me when i say i think much the same of josie as you do,but can each thread your in please not be derailed in to mindless bickering?things get a little too personal,you seem to want to attack josie fans as if their idiots for favouring her over others.. believe i dont like her as much as you do but these threads are becoming less constructive,thus the only ones that comment in here are ones who will argue with you.. im asking kindly as these threads are interesting for me,as im sure they are for others.. debate is okay but there's always a slight edge of venom and antagonism about each post..

Exactly Tinted.

I know you don't see things my way regarding caoimhe and Josie, but thats cool because you talk about it calmly and stay on topic.

I appreciate your posts.

[tintedshadow]

(And I hate that JJ is pretending to not get why Keeva's underhand sly poking at Josie via looks and whatever wind Josie up, especially when he himself raged so much at Rachael for a lot lot less. You would think he would get it a lot more to be honest.)

i tried to understand this point when it was raised by another guy on here last night,i fail to see why caoimhe speaking to john should annoy josie?first off she has said she fancies him then retracted said statement,then said she does again (which btw is fine we all do this flip flopping around in life) but she spends her time with anyone she wants,flirts with anyone she wants,flashes andrew and does whatever knowing john likes/fancies/infatuated with her.. her treatment with him last week was pretty low,he still apologised even after it was shown that she had called him whatever the name was..

and in that discussion,she and john were outside,she began poking at him liking keeley,he insisted he didnt and they joked about,she then took issue with it and went for him then when he said she called him crab eyes she went off on one (saying how it wasnt her,but steve that had said it,when infact it was her) ... and when he went in the diary room obviosly in a bad state,she took pop shots at him the whole time,he still forgave her..

this past week has shown a diffrent side to her.. i fail to understand why she can flirt far more with any guy she wants,but john spending time with who he gets on with is an issue?anyone who says caoimhe is a "vile" person for "pushing josie's buttons" will surely have noticed when john was in the bathroom,and she started talking to andrew and telling him "look at him,he even has a problem with me speaking to you" when john simply walked in to the bathroom and didnt say a word..

personally on here the josie fans wont see fault in her actions,but then again i suppose jj fans aren't much better. from an objective point of you though,i'd say josie isnt a victim as much as is being made out on here..

[WOMBAI]

Please Wom, I have tried to carry this thread on with reference to the OP. Don't please keep dragging it back to trolling? Not every thread has to be about that and this one has seen enough of it tbh.

And that isn't down to me! Threads are supposed to be about debate - both sides giving their reasons for liking/disliking a hm! It is what it is all about! Who are you to call me a troll for expressing my opinions, same as everyone else - and stop attempting to make me look the guilty one because I happen to dislike her rather than like her!

[vesavius]

And that isn't down to me! Threads are supposed to be about debate - both sides giving their reasons for liking/disliking a hm! It is what it is all about! Who are you to call me a troll for expressing my opinions, same as everyone else - and stop attempting to make me look the guilty one because I happen to dislike her rather than like her!

Please stop now?

[tintedshadow]

Please tell me how I started it? Because that is not my view of things - I just re-read the thread - and still I don't see that the bickering is down to me. I defended myself when the op was hostile and accused me of being bitter because I posted my reasons for not liking Josie! She got sarcastic and I got sarcastic back - how does that become my fault!

forgive me wombai,there seems to be a misunderstanding here.. i have not said you started anything,andthis isnt the playground where anyone says "ooh she started it so i said this ner ner"... my point was simply this forum is for all,and since we both share an equal dislike for josie i'd like to debate it,but by the time i get on here you've battled your way through the josie fan's and there is no longer a discussion to be had..

i agree you are not always the one to start it,but you are the one to always get personal first,where someone would say i like josie shes so sweet (whether that is true or not is not the point) you will then pipe in with "dont be so naive,i feel for you if you think shes a sweet girl your more deluded than i thought" ...

fyi thats not a direct quote more just the jist to highlight my point,i may disagree with almost all in here,but getting personal isnt called for nor is it constructive,furthermore it would stop others from posting in here,i thought twice before posting in three previos threads simply because of the bickering. (although i understand its about free speach and if i dont like what i see then look at another thread) my point is more the threads i wish to post in your already in,im simply asking kindly if the personal attacks on others could be put aside for the sake of healthy debate?if not its not a problem i just thought i'd ask..

[WOMBAI]

forgive me wombai,there seems to be a misunderstanding here.. i have not said you started anything,andthis isnt the playground where anyone says "ooh she started it so i said this ner ner"... my point was simply this forum is for all,and since we both share an equal dislike for josie i'd like to debate it,but by the time i get on here you've battled your way through the josie fan's and there is no longer a discussion to be had..

i agree you are not always the one to start it,but you are the one to always get personal first,where someone would say i like josie shes so sweet (whether that is true or not is not the point) you will then pipe in with "dont be so naive,i feel for you if you think shes a sweet girl your more deluded than i thought" ...

fyi thats not a direct quote more just the jist to highlight my point,i may disagree with almost all in here,but getting personal isnt called for nor is it constructive,furthermore it would stop others from posting in here,i thought twice before posting in three previos threads simply because of the bickering. (although i understand its about free speach and if i dont like what i see then look at another thread) my point is more the threads i wish to post in your already in,im simply asking kindly if the personal attacks on others could be put aside for the sake of healthy debate?if not its not a problem i just thought i'd ask..

Whilst I appreciate what you say - I disagree that I resort to personal insults - unless in response to such insults to myself. If I did I would be warned or banned! Anything I say, is very tame compared to many on this site. Yes, maybe tit for tat is not always the way to go - but it takes two- so both should be criticised! The op was insulting and sarcastic to myself and another poster, but I hear no criticism of that! I have no wish to spoil the thread any more than anyone else - but if this thread has been spoilt, and I hope it hasn't, I don't believe it was by me!

[vesavius]

Attempt 2 to get this thread back on track;

I didnt start liking her and to be honest I did really get why others did. At the start I was a Dave supporter (but that has soured for me) but watching this all unfold I honestly feel for her. She has been latched upon by the biggest emotional vampires in that house (Keeva and JJ) and they have dragged her down to a place where she dosent even know herself or really how to handle it. I think it's sad. I think it's sadder that so many posters here seem so hard and condemning of her for actually having real emotions in reacting to stuff thats been done to her, when there are so many people faking it in there that deserve the hate so much more.

It's also pretty much boiling my blood that C4 always show her upset but never ever show WHY she is upset or explain the whole story. I think thats the main reason so many are against her to be honest... they just don't know what Keeva has been doing and think it's 100% a unprovoked jealous reaction, when in reality it just isnt. While the jealousy from Joise is very real (god forbid she has human emotions eh? Lets all hate her for that right?) it is only 50% of the issue in all this from what I see, but the other 50% isnt being told at all.

So, in defiance of BB's unfair representation, the herd mentality of the baying mob, and in support of real HMs showing real emotions, I openly declare my love and support for Josie!




(And I hate that JJ is pretending to not get why Keeva's underhand sly poking at Josie via looks and whatever wind Josie up, especially when he himself raged so much at Rachael for a lot lot less. You would think he would get it a lot more to be honest.)


I completely agree about JJs' bewildering lack of understanding... you would think of all people he would get how nasty people can be with 'looks', let alone muttered comments and intentional flirting.

[tintedshadow]

Whilst I appreciate what you say - I disagree that I resort to personal insults - unless in response to such insults to myself. If I did I would be warned or banned! Anything I say, is very tame compared to many on this site. Yes, maybe tit for tat is not always the way to go - but it takes two- so both should be criticised! The op was insulting and sarcastic to myself and another poster, but I hear no criticism of that! I have no wish to spoil the thread any more than anyone else - but if this thread has been spoilt, and I hope it hasn't, I don't believe it was by me!

okay i wont keep bringing it back to this so all i will say is perhaps you feel they attacked you,but the op wasnt insulting imo but in every thread your in it does descend in to chaos once you throw the first punch so to speak... but ill leave it there and thanks for not biting my head off even though im not your favourite poster by a merry mile :blush:

[tintedshadow]

Attempt 2 to get this thread back on track;




I completely agree about JJs' bewildering lack of understanding... you would think of all people he would get how nasty people can be with 'looks', let alone muttered comments and intentional flirting.

is there anywhere on this forum or the ch4 site that can highlight these muttered comments for me?i seem to be missing a big chunk of this situation,but i still dont see how its worst than josies comments to andrew when she knows john fancies her,or her treatment of john for that matter..

if caoimhe had flashed john and been latched on to john the way josie had been with andrew then i could see that as intentional flirting,them two laughing and speaking to one another without josie around isnt enough on its own imo,so im interested to know about these comments that have obviosly gone on since everyone is so up in arms about it

[vesavius]

is there anywhere on this forum or the ch4 site that can highlight these muttered comments for me?i seem to be missing a big chunk of this situation

No, thats exactly the point, BB hasnt shown them in the HLs or mentioned them on the BB site.

If you didnt pick them up on the LF when they happened you would never know... This is a big part of what I mean when I say half of this situation hasnt been represented.

[jj43]

Stay cool everyone

[tintedshadow]

No, thats exactly the point, BB hasnt shown them in the HLs or mentioned them on the BB site.

If you didnt pick them up on the LF when they happened you would never know... This is a big part of what I mean when I say half of this situation hasnt been represented.

okay but surely if these were as controversial as some say,is there a thread on here with quotes of what has been said?or any quick examples you could give me? btw im not testing to see what you know,i am genuinely interested cause i feel like im missing out in some way :conf:

[Abhorsen]

Whilst I appreciate what you say - I disagree that I resort to personal insults - unless in response to such insults to myself. If I did I would be warned or banned! Anything I say, is very tame compared to many on this site. Yes, maybe tit for tat is not always the way to go - but it takes two- so both should be criticised! The op was insulting and sarcastic to myself and another poster, but I hear no criticism of that! I have no wish to spoil the thread any more than anyone else - but if this thread has been spoilt, and I hope it hasn't, I don't believe it was by me!

You being your usual popular self again WOMBAI. LOL.

You've been reading 'How to win friends and influence people' again haven't you. :nono:

[ashlee-s-]

Deleted.

[WOMBAI]

No thanks - she is vile!

[WOMBAI]

You being your usual popular self again WOMBAI. LOL.

You've been reading 'How to win friends and influence people' again haven't you. :nono:

I have my moments! :joker:

Whereas you ....! :wavey:

[InOne]

Ohhh ffs this, annoying bint again, bumping Josie threads

[BBfan46]

Simply the best... better than all the rest.

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

Simply the best... better than all the rest.

simply a sex pest more like

she belongs in cell block H

a) she sees JJ as 11yo little brother (pedo AND incest double right there)

b) she is ugly and stone-faced, with evil eyes

c) she is a lazy slob and so wouldnt mind laying around in a cell all day anyway

[BBfan46]

simply a sex pest more like

she belongs in cell block H

a) she sees JJ as 11yo little brother (pedo AND incest double right there)

b) she is ugly and stone-faced, with evil eyes

c) she is a lazy slob and so wouldnt mind laying around in a cell all day anyway

It's JJ1 who said Josie was like a sibling but does that stop him rubbing her tits? Big Brother isn't a beauty pageant and if you think it is you should ****. She's not lazy, most of them spend their time sitting down or lying down because there's nothing for them to do.