Jon James Aspergers

[bigbothery]

do you think jon james has mild form of aspergers

[Zippy]

You should tell us what it is first. I cant be arsed googling it.

[Stacey.]

Never heard of that.

[watchinittoomuch]

No.

My son has Asperger's Syndrome so I would recognise the signs.

[Jords]

No.

[MusicMan]

If he does have it, it's mild as you suggest
But I don't think he has it
My friend has Asperger's, it's a form of autism, a social impairment which makes it difficult for the sufferer to understand people, and often like to be alone (generalising a bit). It is also common for sufferers to have a specific talent or strength, for example my friend has an amazing memory for dates and history etc, other affected people are fantastic mathematicians or musicians, for example.

[Miss Ivy Balls]

No way. I have a friend who has it and she gets frightened around new people/certain situations. John James is a confident person who will take anyone on in any argument.

[Angus]

No, JJ has a borderline personality disorder - he displays most of the symptoms. He has severe trust issues which seem to be at the root of his anger.

[Stacey.]

What's autism?

[fingers]

He more or less told Josie on the couch tonight that he has a pathological hatred of liars, she was appalled at this psycopathic admission, even though she's not the sharpest tack in the box.

[Frank E]

No, there seems no basis for a Psych assessment for Aspergers.

[Speedster]

No. My Niece has apergers. What this freak has is a bad attitude and bad manners.

[Alpertinator]

I'm shocked that some people here have no idea what it is. Zippy? I thought you were a smart arse.

Anyway, I personally think mild asbergers is much more common than most people think. I have it. Mild. I voted yes. I think JJ shows signs of it.

I noticed someone say their son has it so they'd know the signs which is a fair point but there's different levels of it, and most people who know they have it know cos' it's an intense level of it. Me I didn't find out 'til last year, and my dad almost certainly has it and still doesn't know (even though people have told him, he denies it and gets asberger angry) and he will never accept that he has bad asbergers' much worse than me cos' he's so old fashioned. He's basically isolated himself from society and me and my brother can hardly stand him anymore. You got asbergers' then you gotta' accept it and learn to deal with it basically.

I think JJ has it, mild spectrum.

[InOne]

No, JJ has a borderline personality disorder - he displays most of the symptoms. He has severe trust issues which seem to be at the root of his anger.

Bit of a strong diagnosis there Dr Angus lol. I do see him as very emotionally immature though.

[fingers]

Bit of a strong diagnosis there Dr Angus lol. I do see him as very emotionally immature though.

He admitted tonight that he has a pathological hatred of liars!

not that he dislikes liars - he has a pathological hatred for them!

[InOne]

He admitted tonight that he has a pathological hatred of liars!

not that he dislikes liars - he has a pathological hatred for them!

But how do we know how deep this 'hatred' actually is?

[Jarvio]

What the hell?!

Of course he hasn't got frickin aspergers, do you even know what it is OP?

[Speedster]

You should tell us what it is first. I cant be arsed googling it.

It's a form of autism but instead of making people introvert, they're very extrovert and are often (if not always) hyper active.

[watchinittoomuch]

http://psychcentral.com/lib/2007/all-about-aspergers-disorder/


A very basic piece of information about AS ^^ :)

I dont think JJ has any of the signs.

[as90]

I've taught some kids/teens with aspergers and JJ definitely does not have aspergers, so far JJ has been accused of many things, he's generally a decent guy.

[fingers]

But how do we know how deep this 'hatred' actually is?

If you had seen the conversation you'd know what I mean, but it will never make the HLs or be covered on the BB site!

I said pathological, does that tell you anything?

[Beastie]

I'm shocked that some people here have no idea what it is. Zippy? I thought you were a smart arse.

Anyway, I personally think mild asbergers is much more common than most people think. I have it. Mild. I voted yes. I think JJ shows signs of it.

I noticed someone say their son has it so they'd know the signs which is a fair point but there's different levels of it, and most people who know they have it know cos' it's an intense level of it. Me I didn't find out 'til last year, and my dad almost certainly has it and still doesn't know (even though people have told him, he denies it and gets asberger angry) and he will never accept that he has bad asbergers' much worse than me cos' he's so old fashioned. He's basically isolated himself from society and me and my brother can hardly stand him anymore. You got asbergers' then you gotta' accept it and learn to deal with it basically.

I think JJ has it, mild spectrum.


Yeah I have it too.. well mild autism.. I was acting different when I was like 1/2 years old then well my parents found out that I was part of the autistic spectrum. Aww I don't have an amazing talent.. which is a shame. Sometimes when someone asks you a question.. it is like you have to think of it twice as long before answering at times.. or there is a lot of other traits to do with it too. Lol I don't mind being alone either. I don't like being around a group of people for too long. I get nervous and flustered around big crowds of people.. at my work..I have only just got used to being around quite a few people.

I don't think JJ has it.. but I could be wrong.

[Alpertinator]

Okay people are being way too harsh on the OP.

Plus It's a form of autism but instead of making people introvert, they're very extrovert and are often (if not always) hyper active.

I dont think JJ has any of the signs.

Some people don't fully know what their on about. It's not really right to say that JJ doesn't have any of the signs whatsoever. To be honest there are a lot of symtoms of the syndrome and therefore many people have signs of it, even if they don't have asbergers (JJ possibly falls into this category).

And Speedster what you said was more relevant to ADHD. Asbergers' are more extrovert yeah, but not neccesarily hyperactive. They're intense... definitely very intense.

Anyway I said in my other post that for the most part the people who actually know that they have asbergers' know because they have an intense spectrum of it... people such as myself, with an incredibly mild spectrum, may go a lot of their life if not all of it without knowing. I was only diagnosed last year and I don't consider it a problem... other than that my mum seems to love talkin' about it.

[InOne]

If you had seen the conversation you'd know what I mean, but it will never make the HLs or be covered on the BB site!

I said pathological, does that tell you anything?

Doesn't mean BPD really though. His issues probably stem from his Dad dying and the fact he had to quit wor to comfort his mum. He definitely has a lot going on up there though. Could do with a Psychiatrist.

[Beastie]

It's a form of autism but instead of making people introvert, they're very extrovert and are often (if not always) hyper active.

Yeah as a kid.. I liked to be alone as well but could be headstrong, hyperactive.. not sure about the extrovert part though.

[Beastie]

Yeah autism.. aspergers.. etc.. it is on a large scale. It can go from.. having it mild.. to having it severe.

[fingers]

Doesn't mean BPD really though. His issues probably stem from his Dad dying and the fact he had to quit wor to comfort his mum. He definitely has a lot going on up there though. Could do with a Psychiatrist.

He definitely needs proper psychiatric help, even Josie, who is not noted for her amazing intellect told him that!!

[InOne]

He definitely needs proper psychiatric help, even Josie, who is not noted for her amazing intellect told him that!!

Doubt he will get it. He will leave BB, then go back to his cosy life in OZ.

[fingers]

Doubt he will get it. He will leave BB, then go back to his cosy life in OZ.

I doubt that he would seek it anyway!

[Frank E]

Gosh, all these differential diagnoses going around!
We could really throw the ICD 10 manual at him, not the diagnoses they contain ... we could just throw books at him.

[Alpertinator]

I don't get why people so often view psychiatry in such a negative light. Well firstly they're afraid of it actually, not that they'd easily admit to that.

I started seeing a psychiatrist when I was 15 and screw the fookin' stereotypical psychiatrist with the laying on a couch and all that $hit that really pisses me off. It's really helpful and my psychiatrist (though like 25 years older than me) just feels like a mate now. I just go and talk to him and have a laugh with him and I'll be leavin' him in about a month actually.

[InOne]

I don't get why people so often view psychiatry in such a negative light. Well firstly they're afraid of it actually, not that they'd easily admit to that.

I started seeing a psychiatrist when I was 15 and screw the fookin' stereotypical psychiatrist with the laying on a couch and all that $hit that really pisses me off. It's really helpful and my psychiatrist (though like 25 years older than me) just feels like a mate now. I just go and talk to him and have a laugh with him and I'll be leavin' him in about a month actually.

There are up and downs to it really.

[Beastie]

I don't get why people so often view psychiatry in such a negative light. Well firstly they're afraid of it actually, not that they'd easily admit to that.

I started seeing a psychiatrist when I was 15 and screw the fookin' stereotypical psychiatrist with the laying on a couch and all that $hit that really pisses me off. It's really helpful and my psychiatrist (though like 25 years older than me) just feels like a mate now. I just go and talk to him and have a laugh with him and I'll be leavin' him in about a month actually.

Yeah I used to see psychiastrists and that. I also went to speech therapy too. I stopped going to hospital and that for it in my early teens. I am fine with my learning ability and that.. but I am just cautious of "people" at my tender age of 21.. lol. Well nah I am fine really. People should just do what they want and f uck conventional living in a way.

I have trust issues.. I think. To be honest.. I used to hate liars too. Well it is like with people.. "having a go" it is like I always had to prove myself. I think "people" around me too often cause more harm than good. I used to be optimistic around people. Try and see the best in them but now I am like.. mm.. can't trust anyone at times.

I think it is because I have been hurt by a lot of people. So that I am happier on my own. Well I have like one friend now.. or friends I talk to now and again. I think I need to find the right people to connect with really.

[Alpertinator]

See that's what's good about havin' asbergers' you know how to break the conventions and you're determined not to conform to petty $hit... bad thing is you have to bite your tongue a lot... or maybe that's just me...

[Beastie]

See that's what's good about havin' asbergers' you know how to break the conventions and you're determined not to conform to petty $hit... bad thing is you have to bite your tongue a lot... or maybe that's just me...

Lol biting your tongue.. mmmm.. well I don't know.. I am happier now really because I choose not to have the hassle of people going on at me. lol

Life seems to be about how many friends you have on facebook.. too conventional and it's like.. oh.. is that what we have to do now?? NO!! you can f uck that pretentious sh!t. lol

[Alpertinator]

Yeah see that's a huge part of my philosophy - social networking is awful.

I signed up a facebook account cos' I was basically forced to but I never go on it and I find it incredible that people can get addicted to this site on which you look at peoples' profiles, look at pictures, read about every little part of peoples' private lives that they love to publish, and poke each other. A lot of the status updates on facebook often tend to be people showing off about how good something they've just done is, or how they passed their driving lesson I don't get why people want to show off... and moreso don't get why they want to share details of their private lives with many many people... many of whom they don't really know at all.

[Beastie]

Yeah see that's a huge part of my philosophy - social networking is awful.

I signed up a facebook account cos' I was basically forced to but I never go on it and I find it incredible that people can get addicted to this site on which you look at peoples' profiles, look at pictures, read about every little part of peoples' private lives that they love to publish, and poke each other. A lot of the status updates on facebook often tend to be people showing off about how good something they've just done is, or how they passed their driving lesson I don't get why people want to show off... and moreso don't get why they want to share details of their private lives with many many people... many of whom they don't really know at all.

Yeah I agree. Omg I have like 200 and something friends on it.. couldn't care if anyone deletes me though! A few years ago I used to be like.. with friends.. "aww please tell juicy gossip" and I really wanted to know people's secrets and sh!t but now.. I just don't give a sh!t and can't stand using bastards. There is only my friend and bf who give and take with me.. the only ones I know care for me.. pick me up in their car.. etc.. sum1 who I hardly know wanted a lift home but I know they don't like me.. so I had a go and said NO! There is only a few people in my life I would be sad if they were gone.. my friend, bf, and my mum and dad, suppose my grandparents too.. it is true.. you can choose your friends but not your family! lol. Well I have other friends too.. but it seems more like aquaintances because I don't like getting too close with many people.

Anyway yeah Facefake.. I only pop on.. now and again to see if I have got anything but it is a load of sh!te.

I like to come on here because I am a fan of BB.. and no one who I really know watches it.. so.. I thought.. well this is a nice site.. usually.. lol just to talk to randomers about the show and other shizz :)

[Patrick]

You should tell us what it is first. I cant be arsed googling it.


I have it.

I don't have time to explain it all because I have to go watch Eastenders but basically you find it really hard in social situations and your social skills is quite bad and other stuff such as knowing alot about something you aren't actually focussed on, one minute you may be very focussed on one thing and then not care about it the next.
A big part of it is you act quite awkward in social situations with other people.

[Beastie]

I have it.

I don't have time to explain it all because I have to go watch Eastenders but basically you find it really hard in social situations and your social skills is quite bad and other stuff such as knowing alot about something you aren't actually focussed on, one minute you may be very focussed on one thing and then not care about it the next.
A big part of it is you act quite awkward in social situations with other people.

Yeah in a nutshell I would say I am like this.

[Alpertinator]

Patrick explained it very well.

It's more of a hinderance than a help. I mean I know about the focussed thing I know $hit loads about the film industry, films of many different generations. Watched hundreds of films, am familiar with hundreds of actors I know about how films did in the awards and the years they came out and stuff.

Similar with other things, like football, I can remember so much information about the history of the British football leagues and the history of the world cup and stuff, not even sure how I do it I find it easy. Unfortunately I could never remember anything maths related... (I have some issue with maths in which... basically I can't understand it like it's a different language... similar for Science... well Science is like Italian for me I understand it a little bit but not enough to get by haha).

Well... here's the thing, if I'm not interested in something, and especially if I have no angle (nothing in it for me/I see no purpose in doing it/I don't understand why it's important to me) then I simply can't learn about it. Needless to say I didn't do well in school. I only did well in two subjects - Literacy and Food technology... I'm kinda' like Nathan when it comes to cooking.

[bigbrothermfer]

yes he does have that or autism

[Alpertinator]

I don't think he appears to be autistic really.

You know he might not have asbergers' he may actually have intense paranoia issues, or ADHD or maybe errr... bi-polar personality is it... damn I forget what it is but basically it means manic depressive I believe... I don't like that term though I think it's misleading. I think they call it bi-polar...

[Patrick]

I don't think he appears to be autistic really.

You know he might not have asbergers' he may actually have intense paranoia issues, or ADHD or maybe errr... bi-polar personality is it... damn I forget what it is but basically it means manic depressive I believe... I don't like that term though I think it's misleading. I think they call it bi-polar...

Bi-Polar Disorder.

[Alpertinator]

That's it thanks.

Basically I think there's a whole array of issues/disorders whatever that JJ could be suffering from. Doesn't have to be asbergers', but he shows traits of it.

[Zippy]

No way. I have a friend who has it and she gets frightened around new people/certain situations. John James is a confident person who will take anyone on in any argument.

Unless theyre a masculine male.

[BB_Eye]

Not any way, shape or form. People with Asperger's are normally shy, hermetic and naive and would have severe difficulty coping in a house full of nutters. They are also eccentric and idiosyncratic.

Now look at John James. He is the personification of boring, braindead conformity.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder describes him perfectly though...

[Angus]

Bit of a strong diagnosis there Dr Angus lol. I do see him as very emotionally immature though.


I was married to a BPD sufferer for over 12 years so I recognise a lot of the symptoms. It is not unusual for many people to suffer with BPD and not be aware of it.

JJ's severe trust issues in particular are a dead giveaway: He admits he records telephone conversations, keeps all emails and letters "for evidence" and checks timetables to ensure that people are telling him the truth. He made a strong attachment to one person (Josie) very quickly in the house and she serves as his "security blanket". That is why if he felt she betrayed him (like over the crab eyes incident) he over-reacted because it was an issue of trust for him to find she had lied.

His constant arguments are a way of channelling his inner aggression into a more socially accepted interaction, but he has difficulty in accepting other people's versions of events, and will often convince himself he is right when he is not. He can be turned off a person just by a look or a gesture (Rachael), and will be relentless in his pursuit of a point, however misguided.

I think he has some of the symptoms in different degrees of severity, and I would not give much hope to anyone getting invovled in a long term relationship with this guy.

[Angus]

Doesn't mean BPD really though. His issues probably stem from his Dad dying and the fact he had to quit wor to comfort his mum. He definitely has a lot going on up there though. Could do with a Psychiatrist.


BPD sufferers have abnormal fears of abandonment, and the death of JJ's father could be viewed by him in this light. Unfortunately BPD sufferers will often not recognise that they have any problems whatsoevers and because of their inability to acknowledge their illness they are usually unresponsive to treatments.