It is time for the Health and Safety Execuitve to investigate C4 / Endemol

[Sticks]

For the record, I am neither a Keely fan or hater

I am 100% neutral on that aspect.

That said a contestant has been hospitalised by a task they were instructed to do.

I may be wrong on this, but for legal purposes housemates in the house are classed as employees

This means that Keely was injured at her place of work

With any other industrial accident the Health and Safety Executive would be informed and possibly carry out an investigation.

It is time that Endemol and Channel Four were investigated by the Health and Safety executive over this flagrant breach of a duty of care.

:mad:

[Sticks]

Newspaper article (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1296566/Big-Brother-2010-Housemate-Keeley-needs-operation-broken-ankle-quit-show.html)

[Jack_]

Unless we want duller and easier tasks, then absolutely not.

[Miss Ivy Balls]

Jack the task was dull anyway. I can't really see it getting much more boring that trying to run up a fabricated wall.

[Jack_]

I forgot to add 'duller than they already are'.

[Malza]

Hey, they did a much better job then in German BB8, the poor housemate was almost beheaded (watch the slowmotion at the end)

That much about safety first at Endemol productions

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[Sticks]

Unless we want duller and easier tasks, then absolutely not.

Er someone has been injured here?

If they are classed as employees, are they not duty bound to report this to the HSE?

I have now raised this on the online form on the HSE website (http://www.hse.gov.uk/index.htm)

[Jamietwo]

no way..... life involves a reasonable amount of risk....i hate all this nannying health and saftey litigation nonsense.

[_Seth]

Unless we want duller and easier tasks, then absolutely not.

To be fair, that half pipe thing looked like it was only designed for two people. Seriously, it didn't look like it was designed for more. Keeley was in the middle and got hit by Corin. =/

[Sticks]

This is not a bruised ego, this is a fracture requiring hospitalisation

[wilful_woodpecker]

I am sure they sign a disclaimer

all the tasks are tested out prior to being used; and accidents happen

[Sticks]

Even if they did take all due care, my understanding of the law if there is an industrial accident is that the HSE are duty bound to investigate, even if it ends up clearing the employers of any negligence.

[billy123]

Er someone has been injured here?

If they are classed as employees, are they not duty bound to report this to the HSE?

I have now raised this on the online form on the HSE website (http://www.hse.gov.uk/index.htm)

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[_Seth]

Even if they did take all due care, my understanding of the law if there is an industrial accident is that the HSE are duty bound to investigate, even if it ends up clearing the employers of any negligence.

Well I think you're right about them being classed as employees because they do actually get paid £200 a week (for bills/rent). But then again, they could have refused to do the task and they'd still get the money, but then again, they HAD to do the task to be in with a chance to stay entitled to that £200...

[billy123]

DS is full of these threads by trolls saying they have reported the incident just so they get the resulting its people like you bla blah....angry replies :sleep::sleep::sleep:

[JustKaz]

I am sure they sign a disclaimer

all the tasks are tested out prior to being used; and accidents happen

This possibly

However when they started the task I did think it looked tight squeeze all doing it together ( and the outfits were not reallt a good design for task

[Lex]

For the record, I am neither a Keely fan or hater

I am 100% neutral on that aspect.

That said a contestant has been hospitalised by a task they were instructed to do.

I may be wrong on this, but for legal purposes housemates in the house are classed as employees

This means that Keely was injured at her place of work

With any other industrial accident the Health and Safety Executive would be informed and possibly carry out an investigation.

It is time that Endemol and Channel Four were investigated by the Health and Safety executive over this flagrant breach of a duty of care.

:mad:

What a load of rubbish!!

It was a freak accident that could have happened to anybody at anytime!

They were'nt forced to walk a 50ft high tight -rope!....Kids do this kind of thing everyday in my local park!!:sleep:

[janaddy86]

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[Sticks]

Even if it is a freak accident it should still be investigated, if only to establish that there was no way it could have been predicted or prevented.

I have been on this board for a while, so if I say I have reported it, I have. Ask James about my record here.

If you go to that link I gave and find the contact us, you will find the online contact form.

I used that.

If they send a reply, I will be posting it here

[Jamietwo]

Even if it is a freak accident it should still be investigated, if only to establish that there was no way it could have been predicted or prevented.

I have been on this board for a while, so if I say I have reported it, I have. Ask James about my record here.

If you go to that link I gave and find the contact us, you will find the online contact form.

I used that.

If they send a reply, I will be posting it here

good morning sticks! this is clearly very important to you. I'm sure everything is covered by insurance and that the production team are balls deep in health and saftey and all manner of laws and procedures as everything is these days. I'm sure you will get a reply reassuring you of all that.

[Jords]

Unless we want duller and easier tasks, then absolutely not.

Tbh the task was poor itself...

[Shasown]

For the record, I am neither a Keely fan or hater

I am 100% neutral on that aspect.

That said a contestant has been hospitalised by a task they were instructed to do.

I may be wrong on this, but for legal purposes housemates in the house are classed as employees

This means that Keely was injured at her place of work

With any other industrial accident the Health and Safety Executive would be informed and possibly carry out an investigation.

It is time that Endemol and Channel Four were investigated by the Health and Safety executive over this flagrant breach of a duty of care.

:mad:

Yes Sticks, they do have to follow HSE procedures. Not only because technically Keeley was an employeee at the time of the accident but also because she attended hospital due to having been involved in an accident. I notice you do say possibly carry out an investigation, that shouldnt be too difficult though given that it was being filmed.

I should imagine that the production team have a H&S advisor to ensure they dont find themselves up in court.

Given that a fatality didnt occur, it would go well down the list of HSE priorities though, dont you think? It isnt as if everything has to stay as it was till the investigator has been in and examined the scene is it? Slips trips and falls are the biggest single cause of industrial accidents.

I really cant see anything coming from it but you never know. The investigation could be something as simple as someone at the ICC desk reading the accident reports, yours, Endemols and the hospital reports (because hospital authorities have to report to the HSE as well) and seeing that reasonable steps were taken to ensure the contestants understood the nature of the task, the equipment in use was safe and fit for task and heres the important bit though if the accident was avoidable what steps will be taken to prevent a re occurence of this nature.

Could I just say well done on ensuring that it was reported. Everyone has a duty of care under Health and Safety at Work and its good to someone being so public spirited to take the time to fill out a report on the behalf of others. I look forward to reading your reply from the H&SE.

[Sticks]

From This thread (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3538158)

haha no unfortunately for the drama seekers out there it doesnt quite work like that bb or c4 wont be arsed either way if and its a huge if there is any compensation to pay they dont pay it the insurance company has to pay her not big brother they wont give two hoots either way it doesnt cost bb or c4 a penny thats what insurance is for ;)
not 1 single penny but that doesnt fit with the drama queens that watch bb so it gets turned into a fake drama :joker::joker:

I am not really interested in seeing any compensation claim at this point, but a possible prosecution by the HSE should they find evidence of negligence on the part of the production company. :mad:

[fuzzylovin]

They are always tried out to make sure they are safe for the housemates, but i dont think it was big enough for the 3 of them and thats why she ended up been hurt.

[arista]

For the record, I am neither a Keely fan or hater

I am 100% neutral on that aspect.

That said a contestant has been hospitalised by a task they were instructed to do.

I may be wrong on this, but for legal purposes housemates in the house are classed as employees

This means that Keely was injured at her place of work

With any other industrial accident the Health and Safety Executive would be informed and possibly carry out an investigation.

It is time that Endemol and Channel Four were investigated by the Health and Safety executive over this flagrant breach of a duty of care.

:mad:


No.


she did not have to keep at it

[Sticks]

I have got what they call in the trade as a holding reply as they transfer my email to another department.

Dear Mr Stickings,
Thank you for your enquiry regarding whether HSE will be investigating an accident from Big Brother.

Infoline is unable to respond to your enquiry as it requires a specialist response. Therefore it has been forwarded for reply to:

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Health and Safety Executive
AW House
6-8 Stuart St
Luton
LU1 2SL
Tel - Redacted

If you require to contact HSE again regarding this enquiry please quote the reference number above.
I hope this helps, but if you require further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact this address again or telephone HSE Infoline on 08453 450055.

Yours sincerely

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HSE Infoline

Should I get a further reply, I will keep you posted.

No some have talked about Keely suing the production company. That is for her and her legal team to decide, I am more interested in whether an offence was commited under health and safety legislation.

[Livia]

It was an accident. You can't legislate for wank-footed clumsiness. The Health and Safety Executive are the bloody scourge of the country.

[Sticks]

But sometimes an accident can be caused by negligence

It is up to the HSE to see if that was the case in this instance

[Livia]

I hope they don't give this piority, considering some of the serious stuff the H&SE have to deal with.

[Sticks]

This is the interim answer I have received

The accident has been reported to HSE by Endemol.
It has not been selected for investigation, because it does not meet our normal criteria.

I have put in a reply

Thank's for your reply

Out of interest what are normal criteria for an investigation and how did this not meet those criteria

Sorry to be a pain about this, but it was being discussed on one internet forum I post on, with some claiming the task was designed for two people not three, and it would be an intersting insight for those on the forum into how these things actually proceed on the official level rather than going on hearsay

This is the reply

Our selection criteria are based on:
the severity of the injury (eg fracture, multiple fractures, taken to hospital);
the type of accident (fall from height, trip/slip, run over by vehicle etc);
or whether the accident gives rise to concern.

The full criteria are on our website http://www.hse.gov.uk/enforce/incidselcrits.pdf

Looking at the criteria given, one can see why this will not result in a HSE investigation and also that means this will not enter the arena of any criminal prosecution. Whether there is a civil claim or an insurance claim is another matter.

[billy123]

absolutely pathetic sticks get a life.