Poor Dave gets the Worst BB Editing EVER!!! [Archive] - ThisisBigBrother.com

WOMBAI

22-07-2010, 06:51 AM

I've been watching the BB streams for the last couple of weeks, and Dave is the life and soul of that place. He's a genuinely warm and good-hearted guy, having lots of harmless fun...keeping everyone entertained. Then when they assemble the HL shows they're desperately attempting to paint him in a bad light at any given scenario!

C'mon BB Producers, you're a fcking DISGRACE you should be ashamed of yourselves!!! :nono:

Have liked him from the start - interesting and funny guy! More and more people are beginning to see that - despite all the attempts of many Josie lovers who have done their best to discredit him by posting all those silly videos of him and his 'sloshfests'! The 'hate' coming from them has been unbelieveable! Go Dave! :hugesmile:

-Sue-

22-07-2010, 06:59 AM

Terrible HM .. be glad to see his sorry azz leave the house.. no doubt his 'drunk on the lord' club will turn up on eviction night with his custome made straight jacket with crucafix buckles and welcome him back into gods armpit...

WOMBAI

22-07-2010, 07:07 AM

-Sue-

22-07-2010, 07:11 AM

Talking of straight jackets - suddenly Josie's name comes to mind - can't imagine why! :joker:
LOL you just can't help it can you :p you luvvvvvvvvvvv Josie sooo much you cant go 1 post without bringing her up.. :joker:

aww Josie would have a great straight jacket black with custom made light sabre buckels lol... (or maybe thats my fave jacket who knows lol) :joker:

shaz20

22-07-2010, 07:11 AM

When Dave isn't preaching and talking about angels pulling his legs, going to the sun, healing people with cancer and all the other miracles his friends and people he knows, have done and seen, he is sensible , funny and quite a good housemate. Unfortunately he has put a lot of people off with his rantings.

-Sue-

22-07-2010, 07:13 AM

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 07:14 AM

WOMBAI

22-07-2010, 07:18 AM

LOL you just can't help it can you :p you luvvvvvvvvvvv Josie sooo much you cant go 1 post without bringing her up.. :joker:

aww Josie would have a great straight jacket black with custom made light sabre buckels lol... (or maybe thats my fave jacket who knows lol) :joker:

I'd love her to go asap! Really can't stand listening to her accent, her bitching or her self-pity any more! Out with her, PLEASE! :joker:

-Sue-

22-07-2010, 07:19 AM

Serious question. Do you honestly watch the Live Feeds?

I do indeed...yes Ive seen him b*tch in the nest & bedroom & kitchen & garden just like all the HMs but.. in everything he says it includes 'the lord' or 'god' or other comments relating to religion and its getting old soooo fast...

he claims to love everyone.. yet betrays them at any given opportunity he talks the talk ' i love everyone .. of course I would never say that I would always say it to your face' yet continues to diss people at any given opportunity!!!

.. the darkside has him in its grasp and may it carry him away never to be seen again.. I wonder if dark mario and darkside dave would make a good couple???:joker:

-Sue-

22-07-2010, 07:21 AM

I'd love her to go asap! Really can't stand listening to her accent, her bitching or her self-pity any more! Out with her, PLEASE! :joker:

Dave out 1st please... *whistles summons Dave a cab*:joker:

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 07:26 AM

I do indeed...yes Ive seen him b*tch in the nest & bedroom & kitchen & garden just like all the HMs but.. in everything he says it includes 'the lord' or 'god' or other comments relating to religion and its getting old soooo fast...

That's BS...he has HEAPS of conversations where he doesn't talk about religion or the Lord.

.. the darkside has him in its grasp and may it carry him away never to be seen again.. I wonder if dark mario and darkside dave would make a good couple???:joker:

That's just silly and immature. How old are you? 12?

ElProximo

22-07-2010, 07:27 AM

Thought it was bang out of order showing Dave in the toilet with Andrew...they don't show other housemates half-naked in private.

That surprised me as well and seemed very inappropriate. The OP is right and I got the sense they 'bent the rule' in some lame attempt to show David being a 'hypocriiiiiiite' for the type of viewers who crave it?

Notice my banner is showing an increasingly unlikely prediction. C4 is not beat yet though.. and David is not finished yet,
but,
so far, the idea of using David as a 'shame the church' icon has failed or even 'backfired' on them.

But yeah.. they are trying hard to paint him in the worst light and just forcing any 'hypocrite' scenario to the point it does come off as desperate.

-Sue-

22-07-2010, 07:32 AM

That's BS...he has HEAPS of conversations where he doesn't talk about religion or the Lord.

That's just silly and immature. How old are you? 12?

calmness fellow FM..personal digs will not be tolerated .. just because I do not agree with your opinion.. doesnt mean you have a right to try to belittle me... :pat:

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 07:35 AM

I'm in Australia and haven't watched any UK Media or Big Mouth/Little Brother... is Dave getting bashed there as well?

fingers

22-07-2010, 07:48 AM

fingers

22-07-2010, 07:50 AM

"St. Dave" in full flow!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utyQLbtlv8U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApPk51wI0&feature=related

WOMBAI

22-07-2010, 07:53 AM

"St. Dave" in full flow!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utyQLbtlv8U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApPk51wI0&feature=related

Here we go again! :sleep:

-Sue-

22-07-2010, 07:53 AM

"St. Dave" in full flow!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utyQLbtlv8U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApPk51wI0&feature=related
LOL ive seen some of his sloshfest BS.. he's a friggin loon... OI DAVE YOU OFF MY PLANET LOL

If I give Dave a penny for his thoughts I want change ok... :joker:

-Sue-

22-07-2010, 07:54 AM

Here we go again! :sleep:

well post it online.. (eg sloshfest loons on a 'drunk on the lords love' ) the ridicule will come lol:joker::joker:

Colbert-Bump

22-07-2010, 07:57 AM

There shouldn't be any alcohol on the shopping list because they can get drunk on the lord instead.

ElProximo

22-07-2010, 07:58 AM

This is the kind of rubbish that some Fms don't want published here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A2dxPH4560&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af82HUus3UA&feature=related

2nd video shows "the life and soul" of the party acting "drunk" as per usual.

Yes, I remember posting those for you back at the beginning of the season. Its disturbing and there are more of those shameful vids and David isn't even near the most offensive among that group.

But the issue here is the BB season and what (pleasantly) surprised me was that David was onto it from the beginning. I won't post the clip but basically he explained to the other HM's that the reason he was picked was solely to be 'drunk out of his mind in the glory' and be a big show for everyone,
but,
he says he wouldn't be 'himself'. (now we might agree he IS being himself by NOT getting into ecstatic states)

So what happened was - for the most part - he has mostly been staying out of that nonsense,
and,
consequently showing himself quite a nice normal, good-humoured guy who mostly likes to cheer others up and try and be reasonable,
which has...
...led to BB near desperately editing away to try and push these immature antichristian propaganda angles:
homophobic
hypocrite about homophobia
nudity prude,
hypocrite about nudity
forgiving,
hypocrite about forgiving etc etc

David is NOT perfect either so eventually you CAN 'gotcha' him I suppose but for the most part BB edit/directors are really stretching to the point of looking foolish themselves.
The OP caught on and pointed that out and I agree.

**btw.. IF David does slip into his bizarre cult ecstasy nonsense I will NOT blame BB for taking full advantage of showing what really is shameful behavior. I will also be able to say "i told you so",
but,
for the most part (overall) he hasn't done that.

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 08:04 AM

"St. Dave" in full flow!

"fingers" your contributions are NOT on topic, this conversation is about how he has been portrayed INSIDE THE BB HOUSE

fingers

22-07-2010, 08:06 AM

"fingers" your contributions are NOT on topic, this conversation is about how he has been portrayed INSIDE THE BB HOUSE

Which is a totally fake persona, as you are well aware!:nono:

In order to judge a person's character one must know ALL the facts about said character, have you never heard judges calling for "background reports" before passing sentence. Just the facts, ma'am!! lol

WOMBAI

22-07-2010, 08:11 AM

well post it online.. (eg sloshfest loons on a 'drunk on the lords love' ) the ridicule will come lol:joker::joker:

You're behind the times - it has been and gone! :joker:

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 08:11 AM

Which is a totally fake persona, as you are well aware!:nono:

This conversation is about the BB editing, i don't follow your point...please explain further if you have a contribution to make.

Kazanne

22-07-2010, 08:14 AM

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 08:16 AM

In order to judge a person's character one must know ALL the facts about said character, have you never heard judges calling for "background reports" before passing sentence. Just the facts, ma'am!! lol

But to REPEAT this has nothing to do with the HL show daily editing.

WOMBAI

22-07-2010, 08:17 AM

"fingers" your contributions are NOT on topic, this conversation is about how he has been portrayed INSIDE THE BB HOUSE

Fingers has a real hate campaign going against Dave - he is absolutely obsessed with Dave's involvement with his religious group outside the house. He will not let it go - and has posted loads of those videos, but as Dave is very open about his religious beliefs - his 'efforts' are all pretty pointless really!

Kazanne

22-07-2010, 08:21 AM

Fingers has a real hate campaign going against Dave - he is absolutely obsessed with Dave's involvement with his religious group outside the house. He will not let it go - and has posted loads of those videos, but as Dave is very open about his religious beliefs - his 'efforts' are all pretty pointless really!

Yes that person is the same with Ben,I suggest you use that ignore button:xyxwave:

fruit_cake

22-07-2010, 08:24 AM

i can't stand the vile man. He complains about Caoimhe running around without a bra and he's walking around all the time with nothing on. Do as i say, not as i do.

He's an intolerant bigot who hides behind religion to make it seem as if he were a moral person

-Sue-

22-07-2010, 08:25 AM

You're behind the times - it has been and gone! :joker:

why am I behind the times?Im well aware the vids have been seen by most????

WOMBAI

22-07-2010, 08:28 AM

why am I behind the times?Im well aware the vids have been seen by most????

All the hate for Dave - that has eased and more people are beginning to judge him as a hm and not on his religious views - and liking him more!

stoney

22-07-2010, 08:28 AM

Which is a totally fake persona, as you are well aware!:nono:

In order to judge a person's character one must know ALL the facts about said character, have you never heard judges calling for "background reports" before passing sentence. Just the facts, ma'am!! lol

and where are all your utubes and research of all the other fakers then fingers:conf:

_Seth

22-07-2010, 08:30 AM

I don't see how anyone can like that homophobic ****...

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 08:31 AM

he needs to stop being so disrespectful at night time,he soon moans when he gets no sleep but is not bothered about others.

Nobody's here arguing that he's a "perfect" person, but have you yourself watched enough of the live feed to make a fair and balanced overview of his full personality vs his HL show portrayal?

ElProximo

22-07-2010, 08:38 AM

I don't see how anyone can like that homophobic ****...

Well he is definitely not homophobic but they definitely seem to be trying to find some 'angle' on that to get the dysfunctional youth demographic all excited to pay/vote.

-Sue-

22-07-2010, 08:39 AM

All the hate for Dave - that has eased and more people are beginning to judge him as a hm and not on his religious views - and liking him more!
But the problem is he brings his views into the house... when the new HMs came in we had yet aother 'dave recruitment speeches' that is why I dislike him.. too much god speak not enough down to earth humour...

God speak is enough to put me off him as a HM...

fruit_cake

22-07-2010, 08:39 AM

horrible man

-Sue-

22-07-2010, 08:41 AM

his views on gay marriage which he hides behinds his religion on.. he loves all.. but doesnt/wouldnt marry 2 gay people.. views are outdated and out of touch in a changing world surely if he loves everyone he would be more accepting of EVERYONE...which he clearly is not.

stoney

22-07-2010, 08:42 AM

I don't see how anyone can like that homophobic ****...

thats cos there aint one of them in there tho:nono:

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 08:48 AM

Well he is definitely not homophobic but they definitely seem to be trying to find some 'angle' on that to get the dysfunctional youth demographic all excited to pay/vote.

I don't know much about the UK BB watching/voting demographic...but here in Australia BB was extremely popular with the gay community. Maybe they want them riled in anger against him as a "hate/villain character" or something...just guessing

-Sue-

22-07-2010, 08:49 AM

The 38-year-old from nearby Pontypool is a former drug-user who makes no apologies for painting God as a party animal who wants to win over youngsters with supernatural highs.

Bizarrely, David greets me at the door wearing a monk outfit – he is joined by dozens of dancing pirates, an Abraham Lincoln, a unicorn, winged fairy and a court jester draped in Christmas lights.

After leading me to a quiet room away from the madness, David says: “This behaviour and message is bringing liberation to a world that doesn’t want Christianity as it has been.
“People are looking for something relevant to them. If you like to party, drink and take drugs, our advice is, ‘Don’t drink Vodka, drink God-ka’.

“There is no greater high than the Most High. When you come into God’s presence there is an intoxication that is overwhelming.

“It is filled with life and brings you to another level of joy unspeakable, liberating you from fears and inhibitions you find in the world. It is a blissful sense of liberty.

“This isn’t offensive to the Lord, but it is to the religious folk who attend a dead organisation.

“Heaven is going to be wild. God will show up and be the life of the party. We want to see fun coming back into the Church.”

Christians who claim to get high on the Holy Spirit and drunk on Heaven’s wine have caused outrage in the USA.

Dozens of complaints about blasphemy have been posted on YouTube videos of the movement’s best-known advocate, John Crowder.

The former alcoholic, whose fans are dubbed “Crowderites”, is at Sloshfest and typically slurs through sermons about “smoking the Baby Jesus”, being “whacked out” and “tokin’ on the Holy Ghost”.

Event organiser David reveals God guided him to establish Emerge Wales, the group behind Sloshfest, which calls itself “A rising supernatural movement in the UK who are burning for Jesus”.

...words of a sane man? I think not...:xyxwave:

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 08:55 AM

The 38-year-old from nearby Pontypool is a former drug-user who makes no apologies for painting God as a party animal who wants to win over youngsters with supernatural highs....................

C'mon FireTwilight, either make some enlightening comments on the subject of Dave's EDITING, or move to a different topic, your propaganda is unwarranted.

fingers

22-07-2010, 08:55 AM

Oh he's sane alright, sane enough to covet that £100,000 prize at the end - that will keep St. Dave and his family in the style to which they have become accustomed.

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 08:57 AM

Oh he's sane alright, sane enough to covet that £100,000 prize at the end - that will keep St. Dave and his family in the style to which they have become accustomed.

Please comment on Dave's editing. THANKYOU

ElProximo

22-07-2010, 09:02 AM

I don't know much about the UK BB watching/voting demographic...but here in Australia BB was extremely popular with the gay community. Maybe they want them riled in anger against him as a "hate/villain character" or something...just guessing

Yep, same in the UK where the real devoted 'hardcore audience' is made up of not just gays but also that type of youth who 'identify' strongly with that subculture/scene.
Yes, I think the explanation is fairly simple - they want to catch David saying something about homosexuality being a sin or wrong etc.. then (if possible) show him up as a 'hypocrite' or whatnot,
and,
watch the phone votes just go over-the-top with zealous 'gay rights defense' mega multi-voting from that 'core' audience.

The problem is that David is not 'homophobic' and has a fairly moderate and empathetic view on this issue and even the editing and BBLB comments on come across as 'desperate'.

Maybe if David came across more as a 'parent' to this audience? Then they could stir up more hate I think.

WOMBAI

22-07-2010, 09:02 AM

22-07-2010, 09:04 AM

Are we talking about the hypocrite, Dave, who is embarrassed by seeing up womens' skirts and seeing them wearing wet shirts, who finds it funny when Mario pulls his pants down.

I agree with FireTwilight about his bitching and he takes every opportunity to make sly jibes about his "friend" Ben in front of anyone he can.

I'll be glad to see the back of him

-Sue-

22-07-2010, 09:07 AM

Fingers No.2! :sleep:

oh behave ..I have opinions that match certain FMs doesnt make me a sidekick.. it just means great minds think alike :joker:

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 09:18 AM

Yep, same in the UK where the real devoted 'hardcore audience' is made up of not just gays but also that type of youth who 'identify' strongly with that subculture/scene.
Yes, I think the explanation is fairly simple - they want to catch David saying something about homosexuality being a sin or wrong etc.. then (if possible) show him up as a 'hypocrite' or whatnot,
and,
watch the phone votes just go over-the-top with zealous 'gay rights defense' mega multi-voting from that 'core' audience.

The problem is that David is not 'homophobic' and has a fairly moderate and empathetic view on this issue and even the editing and BBLB comments on come across as 'desperate'.

Maybe if David came across more as a 'parent' to this audience? Then they could stir up more hate I think.

Thanks very much for clearing that up.

fingers

22-07-2010, 09:19 AM

Please comment on Dave's editing. THANKYOU

It is high time the producers started portraying St. Dave for what he is - a hypocritical recruiter of new blood for his own invented cult. The producers put him in the house for a laugh and it has backfired big-time. where they thought he was going to parade around every day in his monk's costume he ditched it after day 1. where they thought he'd be an hysterical laughing stock with his "drunk on the Bible" act, he also ditched that fairly soon. He is now putting on the act of being the jovial, caring soul from the Welsh Mountains and beginning to con the public with this act, so much so, that he might even be a dangerous rival to their own favourite to win, - Lord Ben The Vain, of the fake Sloane Square accent!

Their only hope of preventing St. Dave from beating them at their own game is to finally show him as the fake figure of ridicule that he really is.

Blueisthecolour

22-07-2010, 09:21 AM

Thought it was bang out of order showing Dave in the toilet with Andrew...they don't show other housemates half-naked in private.

Yeah but in fairness Dave then stood in the middle of the bedroom and dropped his trousers so he could show everyone his arse.

He moans about women showing a bit of boob or wearing shorts skirts, but feels free to get his own backside on show.

ElProximo

22-07-2010, 09:22 AM

Are we talking about the hypocrite, Dave, who is embarrassed by seeing up womens' skirts and seeing them wearing wet shirts, who finds it funny when Mario pulls his pants down.

There is nothing 'hypocrite' about it.
He DOES believe it is acceptable for men to be naked amongst each other.
He DOES NOT believe that women should be naked among men.
He then carries on according to that belief system.

You may be the rare person on earth who disagrees with his ideas on this,
BUT,
In fact, he is consistent with his said belief system.

I would also add that 'hypocrite' implies 'acting' and is not the same idea as someone making a mistake or 'genuinely' having some inconsistent behavior/claims,
but,
that is another story.

In this case David hasn't been 'hypocritical' although he ought not have been flashing the room when Josie was in there (which he doesn't see as sexual),
but,
I did notice he believed she was facing away and not seeing it.
*but again, he does not believe there is sexual issues. This is what 'his reasoning' supposes.
No hypocrisy.

Believe me.. i will be happy to agree if and when ACTUAL Hypocrisy shows up,
but,
no, its not here.

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 09:25 AM

It is high time the producers started portraying St. Dave for what he is - a hypocritical recruiter of new blood for his own invented cult. The producers put him in the house for a laugh and it has backfired big-time. where they thought he was going to parade around every day in his monk's costume he ditched it after day 1. where they thought he'd be an hysterical laughing stock with his "drunk on the Bible" act, he also ditched that fairly soon. He is now putting on the act of being the jovial, caring soul from the Welsh Mountains and beginning to con the public with this act, so much so, that he might even be a dangerous rival to their own favourite to win, - Lord Ben The Vain, of the fake Sloane Square accent!

Their only hope of preventing St. Dave from beating them at their own game is to finally show him as the fake figure of ridicule that he really is.

OK, let's get past your obvious anger toward him for a second, and disregard possible reasons why he was put in the house. Do you believe he is getting a GOOD or BAD Edit on the HL Show? An honest answer please.

fruit_cake

22-07-2010, 09:26 AM

There is nothing 'hypocrite' about it.
He DOES believe it is acceptable for men to be naked amongst each other.
He DOES NOT believe that women should be naked among men.
He then carries on according to that belief system.

yes in other words he's a misogynist pig with double standards that only he is allowed to dictate!!

fingers

22-07-2010, 09:27 AM

OK, let's get past your obvious anger toward him for a second, and disregard possible reasons why he was put in the house. Do you believe he is getting a GOOD or BAD Edit on the HL Show? An honest answer please.

You asked for an ON TOPIC reply, I gave it!:elephant::dance::elephant:

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 09:29 AM

You asked for an ON TOPIC reply, I gave it!:elephant::dance::elephant:

Yes, and mine is a ON TOPIC question. Do you believe he is getting a GOOD or BAD Edit on the HL Show?

DrunkerThanMoses

22-07-2010, 09:31 AM

They do it to them all, editing is bad for all of them, the olny one who seems to get good editing is Ben and Josie (but finally their showing their bitchy sides)

-Sue-

22-07-2010, 09:33 AM

Yes, and mine is a ON TOPIC question. Do you believe he is getting a GOOD or BAD Edit on the HL Show?
would you two please get a room lol:joker:

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 09:35 AM

I'll extend my offer to you FireTwilight.

Do you believe Dave is getting a GOOD or BAD Edit on the HL Show?

-Sue-

22-07-2010, 09:39 AM

I'll extend my offer to you FireTwilight.

Do you believe Dave is getting a GOOD or BAD Edit on the HL Show?

I have answered your thread and stated my opinion.. its a 1 hour BB show not the Dave show.. if he does nothing of course there won't be much HL action... which proves he truly is just a boring repetative HM

Maybe if he had done something fun or worthy of more HL feed im sure it would be shown.. but BB only have a 1hour show not 24 hours ...so it doesnt really matter TBH

ElProximo

22-07-2010, 09:39 AM

yes in other words he's a misogynist pig with double standards that only he is allowed to dictate!!

No.
He is not allowed to dictate them. He can argue it for himself and try and persuade others but nowhere does he 'dictate' them.

Now, it turns out he doesn't have to persuade many people as almost everyone agrees with him.
I suspect you actually 'say' one thing about this and apply it selectively to David - yet - in your daily practice you do something differently and don't hold others accountable?
Laws in this country say that a man CAN be naked in a men's changeroom yet he CANNOT walk naked into a womans change room.
A woman cannot strip naked in public.
Men and women have different toilets - government rules too.

So you try and decide how YOU apply different standards or claim to be opposed to this in 'one instance' but not another?
Answer for that?

-Sue-

22-07-2010, 09:41 AM

Dave wanted Mario to get nekkid for a laugh but then preaches of not wanting to see boobage? that is a double standard which is Dave all over...

fruit_cake

22-07-2010, 09:44 AM

No.
He is not allowed to dictate them. He can argue it for himself and try and persuade others but nowhere does he 'dictate' them.

Now, it turns out he doesn't have to persuade many people as almost everyone agrees with him.
I suspect you actually 'say' one thing about this and apply it selectively to David - yet - in your daily practice you do something differently and don't hold others accountable?
Laws in this country say that a man CAN be naked in a men's changeroom yet he CANNOT walk naked into a womans change room.
A woman cannot strip naked in public.
Men and women have different toilets - government rules too.

So you try and decide how YOU apply different standards or claim to be opposed to this in 'one instance' but not another?
Answer for that?

i don't know what you mean when Caoimhe questioned him instead of answering her he pushed her away and then was the ring leader of the anti-caoimhe bullies because she dared question him. Hes a woman hating pig in my book and he reminds me of my pig of a boss too

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 09:46 AM

I have answered your thread and stated my opinion..

I'm only asking for a simple one word answer.

Do you believe he is getting a GOOD or BAD Edit on the HL Show?

Be honest please.

Livia

22-07-2010, 09:48 AM

The 38-year-old from nearby Pontypool is a former drug-user who makes no apologies for painting God as a party animal who wants to win over youngsters with supernatural highs.... etc. etc. etc.

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If you can't express your opinion in your own words, at least have the decency to credit the writer.

MrWong

22-07-2010, 09:52 AM

I've been watching the BB streams for the last couple of weeks, and Dave is the life and soul of that place. He's a genuinely warm and good-hearted guy, having lots of harmless fun...keeping everyone entertained. Then when they assemble the HL shows they're desperately attempting to paint him in a bad light at any given scenario!

C'mon BB Producers, you're a fcking DISGRACE you should be ashamed of yourselves!!! :nono:

He's a big fat hypocrite.

Nominating women for daring to bare their flesh, Caoimhe and Rachael, yet encouraging Mario to get his knob out during the Ben/JJ row. Even following Mario to the bedroom to he could get a good skeg.

He's been very lucky in the edit too with hardly any of his bitching with Ben being shown. He must spend atleast half his time putting people down, mostly the woman too.

It would be very easy to paint that disgrace in a bad light.

karezza

22-07-2010, 09:53 AM

You have to watch the live feed to appreciate how funny Dave is - the producers don't want him in the final.

-Sue-

22-07-2010, 09:54 AM

I'm only asking for a simple one word answer.

Do you believe he is getting a GOOD or BAD Edit on the HL Show?

Be honest please.

and I repeat I have stated my opinion just as its not what you want to hear not my fault.. I don't see you asking other posters in here for a yes / no answer

You know what they say .. if you don't like the answer don't ask the question..:joker:

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 10:01 AM

and I repeat I have stated my opinion just as its not what you want to hear not my fault.. I don't see you asking other posters in here for a yes / no answer

You know what they say .. if you don't like the answer don't ask the question..:joker:

Let's get this straight, you and "Fingers" came on this thread spreading "OFF TOPIC" propaganda and irrelevant hate filled comments.

All i'm asking is for an ON TOPIC response to my question :

Do you believe Dave is getting a GOOD or BAD Edit on the HL Show?

joeysteele

22-07-2010, 10:03 AM

I don't get DAVE at all, I think he's false actually,never been sure of him,

Peter Plunker

22-07-2010, 10:03 AM

Dave's getting a terrible edit on the Josie and John James show, sorry I mean Big Brother. He's only had one nomination in the last two weeks and that was from the mardy mare herself.

People have a terrible grasp on the English language and throw out words that they don't understand, hypocrite and bitch being the two worst offenders. Talking about someone isn't bitching. I bet you've all talked about your closest friends in the past, is that bitching?

Dave not wanting a semi-nude woman in a bathtub with him is not hypocritical. I wouldn't want it either, I'm a married man. He's confined his semi nudity to the bathroom or male company. This is exactly what society demands, El Proximo hit the nail on the head.

I do understand that I'm wasting my time with my rational thinking as the main draw of BB seems to be that it gives people a guilt free hate fix.

-Sue-

22-07-2010, 10:04 AM

Let's get this straight, you and "Fingers" came on this thread spreading "OFF TOPIC" propaganda and irrelevant hate filled comments.

All i'm asking is for an ON TOPIC response to my question :

Do you believe Dave is getting a GOOD or BAD Edit on the HL Show?

:pat: its all on topic.. its all about Dave.. I talked about HL show in many of my posts.. not my fault if you choose to ingnore them:xyxwave: im not repeating myself to you anymore in here..

fruit_cake

22-07-2010, 10:06 AM

Dave not wanting a semi-nude woman in a bathtub with him is not hypocritical. I wouldn't want it either, I'm a married man. He's confined his semi nudity to the bathroom or male company. This is exactly what society demands, El Proximo hit the nail on the head.

confined it to the bathroom or male company??? what a load of rubbish he's on national TV duh!!!!

hes a hypocritical woman hating pig

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 10:06 AM

:pat: its all on topic.. its all about Dave.. I talked about HL show in many of my posts.. not my fault if you choose to ingnore them:xyxwave: im not repeating myself to you anymore in here..

Why are you so afraid to answer my question?

Do you believe Dave is getting a GOOD or BAD Edit on the HL Show?

Peter Plunker

22-07-2010, 10:10 AM

confined it to the bathroom or male company??? what a load of rubbish he's on national TV duh!!!!

hes a hypocritical woman hating pig

He's a hypocrite? You liked him a few days ago? I also refer you you to the last point I made in my previous post.

I and several others told Dave that they wouldn't show him nude on the TV if he's just going about his business, that should have been true, BB were out of order showing that. There are several points in the day where you have to get naked, BB shouldn't be showing them. What next gratuitous backside wiping shots?

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 10:50 AM

He's been very lucky in the edit too with hardly any of his bitching with Ben being shown.

Wow, do you honestly believe he's had a lucky edit?

I think a fair share of his bitching with Ben has been shown, especially in comparison to the minimal showing of JJ, Josie & Caoimhe 3hr bitchathons last week or two...

Do you watch both the Live Feed and HL show?

He must spend atleast half his time putting people down, mostly the woman too.

I haven't seen that...are you sure you're not misinterpreting his humour?

MrWong

22-07-2010, 10:59 AM

MrWong

22-07-2010, 11:01 AM

Wow, do you honestly believe he's had a lucky edit?

I think a fair share of his bitching with Ben has been shown, especially in comparison to the minimal showing of JJ, Josie & Caoimhe 3hr bitchathons last week or two...

Do you watch both the Live Feed and HL show?

I haven't seen that...are you sure you're not misinterpreting his humour?

I watch both thanks. :xyxwave:

He sits in the vipers nest alot, bitching with Ben. If you haven't seen that then i have to ask, have you watched much of the show?

fruit_cake

22-07-2010, 11:14 AM

i agree with mrwong david is a hypocrit how can you say he asked BB not to show him nude he was flaunting himself obviously in the bedroom and he has the nerve to tell caoimhe she was in the wrong?? what a pig Caoimhe should've pushed him further with her questioning of his 'faith' he's an embarassment to jesus christ

and as for asking for money to 'heal' cancer patients im not even going to say anything it speaks for itself. I know someone who is terminally ill from cancer and to take advantage of someone in that position is frankly unspeakable

i even feel sorry for Josie even she's not in his league in this one!!! when he told her she was a size 18.. religion never taught him anything about tact or sensitivity what a total woman hating scumbag pig

not to mention his homophobia and hatred of homosexuals

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 11:15 AM

He sits in the vipers nest alot, bitching with Ben. If you haven't seen that then i have to ask, have you watched much of the show?

Yep, i haven't denied he bitches with Ben in the nest, but as i've already stated - i think others over the last couple of weeks have got off very "lightly" in comparison. Anyways, it's fine to agree to disagree over that...that's just my personal observations from watching the live feeds.

OK, my question is : if you believe that Dave has been given a "very lucky edit", who do you believe has been given an "unlucky edit"?

MrWong

22-07-2010, 11:25 AM

Yep, i haven't denied he bitches with Ben in the nest, but as i've already stated - i think others over the last couple of weeks have got off very "lightly" in comparison. Anyways, it's fine to agree to disagree over that...that's just my personal observations from watching the live feeds.

OK, my question is : if you believe that Dave has been given a "very lucky edit", who do you believe has been given an "unlucky edit"?

Plenty of examples but here's one...

Sunshine's edit the night she was evicted, yes she was a bit of a nightmare that night with JJ but most of the show was about her and the other 2 nominated hm's, Shabby and Caoimhe, were largely ignored. Which is unfare on an eviction night, when 3 hm's are up for the chop.

MrWong

22-07-2010, 11:29 AM

The man was offended by Rachel's short skirts and Caoimhe's 'devils dumplings' yet finds no offence with Mario's nakedness. The blokes a hypocrite, infact he's a misogynist hypocrite.

I'm suprised he has any fans at all.

Peter Plunker

22-07-2010, 11:45 AM

It is when he doesn't apply the same rules to a man. Caoimhe had a shirt on and knickers. Rachael was fully clothed but apparently flashed her gusset. Mario on the 3 occasions he's streaked had ****** all on.

He's a big fat hypocrite and your feeble defence of him is because he is a friend of yours.

Can't you understand the difference between seeing a member of the same sex as you naked is totally different to seeing someone of the opposite sex. Dave nommed Rachael for it because HE didn't like it, the other housemates are able to do the same if Mario's nudity offends THEM. I wouldn't be offended by seeing a guys wanger or I'd never go swimming, I would however find it uncomfortable in the extreme if a woman was flashing her growler to all and sundry.

PS, Dave has never or will never ask for a penny to pray for someone. Whoever has made up these lies needs to grow up.

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 01:24 PM

Plenty of examples but here's one...

Sunshine's edit the night she was evicted, yes she was a bit of a nightmare that night with JJ but most of the show was about her and the other 2 nominated hm's, Shabby and Caoimhe, were largely ignored. Which is unfare on an eviction night, when 3 hm's are up for the chop.

Ok, fine..that's an isolated incident...i didn't see it on live feed, so i'm not going to comment.

What i'd be more interested in knowing is, as you've said generally Dave has had a "very lucky" edit this series, what current HMs would you consider to have had an "unlucky edit" over the course of the series?

Or would you say that all of them had a reasonably fair edit apart from Dave who you believe has had a very lucky edit?

MrWong

22-07-2010, 01:51 PM

Can't you understand the difference between seeing a member of the same sex as you naked is totally different to seeing someone of the opposite sex. Dave nommed Rachael for it because HE didn't like it, the other housemates are able to do the same if Mario's nudity offends THEM. I wouldn't be offended by seeing a guys wanger or I'd never go swimming, I would however find it uncomfortable in the extreme if a woman was flashing her growler to all and sundry.

PS, Dave has never or will never ask for a penny to pray for someone. Whoever has made up these lies needs to grow up.

So why didn't Dave, given his sensitive nature in regards to nudity, consider the effect that Mario's streaking might have on the female housemates? Fact is, he didn't. He thought Mario's actions were perfectly acceptable and even encouraged him to show his knob.

Not only that but he went from hm to hm castigating Caoimhe. Fine, he can be offended but why then does he need to involve the whole house?

MrWong

22-07-2010, 01:54 PM

]Ok, fine..that's an isolated incident...i didn't see it on live feed, so i'm not going to comment. [/B]What i'd be more interested in knowing is, as you've said generally Dave has had a "very lucky" edit this series, what current HMs would you consider to have had an "unlucky edit" over the course of the series?

Or would you say that all of them had a reasonably fair edit apart from Dave who you believe has had a very lucky edit?

Why have you moved the goal posts???

You asked for an incident of an unlucky edit, i gave you one.

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 02:03 PM

Why have you moved the goal posts???

You asked for an incident of an unlucky edit, i gave you one.

I never asked for an incident of an unlucky edit, please re-check my posts.

_Seth

22-07-2010, 02:07 PM

I wouldn't be offended by seeing a guys wanger or I'd never go swimming

Umm... I take it your pool doesn't have changing cubicles like normal ones? XD

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 02:11 PM

Maybe you're unclear of my question, but on your first post you asserted he had a very lucky edit. I don't want to go through every person with a fine tooth comb comparing every incident which has occurred during the series. I would like to know if you generally consider Dave to have had a very lucky edit, which of the current HMs would you consider to have had an "unlucky edit" over the course of the series? Or would you say that all of them had a reasonably fair edit apart from Dave who you believe has had a very lucky edit?
Is that clear?

MrWong

22-07-2010, 02:19 PM

I never asked for an incident of an unlucky edit, please re-check my posts.

:joker:

It's on this page. Re-read it.

You asked - "if you believe that Dave has been given a "very lucky edit", who do you believe has been given an "unlucky edit"?

I gave you an example, Sunshine.

You then replied "Ok, fine..that's an isolated incident...i didn't see it on live feed, so i'm not going to comment"

Whatever the bit in bold means. :conf:
BTW, the example i gave was on the Friday night highlights, NOT the live feed.

So here's an example of a lucky edit.. Josie and the extent of her lies, bitching and isolation tactics against a hm who drunkenly flirted with her imaginary boyfriend.

Is there some kind of point you'd like to make because i'm not going to sit here giving examples only for you to bat them away with "Ok, fine..that's an isolated incident"

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 02:47 PM

:joker:

It's on this page. Re-read it.

You asked - "if you believe that Dave has been given a "very lucky edit", who do you believe has been given an "unlucky edit"?

I gave you an example, Sunshine.

You then replied "Ok, fine..that's an isolated incident...i didn't see it on live feed, so i'm not going to comment"

Whatever the bit in bold means. :conf:
BTW, the example i gave was on the Friday night highlights, NOT the live feed.

So here's another example of a lucky edit.. Josie and the extent of her lies, bitching and isolation tactics against a hm who drunkenly flirted with her imaginary boyfriend.

Is there some kind of point you'd like to make because i'm not going to sit here giving examples only for you to bat them away with "Ok, fine..that's an isolated incident"

But i never asked for individual incidents, i'm sorry but you're missing the point. I am not asking for examples. Do you understand?

This is a general question on the HL show edit over the past 44 DAYS.

You claim Dave has had a lucky edit on the HL shows. During the course of the series who do you believe has had an "unlucky edit" on the HL show? eg. name a HM. Or do you think everyone else has had a reasonably fair edit apart from Dave who you believe has had a very lucky edit?

MrWong

22-07-2010, 02:52 PM

But i never asked for individual incidents, i'm sorry but you're missing the point. I am not asking for examples. Do you understand?

This is a general question on the HL show edit over the past 44 DAYS.

You claim Dave has had a lucky edit on the HL shows. During the course of the series who do you believe has had an "unlucky edit" on the HL show? eg. name a HM. Or do you think everyone else has had a reasonably fair edit apart from Dave who you believe has had a very lucky edit?

Ok, Rachael.

Now what?

EzzaB

22-07-2010, 03:00 PM

Dave is boring hypocrite , **** hm . get him out
nuff said

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 03:05 PM

Ok, Rachael.

Now what?

This is like pulling teeth....
Do you think she's given a lucky, unlucky or fair edit?

ElProximo

22-07-2010, 03:09 PM

So why didn't Dave, given his sensitive nature in regards to nudity, consider the effect that Mario's streaking might have on the female housemates?
Fact is, he didn't. He thought Mario's actions were perfectly acceptable and even encouraged him to show his knob.

I didn't see the streaking incident and obviously I don't know Davids mind but I think you and I both know what the answer is:
- Something like... David does not believe that a man making a comical naked run past women has any serious effects on them.

He DOES believe that a beautiful women lounging around (what was in his mind) seductively near men IS too powerful.

Let's drop pretending-games. OBVIOUSLY you know this is VERY COMMON thinking, social concepts/rules, everyday-life beliefs in the UK. You know this. I know this.
This is a VERY TYPICAL belief held by a vast majority of people alive today and women know it as much as men do.

So why are you showing up 'gasping in outraged shock' that you caught someone daring to believe such a thing!?
Why are you pretending we should debate about this?

Now.. EVEN IF you actually did believe there should be no difference here - you still haven't found a 'hypocrite'.
David believes this and acting accordingly.

Not only that but he went from hm to hm castigating Caoimhe. Fine, he can be offended but why then does he need to involve the whole house?

I thought he may have been a little over-concerned about it in the same way Josie highly over-rated 'seeing Daves asshole' and running to tell everyone
[in the sense that bored HMs tend to overdo and over-discuss many a thing]
but,
Here I will actually give David a little credit - he DID properly go appealing for a consensus.
That is healthy.
He was assertive but did so in an 'appeal' AND in a way that was met with quick and easy agreement.
People did 'second' his motion.

But don't be guilty of what you accuse David of doing - over-reacting with some put-on sensitivity and then going about the forum lobbying for condemnation,
yet,
not applying the same standards to (for example) where is your outrage over Josie exaggerating trauma over 'seeing Daves ahole' and then telling anyone?
Don't be a hypocrite.
You don't want to be exposed as a hypocrite do you?

But realistically David did not make much out of it and did seek 'tribe approval' which was quickly granted.
Keep in mind his 'intentions' were that (he believed) Chamomiles luscious boobs and body were going to cause too many powerful difficult emotional problems for married men who are without wives.

Is that REALLY such a bad intention?
Even if you keep pretending you are outraged by his solution - he did have noble intentions right?

MrWong

22-07-2010, 03:13 PM

This is like pulling teeth....
Do you think she's given a lucky, unlucky or fair edit?

No sh!t :rolleyes:

Will this do???

Caoimhe got an unlucky edit, starting as little more than Shabby's sidekick, to being shown on the highlights bitching about Sunstroke when Josie was just as bad. To being shown negatively in regards to Shabby expressing her love, even though Caoimhe handled it really well and was very sensitive to Shabby's feelings. To then being shown as the villain in a love triangle that never was. Production penciled her in as the female villain and edited out her many, many fun moments accordingly.

Dave's been penciled in as the harmless, god botherer with a lot of love in his belly and edited accordingly.

I really hope you have some kind of point to make now.

MrWong

22-07-2010, 03:23 PM

I didn't see the streaking incident and obviously I don't know Davids mind but I think you and I both know what the answer is:
- Something like... David does not believe that a man making a comical naked run past women has any serious effects on them.

He DOES believe that a beautiful women lounging around (what was in his mind) seductively near men IS too powerful.

Let's drop pretending-games. OBVIOUSLY you know this is VERY COMMON thinking, social concepts/rules, everyday-life beliefs in the UK. You know this. I know this.This is a VERY TYPICAL belief held by a vast majority of people alive today and women know it as much as men do.

We'll never agree on this because this religious hypocrisy isn't, very common, or even typical in any part of my life. None of my family are religious, neither are any of my friends.

Which is probably why that sort of behaviour sticks in my craw.

ElProximo

22-07-2010, 03:31 PM

We'll never agree on this because this religious hypocrisy isn't, very common, or even typical in any part of my life. None of my family are religious, neither are any of my friends.

Which is probably why that sort of behaviour sticks in my craw.

Yes, I figured you have a hate-on for this and are probably on youtube approving of 'online athiest' type videos,
but,
No, you didn't answer this at all. I suggested that you and I both know full well that the vast majority of people in the UK actually do believe there is a difference between:
- a man streaking by women.
- a woman naked in a room with men.

Men AND women full-well know and understand these are different social situations with different consequences and different emotions, social dynamics etc.

So why are you acting as if you never heard of such 'hypocrisy' and that you don't see any difference at all?
Explain that?

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 03:34 PM

Caoimhe got an unlucky edit, starting as little more than Shabby's sidekick, to being shown on the highlights bitching about Sunstroke when Josie was just as bad. To being shown negatively in regards to Shabby expressing her love, even though Caoimhe handled it really well and was very sensitive to Shabby's feelings. To then being shown as the villain in a love triangle that never was. Production penciled her in as the female villain and edited out her many, many fun moments accordingly.

Yeah, that's probably fair points. I mean she was cast in the villain role the last couple of weeks. I would say honestly though, she was pretty miserable to watch on the Live Feed toward the end, she was quite disassociated with the group as a whole (except JJ), and it would have been VERY difficult to give her a good edit. But she was certainly an excellent scapegoat for the producers in the "love triangle" storyline.

Dave's been penciled in as the harmless, god botherer with a lot of love in his belly and edited accordingly.

Please be 100% honest with me. Do you completely believe that to be true?

chuff me dizzy

22-07-2010, 03:36 PM

No sorry ,I disagree ,someone like him should never have been allowed in bb to start with ,He is a conman ,who takes advantage of victims of cancer

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 03:38 PM

Hey Chuff...i'm still waiting for my 10 Quid!!! :xyxwave:

chuff me dizzy

22-07-2010, 03:47 PM

Hey Chuff...i'm still waiting for my 10 Quid!!! :xyxwave:

You will have a long wait !! :hugesmile:

MrWong

22-07-2010, 03:47 PM

Yes, I figured you have a hate-on for this and are probably on youtube approving of 'online athiest' type videos,
but,
No, you didn't answer this at all. I suggested that you and I both know full well that the vast majority of people in the UK actually do believe there is a difference between:
- a man streaking by women.
- a woman naked in a room with men.

Men AND women full-well know and understand these are different social situations with different consequences and different emotions, social dynamics etc.

So why are you acting as if you never heard of such 'hypocrisy' and that you don't see any difference at all?
Explain that?

Why are you exaggerating Caoimhe's nudity and who she was 'nude' in front of? Is it because you need to because it helps make your point?
She had a shirt on that was wet and was wearing knickers, Rachel and Josie were also there at the time. Mario was fully naked on 3 seperate occasions.

Also, where do you get this 'vast majority of people in the uk' from? Surely the vast majority wouldn't give a stuff either way where as the prudes, religious types or whatever would view both incidents negatively as both were pretty similar and both happened in front of the opposite sex.

MrWong

22-07-2010, 03:50 PM

Please be 100% honest with me. Do you completely believe that to be true?

Yes i do. I'd say he's more 'bad' than 'good' but he's shown as the opposite of that in the highlights.

Off out for dinner, so can't reply till later.

chuff me dizzy

22-07-2010, 03:53 PM

Yes i do. I'd say he's more 'bad' than 'good' but he's shown as the opposite of that in the highlights.

IMO there is a LOT more bad in him than good ,he has been totally dishonest ,I have heard him "claim" he is a "man of the cloth" he is NOT ,he is a charlatan

WOMBAI

22-07-2010, 03:57 PM

confined it to the bathroom or male company??? what a load of rubbish he's on national TV duh!!!!

hes a hypocritical woman hating pig

Bull - I am completely against sexism of any form - but I don't see that from Dave! What has he done to suggest he hates women?

ElProximo

22-07-2010, 03:59 PM

Why are you exaggerating Caoimhe's nudity and who she was 'nude' in front of? Is it because you need to because it helps make your point?
She had a shirt on that was wet and was wearing knickers, Rachel and Josie were also there at the time. Mario was fully naked on 3 seperate occasions.

I wasn't exaggerating her nudity but it's not about what I think but how David took things,
and,
again all you are doing is 'announcing' that we had:
- Chamomile naked (partially.. the way you describe it is much sexier) in the room in front of men.
- Mario streaking past women.

These are (and in Davids mind) two different things with two different consequences and hence he was not being a 'hypocrite' as he acted consistently with his belief system.

YOU are the one who demands others go by your belief system that there is 'no difference'.
I don't think you even believe there is 'no difference' but so you claim.

Also, where do you get this 'vast majority of people in the uk' from?

About 90+% are from the UK and most others are immigrants or temporary students/workers etc.

Surely the vast majority wouldn't give a stuff either way where as the prudes, religious types or whatever would view both incidents negatively as both were pretty similar and both happened in front of the opposite sex.

No.
The vast majority of living human beings see a difference between men (especially if deprived of sex for some time) in a bathroom having a scantily clad babe,
versus,
women part of a crowd seeing a male streaker.

The most annoying thing is that I have to play along with your 'dumb act' when obviously you know that in our society that is definitely considered two different things with different effects, consequences, physiological responses, emotions etc.

Keep in mind - the HM's whom David complained to were nearly unanimously nodding and responding in agreement.
So you need to call them 'hypocrites' and 'double-standard misogynists' too,
or,
do you just apply it to David but not to Ben or Steve or Josie or whoever else AGREED with him?
Remember.. don't be a double-standard hypocrite!

fruit_cake

22-07-2010, 03:59 PM

Bull - I am completely against sexism of any form - but I don't see that from Dave! What has he done to suggest he hates women?

thats how they operate they pretend to be your friend, that they 'love' you and then turn everyone against you behind your back thats what happend to caoimhe.

Caoimhe should have pushed him a lot further on his BS preaching.. his ideas are as empty as his friendships

Hero1

22-07-2010, 04:04 PM

I've been watching the BB streams for the last couple of weeks, and Dave is the life and soul of that place. He's a genuinely warm and good-hearted guy, having lots of harmless fun...keeping everyone entertained. Then when they assemble the HL shows they're desperately attempting to paint him in a bad light at any given scenario!

C'mon BB Producers, you're a fcking DISGRACE you should be ashamed of yourselves!!! :nono:

I believe careful editing can only tell us half of the story, however, if Dave is being drunk (some Christian), saying something manipulative or taking out his two stale chicken fillets on camera and it gets shown, he only has himself to BLAME.

The negative things that are being shown qute frankly a man in his position should not be doing full stop, especially if he is making a living of his congregation in Christs name.

WOMBAI

22-07-2010, 04:06 PM

thats how they operate they pretend to be your friend, that they 'love' you and then turn everyone against you behind your back thats what happend to caoimhe.

Caoimhe should have pushed him a lot further on his BS preaching.. his ideas are as empty as his friendships

From memory, Keeva was the one that was pretty nasty and bitchy to and about Dave - naturally he didn't like her very much! But he was never rude or offensive to her - as I remember her being to him!

Hero1

22-07-2010, 04:06 PM

You have to watch the live feed to appreciate how funny Dave is - the producers don't want him in the final.

He could be funny, but he is doing a HELL of a lot to prove he is nothing special and has no rights to a congregation he feeds off.

fruit_cake

22-07-2010, 04:07 PM

From memory, Keeva was the one that was pretty nasty and bitchy to and about Dave - naturally he didn't like her very much! But he was never rude or offensive to her - as I remember her being to him!

he makes my blood boil maybe when i calm down a bit i'll think about it more

ElProximo

22-07-2010, 04:30 PM

he makes my blood boil maybe when i calm down a bit i'll think about it more

He makes your blood boil. I want to take a wild guess as to why. Tell me if I am close enough:

- growing up you often felt like the odd one who didn't quite fit in. a misfit. You felt teased, picked-on and even bullied. Whether it was schoolyard taunts, rejected love-interests or just being ignored. It hurt. It hurt you a lot and still hurts.
- At some point, although you are not a gay or lesbian you 'identified' with that subculture as if 'one with them' in terms of victimization, suffering, empowerment and the like.
- You suppose that one of the reasons many of your comrades suffer is only because they are not accepted for same-sex attraction which is 'who they are'. It is directly proportional suffering and shame to the % of society not yet accepting them as normals.
so,
- when you see David you see him as someone who, by not accepting homosexuality as normal or 'good' is (ultimately stringing this altogether) the reason for you being teased, shamed, feeling socially awkward and what hinders you from realizing all the goodness of being seen as normal, successful, socially praised etc.

Something like that.
Would you agree I'm just about right on this, overall?

Peter Plunker

22-07-2010, 04:45 PM

No sorry ,I disagree ,someone like him should never have been allowed in bb to start with ,He is a conman ,who takes advantage of victims of cancer

In what way has he taken advantage of cancer victims? Do you have any source for this or is it just chinese whispers with some of the more pathetic members of this forum?
I'm probably on your ignore list anyway.

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 04:46 PM

The negative things that are being shown qute frankly a man in his position should not be doing full stop, especially if he is making a living of his congregation in Christs name.

Look, in the context of this conversation it's kind of irrelevant whether you approve or disapprove of his behaviour. The comment i made was from my viewing of the Live Feeds and then seeing the HL show. I strongly believe that the producers are focusing on more of a negative storyline or side to his personality. Do you agree or disagree? Do you think over the course of the series Dave has received a fair, good or bad edit on the HL show?

fruit_cake

22-07-2010, 04:52 PM

He makes your blood boil. I want to take a wild guess as to why. Tell me if I am close enough:

- growing up you often felt like the odd one who didn't quite fit in. a misfit. You felt teased, picked-on and even bullied. Whether it was schoolyard taunts, rejected love-interests or just being ignored. It hurt. It hurt you a lot and still hurts.
- At some point, although you are not a gay or lesbian you 'identified' with that subculture as if 'one with them' in terms of victimization, suffering, empowerment and the like.
- You suppose that one of the reasons many of your comrades suffer is only because they are not accepted for same-sex attraction which is 'who they are'. It is directly proportional suffering and shame to the % of society not yet accepting them as normals.
so,
- when you see David you see him as someone who, by not accepting homosexuality as normal or 'good' is (ultimately stringing this altogether) the reason for you being teased, shamed, feeling socially awkward and what hinders you from realizing all the goodness of being seen as normal, successful, socially praised etc.

Something like that.
Would you agree I'm just about right on this, overall?

no, i'd say you were pretty far away Mr Proximo although interesting.. i'm not sure where that came from though :conf:

fruit_cake

22-07-2010, 04:53 PM

In what way has he taken advantage of cancer victims? Do you have any source for this or is it just chinese whispers with some of the more pathetic members of this forum?
I'm probably on your ignore list anyway.

how does he make a living then??? last time i checked being drunk on the lord doesn't pay the bills :conf:

Claymores

22-07-2010, 05:22 PM

I strongly believe that the producers are focusing on more of a negative storyline or side to his personality. Do you agree or disagree? Do you think over the course of the series Dave has received a fair, good or bad edit on the HL show?

I believe he receives he receives a neutral edit on the whole. If the more negative aspects of his personality are coming through, that simply relfects that he behaves in a somewhat unsavoury any hypocritical manner on many occasions - for Dave, his views on how others should be acting is "do as I say, not as I do".

I also feel he benefits greatly from the fact that it is impossible to condense or portray (within a 1 hour HL show) the many hours of real-time character assasinations him and Ben partake of (particularly when together in the Nest)

chuff me dizzy

22-07-2010, 05:36 PM

how does he make a living then??? last time i checked being drunk on the lord doesn't pay the bills :conf:

He lives in a big house where he does his "preaching "(not a church in sight) ,and sends his children to private school ,all without a job ? theres money in being a charlatan isnt there ?

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 06:03 PM

I believe he receives he receives a neutral edit on the whole. If the more negative aspects of his personality are coming through, that simply relfects that he behaves in a somewhat unsavoury any hypocritical manner on many occasions - for Dave, his views on how others should be acting is "do as I say, not as I do".

I also feel he benefits greatly from the fact that it is impossible to condense or portray (within a 1 hour HL show) the many hours of real-time character assasinations him and Ben partake of (particularly when together in the Nest)

Thanks for responding and not filling your post with a hate filed diatribe (as many others have). I'll give you a couple of points as to why i believe he's NOT getting a neutral edit. First was kind of discussed toward the start of the thread, they seem to have been running with some kind of negative pervert "storyline" theme with him and Andrew in the last few days. NOW...BB supplied them with "pampering" products twice, he's just participating and having fun with it. Did we see the others putting on the pampering products? If you watch the live feed for a significant amount of time you will see every day, at least a few times he will have other HMs or the whole group in fits of laughter from his joking around. That is NOT a biased observation, but simply a FACT. Yet his funny moments rarely make it on the HL show. BUT, they're happy to show some religious "tokenism" where Ben asks him to say grace at dinner or something...

Claymores

22-07-2010, 06:14 PM

Thanks for responding and not filling your post with a hate filed diatribe (as many others have). I'll give you a couple of points as to why i believe he's NOT getting a neutral edit. First was kind of discussed toward the start of the thread, they seem to have been running with some kind of negative pervert "storyline" theme with him and Andrew in the last few days. NOW...BB supplied them with "pampering" products twice, he's just participating and having fun with it. Did we see the others putting on the pampering products? If you watch the live feed for a significant amount of time you will see every day, at least a few times he will have other HMs or the whole group in fits of laughter from his joking around. That is NOT a biased observation, but simply a FACT. Yet his funny moments rarely make it on the HL show.

Sorry - I didn't regard the 'pampering' product scenes as being particularly down on Dave as opposed to something to do to pass the time with others participating.

I felt his hypocritical side was fairly well portrayed by the fact he roundly slated Caiomhe for offending his sensibilities through public indecency one night, then happily dropped his drawers in the bedroom (with Josie and who knows who else present) 2 nights later. "One Rule for You, One Rule for Me" it seems.

I'd suspected you might be rounding on the producers for showing his antics 'when dunk on the Lord'. As Dave seriously believes in this, I would be sure Dave himself would have no objections to these behaviours being portrayed on the HL.

chuff me dizzy

22-07-2010, 06:25 PM

Rachel has just asked him how he pays his rent ,he changed the question !!

boomoo

22-07-2010, 06:33 PM

I've been watching the BB streams for the last couple of weeks, and Dave is the life and soul of that place. He's a genuinely warm and good-hearted guy, having lots of harmless fun...keeping everyone entertained. Then when they assemble the HL shows they're desperately attempting to paint him in a bad light at any given scenario!

C'mon BB Producers, you're a fcking DISGRACE you should be ashamed of yourselves!!! :nono:

Well he deserves it. He made such a scene about Caoimhe ( such an easy target) about her wet shirt but it was alright for him to be showing himself to the cameras. This is 2 days running now. Do we want to see him naked NO. What is the difference between him and Caoimhe, he was naked and Caoimhe was unaware that the wet shirt had shown her body. She was running around not posing in front of the cameras. He was.

His actions were for show and Caoimhe's were accidental.

psychtracker

22-07-2010, 06:34 PM

Sorry - I didn't regard the 'pampering' product scenes as being particularly down on Dave as opposed to something to do to pass the time with others participating.
I'd beg to differ with you there given many of the comments i've seen on the OS and forums.

I felt his hypocritical side was fairly well portrayed by the fact he roundly slated Caiomhe for offending his sensibilities through public indecency one night, then happily dropped his drawers in the bedroom (with Josie and who knows who else present) 2 nights later. "One Rule for You, One Rule for Me" it seems.

We could argue the toss about this till the cows come home...as many have already. I don't know if he was aware if Josie was there, who knows. They live in communal bedroom, i'm sure they're getting changed all the time. Would Josie have been "shocked" if JJ was getting changed and saw his bum cheeks? ...seems she's being quite prudish and i don't see many comments in that regard.

I'd suspected you might be rounding on the producers for showing his antics 'when dunk on the Lord'. As Dave seriously believes in this, I would be sure Dave himself would have no objections to these behaviours being portrayed on the HL.

No, i'm just talking about the many funny comments he makes daily. Do you watch the LF? if so, you will be aware. It's fine that you or anyone else may not like the guy or his humour. Each their own. But you CANNOT deny he makes the other HMs laugh, and on a regular basis. As mentioned, that is a FACT...as i'm sure you'd agree.

boomoo

22-07-2010, 06:40 PM

That surprised me as well and seemed very inappropriate. The OP is right and I got the sense they 'bent the rule' in some lame attempt to show David being a 'hypocriiiiiiite' for the type of viewers who crave it?

Notice my banner is showing an increasingly unlikely prediction. C4 is not beat yet though.. and David is not finished yet,
but,
so far, the idea of using David as a 'shame the church' icon has failed or even 'backfired' on them.

But yeah.. they are trying hard to paint him in the worst light and just forcing any 'hypocrite' scenario to the point it does come off as desperate.

Perhaps they have seen the video of him posted on these forums and feel they gave him a place without knowing his background.
The fact that they chose a man who pretended to need a wheel chair and put him in a house with a man who is a double amputee makes them look rather stupid.

ElProximo

22-07-2010, 07:15 PM

Perhaps they have seen the video of him posted on these forums and feel they gave him a place without knowing his background.
The fact that they chose a man who pretended to need a wheel chair and put him in a house with a man who is a double amputee makes them look rather stupid.

Oh no.. they absolutely knew who Dave was and found him through the you tube and those very videos we were all looking at. They knew all about him for over a year now.

The 'problem' is that they didn't seem to factor in that David (as cult's go) needs his other cult members around to work themselves into states. Not always but it helps a lot.
One thing they might do is allow him more than 1 hour with his Bible and several hours to work himself into trance/ecstatic states?

Peter Plunker

22-07-2010, 08:07 PM

He lives in a big house where he does his "preaching "(not a church in sight) ,and sends his children to private school ,all without a job ? theres money in being a charlatan isnt there ?

He doesn't live in a big house, it's an ex council house fgs, also his kids DO NOT go to private schools. I would post the names of them but that wouldn't be fair on his kids.

I don't know where you get these lies from.

chuff me dizzy

22-07-2010, 08:12 PM

He doesn't live in a big house, it's an ex council house fgs, also his kids DO NOT go to private schools. I would post the names of them but that wouldn't be fair on his kids.

I don't know where you get these lies from.

All from his mouth,so not only is he a Charlatan he is also a lier ? ,and i see you didnt say that he is part of NO CHURCH he runs his conning business from home is wrong did you ?

Peter Plunker

22-07-2010, 08:19 PM

Dave works from home, wow busted, what a scumbag. He said he would like his kids to go to a private school, who wouldn't if they had the money? As it stands, they don't.

MrWong

23-07-2010, 12:02 AM

I wasn't exaggerating her nudity but it's not about what I think but how David took things,
and,
again all you are doing is 'announcing' that we had:
- Chamomile naked (partially.. the way you describe it is much sexier) in the room in front of men.
- Mario streaking past women.

These are (and in Davids mind) two different things with two different consequences and hence he was not being a 'hypocrite' as he acted consistently with his belief system.

YOU are the one who demands others go by your belief system that there is 'no difference'.
I don't think you even believe there is 'no difference' but so you claim.

About 90+% are from the UK and most others are immigrants or temporary students/workers etc.

No.
The vast majority of living human beings see a difference between men (especially if deprived of sex for some time) in a bathroom having a scantily clad babe,
versus,
women part of a crowd seeing a male streaker.

The most annoying thing is that I have to play along with your 'dumb act' when obviously you know that in our society that is definitely considered two different things with different effects, consequences, physiological responses, emotions etc.

Keep in mind - the HM's whom David complained to were nearly unanimously nodding and responding in agreement.
So you need to call them 'hypocrites' and 'double-standard misogynists' too,
or,
do you just apply it to David but not to Ben or Steve or Josie or whoever else AGREED with him?
Remember.. don't be a double-standard hypocrite!

You were exaggerating her nudity. You said she was naked, she wasn't.

You seem to want me to make allowances for Dave having double standards due to his religious beliefs but Dave doesn't need to make allowances for Caoimhe being soaked by Josie and for being pissed.

Also what is this notion that men can't control their sexual urges and because of that women must behave like chaste women so as not to tempt the man? Whether they are deprived of sex or not. If this was a problem then nudist colonies and beaches would be full of male rapists and female rape victims. The male nudists can control themselves around the naked women. Temptation is everywhere for them. Is it just religious folk that find it hard to control their urges?

The housemates may have nodded their heads in agreement but you can't tell me in all honesty that they really agreed. By that time Caoimhe had become the house target. No one was going to stick up for her for fear of becoming target number two. So i don't need to call the nodding dogs hypocrites or misogynists as i believe they wouldn't normally give a sh!t as it happens all the time on this show and no one ever complains about it.
Dave also has the added element of nominating women every week apart from once, Govan. So that doesn't really help his cause either.

I think i've covered your points but i've been out and slightly merry.

Oh and the 'dumb act' comment doesn't make it any less of an insult wrapped in punctuation marks. Lets stick to the housemates yeah.

ElProximo

23-07-2010, 12:09 AM

You seem to want me to make allowances for Dave having double standards due to his religious beliefs but Dave doesn't need to make allowances for Caoimhe being soaked by Josie and for being pissed.

I would ask you to return to this post tomorrow morning and try and decide just what exactly you think you were aiming to communicate.
Maybe you will be able to 'step-by-step' through it making some kind of 'positive statement' sort of way.
Thx

MrWong

23-07-2010, 12:16 AM

I would ask you to return to this post tomorrow morning and try and decide just what exactly you think you were aiming to communicate.
Maybe you will be able to 'step-by-step' through it making some kind of 'positive statement' sort of way.
Thx

What happens if i don't? :shocked::shocked::shocked:

I'm not sure i can take your totally irrelevant psychological profiling that you attempted on another fm based on very little at all. Even convincing yourself that you were just about spot on in your summary. It looked incredibly arrogant and also a bit daft.

Plus i'm off on my holiday this weekend, lots to do :dance:

TheEchelonxRawr!KP

23-07-2010, 12:21 AM

I didnt like Dave in the begining i have to admit but he has kinda grown on me and i now think he is actually a nice entertainingg guy :D.. need to watch live feed more me thinks :)

MargeryFan

23-07-2010, 12:27 AM

I agree completely with the OP. Nice to see i'm not the only one.

Patrick

23-07-2010, 12:33 AM

I COULDN'T STAND HIM for what he did to Rachael in Week 1.

But I think he's pretty cool now I have watched Live Feed more often now.

ElProximo

23-07-2010, 02:25 AM

What happens if i don't? :shocked::shocked::shocked:

You only hurt (or help) yourself. This last post 'may' have intended to make some kind of sensible 'positive statement' but I don't know if you know what you are trying to say.

You seem to want me to make allowances for Dave having double standards due to his religious beliefs but Dave doesn't need to make allowances for Caoimhe being soaked by Josie and for being pissed.

If it makes you feel better - lets suppose I am daft and need you to rephrase that into some kind of 'positive statement'.
Not a random string of these "If something is this then why is another thing that hummm?" types of 'rhetorical questions'.

As for the quasi-feminist rhetoric:
In fact, the reason there are different standards for 'men viewing women' and 'women viewing men' is because there ARE different dynamics and they ARE different.
This is why they often have different standards.
In a basic example:
Men can be topless in public.
Women cannot.
Because they are different.

But the idea there is just a basic example. This has nothing to do with raping people and in this case doesn't have anything to do with 'laws' but with social contracts.

psychtracker

23-07-2010, 06:30 AM

Ah well...another day, another crapola Dave edit. Didn't see much of him really, a couple of small spots of him winding up JJ & J about the duet task, and him telling the "lads" that Ben's been down. I'm surprised they actually showed a snippet of his audition! alas we never saw him in the recording studio, that was the usual suspects. The "sing off" he had with Mario in the nest looked like FUN...but not shown. And how about him getting emotional and comforted by Rachel over the song chosen, because it was a fav and played at his best friends wedding. God forbid they show him being sensitive!

I'm sure if the BB producers where reading this thread they'd be cacking their pants with self pride...nice job again boys!

PS. Oh..but they did get his gag in about John & Corin's voices sounding like his cat after being given chili, i will credit them with that. :hugesmile:

WOMBAI

23-07-2010, 07:31 AM

Rachel has just asked him how he pays his rent ,he changed the question !!

Cheeky cow - what right did she have to ask him that? They should all answer that question, if he has to, including that little idiot!

WOMBAI

23-07-2010, 07:33 AM

how does he make a living then??? last time i checked being drunk on the lord doesn't pay the bills :conf:

Listen will you! That question has been answered many times - getting really boring now!

fruit_cake

23-07-2010, 08:19 AM

Listen will you! That question has been answered many times - getting really boring now!

maybe i am wrong but so far i haven't seen any question answered at all.. :conf: he just seems to slime and snake his way away from questions he doesn't want to answer..

if he can't even answer ordinary questions like that then he shouldn't make claims about being some kind of prophet or being drunk on the lord he should just keep his mouth shut and his bizarre rituals and ideas to himself IMO

you can tell he is a misogynistic, prejudiced and intolerant person its one rule for him and another for everyone else.. he even backstabbing his best friend Ben after all the time they spent together.. He sucks people in with his claims of loving everyone but really he just thinks hes better than them. If i were Josie i'd have punched him with his size 18 comments, what an insenstive pig hardly Jesus Christ is he more like the anti-christ if anything!!!

crit

23-07-2010, 08:33 AM

Dave doesnt do or say anything interesting, entertaining or amusing.

Cant make a silk purse from a sows ear.

psychtracker

23-07-2010, 08:38 AM

Yes i do. I'd say he's more 'bad' than 'good' but he's shown as the opposite of that in the highlights.

I think you should change your moniker to MrNeverWong

Just kidding... ;)

Seriously though, you're the only person who's come on here claiming he's had a favourable or lucky edit throughout the series, that should tell you something. Makes me seriously wonder if we're both watching the same show! I can't make up my mind if you're deluded or stubborn, because it seems you will not even concede one point i make. You are right, and i am wrong about everything...apparently.

Just because you don't like the guy, does not mean that you have to have a completely biased view of the HL show editing of him.

fruit_cake

23-07-2010, 08:42 AM

I think you should change your moniker to MrNeverWong

Just kidding... ;)

Seriously though, you're the only person who's come on here claiming he's had a favourable or lucky edit throughout the series, that should tell you something. Makes me seriously wonder if we're both watching the same show! I can't make up my mind if you're deluded or stubborn, because it seems you will not even concede one point i make. You are right, and i am wrong about everything...apparently.

i don't know is he your friend psychtracker???? if he is maybe u need to tell him when he snakes his way out of questions it makes people suspicious about him i doubt Jesus Christ snaked his way out of questions like that. It seems to me that Caoimhe exposed him as being all talk and no action and in revenge he attacked her and isolated her she should have pushed him further and exposed him for what he really is!! He made her out to be something wrong when she just having fun yet he thinks that we are supposed to find it funny when he gets his bum out?? what a hypocrit.. he just using that as an excuse because he hates caoimhe for exposing him as a slimy woman hating snake

psychtracker

23-07-2010, 08:53 AM

i don't know is he your friend psychtracker???? if he is maybe u need to tell him when he snakes his way out of questions it makes people suspicious about him i doubt Jesus Christ snaked his way out of questions like that. It seems to me that Caoimhe exposed him as being all talk and no action and in revenge he attacked her and isolated her she should have pushed him further and exposed him for what he really is!! He made her out to be something wrong when she just having fun yet he thinks that we are supposed to find it funny when he gets his bum out?? what a hypocrit.. he just using that as an excuse because he hates caoimhe for exposing him as a slimy woman hating snake

No, he's not my friend...never met the guy, i live in Australia. Wow, you've got a lot of anger within yourself toward him i see. Do you think he's had a good, bad or neutral edit on the HL shows. Assuming of course you watch the Live Feed. This is NOT a question of whether you like or dislike him as a human being.

fruit_cake

23-07-2010, 08:56 AM

there is a FM here who is one of his friends i thought it were you sorry about that.. i dont know about the editing i watch both HL and LF

psychtracker

23-07-2010, 08:59 AM

there is a FM here who is one of his friends i thought it were you sorry about that.. i dont know about the editing i watch both HL and LF

That's ok, many thanks for your apology :xyxwave:

WOMBAI

23-07-2010, 09:01 AM

i don't know is he your friend psychtracker???? if he is maybe u need to tell him when he snakes his way out of questions it makes people suspicious about him i doubt Jesus Christ snaked his way out of questions like that. It seems to me that Caoimhe exposed him as being all talk and no action and in revenge he attacked her and isolated her she should have pushed him further and exposed him for what he really is!! He made her out to be something wrong when she just having fun yet he thinks that we are supposed to find it funny when he gets his bum out?? what a hypocrit.. he just using that as an excuse because he hates caoimhe for exposing him as a slimy woman hating snake

He wasn't running round the house with his pants down was he - he was in the bathroom with only guys in there - that's what guys do in men's changing rooms everywhere! It was only his bum - not his more personal areas! What is a bum for christ's sake - you must live a very sheltered life! :sleep:

fruit_cake

23-07-2010, 09:06 AM

He wasn't running round the house with his pants down was he - he was in the bathroom with only guys in there - that's what guys do in men's changing rooms everywhere! It was only his bum - not his more personal areas! What is a bum for christ's sake - you must live a very sheltered life! :sleep:

he wasn't in the bathroom Wombai he was in the bedroom i don't know what guys do in their changing rooms am i supposed to care??? i don't have a problem with him exposing himself thats upto him.. i have a problem with his double standard that when a woman does its not acceptable but for him its fine

psychtracker

23-07-2010, 09:08 AM

But they where HOLY bum cheeks Wombai... ;)

Claymores

23-07-2010, 09:14 AM

He wasn't running round the house with his pants down was he - he was in the bathroom with only guys in there - that's what guys do in men's changing rooms everywhere! It was only his bum - not his more personal areas! What is a bum for christ's sake - you must live a very sheltered life! :sleep:

It was the bedroom the following morning when Josie and god knows who else was there.

I feel you dismiss it as "only his bum" too lighly, since the underlying point is hipocrisy in that he'd roundly slated Caiomhe for offending his sensibilities through public indecency. He had claimed outrage at how badly antics of public indecency might conceivably reflect on him as a father, husband and Minister.

..........and it was doubly ironic that Caiomhe was not even completely exposed.

WOMBAI

23-07-2010, 09:15 AM

he wasn't in the bathroom Wombai he was in the bedroom i don't know what guys do in their changing rooms am i supposed to care??? i don't have a problem with him exposing himself thats upto him.. i have a problem with his double standard that when a woman does its not acceptable but for him its fine

He wasn't exposing himself - it was his bum! Fgs - guys walk around in the streets with their trousers half way down their bums showing half their cheeks - apparently a fashion statement! :sleep: Nobody thinks anything of a bum!

I think Dave was probably talking more about the intent, the salacious nature of her 'exposure' - or at least his perceived view of her reasons for doing so!

Claymores

23-07-2010, 09:18 AM

He wasn't exposing himself - it was his bum! Fgs - guys walk around in the streets with their trousers half way down their bums showing half their cheeks - apparently a fashion statement! :sleep: Nobody thinks anything of a bum!

And many women go topless on hot summers' days in parks and on beaches in Britain far less abroad. Which Caiomhe didn't even do. Yet St Dave feigned moral indignation in order to have a dig

fruit_cake

23-07-2010, 09:21 AM

He wasn't exposing himself - it was his bum! Fgs - guys walk around in the streets with their trousers half way down their bums showing half their cheeks - apparently a fashion statement! :sleep: Nobody thinks anything of a bum!

wombai you missing the point.. do you think its ok that he exposes himself but when caoimhe does it, its offensive to him :conf:

fruit_cake

23-07-2010, 09:21 AM

He wasn't exposing himself - it was his bum! Fgs - guys walk around in the streets with their trousers half way down their bums showing half their cheeks - apparently a fashion statement! :sleep: Nobody thinks anything of a bum!

wombai you're missing the point.. do you think its ok that he exposes himself but when caoimhe does it, its offensive to him :conf:

WOMBAI

23-07-2010, 09:23 AM

wombai you're missing the point.. do you think its ok that he exposes himself but when caoimhe does it, its offensive to him :conf:

I'm not! I think Dave was probably talking more about the intent, the salacious nature of her 'exposure' - or at least his perceived view of her reasons for doing so!

fruit_cake

23-07-2010, 09:25 AM

I'm not! I think Dave was probably talking more about the intent, the salacious nature of her 'exposure' - or at least his perceived view of her reasons for doing so!

so when she does it its salacious but when he does it its just a bit of fun you've got the same double standards as him one rule for him another for everyone else.. i can assure you caoimhe would prefered if he weren't in the bath in the first place.. u have to be careful with men like him because behind closed doors they get upto the things they accuse others of doing

psychtracker

23-07-2010, 09:26 AM

Regardless of your differing points of view on "bumgate"...everybody on the planet is a hypocrite to "varying" degrees. Dave is no Saint, and neither is Caoimhe.

Claymores

23-07-2010, 09:30 AM

Regardless of your differing points of view on "bumgate"...everybody on the planet is a hypocrite to "varying" degrees. Dave is no Saint, and neither is Caoimhe.

The sad truth is that I firmly believe St Dave wasn't even (wrongly) arguing a point of salaciousness. It was a cheap coded dig to try to ensure the others nominated Caiomhe, nothing more noble.

psychtracker

23-07-2010, 09:34 AM

The sad truth is that I firmly believe St Dave wasn't even (wrongly) arguing a point of salaciousness. It was a cheap coded dig to try to ensure the others nominated Caiomhe, nothing more noble.

Even if it was a "cheap coded dig", is that wrong? It is after all a game show...

WOMBAI

23-07-2010, 09:35 AM

so when she does it its salacious but when he does it its just a bit of fun you've got the same double standards as him one rule for him another for everyone else.. i can assure you caoimhe would prefered if he weren't in the bath in the first place

Because many perceive, and it could be argued, that she was doing so to attract sexual attention and desire, an attempt to turn the guys on - whereas the circumstances of his 'exposure' were completely different!

That may not have been her motivation - but it seems likely as she was not that naive! A bit of harmless titilation! Are you really saying Dave could be accused of even that? :joker:

Claymores

23-07-2010, 09:36 AM

Even if it was a "cheap coded dig", is that wrong? It is after all a game show...

Nope just another demonstration of his unsavoury game tactics, which was fairly reflected in the editing, and consequently most people were able to spot.

fruit_cake

23-07-2010, 09:41 AM

Because many perceive, and it could be argued, that she was doing so to attract sexual attention and desire, an attempt to turn the guys on - whereas the circumstances of his 'exposure' were completely different!

That may not have been her motivation - but it seems likely as she was not that naive! A bit of harmless titilation! Are you really saying Dave could be accused of even that? :joker:

In my view it was Caoimhe who was having fun and it was him who was trying to make some point about something

stoney

23-07-2010, 09:44 AM

not to mention his homophobia and hatred of homosexuals

now you'v mentioned it, or made it up really:nono:, can you point out where and when this imaginary homophobia and hatred of homosexuals happens in the house in your opinion:conf:

fruit_cake

23-07-2010, 09:48 AM

er.. haven't u been watching the show??? he slimed his way out of answer josies questions about gay marriage he thinks they are beneath him and its not acceptable

charmingmissc

23-07-2010, 09:48 AM

WOMBAI

23-07-2010, 09:49 AM

now you'v mentioned it, or made it up really:nono:, can you point out where and when this imaginary homophobia and hatred of homosexuals happens in the house in your opinion:conf:

I know - it is ridiculous! He previously said, due to his religious beliefs, he didn't condone gay marriage - and people twist that to say he is a homophobic - he has done nothing to suggest that! He is a very open and friendly guy to everyone - such accusations just don't add up!

lime

23-07-2010, 09:50 AM

He wasn't running round the house with his pants down was he - he was in the bathroom with only guys in there - that's what guys do in men's changing rooms everywhere! It was only his bum - not his more personal areas! What is a bum for christ's sake - you must live a very sheltered life! :sleep:

No WOMBAI,it was in the bedroom and Josie said to him" I know you are a holy man but that's taken it a bit far."

She then said to JJ that she had just seen Dave's arse.So it was not only in front of guys.
There was nothing discreet about, it I mean it's not that we all coped a quick glance.It was on full display.

charmingmissc

23-07-2010, 09:50 AM

he has said before that he has gay friends.

it's not being gay he objects to it is gay marriage.

psychtracker

23-07-2010, 09:50 AM

Nope just another demonstration of his unsavoury game tactics, which was fairly reflected in the editing, and consequently most people were able to spot.

I think you'd have to talk to the guy himself to get the full story...but appears you have him "hung, drawn & quartered" already.

WOMBAI

23-07-2010, 09:55 AM

No WOMBAI,it was in the bedroom and Josie said to him" I know you are a holy man but that's taken it a bit far."

She then said to JJ that she had just seen Dave's arse.So it was not only in front of guys.
There was nothing discreet about, it I mean it's not that we all coped a quick glance.It was on full display.

She was joking - that she had seen a 'minister's' arse! :joker:

Ok it was in the bedroom and women were present - but he in no way could be accused of attempting to flaunt himself or to excite the girls - totally different circumstances!

stoney

23-07-2010, 09:57 AM

He lives in a big house where he does his "preaching "(not a church in sight) ,and sends his children to private school ,all without a job ? theres money in being a charlatan isnt there ?

any chance of any link to any sort of proof about this:conf:

certain posters on here parrot the "fact" that dave sends his kids to private school but no-one seems to be able to point to any actual info on it :nono:

Claymores

23-07-2010, 09:59 AM

I think you'd have to talk to the guy himself to get the full story...but appears you have him "hung, drawn & quartered" already.

We are grown ups and can draw our own common-sense conclusions.

WOMBAI

23-07-2010, 10:00 AM

any chance of any link to any sort of proof about this:conf:

certain posters on here parrot the "fact" that dave sends his kids to private school but no-one seems to be able to point to any actual info on it :nono:

His kids don't go to private school - I think that has pretty much been established - just people exaggarating again for dramatic license! :sleep:

Claymores

23-07-2010, 10:02 AM

Ok it was in the bedroom and women were present - but he in no way could be accused of attempting to flaunt himself or to excite the girls - totally different circumstances!

And neither could Caoimhe - at worst it became a 'wardrobe malfunction' after Josie doused her with water. St Dave appeared to take the opportunity to sway the others it was something else........I strongly believe for the benefit of his own agenda of getting her nominated.

psychtracker

23-07-2010, 10:05 AM

We are grown ups and can draw our own common-sense conclusions.

Very true, some are more judgmental that others as well.

I have a question :

Has Dave done anything in the house that has been positive? Yes or No.

Claymores

23-07-2010, 10:06 AM

Very true, some are more judgmental that others as well.

I have a question :

Has Dave done anything in the house that has been positive? Yes or No.

It is a ridiculous question unworthy of an answer. They have all done positive things.

-Sue-

23-07-2010, 10:09 AM

It is a ridiculous question unworthy of an answer. They have all done positive things.
.. I wouldnt bother Clay.. you will go round and round in circles in this thread.. like I did when I replied yesterday OP only wants answers that agree with his opinion & thoughts ...

lime

23-07-2010, 10:15 AM

She was joking - that she had seen a 'minister's' arse! :joker:

Ok it was in the bedroom and women were present - but he in no way could be accused of attempting to flaunt himself or to excite the girls - totally different circumstances!

No I agree Josie was laughing about it,I don't think he was in anyway flaunting his arse.I just think his reaction off being really upset over catching a glimpse of Caoimhes breasts as fake now.
I mean he is always mentioning about his kids watching....I am sure they would me more upset about having to listen to other kids take the mickey about him having a 19 spray him with fake tan whilst his boxers are around his knees(doesn't matter that no females were present in that case as it was seen on national tv).

The other thing is we all know Corin wants to go topless in the garden but wont because she wants someone else to do it with her.Sunshine refused when asked..If one the new HM wants to go topless in the garden with Corin I really don't see Dave as getting upset over that.He's hardly likely to be bitching in the bathroom about them or asking BB to go home as he a married man

WOMBAI

23-07-2010, 10:26 AM

No I agree Josie was laughing about it,I don't think he was in anyway flaunting his arse.I just think his reaction off being really upset over catching a glimpse of Caoimhes breasts as fake now.
I mean he is always mentioning about his kids watching....I am sure they would me more upset about having to listen to other kids take the mickey about him having a 19 spray him with fake tan whilst his boxers are around his knees(doesn't matter that no females were present in that case as it was seen on national tv).

The other thing is we all know Corin wants to go topless in the garden but wont because she wants someone else to do it with her.Sunshine refused when asked..If one the new HM wants to go topless in the garden with Corin I really don't see Dave as getting upset over that.He's hardly likely to be bitching in the bathroom about them or asking BB to go home as he a married man

tbh - I don't know or particularly care what Keeva's motivations were when she was 'exposing' herself - although I do think it also raises questions about Josie's motivations when she threw water over her - maybe her intention was to either ridicule Keeva or provoke accusations of salacious exposure! Josie is no fool!

Don't know what Dave' s motivations for passing the comments that he did about Keeva's 'exposure' were either - maybe he genuinely believed she was attempting to gain attention and/or maybe he did exaggerate the situation to turn others against her, don't know or again, really care! None of them are perfect - they all misread or exaggerate things for personal gain - but, no doubt, some are far worse than others - and Dave is definitely not one of the worst offenders!

MrBlack

23-07-2010, 10:42 AM

I've been watching the BB streams for the last couple of weeks, and Dave is the life and soul of that place...Then when they assemble the HL shows they're desperately attempting to paint him in a bad light at any given scenario..

If Dave is the life and soul of BB..then it just proves why BB is in its final year.

Ryan57

23-07-2010, 10:46 AM

I've also noticed this. I'm loving Dave. I think he is brilliant. Loved on the live feed in the early hours of the other day, he starts talking about how Rachel is awful at making things for him. He mentioned he had a cup of tea with, in his words, 'grit and baccy' in it. :hugesmile:

Peter Plunker

23-07-2010, 10:57 AM

Eye_Spy

23-07-2010, 11:00 AM

stoney

23-07-2010, 11:01 AM

er.. haven't u been watching the show??? he slimed his way out of answer josies questions about gay marriage he thinks they are beneath him and its not acceptable

so one comment about his personal interpretation of the bible, that is shared by quite a few people but that really is an argument for another place rather than to be USED to score points against him, is enough to make him a homophobe and hating homosexuals rather than the lots of fun and interaction he actually has with the gay members in the house:conf:

when did he say that homosexuals were BENEATH him:conf: or is this another made up "fact" about dave too like the sending his kids to private school lie that keeps getting repeated:conf:

Claymores

23-07-2010, 11:02 AM

As Davina let slip a few years ago during an eviction when someone was really booed, she 'whispered' loudly dont worry, this is all a pantomime.

wake up smell the coffee.

She said that in reference solely to the vociferous crowd booing. Not an apt reference in the context of OPs crusade.

stoney

23-07-2010, 11:12 AM

And neither could Caoimhe - at worst it became a 'wardrobe malfunction' after Josie doused her with water. St Dave appeared to take the opportunity to sway the others it was something else........I strongly believe for the benefit of his own agenda of getting her nominated.

Caoimhe was drunk, or at least acting so , and was fooling around with her shirt wet and see thru and getting up close and personal with them in the bath tub. It was one of the times that Josie didnt like her behaviour and flirtations too as well as a good few other inmates who thought it inappropriate. Not just dave
.
the one in the loo with Andrew was a fecking disgrace that the editors showed it to try to give haters a "hypocritical", in their opinion, dave moment and was carefully editted into the HL at the correct time soon after dave's convo with a few when Caoimhe was running around drunk exhibiting herself in their( plural) opinion.
In the bedroom did you find it in any way sexual when dave showed his tan:conf: Do you honestly believe it had any sexual undertones:conf: Did any of the other inmates have any problem in any way about it:conf:
There are probably lots of times they could show us inmates in the toilet "exposing" their bits if they wanted to. Just like there are many times they could highlight seeing someone's bum when getting dressed but for some reason they only show dave's 2 times:nono:

WOMBAI

23-07-2010, 11:17 AM

er.. haven't u been watching the show??? he slimed his way out of answer josies questions about gay marriage he thinks they are beneath him and its not acceptable

He didn't want to talk about it again because he knew some were just looking for an argument and trying to put words in his mouth! Perfectly understandable!

stoney

23-07-2010, 11:18 AM

No I agree Josie was laughing about it,I don't think he was in anyway flaunting his arse.I just think his reaction off being really upset over catching a glimpse of Caoimhes breasts as fake now.
I mean he is always mentioning about his kids watching....I am sure they would me more upset about having to listen to other kids take the mickey about him having a 19 spray him with fake tan whilst his boxers are around his knees(doesn't matter that no females were present in that case as it was seen on national tv).

The other thing is we all know Corin wants to go topless in the garden but wont because she wants someone else to do it with her.Sunshine refused when asked..If one the new HM wants to go topless in the garden with Corin I really don't see Dave as getting upset over that.He's hardly likely to be bitching in the bathroom about them or asking BB to go home as he a married man

Dave would not have expected the andrew moment when they were puting the fake tan on to be shown. they were in the loo to get away from the women and they had been told that they would not show that type of shot from the loo.
I dont get your topless bitty tho:conf: Dave is now at fault for something that has not happenned and that probably wont unless they put keeley or a replacement in now:conf:

lime

23-07-2010, 11:59 AM

Dave would not have expected the andrew moment when they were puting the fake tan on to be shown. they were in the loo to get away from the women and they had been told that they would not show that type of shot from the loo.
I dont get your topless bitty tho:conf: Dave is now at fault for something that has not happenned and that probably wont unless they put keeley or a replacement in now:conf:

Come on now.
Dave after complaining about Caoimhe ,in fact actually acting upset over been able to see Caoimhe's breasts would not expect his own nudity to be shown.

They went into the loo to get away from the women????then why didn't he do the same the other evening when he was naked in front of women in the bedroom.And you know this for a fact do you..that they were told that BB would not show that type of shot from the loo.

It's BB ,of course he knows nudity will be shown LoL.

I never said Dave was at fault for anyone who goes topless.Please try to read post's before commenting.

I said I doubted Dave would have the same reaction towards Corin or any other HM who may go topless.In other word's I think he is a hypocrite.

Hope that eases all the confusion you seem to have.

Claymores

23-07-2010, 12:05 PM

Just like there are many times they could highlight seeing someone's bum when getting dressed but for some reason they only show dave's 2 times:nono:

Utter tosh - Dave already had his pants on that he was going to wear for the day - he chose deliberately to drop in in the presence of at least Josie (and I don't know who else). I can't even be bothered repeating my thoughts on his hipocrisy regarding public indecency issues which I outlined above.

WOMBAI

23-07-2010, 12:08 PM

psychtracker

23-07-2010, 12:12 PM

.. I wouldnt bother Clay.. you will go round and round in circles in this thread.. like I did when I replied yesterday OP only wants answers that agree with his opinion & thoughts ...

Cmon...fair's fair, you (and "fingers") hijacked this thread yesterday with an agenda to spread a Dave "hate campaign" and NOT to actually discuss the original topic which was related to Dave's edit on the HL show. I REPEAT - YOU WHERE NOT INTERESTED IN A RATIONAL DISCUSSION. I asked you on numerous occasions whether you felt he had received a good or bad edit and you failed to answer. End of story.

Claymores

23-07-2010, 12:14 PM

Come on now ...

Dave is not a youngster in his 20s - and knows that his bod is not as good as it probably was then - although clearly not ashamed of his body (he has no reason to be) he is unlikely to be deluded enough to want to salaciously show it off on public tv! It just doesn't ring true! Intent is the key!

You seem to be revising your tune - above you seemed to be conceding that Dave had wrongly classified Caimhe's behaviour as salaciousness (as opposed to my view that it was purely a malicious excuse to get her nominated).

Now you seem to be hinting she WAS somehow at fault for a 'wardrobe malfunction' because she is young and nubile (and on the other hand it's OK to dekiberately push his flabby ass out there cos nobody's interested anyway)?

WOMBAI

23-07-2010, 12:23 PM

You seem to be revising your tune - above you seemed to be conceding that Dave had wrongly classified Caimhe's behaviour as salaciousness (as opposed to my view that it was purely a malicious excuse to get her nominated).

Now you seem to be hinting she WAS somehow at fault for a 'wardrobe malfunction' because she is young and nubile (and on the other hand it's OK to dekiberately push his flabby ass out there cos nobody's interested anyway)?

I was not hinting she was at fault - just pointing out that whilst a young person in their prime with a good bod could possibly be accused of doing so salaciously (by Dave, or the general public), it seems unrealistic to make the same suggestion about an out of shape man of nearly 40! And that is leaving aside his religious views - which also make it unlikely!

stoney

23-07-2010, 12:23 PM

Come on now.
Dave after complaining about Caoimhe ,in fact actually acting upset over been able to see Caoimhe's breasts would not expect his own nudity to be shown.

They went into the loo to get away from the women????then why didn't he do the same the other evening when he was naked in front of women in the bedroom.And you know this for a fact do you..that they were told that BB would not show that type of shot from the loo.

It's BB ,of course he knows nudity will be shown LoL.

I never said Dave was at fault for anyone who goes topless.Please try to read post's before commenting.

I said I doubted Dave would have the same reaction towards Corin or any other HM who may go topless.In other word's I think he is a hypocrite.

Hope that eases all the confusion you seem to have.

do you honestly believe that the inmates expect their toilet moment to be shown on teh HL show:conf: that is why he should not expect the andrew one to be shown, altho it is under totally different circumstances than when cioamhe was cavorting around drunk in the bath and loo, as a good few had problems with that not just dave
the time in the bedroom was not in front of womEn, it was only Josie that was there from the women in the house. Did she see it in any way sexual:conf:Did any other inmate:conf:Did you:conf:

yep you THINK he is a hypocrit, altho why was he the only one not to be allowed to find caiomhe's titilation inappropriate, and are trying to use an imaginary scenraio to have a pop at him over it. I have no idea how he would react to topless sunbathing or walking about topless. i do know that if one of the girls got topless and was cavorting around the boys in a tight area like the bath he probably would have a problem with it as he is allowed and it would not be hypocrital simply cos it would be seen as sexual whereas neithe rof his two "nude" moments or mario's streaking has no sexual conatation, altho that is just my opinion.

thanks for clearing my confusion:spin:

MrWong

23-07-2010, 12:31 PM

You only hurt (or help) yourself. This last post 'may' have intended to make some kind of sensible 'positive statement' but I don't know if you know what you are trying to say.

If it makes you feel better - lets suppose I am daft and need you to rephrase that into some kind of 'positive statement'.
Not a random string of these "If something is this then why is another thing that hummm?" types of 'rhetorical questions'.

I know what i'm trying to say, if you don't know, tough!

lime

23-07-2010, 01:06 PM

do you honestly believe that the inmates expect their toilet moment to be shown on teh HL show:conf: that is why he should not expect the andrew one to be shown, altho it is under totally different circumstances than when cioamhe was cavorting around drunk in the bath and loo, as a good few had problems with that not just dave
the time in the bedroom was not in front of womEn, it was only Josie that was there from the women in the house. Did she see it in any way sexual:conf:Did any other inmate:conf:Did you:conf:

yep you THINK he is a hypocrit, altho why was he the only one not to be allowed to find caiomhe's titilation inappropriate, and are trying to use an imaginary scenraio to have a pop at him over it. I have no idea how he would react to topless sunbathing or walking about topless. i do know that if one of the girls got topless and was cavorting around the boys in a tight area like the bath he probably would have a problem with it as he is allowed and it would not be hypocrital simply cos it would be seen as sexual whereas neithe rof his two "nude" moments or mario's streaking has no sexual conatation, altho that is just my opinion.

thanks for clearing my confusion:spin:

I never said I found Dave's,Maroi's or Caoimhe's nudity sexual.

Dave was not complaining about sexuality ,he was complaining about nudity.

So yes he is a hypocrite.

And LOL at your description of Caoimhe whilst she was fully clothed,titilation,cavorting.