Dave The Christian!

[housemate]

He just had another outpouring of true Christian Spirit...
Ben was waffling on about being very worried because he didn't stand up when Andrew asked for 5 volunteers to leave the house (Andrews task to wind them up) Dave disputed that anyone could have Not understood what was being asked of them, he checked with Laura (to whom Ben claimed he was talking to at the time) to see if she realised that Andrew was asking for volunteeers to go; Laura said no because she was talking with Ben. Seeming satisfied, Dave said he wouldn't mention the incident to the other HMs, (Ben was most concerned that John James would make something of it) .... Dave went straight into the Garden to John James erc ..with the expess purpose of initiating a conversation about the two HMs who didn't stand ... 'didn't know what it was about, MY FOOT' and so on .. what a christian heart he truly has.. more like a snake in the grass, GET HIM OUT!!

[LaLaLand]

*Dave The Charlatan

[Patricia4]

I thought the same he could'nt wait to go talk about Ben in the garden what a friend he is.

[Kazanne]

He just had another outpouring of true Christian Spirit...
Ben was waffling on about being very worried because he didn't stand up when Andrew asked for 5 volunteers to leave the house (Andrews task to wind them up) Dave disputed that anyone could have Not understood what was being asked of them, he checked with Laura (to whom Ben claimed he was talking to at the time) to see if she realised that Andrew was asking for volunteeers to go; Laura said no because she was talking with Ben. Seeming satisfied, Dave said he wouldn't mention the incident to the other HMs, (Ben was most concerned that John James would make something of it) .... Dave went straight into the Garden to John James erc ..with the expess purpose of initiating a conversation about the two HMs who didn't stand ... 'didn't know what it was about, MY FOOT' and so on .. what a christian heart he truly has.. more like a snake in the grass, GET HIM OUT!!

Dave is getting as bad as JJ for ridiculing Ben which makes him worse as JJ is not his friend ,Dave was supposed to be.

[housemate]

I can't wait to see the back of Dave! I don't think Ben helps himself but I can't believe how much he is being Backstabbed by Dave and mario ... Atleast mario doesn't get all expense paid trips around the World on the back of an organisation who appear to scam societys most vunerable people all in the name of God!

[stoney]

He just had another outpouring of true Christian Spirit...
Ben was waffling on about being very worried because he didn't stand up when Andrew asked for 5 volunteers to leave the house (Andrews task to wind them up) Dave disputed that anyone could have Not understood what was being asked of them, he checked with Laura (to whom Ben claimed he was talking to at the time) to see if she realised that Andrew was asking for volunteeers to go; Laura said no because she was talking with Ben. Seeming satisfied, Dave said he wouldn't mention the incident to the other HMs, (Ben was most concerned that John James would make something of it) .... Dave went straight into the Garden to John James erc ..with the expess purpose of initiating a conversation about the two HMs who didn't stand ... 'didn't know what it was about, MY FOOT' and so on .. what a christian heart he truly has.. more like a snake in the grass, GET HIM OUT!!

can i ask the OP how he thinks a "christian" should act:conf:

what religion are the other inmates and do they act the way their religion dictates 24/7:sleep:

[housemate]

I don't think there is much Christianity in setting your friend up for a fall? Dave has many times this week offered up Ben to the other HMs, he isn;t a christian or a friend.

[WOMBAI]

can i ask the OP how he thinks a "christian" should act:conf:

what religion are the other inmates and do they act the way their religion dictates 24/7:sleep:

Good question!

[LaLaLand]

Dave probably mistook a bad trip from LSD as "seeing the light". Charlatan.

[stoney]

I don't think there is much Christianity in setting your friend up for a fall? Dave has many times this week offered up Ben to the other HMs, he isn;t a christian or a friend.

Dave, like all the inmates in there, is playing the game.
Is he the only one not allowed to :conf:

but how should he act as a christian and what religion are the others and should they act that way 24/7 too:conf:

Its just a shame people refuse to judge him solely on how he acts in the house, in the same way they judge all the others, rather than what their perception of him from a few utube moments:spin:

[housemate]

Good question!

Heres a surprise, two of Daves friends again ... if I were you I'd watch my back if you actually know this reptile in person!

[fingers]

He has Immunity from On High! After all he was chosen by God to go into the BB house, God told hm so! watch the revelation from St. Dave's own lips!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApPk51wI0

[housemate]

Dave, like all the inmates in there, is playing the game.
Is he the only one not allowed to :conf:

but how should he act as a christian and what religion are the others and should they act that way 24/7 too:conf:

Its just a shame people refuse to judge him solely on how he acts in the house, in the same way they judge all the others, rather than what their perception of him from a few utube moments:spin:

But thats is who he is portraying himself as ... are we supposed to look at the you tube clips and applaud him for it or see him boast about having a good life getting drunk on the Lord? .. I find that offensive in the name of all religeons!

[stoney]

Heres a surprise, two of Daves friends again ... if I were you I'd watch my back if you actually know this reptile in person!

why are being labelled dave's friends simply cos we dont like the hate of him simply for his views outside the house:conf:

I strongly believe he has the same rights to religious freedom we all do while totally disagreeing with his views.

I also think it has absolutely nothing to do with him being a contestant in the BB house and some people are very unfair to bring his outside stuff into it all the time to beat him with. Some of the other inmates have tried it but not for a wee while now altho jo has gone in with the gameplan to use it to stay in for a wee while

take the outside cr@p away and he is one of the better funny inmates in there now imo.

[stoney]

But thats is who he is portraying himself as ... are we supposed to look at the you tube clips and applaud him for it or see him boast about having a good life getting drunk on the Lord? .. I find that offensive in the name of all religeons!

did you look at all the utube clips about Shabby and Ben:conf:

are there any utube moments for any of the others and have you looked for them?

He believes his faith.
Is he really doing anyone any harm:conf:
Even the "curing" stuff is people who strongly believe this sort of thing too or people that are prepared to try anything they can. Is giving them a little hope, even if we think its false , so awful:conf:

Again I ask you how is a "christian" meant to act and what religion are the rest and should they act that way 24/7:conf:

[housemate]

Sorry, but if he wanted to go in the house as an ordinary Joe Bloggs he wouldn't within the past hour have claimed to gone in the house to get his views in the Media ... he wouldn't have walked in as a Monk, he wouldn't spout his nonsense about getting wasted on the Glory and as the friend he claims to be, he wouldn't keep trying to set Ben up for even more bad feeling from John and others!

[housemate]

I apologise if you two are just viewers who happen to like Dave but it seems that you both defend him even when he is obviously in the wrong.

[Beso]

Dave to win.

[Beso]

i apologise if you two are just viewers who happen to like dave but it seems that you both defend him even when he is obviously in the wrong.

but he's there to play the game and win, so he, in my eyes, is not in the wrong.

[stoney]

Sorry, but if he wanted to go in the house as an ordinary Joe Bloggs he wouldn't within the past hour have claimed to gone in the house to get his views in the Media ... he wouldn't have walked in as a Monk, he wouldn't spout his nonsense about getting wasted on the Glory and as the friend he claims to be, he wouldn't keep trying to set Ben up for even more bad feeling from John and others!

why:conf:

it is part of who he is.

But everyone else is solely judged on what they do IN the house. Dave is not . Is that fair:conf:

[housemate]

Funnily enough, dave is just telling everyone that :'old Rach sussed him out ... she got sucked in by the quiff'
Dave is continuing his hatchet job on Ben ... what an arse!

[stoney]

I apologise if you two are just viewers who happen to like Dave but it seems that you both defend him even when he is obviously in the wrong.

dave is probably just in my top 5 just ahead of JJ(original) now.

Its just I hate the daily anti-st dave threads and the way posters use his outside stuff because they are unable to judge him on what he says or does inside the house

[housemate]

Im judging him on being an arse as I write .. he is a snake who is really goading the othe other HMs to dislike Ben even more than tey do.
I also judge him for being a blatent hypocrite as far as his religion is concerned.

[stoney]

Im judging him on being an arse as I write .. he is a snake who is really goading the othe other HMs to dislike Ben even more than tey do.
I also judge him for being a blatent hypocrite as far as his religion is concerned.

so Ben and the rest can go around before noms strengthening their position but dave aint allowed to

please. i am really thick can you point out his hypocrasy for me cos I really think he does believe his views on religion.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

he swears, drinks? bitches, judges and gossips about people all the time..he's got a long way to go to be a proper christian, he's got faults to work on.

Has he claimed to be a faultless christian? They don't show much of him so i don't know.
Anyway there isn't such a thing as a faultless christian.

[stoney]

he swears, drinks? bitches, judges and gossips about people all the time..he's got a long way to go to be a proper christian, he's got faults to work on.

Has he claimed to be a faultless christian? They don't show much of him so i don't know.
Anyway there isn't such a thing as a faultless christian.

he only claims to be a christian not Christ himself so as such is allowed human frailties but not from some of his haters it seems:dance:

[fingers]

Sorry, but if he wanted to go in the house as an ordinary Joe Bloggs he wouldn't within the past hour have claimed to gone in the house to get his views in the Media ... he wouldn't have walked in as a Monk, he wouldn't spout his nonsense about getting wasted on the Glory and as the friend he claims to be, he wouldn't keep trying to set Ben up for even more bad feeling from John and others!

Ah, But he was chosen by GOD to enter the house, GOD told him so! it's all here:

hSApPk51wI0

[Kazanne]

Did they say anything about mario in all this?

Andrew asked for five volunteers, and said that five new housemates would enter from "a second house".

Corin, JJ, Josie, John James and David volunteered, while the other housemates, including Ben and Mario, stayed on the ground. John James and David both challenged Ben after the event, asking why he had not volunteered to leave so that new housemate JJ could stay.

John James and David continued to deride Ben for his actions throughout the afternoon, with the Australian saying: "[JJ'd] proven himself in two seconds, that's more than Benny's done in 47 days." The housemates laughed, with David adding: "He'll grow some stones one day. Rachel's seen through him." Rachel then joined in in ridiculing Ben, saying: "Yeah, the accent threw me. I was sucked in by the quiff."

[zotec]

hmmm. Im worried should Dave be nominated, he would have an unfair advantage to be kept in by all his brainwashed sloshfesters using donations for the phone calls.

[BJ]

I don't think there is much Christianity in setting your friend up for a fall? Dave has many times this week offered up Ben to the other HMs, he isn;t a christian or a friend.

Absolutely agree. I wish Ben would realize he's not a friend.

[ElProximo]

Ah, But he was chosen by GOD to enter the house, GOD told him so! it's all here:

hSApPk51wI0

The problem with you fingers is that you are inconsistent in your belief system. You insist Dave is 'faking this' and type the 'C word' at every chance,
yet,
you will also argue that David is a problem because he does believe in all his drunken glory God-ordained business.

He is not a 'Charlatan' or a fake and that video is exhibit A - he sincerely believes this nonsense and sooner or later you will realize that is no defense of David.
I'd feel better knowing he WAS a fraud. I am far more disturbed these people really DO believe it.

But here is more the problem/complaint with too many of these topics now:
- They are themselves higher-standard and 'hypocritical' judgments.
Example:
On any given day any human HM had a bad one, was aggravated and took a complaint to the others where it became 'gossiping' or 'back-biting'. OK.
But here some have decided that David gets held to one standard and attributed massive guilt,
yet,
would never apply it to anyone else in there.
"He said he was perfectly moral and therefore I caught him do some gossiping so therefore he is deemed evil, a liar, a fraud and a worthless human being!"

Housemate X does the same thing and: "did you hear so-and-so gossiping like that... that was out of order.. they annoy me now!"

Add to that people like fingers who do not grasp the most basic theological concepts and what a Christian might mean when they say they believe 'God put them there',
and,
add to this a handful of members who have such a hatred for Christianity that they can't get through a post without using David's 'unpleasant laugh' as all the excuse to declare their atheism beliefs the most righteously justified superior belief system on the planet.


hmmm. Im worried should Dave be nominated, he would have an unfair advantage to be kept in by all his brainwashed sloshfesters using donations for the phone calls.

I'm sure you were just being a bit cheeky but - if you were seriously complaining - this could be an example of 'double standards' though.
HMs have fans and supporters.
Some because they are from.. Manchester! Some get voting campaigns because people in their company/business rally for them.. every year it seems the 'girl power' rep is chosen and voted to the max,
and,
for example Steve could get a massive boost from military people rallying for him.
So if David has his core supporters then its no more 'fair or unfair' than anyone else with any other crowd behind them.

[fingers]

He's a Charlatan, oops, there I said it!!

[Late for the Party]

WHY DAVE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN LET INTO THE BB HOUSE:
Would they have put in an Islamic fundamentalist....not in a million years, would they put in a scientologist, nope. I'd even go as far as to say they wouldn't put in an ultra orthodox jewish person in there.....But a christian fundamentalist, hey no probs roll out the red carpet.
Its totally wrong, it causes conflict and breeds sectarianism, you can't denie it, i could link about 50 threads on this site alone.
Disregard weather you like him or dislike him, if only for the sake of balance, he shouldn't be allowed in there.
I'm not a "hater" of anyone, I'm not Atheist, I am Anti-theist

[Late for the Party]

Atheism.....the most righteously justified superior belief system on the planet.

Quoted for truth

[BJ]

Dave, like all the inmates in there, is playing the game.
Is he the only one not allowed to :conf:

but how should he act as a christian and what religion are the others and should they act that way 24/7 too:conf:

Its just a shame people refuse to judge him solely on how he acts in the house, in the same way they judge all the others, rather than what their perception of him from a few utube moments:spin:

I think the YouTube pieces say it all

[ElProximo]

WHY DAVE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN LET INTO THE BB HOUSE:
.....But a christian fundamentalist, hey no probs roll out the red carpet.
Its totally wrong, it causes conflict and breeds sectarianism,

but that answers your questions. He is in there because he practices a bizarre, strange Christianity which is known to be called 'shameful' to the Church at large and an embarrassing representation.

(they are definitely not 'fundamentalists' but that is beside the point i think).


I am Anti-theist

Well he is helping your cause.
I think you might be admired here because I think you are saying you don't want your cause winning points at 'any cost' or by contrived gimmicks like putting a David in there to promote antichristian sentiments?

[fingers]

He's a Charlatan!

[muchadoaboutnothing]

Dave is deffo the evil monk Rasputin of the house. Have you noticed how he is setting Ben up to be nominated - just the same as he done with Caoimhe (although she wasn't popular by many in there). I wouldn't be at all surprised if Ben gets a lot of nominations this week, all down to Dave.

[WOMBAI]

WHY DAVE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN LET INTO THE BB HOUSE:
Would they have put in an Islamic fundamentalist....not in a million years, would they put in a scientologist, nope. I'd even go as far as to say they wouldn't put in an ultra orthodox jewish person in there.....But a christian fundamentalist, hey no probs roll out the red carpet.
Its totally wrong, it causes conflict and breeds sectarianism, you can't denie it, i could link about 50 threads on this site alone.
Disregard weather you like him or dislike him, if only for the sake of balance, he shouldn't be allowed in there.
I'm not a "hater" of anyone, I'm not Atheist, I am Anti-theist

They would hopefully not have put an Islamic fundamentalist in (tantamount to a terrorist) but how do you know they wouldn't have put any of the others you mention in! Do you have a direct line to the producers or something? :nono:

I see no reason why a scientologist, an orthodox jew or anyone from most other religions couldn't/shouldn't go in - so no reason why Dave shouldn't be there!

[fingers]

Why would they put a Charlatan in?

[Livia]

WHY DAVE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN LET INTO THE BB HOUSE:
Would they have put in an Islamic fundamentalist....not in a million years, would they put in a scientologist, nope. I'd even go as far as to say they wouldn't put in an ultra orthodox jewish person in there.....But a christian fundamentalist, hey no probs roll out the red carpet.
Its totally wrong, it causes conflict and breeds sectarianism, you can't denie it, i could link about 50 threads on this site alone.
Disregard weather you like him or dislike him, if only for the sake of balance, he shouldn't be allowed in there.
I'm not a "hater" of anyone, I'm not Atheist, I am Anti-theist

Dave is not a fundamentalist.

[Late for the Party]

but that answers your questions. He is in there because he practices a bizarre, strange Christianity which is known to be called 'shameful' to the Church at large and an embarrassing representation.

(they are definitely not 'fundamentalists' but that is beside the point i think).



Well he is helping your cause.
It wasn't a question it was a statement and my point still stands: No religious preacher, regardless of which cult/sect/religion they belong to, should be allowed in there.
I am, also, not trying to win any points of any kind for any cause, i was just letting people know where i stand on the subject.
Yes it was a contrived gimmick, putting Dave in there, but if it was to premote anti-christian sentiments, is totally subjective. Christians would see it like this. I on the other hand don't, I reckon it was the producers being narrow minded, put him in for the shock value, but they never thought about the consequences i.e. promotion of a undeniably crazy sect of fanatics, who are attracting vulnerable, ex-drug addicts and alcoholics, and convincing them to pay up or Eff off.
I'm not anti-christian, i am anti religion, which is why, if i do have any cause, Dave is certainly not helping it.

[Colbert-Bump]

Dave to be runner-up!

[Late for the Party]

They would hopefully not have put an Islamic fundamentalist in (tantamount to a terrorist) but how do you know they wouldn't have put any of the others you mention in! Do you have a direct line to the producers or something? :nono:

I see no reason why a scientologist, an orthodox jew or anyone from most other religions couldn't/shouldn't go in - so no reason why Dave shouldn't be there!The wouldn't in my opinion......Why shouldn't dave be in there? in my opinion: It should be a totally secular show in my opinion

In the broad sense, fundamentalism may be used to describe Christians who are uncompromising, conservative and who take their beliefs to the maximum, with views too radical for the balanced, evangelical Christian. For this reason, fundamentalism may no longer be a term which accurately conveys what orthodox Christians really believe.

My point still stands

[Livia]

It wasn't a question it was a statement and my point still stands: No religious preacher, regardless of which cult/sect/religion they belong to, should be allowed in there.... etc. etc. etc.


I don't want to see anyone excluded from anything on the grounds of race, religious conviction, disability or gender. I think Dave's been a good housemate, even though some of his God stuff makes me cringe. He's not exactly been on a crusade in there. I've heard much more radical and objectionable stuff on here from his detractors.

[chuff me dizzy]

hmmm. Im worried should Dave be nominated, he would have an unfair advantage to be kept in by all his brainwashed sloshfesters using donations for the phone calls.

Dont worry ,they cannot be that many folks who are completely brainwashed/dead .and just think all the peoples families of folk he has charged £30 to pray for to get rid of their cancer will vote against him

[Late for the Party]

I don't want to see anyone excluded from anything on the grounds of race, disability or gender.
I agree with you, but not on the religious conviction. Religious conviction can be very dangerous, causes tension, breeds sectarianism, causes wars ect. ect.
My point still stands

[chuff me dizzy]

The problem with you fingers is that you are inconsistent in your belief system. You insist Dave is 'faking this' and type the 'C word' at every chance,
yet,
you will also argue that David is a problem because he does believe in all his drunken glory God-ordained business.

He is not a 'Charlatan' or a fake and that video is exhibit A - he sincerely believes this nonsense and sooner or later you will realize that is no defense of David.
I'd feel better knowing he WAS a fraud. I am far more disturbed these people really DO believe it.

But here is more the problem/complaint with too many of these topics now:
- They are themselves higher-standard and 'hypocritical' judgments.
Example:
On any given day any human HM had a bad one, was aggravated and took a complaint to the others where it became 'gossiping' or 'back-biting'. OK.
But here some have decided that David gets held to one standard and attributed massive guilt,
yet,
would never apply it to anyone else in there.
"He said he was perfectly moral and therefore I caught him do some gossiping so therefore he is deemed evil, a liar, a fraud and a worthless human being!"

Housemate X does the same thing and: "did you hear so-and-so gossiping like that... that was out of order.. they annoy me now!"

Add to that people like fingers who do not grasp the most basic theological concepts and what a Christian might mean when they say they believe 'God put them there',
and,
add to this a handful of members who have such a hatred for Christianity that they can't get through a post without using David's 'unpleasant laugh' as all the excuse to declare their atheism beliefs the most righteously justified superior belief system on the planet.




I'm sure you were just being a bit cheeky but - if you were seriously complaining - this could be an example of 'double standards' though.
HMs have fans and supporters.
Some because they are from.. Manchester! Some get voting campaigns because people in their company/business rally for them.. every year it seems the 'girl power' rep is chosen and voted to the max,
and,
for example Steve could get a massive boost from military people rallying for him.
So if David has his core supporters then its no more 'fair or unfair' than anyone else with any other crowd behind them.
I am not reading all this utter BS ,But will pull you up on one thing in the first couple of lines
HOW MANY PEOPLE HAS HE CURED OF CANCER ?
HOW MANY LIMBS HAS HE GROWN BACK ?
If the answer (and PLEASE dont even try to tell me he has ) to these question is NONE ,There is the proof of him being a conman and a Charlatan

[Colbert-Bump]

There are duped people everywhere. Just shows what deluded fools the so-called producers are in putting him in there where susceptible people will think he is for real:hugesmile:.

I DON'T THINK HE IS FOR REAL but I like him anyway.

[chuff me dizzy]

You really are a patronising jerk! Liking Dave as a hm does NOT mean people buy into his religious views - some are capable of separating the two on a tv game show! :sleep:

But DAVE doesnt separate the two, he has gone in there to con more money out of desperate people

[Livia]

I agree with you, but not on the religious conviction. Religious conviction can be very dangerous, causes tension, breeds sectarianism, causes wars ect. ect.
My point still stands

If Dave had been on some kind of crusade and demanded people act in a certain way because he's there, I might start to agree with you. But he hasn't. I think it's your own views, rather than Dave's, that causes tension, breeds sectarianism etc. etc. Dave seems to be very much a 'live and let live' kind of person.

[Peter Plunker]

HOW MANY PEOPLE HAS HE CURED OF CANCER ?
HOW MANY LIMBS HAS HE GROWN BACK ?
If the answer (and PLEASE dont even try to tell me he has ) to these question is NONE ,There is the proof of him being a conman and a Charlatan

Why ask a question if you won't accept the answer? Just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[chuff me dizzy]

Why ask a question if you won't accept the answer? Just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Answer it then

[Peter Plunker]

I already have as you well know.

[ElProximo]

I agree with you, but not on the religious conviction. Religious conviction can be very dangerous, causes tension, breeds sectarianism, causes wars ect. ect.
My point still stands

Your point doesn't stand. Just because you 'ASSERT VERY HARD' something doesn't make it wise or even reasonable.

I suggest you are an intellectual hypocrite who's personal subjective religious beliefs get in the way of reason.
Why?
In fact, atheism could be 'very dangerous', certainly causes tensions, breeds militant party loyalty (sectarianism) and cause the largest mass murders in human history,
yet,
you would not ask that anyone be barred from entering because, among other things, they believe in a godless Universe.

Bogus psychics, astrologers, believers in ghosts and mediums could cause a lot of tension, inflame people and take those beliefs to nefarious war and suffering. We know many core Nazis had their beginnings in these 'supernaturalism/astrology' cults,
yet,
we would not say that a HM who is a 'medium' or believes in ghosts and fortune-telling is barred from entering.

As for your 'antitheism' I would have to expect you are antigovernment too. After all - look at what has been done in the name of government!
Remember what government did in Italy?
It was because of dedication to government that Mao and other government believers starved people to death!
Government also causes a lot of tension and partisanship (sectarianism) and you cannot tolerate that right?

You also made a complaint about 'balance' and here I'd agree that David's worldview is not very representative of society at large or Christianity and is really a small fringe group,
but,
if you are worried about balance then we should see somewhere around 2/3 of HMs identifying themselves as 'practicing Christians' to some degree until 'believing there is some force up there' and to 'agnostics',
but,
if it was 'balance' we wanted then just a few would ever be 'atheists'.
In which case they should not be allowed in for those 1 or 2 Atheists could cause division, tension, bad feelings etc.
So you would not want them there I suppose?

[fingers]

When he gets out he is going to use the BB thing as HIS proof that God put him in there for a reason, He's not going to say that that reason was to recruit more deluded and brainwashed people for the Emerge Waleles cult is he now?

[Livia]

But so many more aren't.
Lets face it, we are all fairly thick skinned here, no-one on this forums are going to rush to Wales to join his sect, but what about the poor fools who actually do, time will tell what will become of them, i won't speculate, and probably not thing will happen, but no-one can be sure, and it is a risk putting him in there, His ego will be inflated 100% by the time he is realesed onto the public.

Which is why I probably shouldn't/wouldn't be allowed into the big brother house.

I come from a place where over a hundred languages are recognised, where Muslims put up Christmas trees and where Christians give their Hindu neighbours chocs and candles for Diwali. It's not always a love-in, but people mostly rub along together, and that's because they're not a mystery to each other. Religion is a reality, and by making things secular you're making it mysterious and separate from life.

[flamingGalah!]

Why ask a question if you won't accept the answer? Just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

So St Dave HAS cured cancer & grown back peoples limbs then?? Proof please... :xyxwave:

[flamingGalah!]

I'd like the names & contact details of the people he has cured & their GP's numbers too...

[Colbert-Bump]

Dave hasn't cured anybody & personally I couldn't give a s**t, still think he's a great housemate.

[muchadoaboutnothing]

I am not reading all this utter BS ,But will pull you up on one thing in the first couple of lines
HOW MANY PEOPLE HAS HE CURED OF CANCER ?
HOW MANY LIMBS HAS HE GROWN BACK ?
If the answer (and PLEASE dont even try to tell me he has ) to these question is NONE ,There is the proof of him being a conman and a Charlatan

Didn't the Mad monk Rasputin claim to cure Alexei (Tsar Nicholas only son) of hemophilia. All his powers (imagined) came to nothing. I can't help but think BBs own Friar Tuck might be related to Rasputin. Fancy telling Steve he could make his legs grow back, not to mention that he claims to cure people of cancer. Well we know what happened to Rasputin so I'm sure Dave will sooner or later be brought back down to earth.

[fingers]

Dave hasn't cured anybody & personally I couldn't give a s**t, still think he's a great housemate.

Even though hes's a charlatan preaching a false gospel of hope for cancer victims and amputees?

[chuff me dizzy]

I'd like the names & contact details of the people he has cured & their GP's numbers too...

Photos before and after ,and why didnt they sell their stories to the papers ? and why dont Drs all over the world send people to him to save the price of cancer treatment which is sky high and why are cancer research still doing research into finding a cure if all along there is a cure in a back bedroom in South Wales,and why did surgeons take of one of my boobs ,give me harrowing chemo and radiotherapy ,10 yrs of expensive drugs ? I may sue the National Health

[Peter Plunker]

So St Dave HAS cured cancer & grown back peoples limbs then?? Proof please... :xyxwave:

No. God does that. Don't know of any limbs growing back (yet) but at least one cancer. I've seen hundreds of healings over the years, everything from coughs and sneezes to aids and people getting out of wheelchairs, God is more than able. In fact my Wife was healed of diabetes insipidis and a crumbling pituitary gland, mri scans show it is restored.

As for proof, you either believe it or you don't but there have been thousands of documented healings.

[Colbert-Bump]

Even though hes's a charlatan preaching a false gospel of hope for cancer victims and amputees?

If people are dumb enough to believe all that rubbish, more fool them.

[chuff me dizzy]

No. God does that. Don't know of any limbs growing back (yet) but at least one cancer. I've seen hundreds of healings over the years, everything from coughs and sneezes to aids and people getting out of wheelchairs, God is more than able. In fact my Wife was healed of diabetes insipidis and a crumbling pituitary gland, mri scans show it is restored.

As for proof, you either believe it or you don't but there have been thousands of documented healings.

Do you mean the video of Dave in the wheelchair ? did he walk again ? Bechams powders cure colds ,not God and DAVE SAID ON NATIONAL TV HE HAD CURED CANCER

[fingers]

No. God does that. Don't know of any limbs growing back (yet) but at least one cancer. I've seen hundreds of healings over the years, everything from coughs and sneezes to aids and people getting out of wheelchairs, God is more than able. In fact my Wife was healed of diabetes insipidis and a crumbling pituitary gland, mri scans show it is restored.

As for proof, you either believe it or you don't but there have been thousands of documented healings.

The only one getting out of a wheelchair that I have seen is St. Dave himself, to have a laff with his mates over their latest "prank"

[Late for the Party]

Your point doesn't stand.
No my point is still valid

I suggest you are an intellectual hypocrite who's personal subjective religious beliefs get in the way of reason. What reason, there is no reason, and once again, i am not religious, i have NO RELIGIOUS BELIFES therfore none to "get in the way of reason" but feel free to suggest what ever you want, it doesn't make you right, its only your opinion

In fact, atheism could be 'very dangerous', certainly causes tensions, breeds militant party loyalty (sectarianism) which is why an outspoken athiest shouldn't be allowed into the BB house,


and cause the largest mass murders in human history,
False


Bogus psychics, astrologers, believers in ghosts and mediums could cause a lot of tension, inflame people and take those beliefs to nefarious war and suffering. We know many core Nazis had their beginnings in these 'supernaturalism/astrology' cults,
yet,
we would not say that a HM who is a 'medium' or believes in ghosts and fortune-telling is barred from entering.Yet no-one wants nazis in there, whats you point, I do think bogus psychics, astrologers and mediums should be barred from entry

As for your 'antitheism' I would have to expect you are antigovernment too. To a certian extent yes, i am, but thats not the conversation we're having



In which case they should not be allowed in for those 1 or 2 Atheists could cause division, tension, bad feelings etc.
So you would not want them there I suppose?Hey looks like we finally found something we can agree on

[Late for the Party]

I come from a place where over a hundred languages are recognised, where Muslims put up Christmas trees and where Christians give their Hindu neighbours chocs and candles for Diwali. It's not always a love-in, but people mostly rub along together, and that's because they're not a mystery to each other. Religion is a reality, and by making things secular you're making it mysterious and separate from life.
Thats a very good point, but in my opinion, religion is "very mysterious and separate from life" anyway, and has no place in a modern society, and it, without any shadow of a doubt, should not be trust onto a child from birth, which it is, and (in my opinion) is wrong.

[WOMBAI]

I'd like the names & contact details of the people he has cured & their GP's numbers too...

Do you think their GPs would give you any information? :sleep:

[Late for the Party]

Do you think their GPs would give you any information? :sleep:
Thats not the point he is making and you know it.
If i made a post saying shabby is back in th BB house, the first 5 responses would be "source" or "links or it didn't happen"
So Peter Plunker i say too you, with great pleasure
PROOF OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN

[Livia]

Thats a very good point, but in my opinion, religion is "very mysterious and separate from life" anyway, and has no place in a modern society, and it, without any shadow of a doubt, should not be trust onto a child from birth, which it is, and (in my opinion) is wrong.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I have elderly relatives who lived through the Holocaust, and many more died as a result of it. I believe that only by learning to understand and accept each other and allowing each person the freedom to choose can we avoid it happening again.

[fingers]

It didn't happen, that is pretty obvious in spite of the spin that certain people ( actually the usual Suspects) put on it!

[ElProximo]

Thats a very good point, but in my opinion, religion is "very mysterious and separate from life" anyway, and has no place in a modern society, and it, without any shadow of a doubt, should not be trust onto a child from birth, which it is, and (in my opinion) is wrong.

Fascinating. (well.. maybe not) but you certainly have a unique way of looking at life.
I say you still have a huge problem with 'cognitive dissonance' (not a problem if it doesn't bother you I suppose) but here is the problem;
You want to called some things as 'wrong' and have them disallowed.
Fair enough,
yet,
you then make it clear there is no way for which to measure what is 'wrong' or 'right'.
This can 'double up on itself' at each turn because you would have to agree that BB's 'opinion' or 'choice' to put David in the house is no more or less valid than your own.

Suit yourself but I'd have to believe this kind of convoluted thinking has to lead to your eventual insanity.
Well not before self-medicating along the way right?

[Late for the Party]

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
Agreed

only by learning to understand and accept each other and allowing each person the freedom to choose can we avoid it happening again.
Also i agree 100%, but that hypothetical new born child dosen't have the power to say no when getting baptised, thats really the point.

Now of course, when they grow older the do have the power to say no and reject what they have been told, but that rarely happens, and even then its not fair, because hypothetical teenager, dosen't have a totally unbiased view on life and religion, because they have already been indoctrinated into whatever religion, therefore can't make an un-biased decision.

Its just a subject i feel strongly about, and i don't mean to offend anyone.

I mean in every town in this country (Ireland) parents have a choice weather to send there child to either a Catholic or Protestant school. They have no other choice, even if your Muslim, Jewish, Rasta, whatever. Once you get into secondary school its mixed, but the divide is still there, Catholic's sit at the back of the class room, Protestant's sit at the front. This is basically where my HATE(<strong word) for anything religious came from.
Therefore i do accept that my view is totally biased, but no-one here (yet) has provided un-biased view of the situtation.

[Late for the Party]

Fascinating. (well.. maybe not) but you certainly have a unique way of looking at life.
I say you still have a huge problem with 'cognitive dissonance' (not a problem if it doesn't bother you I suppose) but here is the problem;
You want to called some things as 'wrong' and have them disallowed.
Fair enough,
yet,
you then make it clear there is no way for which to measure what is 'wrong' or 'right'.
This can 'double up on itself' at each turn because you would have to agree that BB's 'opinion' or 'choice' to put David in the house is no more or less valid than your own.

Suit yourself but I'd have to believe this kind of convoluted thinking has to lead to your eventual insanity.
Well not before self-medicating along the way right?Look put me on ignore if you don't want my opinions to offend you, but don't stoop so low as to call me a drug user, you basically just lost the argument.
Well actually no....you lost it when you said this "We know many core Nazis had their beginnings in these 'supernaturalism/astrology' cults,
yet,
we would not say that a HM who is a 'medium' or believes in ghosts and fortune-telling is barred from entering.
Godwin's law ElProximo, ever heard of it?
Now if your going to be so childish as to call me a drug user and a hypocrite, without any merit, let me be so childish as to say :dance:I WIN:dance:
Get over yourself, its only my opinion, if it offends you so much, you should probably try pulling your head out of your arse or atleast clean your glass stomach or how about "self medicating" yourself......chill pill anyone

[psychtracker]

No religious preacher, regardless of which cult/sect/religion they belong to, should be allowed in there.

Do you believe that a politician should be allowed in the BB house?

[Livia]

Also i agree 100%, but that hypothetical new born child dosen't have the power to say no when getting baptised, thats really the point.... etc. etc. etc.



I do understand your argument, and I get the whole separation thing in Ireland. I wish there was an easy answer but there isn't. It's good we've been able to debate it without resorting to insults, which is what usually happens, unfortunately.

[Late for the Party]

Do you believe that a politician should be allowed in the BB house?
It totally depends to be honest. Why? Galloway shouldn't have went in full stop, but weather he should be allowed in or not is another thing. However the Nick Griffins and Ian Paiselys and Gerry Adam's of this world should clearly be disallowed

[Late for the Party]

It's good we've been able to debate it without resorting to insults, which is what usually happens, unfortunately.

My feeling exactly, anyway it was nice chatting to all of you (yea even you ElProximo) but i'm off to watch the highlights) Cyall

[ElProximo]

Look put me on ignore if you don't want my opinions to offend you, but ...

Hang on.. according to your said principles this means YOU should not participate in the forum.
IF you are offending people with your opinion. You should be disallowed from sharing them.
Right?

[Late for the Party]

Hang on.. according to your said principles this means YOU should not participate in the forum.
IF you are offending people with your opinion. You should be disallowed from sharing them.
Right?
Nope sorry buddy another incorrect assumption. As long as it not in breach of terms and conditions, I have every right to express my opinions. Ignore function is there for a reason. Why, have i offended you?
Livia and I, can agree to disagree, how about me and you do that because this conversation is going absolutely nowhere anymore.

[chuff me dizzy]

Did you hear the freak say tonight hes baptisting Rachel and Jo this week ? Andrew asked him if he was qualified to do it he said "YES OF COURSE"correct me if im wrong ,but like hell he is ,Thats like me or you doing it? no way !! Jo`s Dad will be spitting feathers ,hes a PROPER Minister watching his daughter been raked in to aid and abet a conman

[Shasown]

Did you hear the freak say tonight hes baptisting Rachel and Jo this week ? Andrew asked him if he was qualified to do it he said "YES OF COURSE"correct me if im wrong ,but like hell he is ,Thats like me or you doing it? no way !! Jo`s Dad will be spitting feathers ,hes a PROPER Minister watching his daughter been raked in to aid and abet a conman

That is quite wrong, the RC church accepts that baptism, administering communion, receiving confessions, and administering the last rites, even performing marriages(while it wouldnt be legally recognised afterwards) can be performed by anyone in special circumstances. These include imminent death of a new born, marooned in some desolate place without a priest etc.

Even in other religions, lay ministers can and do perform baptisms. Some cite the Example of John the Baptist baptising Jesus as authority. A few of the Born Again churches allow normal people to batise others.

Besides if you start off your own religion even if it is christian based, and claim most other christian churches are wrong in the way they administer their religion, you can decide whats allowed.

[Peter Plunker]

Any Christian can baptise someone.

[Late for the Party]

Any Christian can baptise someone.

Ahh Peter. Any sign of that PROOF.....let me guess

[Shasown]

Ahh Peter. Any sign of that PROOF.....let me guess

Its only wiki but if you scroll down to the paragraph entitled "Who may administer a baptism"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism#Mode_and_manner

[flamingGalah!]

I think I may advertise my services in the local paper to perform weddings, funerals etc... as any old druggie or pisshead can do it...

[Late for the Party]

Its only wiki but if you scroll down to the paragraph entitled "Who may administer a baptism"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism#Mode_and_mannerSorry i ment about the curing cancer thing

[ElProximo]

Nope sorry buddy another incorrect assumption. As long as it not in breach of terms and conditions, I have every right to express my opinions. Ignore function is there for a reason. Why, have i offended you?
Livia and I, can agree to disagree, how about me and you do that because this conversation is going absolutely nowhere anymore.

Oh no.. you are confused. I am referring to YOUR rules that YOU would have enforced.
YOU expressed how YOU would not have David (and others) who cause tension, offense, division etc.. how YOU don't think those types should be allowed to participate.

Now here we are in a 'virtual house' and YOU are concerned about causing divisions, offending me, causing tension.
IF that is the case then why don't YOU follow YOUR OWN RULES?
Not mine.
Not the forums.
IF you were consistent then YOU would stop participating.

Or is it just your principle for OTHER people or certain people but you don't apply it to yourself?
Seems that way.

[Shasown]

Sorry i ment about the curing cancer thing

I dont think that will be very forthcoming, do you?

Does he turn water into wine as well?

[flamingGalah!]

Oh no.. you are confused. I am referring to YOUR rules that YOU would have enforced.
YOU expressed how YOU would not have David (and others) who cause tension, offense, division etc.. how YOU don't think those types should be allowed to participate.

Now here we are in a 'virtual house' and YOU are concerned about causing divisions, offending me, causing tension.
IF that is the case then why don't YOU follow YOUR OWN RULES?
Not mine.
Not the forums.
IF you were consistent then YOU would stop participating.

Or is it just your principle for OTHER people or certain people but you don't apply it to yourself?
Seems that way.

Still not making much sense eh? Oh well I'm sure Dave will pray for you... :xyxwave:

[Late for the Party]

we are in a 'virtual house'
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha

[Late for the Party]

Still not making much sense eh? Oh well I'm sure Dave will pray for you... :xyxwave:
Its so entertaining isn't it. Its actually crazy how many tangents that person went off on, over the course of this thread.

[ElProximo]

Still not making much sense eh? Oh well I'm sure Dave will pray for you... :xyxwave:

It describes something that doesn't make sense. Late's thinking. So you got just as far as 'being confused' and then decided to just do some high-fiving with the ****** over it all.

Don't worry. Both of you got 'pwned' hard in this thread. The fact you don't know why or how and just think 'crazy tangents' happened actually shows how thick you are.
Maybe its better you don't understand it.

[Late for the Party]

Don't worry. Both of you got 'pwned' hard in this thread.
You are getting funnier and funnier, say something else so everyone can have a good laugh at you. Its one opinion versus another opinion, no-one wins......your just showing us how much of a child you really are.......Face it, your in denial, you heard a few home truths, so you resorted to insulting everyone who disagreed with you. I feel a little bit sorry for you if i'm honest

Ahhh shur anyway...of course your right...you have god on your side after all.......anyway flamingGalah!, fingers ect....I'll save you all a place in hell....hahahahahahaha

[chuff me dizzy]

Any Christian can baptise someone.

Why did you disappear when we were sat with baited breath waiting for the proof that Dave has cured cancer as he claimed he has ? I will wait again ,but hurry up please ive jobs to do ........:sleep::bored:

[chuff me dizzy]

I dont think that will be very forthcoming, do you?

Does he turn water into wine as well?

Go wash your mind out :shocked::shocked::shocked: of COURSE he does ,how else does he get p1$$ed daily with not a drop of the hard stuff ...some folks eh Peter :shocked: they are doubting your leader :shocked::joker:

[crit]

Still not making much sense eh? Oh well I'm sure Dave will pray for you... :xyxwave:


Oh thanks, phew, I thought it was just me. I really cant make sense of this guys ramblings. I did think English was his 2nd language but its more than that. The majority of his posts are tortuous to read and make very little sense.


:kiss:

[fingers]

Let us not forget WHO put St. Dave in the House. GOD did, as St. Dave explains in this Vid. GOD also TOLD him he was opening the BB house door for hm!
hSApPk51wI0

:joker::devil::joker:

[Livia]

I think I may advertise my services in the local paper to perform weddings, funerals etc... as any old druggie or pisshead can do it...


"There is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents." Luke 15:8

You people really need to learn to live and let live. This discussion is going nowhere and will end up with someone losing their temper.

[fingers]

"There is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents." Luke 15:8

You people really need to learn to live and let live. This discussion is going nowhere and will end up with someone losing their temper.

"Get yer tits out if ya want Airtime" Rebecca 1:1

[Livia]

"Get yer tits out if ya want Airtime" Rebecca 1:1

I find you freakin' offensive at times, fingers.

Incidentally, genius, there is no book of Rebecca in the Bible. Which kind of shines the light on your perspective of this whole argument.

[fingers]

I find you freakin' offensive at times, fingers.

Incidentally, genius, there is no book of Rebecca in the Bible. Which kind of shines the light on your perspective of this whole argument.

Webecca MAY have said that to Wukey!

[MojoNixon]

So what if he is christian? Every liberal a*swipe would be kissing his butt if he was muslim.

[Livia]

Webecca MAY have said that to Wukey!

Try to follow the thread, fingers.

[fingers]

Try to follow the thread, fingers.

Don't try to be patronising, it doesn't suit you.

[Livia]

Don't try to be patronising, it doesn't suit you.

I'm not trying to be patronising, I was being frank. When I'm being patronising you will be in no doubt.

[chuff me dizzy]

So what if he is christian? Every liberal a*swipe would be kissing his butt if he was muslim.

VERY true ,but if he was a "normal" run of the mill Christian (Like Cameron ) I wouldnt have a problem but hes not ,he is in a dodgy sect/cult who cons innocent people ,THIS is wrong

[Late for the Party]

The majority of his posts are tortuous to read and make very little sense.
Indeed, he actually PM'd me wondering why i didn't dignify his last ridiculous post with a response. (the one where he compared, an internet forums to the BB house).
He even went as far as to call here a "virtual house" yet he is surprised when people laugh at him.
Hey, ElProximo the next time your in the "virtual" kitchen will you put the "virtual" kettle on. I would do it but I'm too busy having a "virtual" crap, on your "virtual" bed. (relaxing "virtual" sphincter as we speak):xyxwave: