Is it wrong to have a gameplan?

[yellowzebra8]

I've heard it so many times here on BB forums and digital spy and the rest... the second most common accusation (after being 'fake') is having a gameplan. People react as if having a gameplan = you're a bitch = want to win. Wanting to win is a cardinal sin when it comes to Big Brother apparently and means you've got a gameplan.
What's so bad about that?
The whole show IS A GAME.
It's just like playing football with a strategy. Is that bad? No. So why is this?
Do people expect 93 days of people not wanting to win 100k? Not trying to win our approval? Not trying to avoid being nominated week after week?
You NEED a gameplan to win a gameshow... thats the point of a gameshow! TO WIN.

What are your thoughts?

[skkc16]

It is if you play with other people's feelings like john is doing with josie. In fact I think it's only right when everyone's knows you haves gameplan e.g. Victor and Rex not wen you've got half the viewers believing you're for real

[Niamh.]

It is if you play with other people's feelings like john is doing with josie. In fact I think it's only right when everyone's knows you haves gameplan e.g. Victor and Rex not wen you've got half the viewers believing you're for real

If that's what John James is doing then it is wrong but you are only assuming that he is. I mean why do you think he doesn't fancy her? He's spent practically all his time with her in there, he got really upset when they fell out (which looked pretty genuine to me), all the evidence is there to support the fact that he does actually fancy her.

[skkc16]

If that's what John James is doing then it is wrong but you are only assuming that he is. I mean why do you think he doesn't fancy her? He's spent practically all his time with her in there, he got really upset when they fell out (which looked pretty genuine to me), all the evidence is there to support the fact that he does actually fancy her.

Yes he was upset coz he loves but he is not in love with her he does not fancy, josie is/was like a sister to him and I remember last week he said he'd never looked at her that way but now he is saying I've always fancied you, it doesn't add up, he is playing a clever game and it seems to be working but he hasn't got me fooled

[Visage]

It is if you play with other people's feelings like john is doing with josie.

.........But how can you be really sure he is manipulating Josie for his own gain.


From what I can gather, he could be genuine. Josie is his best mate and if she went, I believe he would walk.

I really don't think he is using Josie, but as said above, I can't be sure.

No one can be truly sure how the mind of a housemate works. You can only go on what you see, and one person's perception isn't the same as another person.

[Braden]

Not really, considering it is a gameshow.

[Niamh.]

Yes he was upset coz he loves but he is not in love with her he does not fancy, josie is/was like a sister to him and I remember last week he said he'd never looked at her that way but now he is saying I've always fancied you, it doesn't add up, he is playing a clever game and it seems to be working but he hasn't got me fooled

I'm sure his goal isn't to fool you anyway so that's ok! Peoples feelings can change though, it's happened to me before, you like some one as a person but the thought of romance doesn't enter your head until the other person expresses feelings and then you do start thinking about it.

[yellowzebra8]

It is if you play with other people's feelings like john is doing with josie. In fact I think it's only right when everyone's knows you haves gameplan e.g. Victor and Rex not wen you've got half the viewers believing you're for real

But having a gameplan comes with such a bad reputation and smart housemates KNOW that to have a gamplan means you'll be hated = not win.
I doubt the real clever ones actually admit to it, when they know how negatively it comes across. A good gameplan has got to be undetectable, but now everyone is accused of it and so its impossible to do that. Neither Victor or Rex won, partly because I believe they were so vocal about having a gameplan. I loved them for playing the game, but I wish they'd done it in a more subtle way, then they might just have won.

[Angus]

I've heard it so many times here on BB forums and digital spy and the rest... the second most common accusation (after being 'fake') is having a gameplan. People react as if having a gameplan = you're a bitch = want to win. Wanting to win is a cardinal sin when it comes to Big Brother apparently and means you've got a gameplan.
What's so bad about that?
The whole show IS A GAME.
It's just like playing football with a strategy. Is that bad? No. So why is this?
Do people expect 93 days of people not wanting to win 100k? Not trying to win our approval? Not trying to avoid being nominated week after week?
You NEED a gameplan to win a gameshow... thats the point of a gameshow! TO WIN.

What are your thoughts?

I did a thread on this ages ago - EVERYONE has a gameplan, of course they do. EXCEPT that some of them don't try to fool the public with fauxmances and storylines, or ride roughshod over other people's feelings in order to get to the prize.

JJ1 has the best gameplan at the moment based on his encyclopaedic knowledge of all the other BBs so he knows what works and doesn't work. However, what I find unforgiveable is that those of us not deluded enough to believe his crock of sh*t are being deprived of the show we should have had, instead we are lumbered with interminably boring HLs shows featuring the dreary JJ&J fauxmance, and LF which lingers on heaving duvets and the incomprehensible and tedious mumblings of these two camera *****s. Furthermore, he insults our intelligence by suggesting he is "real", "honest", and "genuine". FFS, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

If he wins BB11 it is a very sad note for it to go out on - the biggest travesty ever.

[Visage]

Yes he was upset coz he loves but he is not in love with her he does not fancy, josie is/was like a sister to him and I remember last week he said he'd never looked at her that way but now he is saying I've always fancied you, it doesn't add up, he is playing a clever game and it seems to be working but he hasn't got me fooled

You can love someone and not be in love, but that doesn't mean you can't fall in love with them over a period of time.

When we date, we experience different emotions, it is possible not to see the signs when they are.

[Niamh.]

Sorry but the people accusing John James of having this elaborate game plan make me laugh, one minute you're saying he's thick as a ditch and the next he's some kind of evil genius!

[lime]

Yes he was upset coz he loves but he is not in love with her he does not fancy, josie is/was like a sister to him and I remember last week he said he'd never looked at her that way but now he is saying I've always fancied you, it doesn't add up, he is playing a clever game and it seems to be working but he hasn't got me fooled
Did you actually hear him say that he has always fancied her or are we just going on what Josie has said ...and we all now how good she is at telling porky pies ??

Anyway nothing wrong in having a gameplan IMO as long as it doesn't involve hurting or using other people.

[as90]

I don't see it as a gameplan more protecting yourself from being manipulated this is usually seen as people having a gameplan, give most people in there a chance and they will roll all over yu so you have to keep your guard up.

[Visage]

If he wins BB11 it is a very sad note for it to go out on - the biggest travesty ever.


In your opinion.


That doesn't mean others won't be happy.

If John James won this series, I would be over the moon and believe that it will be the best ending for the show.


However, that is my opinion.

[Angus]

If that's what John James is doing then it is wrong but you are only assuming that he is. I mean why do you think he doesn't fancy her? He's spent practically all his time with her in there, he got really upset when they fell out (which looked pretty genuine to me), all the evidence is there to support the fact that he does actually fancy her.

He also has serious mental issues, evidenced by statements he, himself, has made about behaviours he engages in which are not normal. Josie is his safe ride to the final, (pick on average girl, reel her in, ignore the goodlooking ones, public will think you're not shallow, coast to the final blah blah blah), and so many people have fallen for it. Watch him dump the dozy cow the minute he collects his cheque and cleans up on the mag deals.

[smudgie]

Next to it being a reality show, BB is a gameshow, so no problem with anyone having a gameplan. However, you have to be careful how you play it out. If you play the viewers for fools or play with other housemates feelings then it is out of the door as soon as we get the chance.:xyxwave:

[skkc16]

Did you actually hear him say that he has always fancied her or are we just going on what Josie has said ...and we all now how good she is at telling porky pies ??.

yes I'm going on what josie said just like everyone else is doing

[Niamh.]

He also has serious mental issues, evidenced by statements he, himself, has made about behaviours he engages in which are not normal. Josie is his safe ride to the final, (pick on average girl, reel her in, ignore the goodlooking ones, public will think you're not shallow, coast to the final blah blah blah), and so many people have fallen for it. Watch him dump the dozy cow the minute he collects his cheque and cleans up on the mag deals.

you may right but it's a very cynical view of it imo. I personally think that yeah he does seem to be a bit emotionally damaged, I wouldn't go so far as to say mental issues but so is Josie and I think they compliment eachother and I've said that from the start, they're both on opposite extremes to eachother and I think they could help eachother be better people if they met in the middle.

[skkc16]

Sorry but the people accusing John James of having this elaborate game plan make me laugh, one minute you're saying he's thick as a ditch and the next he's some kind of evil genius!

Well seeing as I have never accused him of being thick that's a silly point to make. And that gameplan isn't hard to play so it matters not whether he is actually thick or not

[yellowzebra8]

Yes he was upset coz he loves but he is not in love with her he does not fancy, josie is/was like a sister to him and I remember last week he said he'd never looked at her that way but now he is saying I've always fancied you, it doesn't add up, he is playing a clever game and it seems to be working but he hasn't got me fooled

How is that bad? Leading Josie on is nothing to do with a gameplan. If he was going to feign a romance why wouldn't he do it with someone who will obviously sell magazines, someone like Rachael. Josie isn't quite 'Nuts' material whereas Rachael is, to be playing the game in that way you'd have a showmance with the prettiest girl!
I reckon its quite genuine and common for him to be fancied by girls, but he said himself that he 'changes his mobile a lot because girls he's met at clubs keep ringing him'. He isn't aware that he's leading these girls on, and usually runs away from one girl and goes to the next. In a house like this he can't run away. Josie is the girl that keeps 'ringing' him after a great night of cuddling and chatting. He can't 'change his mobile' in there. That's why he tried to escape yesterday.
Interestingly he said "I can't do it to her." THAT was probably the gameplan side coming out. Suddenly he seems caring and naive! "Poor John! He doesnt want to hurt her!! Aww!" is the desired effect, it's working a treat!
What he really wants to do is run.
I find that side of him a horrible trait, to lead girls on is nothing to do with a big brother gameplan - its something he's always done.
I hope he STAYS on friday just so he has to deal with himself for another week.

[psychtracker]

I agree, that there's way too much over-analysis on gameplan/fakeness etc... The reality is, if you walk into a party or live in a share house with 11 other strangers, dynamics occur whereby certain people gravitate toward others. It's VERY hard to fake 93 days, for example - pretending to like one particular person, that you actually dislike or to disguise major character traits within your own personality.

[Niamh.]

Well seeing as I have never accused him of being thick that's a silly point to make. And that gameplan isn't hard to play so it matters not whether he is actually thick or not

Well seeing as I didn't direct that point to you it's not really.

[yellowzebra8]

I agree, that there's way too much over-analysis on gameplan/fakeness etc... The reality is, if you walk into a party or live in a share house with 11 other strangers, dynamics occur whereby certain people gravitate toward others. It's VERY hard to fake 93 days, for example - pretending to like one particular person, that you actually dislike or to disguise major character traits within your own personality.

Wow! You speak the truth!
I think accusations like 'you've got a gameplan' and 'you're fake' are just reasons to dislike someone. This nation is intent on hating everyone with a flaw. It's such a shame as our flaws make us unique and something to improve on!

[lime]

yes I'm going on what josie said just like everyone else is doing

Ah well if everyone else is doing it then it must be true:crazy:

[DavinamcCaw]

It is if you play with other people's feelings like john is doing with josie. In fact I think it's only right when everyone's knows you haves gameplan e.g. Victor and Rex not wen you've got half the viewers believing you're for real

John is playing with Josie's feelings...:laugh2:

That's the best joke today.

[skkc16]

Ah well if everyone else is doing it then it must be true:crazy:

I'll believe it until there is evidence to say that josie is lying

[Shiner]

Apparently having a gameplan is fully expected in other countries but here in the UK we prefer a more honest approach to the game - seen by people considered to have a gameplan often accused of being fake.
I'd absolutely love it if we had a HM who acted a certain way in front of the house but then went back to the DR and openly admitted to us that they had a gameplan and kept us updated with what they were going for and what actions the were going to take. But sadly none of them are good enough to keep that sort of deception up long enough.
Apart from constantly ingratiating themselves to others (this year is rediculously bad for it) most "gameplans" talked about are actually just negative character traits explained away in the context of the game.

[yellowzebra8]

Apparently having a gameplan is fully expected in other countries but here in the UK we prefer a more honest approach to the game - seen by people considered to have a gameplan often accused of being fake.
I'd absolutely love it if we had a HM who acted a certain way in front of the house but then went back to the DR and openly admitted to us that they had a gameplan and kept us updated with what they were going for and what actions the were going to take. But sadly none of them are good enough to keep that sort of deception up long enough.
Apart from constantly ingratiating themselves to others (this year is rediculously bad for it) most "gameplans" talked about are actually just negative character traits explained away in the context of the game.

If anyone did that (which would be amazing!) then they would get absolutely slated. They'd be called every name under the sun, be booed harshly and hated. From this they'd have no life outside the house, I doubt they'd get a job anywhere or find a partner.
Its just become to be like this, when if you are smart enough to twist a gameshow then you'd be brandished fake and a gameplayer :(
What a shame!

[Shiner]

If anyone did that (which would be amazing!) then they would get absolutely slated. They'd be called every name under the sun, be booed harshly and hated. From this they'd have no life outside the house, I doubt they'd get a job anywhere or find a partner.
Its just become to be like this, when if you are smart enough to twist a gameshow then you'd be brandished fake and a gameplayer :(
What a shame!

I think they'd be a hero because of their honesty (to us) and would have a chance at winning.