thread aimed to those who enjoy to analyse

[Hope-x]

Okay, like Sir drama crab-eyes John James himself, I enjoy to analyse and interpret peoples behaviour in successfully understanding them better, however, I am struggling with John James.


On the one hand, he is suffering with some kind of case of bi-polar and constantly changes his mind about Josie and his affections toward her, OR on the other hand he is infact playing the game and is doing this constant changing his mind to attract attention and cause us all to enjoy watching his crazy emotions and thus making good tv. He does always seem to be in shot, I have almost forgotten the other housemates. He does have the highest IQ (or so I read on here) and i'm not altogether surprised, you can tell hes intelligent. But I mostly am trying to work out if he is:

a) Playing the game and is a very good actor and is planning on using big brother as his audition tape for neighbours.
b) Inlove with Josie and doesn't want to start stuff on TV because hes a private person and doesn't want to make a show of his romance
c) ACTUALLY does liken his and Josie's relationship to Caoimhe and Shabbys.

Please do not share your opinion if it is merely 'john dont lyk josie coz she iz fat' -because that useless and incorrect.

[charmingmissc]

B

[Shiner]

The guy has spend weeks in very close proximity to a master manipulator who has isolated him from everyone else and told him over and over what to think about himself, how he feels about others and when to take a $hit, no wonder his head is mince.

[GypsyGoth]

I think out of your options b is the most accurate.

He has low self esteem dispite his good looks and does come across as a somewhat shy person when it comes to sex.

Part of his problem is that he is easilly wound up by others. Ben in the nest mentioned the Caoimhe/Shabby comparison today (in the HL show), and he later said it to Josie.

Also I don't believe he is bipolar, I think he suffers from paranoia, he admitted to recording all his friends conversations, like who does that?

[Beso]

I think his bio on the c4 homepage should be read by everyone, especially the "i would do anything to win" part.

IMO actor, perhaps with an earplug under the hat.

[Jords]

I think it could be C.

This is because I think John James is very aware that he is leading Josie on, he wants to lead her on because it will gain him a lot of air time (which has proven to have worked), and also because hes going for the girl unlucky in love, rather than some tart, which will make him look very good.

However hes realised that his situation is similar to Shabby and Caoimhe's, with him taken up Caoimhe's role which naturally is the worst of the two as she was the one leading on, and Shabby the one who got hurt, which Josie fits as. Hes now in fear that he'll look bad and will boost Josie's chances on winning sky high, so has pulled out and now needs to decide if he will get with her or tell her straight that they are only friends, and stop the fumbling about. Seems hes gone with option 1, as it comes with lots of juicy air time and showmances often are popular.

[ibook4113]

(firstly i think it is worth considering everyone on the show exaggerates their personality in their VT and everyone who goes on the show would like to win)

I think B. Low self esteem + paranoia = teased by people (which he says has happened) + probably hurt by friends (which must have happened otherwise he wouldn't feel as though he should record his freinds' conversations).

He reminds me of Stuart from last year who was attractive and had said that he worked out to make himself look different and better than when he was teased at school. Just think, if JJ didn't have muscle, he would be soooo skinny, he excursuses and worries about his appearance because his has self image issues which spawn from low self esteem and low confidence in himself, which were caused by teasing in earlier life. [we are all a product of our childhood] (stress on IN HIMSELF, he can appear confident with things not about himself)

[Livia]

I specifically asked for people who arent opinionated, so please go and abuse someone else.

If people have an opposing viewpoint to your own, it doesn't mean they are not opinionated. And I didn't detect any abuse in angus's post.

My own opinion is that JJ doesn't know what he wants. He doesn't love Josie, even though he keeps saying it, and he certainly isn't interested in her physically. However, he is ultra-aware of the cameras and wants to make sure they stay on him. The bi-polar comment is way off track.

[Cigarpain]

interesting posts here.
sometimes i forget he is insecure, he hides it so well.

[AtomicKitty]

A

[the-gaffer]

Possibly B

Although I think he could have just accidently gotten so close to her that he has dug himself into a hole he can't get out of and thinks far to much of her to hurt her in anyway shape or form

[Beso]

It's a tough one, what I can't work out is the fact he tells everyone he has these strong feelings for her and so forth, yet tonight he was saying "sorry, i can't do it to you josie "as he walked out the house..what I want to know is what can't he do to her?

Is he following a pre ordained story line, is he a mole, an actor or what..something just doesn't ring true..

the way he droops his head when he isn't leading the conversation as well draws suspicion from me, it's like he's ashamed of whats around the corner...whats that about!! grr, I wish I knew..


But that "i'm sorry josie" statement has really annoyed me, because he obviously does like her so much that he doesn't want to hurt her,but how will he hurt her if they had already agreed that it's not the right place for anything to happen?

..so to me it's like he has something planned further down the line that he doesn't want to do!!

[watchinittoomuch]

I've seen him described as schizophrenic, has Asperger's Syndrome, psychotic, sociopath, and now bi polar.

It's dead interesting how out of all the housemates he is the one that so many people feel the need to diagnose...well it is to me anyway....he'll never come anywhere near Shabaz for me in terms of 'issues'...

[ibook4113]

It's a tough one, what I can't work out is the fact he tells everyone he has these strong feelings for her and so forth, yet tonight he was saying "sorry, i can't do it to you josie "as he walked out the house..what I want to know is what can't he do to her?

He meant he didn't want to upset her.

[Gillian-73]

A! But, he didn't reckon on josie being equally manipulative and getting into his head! I think hes playing the game as is she!

[Shasown]

Sorry I didnt really read the title of the thread and thought it was for people who liked anal sex. My mistake, too many glasses of wine.

[Claymores]

Benny is an annoying effete queen - that is my analysis

[Claymores]

:hug:

Gie the effete queen Ben a cuddle simon?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Gie the effete queen Ben a cuddle simon?

awww i would love to cuddle ben :hug:

[fizzy]

The thing I like about John James is He's in it to win it, he's loyal to his mum, he's a scrappy little survivor.

Go JJ! JJ FTW

[Lucy.]

B

But I don't think he isn't making a move because he's a private person, I think he's ashamed to be seen dating a fatlass to be perfectly honest.

[InOne]

Okay, like Sir drama crab-eyes John James himself, I enjoy to analyse and interpret peoples behaviour in successfully understanding them better, however, I am struggling with John James.


On the one hand, he is suffering with some kind of case of bi-polar and constantly changes his mind about Josie and his affections toward her, OR on the other hand he is infact playing the game and is doing this constant changing his mind to attract attention and cause us all to enjoy watching his crazy emotions and thus making good tv. He does always seem to be in shot, I have almost forgotten the other housemates. He does have the highest IQ (or so I read on here) and i'm not altogether surprised, you can tell hes intelligent. But I mostly am trying to work out if he is:

a) Playing the game and is a very good actor and is planning on using big brother as his audition tape for neighbours.
b) Inlove with Josie and doesn't want to start stuff on TV because hes a private person and doesn't want to make a show of his romance
c) ACTUALLY does liken his and Josie's relationship to Caoimhe and Shabbys.

Please do not share your opinion if it is merely 'john dont lyk josie coz she iz fat' -because that useless and incorrect.

He is bascially emotionally immature and lost independence, confidence and developed low self esteem due to his dads death. He basically see's Josie as a mother figue. She is pushing it and trying to turn it into something sexual, which it really isn't. Also JJ's Dad used to get jealous of the relationship between JJ and his mum, now think on that... ;)

Edit: Nice avatar Hope-x :love:

[red]

today's HL JJ1 looked like he was auditioning for some Shakespearean play iwas LMFAO at his bad acting:joker:, to me he's clearly playing a game which is to hog BB airtime (by keeping on the showmance with josie) JJ doesnt give a **** about money or winning he just wants to be famous. IMO of course & dont expect you JJ fans to agree with me:xyxwave:

[Julesuk]

Yeah at last a sensible post about John James. I have been trying to analyze him as well but if you put anything positive on here you just get a barrage of John haters. I think he is very insecure, I think in the real world he probably would have run all his feelings by his mother, and is struggling with them, I think he is not experienced when it comes to woman and think that because josie is not your sterio typical woman he is attracted to her. He was talking quite openly about sex at the beginning of BB and this seems to be an area that he may not have much experience in and if he does truly have feelings for josie he may be worried about how he comes across. I dont think he is leading her on but is worried about what people on the outside may think about how he is handling the situation. He certainly has issues and imagine at some point in his life has been seriously let down hence the trust issue. He is an only child, his father unexpectantly dying he is probably very very close to his mother - it may all relate to this. I dont think he is gay but I do think if JJ was in at the beginning we would have seen a different side to John, I wonder if he initally clung to josie because of his paranoia.

[ibook4113]

Yeah at last a sensible post about John James. I have been trying to analyze him as well but if you put anything positive on here you just get a barrage of John haters. I think he is very insecure, I think in the real world he probably would have run all his feelings by his mother, and is struggling with them, I think he is not experienced when it comes to woman and think that because josie is not your sterio typical woman he is attracted to her. He was talking quite openly about sex at the beginning of BB and this seems to be an area that he may not have much experience in and if he does truly have feelings for josie he may be worried about how he comes across. I dont think he is leading her on but is worried about what people on the outside may think about how he is handling the situation. He certainly has issues and imagine at some point in his life has been seriously let down hence the trust issue. He is an only child, his father unexpectantly dying he is probably very very close to his mother - it may all relate to this. I dont think he is gay but I do think if JJ was in at the beginning we would have seen a different side to John, I wonder if he initally clung to josie because of his paranoia.

I Completely Agree (although i would add low self esteem and paranoia into the things that make him insecure). He said so. she mothered him like a puppy at the beginning, and he said that he only trusted her. So yes, that is why he gravitated to her at the beginning.

[Hope-x]

In other words - people who agree with you - not one for debate then! :sleep:

That is definately not what I meant. I just mean, if your already convinced you LOVE john james, or HATE him, then what you have to say is completely useless! I wanted to hear from people who usually get beaten down when they suggest a new idea.

[LKSmith2]

Anybody else think he isn't psychologically fit for the house? It just seems that being enclosed in the same space really gets to him at times.

[Shiner]

Anybody else think he isn't psychologically fit for the house? It just seems that being enclosed in the same space really gets to him at times.

I don''t blame him, Josie's been mucking about with his head for weeks.

[Livia]

He is bascially emotionally immature and lost independence, confidence and developed low self esteem due to his dads death. He basically see's Josie as a mother figue. She is pushing it and trying to turn it into something sexual, which it really isn't. Also JJ's Dad used to get jealous of the relationship between JJ and his mum, now think on that... ;)



Not so much Big Brother as Oedipus Rex.

I think you summed it up quite nicely there InOne.

[ibook4113]

Anybody else think he isn't psychologically fit for the house? It just seems that being enclosed in the same space really gets to him at times.

I agree but i think quite alot of people would feel this way. It is a place that looks very easy but really it is very challenging. In particular i think it is his paranoia that makes it difficult for him in there.

[LKSmith2]

I don''t blame him, Josie's been mucking about with his head for weeks.

Exactly. There are similarities with Freddie and Bea last year. When people mess with your head in that house, there is no escape. I don't think I would be able to spend months in that house anyway!

[Niamh.]

hhhhhmmmmmmmmm, I'm really not sure tbh. He is very hard to figure out and this is why I enjoy watching him. I find him so interesting. And for that reason he's my favourite HM, it's a TV show after all and he intrigues me and is keeping me interested in the show. If I had to choose right now, I would say that he is confused and un sure of what his feelings for Josie are.


Great thread btw!

[ibook4113]

Exactly. There are similarities with Freddie and Bea last year. When people mess with your head in that house, there is no escape. I don't think I would be able to spend months in that house anyway!

Yeh, that is an interesting comparison. Because Bea was quite a game player and she definitely lead Freddie one, who really seemed to genuinely like her. It is a shame i detested Freddie because i would have felt sorry for him otherwise.

I am under the impression you mean Bea is Josie and Freddie is John James?

[walter]

I think its NOT a game plan. Josie fancys him a lot. He really really likes her as a friend.

The issue is the way josie goes about things when he upsets her. She says everythings fine and walks off. He NEEDS to talk about it and get it sorted. otherwise it makes him go insane and he panics she may be put off him. He is very insecure. It's not his fault it just how he is. Needs reassuring all the time and him going out of the fire exit was to get attention from housemates and to stop him and make him feel better. It was for the housemates NOT the public. However when he was talking to the producers who were telling him to go back in and was crying, i believe that bit was real again.

All josie needs to do is talk to him and sort the problem out when there is one. She plays him though as she LOVES him groveling for forgiveness hence why she gets in moods with him. Then makes him feel loved. She is in total control.

[Shiner]

hhhhhmmmmmmmmm, I'm really not sure tbh. He is very hard to figure out and this is why I enjoy watching him. I find him so interesting. And for that reason he's my favourite HM, it's a TV show after all and he intrigues me and is keeping me interested in the show. If I had to choose right now, I would say that he is confused and un sure of what his feelings for Josie are.

Great thread btw!

I agree. The conflict in his mind is between what he actually feels about her and what he has been repeatedly badgered into feeling over the last few weeks about her. Even militarily trained guys have a breaking point when they are put under such repeated coercion, just imagine what state his pea-brain is in.

[Hope-x]

ah, but now another twist, what about him saying that he 'feels the same way' to josie and was 'denying it' ? and the kiss?!

[LKSmith2]

Yeh, that is an interesting comparison. Because Bea was quite a game player and she definitely lead Freddie one, who really seemed to genuinely like her. It is a shame i detested Freddie because i would have felt sorry for him otherwise.

I am under the impression you mean Bea is Josie and Freddie is John James?

Yeah just the way that they are bothing playing with there heads a bit. Both Freddie and JJ look as if they suffer from some form of paranoia. In an enclosed enviroment where you literally can't get away from it that can only enhance the situation.

[Niamh.]

ah, but now another twist, what about him saying that he 'feels the same way' to josie and was 'denying it' ? and the kiss?!

again a tough one, is he so fed up of her punishing him for not reciprocating her feelings that he's decided his life would be easier to just give in, or did he genuinely not want to start something in there in case it's just the house environment playing tricks with his emotions and head?????

I'm going to watch how he is behaving with her, his body language and stuff before I make a call on that one! What do you think?

[charmingmissc]

again a tough one, is he so fed up of her punishing him for not reciprocating her feelings that he's decided his life would be easier to just give in, or did he genuinely not want to start something in there in case it's just the house environment playing tricks with his emotions and head?????

I'm going to watch how he is behaving with her, his body language and stuff before I make a call on that one! What do you think?

this is what i have been doing.

so that i can make up my own mind.

[Shiner]

ah, but now another twist, what about him saying that he 'feels the same way' to josie and was 'denying it' ? and the kiss?!

Coercion.

[Hope-x]

again a tough one, is he so fed up of her punishing him for not reciprocating her feelings that he's decided his life would be easier to just give in, or did he genuinely not want to start something in there in case it's just the house environment playing tricks with his emotions and head?????

I'm going to watch how he is behaving with her, his body language and stuff before I make a call on that one! What do you think?

I'm not sure she has been punishing him, has she? I don't think he would think that, he is strong, although emotional. He wouldn't give up or be beaten down even by her. He loves her.. I think.. lol I will also watch more body language stuff, he is so interesting and complicated. I think i'd be gutted if he left on friday :S I'd like to continue to try and work him out!

[Niamh.]

I'm not sure she has been punishing him, has she? I don't think he would think that, he is strong, although emotional. He wouldn't give up or be beaten down even by her. He loves her.. I think.. lol I will also watch more body language stuff, he is so interesting and complicated. I think i'd be gutted if he left on friday :S I'd like to continue to try and work him out!

well, If you remember on 2 occasions now he's almost walked because Josie wasn't happy with him over something so this is what I mean by punishing him. He obviously does take it very hard when she is annoyed with him. I do hope that he has feelings for her but I'm trying to be objective and not let the romantic notions blind my judgement!!

[Julesuk]

I am so glad I am not the only one who watches him to try and work him out - some on this forum think you are an obsessed little girl when you comment positively about John, I am actually a 50 year old grandmother and I love BB this year because of him but not because of his looks etc etc because I like to try and analyze the housemates and he is definitely one of the most intriguing for a long time, I also get annoyed when people say its playing to the cameras and staged - he becomes so distraught at times I really cant help but feel for him, I really hope he comes through this show ok and manages to build on his self esteem from it.

[Hope-x]

well, If you remember on 2 occasions now he's almost walked because Josie wasn't happy with him over something so this is what I mean by punishing him. He obviously does take it very hard when she is annoyed with him. I do hope that he has feelings for her but I'm trying to be objective and not let the romantic notions blind my judgement!!

No, me too! But I just cant believe that someone would be like that if they didnt love them, its too much..

[Julesuk]

My other reasoning is that if he went into the house for the experience he travelled a long way to be there unless he really has fallen for Josie he would have distanced himself he has sort of put all his eggs in one basket and isolated himself with her for quite a lot of the time - I think he hasnt had feelings like this before and is battling with them in his own head maybe he should really have a long chat to JJ or one of BB - maybe he has in the diary room because he certainly seems to have accepted the fact that Josie and him are more than friends.

[Niamh.]

No, me too! But I just cant believe that someone would be like that if they didnt love them, its too much..

Well I don't think the fact that he loves her is in question really, he obviously really does, the question is, is it platonic or romantic???

[InOne]

Not so much Big Brother as Oedipus Rex.

I think you summed it up quite nicely there InOne.

Why thank you :D

[BJ]

Possibly B

Although I think he could have just accidently gotten so close to her that he has dug himself into a hole he can't get out of and thinks far to much of her to hurt her in anyway shape or form

This is absolutely what I think. I think he actually fancies Corin but his chance with her has gone.

[JEJ]

I think Josie is like JJ's comfort blanket, he doesn't feel he can really identify with anybody else in there, he ventures out now and again to interact with others and then runs back to a 'safe' place (ie substitute mum Josie's arms) afterwards. I agree we might have seen a very different JJ1 if JJ2 had been in from the start (though I think JJ2 is a plant, do any of them remember him from the time they spent together before the show?)

I was hoping that when he got out of bed to check on Keeva he'd realised how much Josie manipulates everyone but I don't think he has. I believe he genuinely would have left the house if they hadn't stopped him, the thought of being in there without his comfort blanket was just too much for him.

[BJ]

Yeah at last a sensible post about John James. I have been trying to analyze him as well but if you put anything positive on here you just get a barrage of John haters. I think he is very insecure, I think in the real world he probably would have run all his feelings by his mother, and is struggling with them, I think he is not experienced when it comes to woman and think that because josie is not your sterio typical woman he is attracted to her. He was talking quite openly about sex at the beginning of BB and this seems to be an area that he may not have much experience in and if he does truly have feelings for josie he may be worried about how he comes across. I dont think he is leading her on but is worried about what people on the outside may think about how he is handling the situation. He certainly has issues and imagine at some point in his life has been seriously let down hence the trust issue. He is an only child, his father unexpectantly dying he is probably very very close to his mother - it may all relate to this. I dont think he is gay but I do think if JJ was in at the beginning we would have seen a different side to John, I wonder if he initally clung to josie because of his paranoia.

I also think if JJ had been there from the start the thing with Josie wouldn't have happened

[Hope-x]

Okay, so on last nights show!

Josie was making me cringe a little, I didn't think dressing up in a wedding dress was the right thing to do! Although, she did make it a little comedic which made it slightly better. But more importantly John James' behaviour. He ruffled her hair, said 'isnt she gorgeous' and then snuggled her under the covers and gave her a biiiig kiss! Then later he went into the diary room and said that the most important thing to him is Josie and his relationship.. if hes playing a game he really should do something with his acting career because its very convincing.
I just wonder if he will go back home after BB or.. not?

[JEJ]

The thing that struck me about last night's show was how miserable he looked. I think he's done what he perceives to be the 'right' thing for Josie and I think he's regretting it big time.

I really do think he'll walk now.

[Hope-x]

The thing that struck me about last night's show was how miserable he looked. I think he's done what he perceives to be the 'right' thing for Josie and I think he's regretting it big time.

I really do think he'll walk now.

I disagree, although, he did look miserable to begin with, which I decided was him being tired. I thought he seemed unusually happy throughout the program even with being up for eviction!

[ibook4113]

Did anyone see the behaviouralist on BBLB. She was describing that John James has high emotional lability, meaning that he doesn't entirely understand his emotions - it is the reason he ends up getting very angry or very upset, because he is unsure of what he is feeling.
(Ben by comparison has very low emotional lability, because he understands his emotions, which i means he can be more in control of his reactions to emotions whether they are strong or weak)
It means that while JJ(1) likes Josie, he is still unsure about how he really feels about her. The behaviouralist said that at the moment he sees her very much as a safe person who he can rely on.

What do you think of her observations?

I think that he views Josie as a safe person at the moment, but i think that it could change depending on how comfortable or uncomfortable he feels in the house. I do think John James really cares for her very much, although i am still not sure how much Josie cares about JJ(1).

[fizzy]

Did anyone see the behaviouralist on BBLB. She was describing that John James has high emotional lability, meaning that he doesn't entirely understand his emotions - it is the reason he ends up getting very angry or very upset, because he is unsure of what he is feeling.
(Ben by comparison has very low emotional lability, because he understands his emotions, which i means he can be more in control of his reactions to emotions whether they are strong or weak)
It means that while JJ(1) likes Josie, he is still unsure about how he really feels about her. The behaviouralist said that at the moment he sees her very much as a safe person who he can rely on.

What do you think of her observations?

I think that he views Josie as a safe person at the moment, but i think that it could change depending on how comfortable or uncomfortable he feels in the house. I do think John James really cares for her very much, although i am still not sure how much Josie cares about JJ(1).


I agree with you. maybe he's in denial?

[Niamh.]

Did anyone see the behaviouralist on BBLB. She was describing that John James has high emotional lability, meaning that he doesn't entirely understand his emotions - it is the reason he ends up getting very angry or very upset, because he is unsure of what he is feeling.
(Ben by comparison has very low emotional lability, because he understands his emotions, which i means he can be more in control of his reactions to emotions whether they are strong or weak)
It means that while JJ(1) likes Josie, he is still unsure about how he really feels about her. The behaviouralist said that at the moment he sees her very much as a safe person who he can rely on.

What do you think of her observations?

I think that he views Josie as a safe person at the moment, but i think that it could change depending on how comfortable or uncomfortable he feels in the house. I do think John James really cares for her very much, although i am still not sure how much Josie cares about JJ(1).

I think that people say that JJ is leading Josie on but I don't believe she feels any where near for him as he does for her. When he's distressed she seems more bothered about how she looks because of it than his well being where as he really seems to worry about her more.

[fizzy]

I think that people say that JJ is leading Josie on but I don't believe she feels any where near for him as he does for her. When he's distressed she seems more bothered about how she looks because of it than his well being where as he really seems to worry about her more.

That's true. such a shame for John James if true.

[Showstopper]

I think we'd all agree that its really one of two options here. Either John James views Josie in a romantic way or he doesn't. For me the easiest way to explain his behavior is to work backwards. Once you do (in my own humble opinion) the only explanation is that he does indeed have romantic feelings for her

Working from the point of view that he does have romantic feelings for her I believe his behavior can be explained by simple paranoia. Relationships are tough enough in the real world, but for these two you have a few hundred camera's, a few million people, and their friends and family thrown into the mix. Of course John James is paranoid.

Firstly as he has stated on many occasions, he believes the house environment to be fake. This is a fair statement and quite frankly one I agree with. Once out of the house environment, his or Josies feelings could change once back in the real world. Remember they have never been around each other in a normal environment. Because of this he does not want to enter into a relationship within the house, only for it to fall apart once they leave with possibly one or both of them getting hurt, or embarrassed in the process. Lets face it how many BB relationships have stood the test of time

Secondly he has no idea what Josie (or anyone else, but in particular Josie herself) is saying in the diary room. I don't think he believes that she would slag him off or anything, but again, in a show like this their will always be a slight nagging doubt at the back of your mind making you a little paranoid. Can you imagine the embarrassment for him (or anyone) if he was telling her he loved her, was prepared to leave the show rather then upset her, and she was in the diary room calling him a plank

Thirdly, speaking as a man myself, I have never seen a girl affect a guy to this extent before where he was not romantically interested in. Looking at them they act like a couple, when they "snuggle" and when they argue. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its probably a duck

Now if we look at it from the point of view that John James is not romantically interested in her, for me, his behavior, body language and everything else simply doesn't add up.

[Niamh.]

Great post showstopper, makes sense to me. Like I said before if it is all part of an elaborate game plan for John James then he needs to get himself to Hollywood!!

[Beso]

Thing is though, when they come out the house, JJ's going to australia, josie is going to bristol..Surely as adults they can see there is no future in the relationship, so what is infact the point in not doing anything until outside the house.

[Niamh.]

Thing is though, when they come out the house, JJ's going to australia, josie is going to bristol..Surely as adults they can see there is no future in the relationship, so what is infact the point in not doing anything until outside the house.

Didn't he say he wanted to live in England though?

[Showstopper]

Great post showstopper, makes sense to me. Like I said before if it is all part of an elaborate game plan for John James then he needs to get himself to Hollywood!!

Thanks. Yes agreed, nobody could keep up an act for that long under 24 hour supervision

Thing is though, when they come out the house, JJ's going to australia, josie is going to bristol..Surely as adults they can see there is no future in the relationship, so what is infact the point in not doing anything until outside the house.


Didn't he say he wanted to live in England though?

Yes he said he would like to live in England. Ultimately he will be in England post show for all the various BB related stuff that goes on. People move all the time, its not really an obstacle if thats what they want considering they will financially benefit from the BB experience

[Beso]

Didn't he say he wanted to live in England though?

yes he did, but the conversation I listened to between them insinuated that he was going back to australie because he was asking if she would come over..and then the whole thing with corin saying it costs three grand to post a letter just confirmed it for me..who really knows though!.:conf:

[Niamh.]

yes he did, but the conversation I listened to between them insinuated that he was going back to australie because he was asking if she would come over..and then the whole thing with corin saying it costs three grand to post a letter just confirmed it for me..who really knows though!.:conf:

well no doubt he'll be staying in England for a while after BB anyway, so you never know what could happen...............(not that I'll give a crap once they're not on my telly anymore!!)

[Showstopper]

yes he did, but the conversation I listened to between them insinuated that he was going back to australie because he was asking if she would come over..and then the whole thing with corin saying it costs three grand to post a letter just confirmed it for me..who really knows though!.:conf:

His intention as of right now is probably to go back to Australia. But relationships and oppertunities can change intentions very quickly.

He's hardly going to come out and say that he wants to move to England to be with a girl he's not even going out with.

[Showstopper]

Just a quick point on what I was saying in terms of John James's worry over whats being said in the diary room.

When Laura came into the house and said to Josie that John James had said he was worried about leading her on etc in the diary room I thought once Josie confronted him his response was very interesting:

In terms of him saying in the diary romm that he did not view her romantically he said something along the lines of.... he saw her like a sister then he added (almost as a defence)......... "That was weeks ago" - The only reason that the comment "That was weeks ago" would have any relevence to what was being discussed would be if his opinion has since changed. Otherwise the "That was weeks ago" comment makes absolutely no sense

In terms of things being said in the diary room, he stressed numerous times that he would never say anything to slag her off or embatass her in the diary room. Again in my opinion he said this a few times not only to convince Josie but also for reassurance. While he said he was looking straight at her, and making eye contact. He was obviously looking for the "Neither would I" response