Dave In His Wheelchair

[housemate]

Sorry to all those that have aready seen this but I hadn't, caught it on DS earlier today and am still sick to my stomach!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBkgdKiSzx0&feature=related

[housemate]

PS is it 'cos he is fat dat he is in da Chair?

[WOMBAI]

Sorry to all those that have aready seen this but I hadn't, caught it on DS earlier today and am still sick to my stomach!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBkgdKiSzx0&feature=related

Go away - we have all seen them a million times now! Boring! :sleep:

[starry]

Not even watching it. I judge him by how he is in the house. Other things are just out of context and from the past and I'm not judging people on things like that.

[housemate]

Well I hadn't and quite frankly unless you have a warrant I'll darn well post what I like!

[WOMBAI]

Well I hadn't and quite frankly unless you have a warrant I'll darn well post what I like!

You darn well do that! :sleep:

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Evict him next week then, this week Ben needs to go.

[housemate]

Not even watching it. I judge him by how he is in the house. Other things are just out of context and from the past and I'm not judging people on things like that.

Totally agree with you however he went into the House as a Monk, when he leaves he'll be back to 'healing' ... that IS who he is now, before and after!

[housemate]

You darn well do that! :sleep:

LOL!:xyxwave:

[fingers]

If it doesn't fit with his act in the BB House, then the "Glory" group just deny it actually happened!! lol

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[Beso]

It's hilarious...post some more please.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not even watching it. I judge him by how he is in the house. Other things are just out of context and from the past and I'm not judging people on things like that.

so if i posted a youtube of JJ" calling black people scum and n****** you would not bother?

[fingers]

It's hilarious...post some more please.

The site is littered with them, just do a SEARCH for Dave or St. Dave.

His "Glory" group will have apoplexy if I post more on this thread, alternatively search You Tube using Emerge Wales or David Vaughan that's where HE posts them!! lol

[Beso]

I bet most off you laughed at the jackass sketches that involved wheelchairs.

[housemate]

I have a certain amount of sneaky admiration for anybody who is so obviously reprehensible (in and out of the house) and get away with it.
I wonder how you would feel if someone close to you was in a desperate state ie either ex druggie/alcohic or seriously ill, was taken to the cleaners financially and or spiritually by this guy?
Why is it that because he does it to people not connected to you, it's not equally devastating?

[Beso]

The site is littered with them, just do a SEARCH for Dave or St. Dave.

His "Glory" group will have apoplexy if I post more on this thread, alternatively search You Tube using Emerge Wales or David Vaughan that's where HE posts them!! lol

Form yourself into the middle didget, straighten it out and look in a mirror,

i've seen them, he brings hope to a lot of young people who need a bit of guidance in their lives, he makes god fun.

[fingers]

I have a certain amount of sneaky admiration for anybody who is so obviously reprehensible (in and out of the house) and get away with it.
I wonder how you would feel if someone close to you was in a desperate state ie either ex druggie/alcohic or seriously ill, was taken to the cleaners financially and or spiritually by this guy?
Why is it that because he does it to people not connected to you, it's not equally devastating?

It is because he is such an hilarious and entertaining HOUSEMATE! lol :joker:

[fingers]

Form yourself into the middle didget, straighten it out and look in a mirror,

i've seen them, he brings hope to a lot of young people who need a bit of guidance in their lives, he makes god fun.

Do you get pleasure from insulting people you don't know?

I take it you meant digit??????

[Beso]

Do you get pleasure from insulting people you don't know?

Just you.:xyxwave:

[fingers]

Just you.:xyxwave:

you are simply pathetic.

[Beso]

you are simply pathetic.

better than boring mate, thats what you have been doing with your constant force feeding of the forum:sleep:

[housemate]

Form yourself into the middle didget, straighten it out and look in a mirror,

i've seen them, he brings hope to a lot of young people who need a bit of guidance in their lives, he makes god fun.

Does he do this for free? As you are so close to him you should both set up a charm school ... another good moneyspinner, the bonus being you could learn alot from it!

[billy123]

how boring this must be the tenth time you have posted this crap why have they disabled the star system it used to warn against moronic posts.

[Beso]

Does he do this for free? As you are so close to him you should both set up a charm school ... another good moneyspinner, the bonus being you could learn alot from it!

Good luck to him if he's making money out of it..after seeing his home it doesn't look like he's making that much.


Shame people can't take jokes on this forum mind!

[fingers]

How GOD broke the news to St. Dave that He (GOD) was going to open the BB Doors for St. Dave to spread the word!

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[housemate]

:nono:how boring this must be the tenth time you have posted this crap why have they disabled the star system it used to warn against moronic posts.:nono:

You have either mistaken me for someone else or you are deluded.... its the first link I've EVER posted on this forum!

[fingers]

:nono::nono:

You have either mistaken me for someone else or you are deluded.... its the first link I've EVER posted on this forum!

It makes it easy to recognise the "Glory" Groupies.

[housemate]

Shame people can't take jokes on this forum mind![/QUOTE]

You're not doing too bad .. lots of people mistake you for one and yet still respond to you rants!

[Beso]

Shame people can't take jokes on this forum mind!

You're not doing too bad .. lots of people mistake you for one and yet still respond to you rants!

:joker:


see, it's not hard is it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

oh the Glory

[WOMBAI]

I have a certain amount of sneaky admiration for anybody who is so obviously reprehensible (in and out of the house) and get away with it.
I wonder how you would feel if someone close to you was in a desperate state ie either ex druggie/alcohic or seriously ill, was taken to the cleaners financially and or spiritually by this guy?
Why is it that because he does it to people not connected to you, it's not equally devastating?

Do you know - I wouldn't be surprised if some of you could be done for libel - with all the unproven, libellous allegations made against him on this site!

Lots of assumptions, suppositions, guesswork, over-active imaginations, reading own perceptions into things - but no actual proof that the guy has done anything wrong, nevermind ripped anyone off!

Some people should exercise a little more tact and a loss less blind stupidity! It really is beginning to sound like religious discrimination!

[housemate]

Do you know - I wouldn't be surprised if some of you could be done for libel - with all the unproven, libellous allegations made against him on this site!

Lots of assumptions, suppositions, guesswork, over-active imaginations, reading own perceptions into things - but no actual proof that the guy has done anything wrong, nevermind ripped anyone off!

Some people should exercise a little more tact and a loss less blind stupidity! It really is beginning to sound like religious discrimination!

LOL .. Pot Kettle!

[WOMBAI]

LOL .. Pot Kettle!

I haven't accused anyone of ripping off vulnerable people! :hugesmile:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Do you know - I wouldn't be surprised if some of you could be done for libel - with all the unproven, libellous allegations made against him on this site!

Lots of assumptions, suppositions, guesswork, over-active imaginations, reading own perceptions into things - but no actual proof that the guy has done anything wrong, nevermind ripped anyone off!

Some people should exercise a little more tact and a loss less blind stupidity! It really is beginning to sound like religious discrimination!




how does he pay his bills?

[housemate]

Some people should exercise a little more tact and a loss less blind stupidity! It really is beginning to sound like religious discrimination!

Pot Kettle!!

[ElProximo]

Here is the problem:

Yes, I posted this for fingers and others and my complaint is that this type of behavior is shaming Christianity. The drunken nonsense is the problem.

Fingers and a few others don't care about that but instead are hoping to convince people that the video depicts David faking some disease or injury that has him in a wheelchair in order to 'get money'.
Wrong.
That is not what is happening there. It is not a video of David pretending to be in a wheelchair to get money.

So now what has happened is that Fingers is becoming as guilty as the thing he claims to be against: deception, misrepresentation, fooling people.

[soleila]

He's playing down the whole healing monk thing at the moment cos he knows it will make him look more accessible and give him a better chance at winning. He is the biggest FAKE in the house by a mile! Get him out!!!

[Crimson Dynamo]

can anyone tell me how he earns his money and feeds his family?

[WOMBAI]

how does he pay his bills?

This is exactly what I mean! You don't know how he pays his bills - you just assume instead!

According to a friend of his who comes on here sometimes, and possibly something he may have said himself, he gets a wage/salary from some sort of sponsors for this 'group'! Don't know the ins and outs - but the point being - none of us do!

Without facts - noone should be making such unproven, unfounded allegations - they are character assassination and potentially extremely dangerous to his 'reputation' - whatever individuals currently happen to think of that! Just comes down to personal likes and dislikes based on people's individual views, nothing more!

[housemate]

Here is the problem:

Yes, I posted this for fingers and others and my complaint is that this type of behavior is shaming Christianity. The drunken nonsense is the problem.

Fingers and a few others don't care about that but instead are hoping to convince people that the video depicts David faking some disease or injury that has him in a wheelchair in order to 'get money'.
Wrong.
That is not what is happening there. It is not a video of David pretending to be in a wheelchair to get money.

So now what has happened is that Fingers is becoming as guilty as the thing he claims to be against: deception, misrepresentation, fooling people.

I agree that it does shame Christianity (in my opinion)
Surely one of daves little mates (in the vid) could have had a placard stating that Dave was actually able bodied? The chair was obviously used as an advertising slogan for his cause, the honourable thing (if he wasn't presenting himself as disabled) would have been to make this clear to the people he spoke to?
Put it this way, if I encountered a Monk in a wheelchair, the last thought to come to mind would be that he was anything other than a disabled Monk!
The Drunk on the Lord nonsense is surely the same thing? An illusion whose sole purpose is to convince?

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is exactly what I mean! You don't know how he pays his bills - you just assume instead!

According to a friend of his who comes on here sometimes, and possibly something he may have said himself, he gets a wage/salary from some sort of sponsors for this 'group'! Don't know the ins and outs - but the point being - none of us do!

Without facts - noone should be making such unproven, unfounded allegations - they are character assassination and potentially extremely dangerous to his 'reputation' - whatever individuals currently happen to think of that! Just comes down to personal likes and dislikes based on people's individual views, nothing more!

It means how does he draw a wage?

If he is making money from his falsehoods and nonsense then someone or someones are being exploited.


"he gets a wage/salary from some sort of sponsors for this 'group'!"

bingo

[WOMBAI]

I agree that it does shame Christianity (in my opinion)
Surely one of daves little mates (in the vid) could have had a placard stating that Dave was actually able bodied? The chair was obviously used as an advertising slogan for his cause, the honourable thing (if he wasn't presenting himself as disabled) would have been to make this clear to the people he spoke to?
Put it this way, if I encountered a Monk in a wheelchair, the last thought to come to mind would be that he was anything other than a disabled Monk!

You have a valid point there - but there is a big difference between lack of insight, stupidity (whatever you want to call it) and out and out dishonest intentions and ripping people off!

[Crimson Dynamo]

You have a valid point there - but there is a big difference between lack of insight, stupidity (whatever you want to call it) and out and out dishonest intentions and ripping people off!

What other conclusion would anyone who saw him make?:conf:


it was exploitative and dishonest

[WOMBAI]

Here is the problem:

Yes, I posted this for fingers and others and my complaint is that this type of behavior is shaming Christianity. The drunken nonsense is the problem.

Fingers and a few others don't care about that but instead are hoping to convince people that the video depicts David faking some disease or injury that has him in a wheelchair in order to 'get money'.
Wrong.
That is not what is happening there. It is not a video of David pretending to be in a wheelchair to get money.

So now what has happened is that Fingers is becoming as guilty as the thing he claims to be against: deception, misrepresentation, fooling people.

Excellent post!

[WOMBAI]

It means how does he draw a wage?

If he is making money from his falsehoods and nonsense then someone or someones are being exploited.


"he gets a wage/salary from some sort of sponsors for this 'group'!"

bingo

No it isn't bingo - still supposition!

[WOMBAI]

What other conclusion would anyone who saw him make?:conf:

it was exploitative and dishonest

Conclusions, assumptions - we keep coming back to that! No actual facts!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Conclusions, assumptions - we keep coming back to that! No actual facts!

he does not have a job

his "minister" moniker is not recognised by any authority (ie it is self proclaimed)

He has no job

he makes his money by exploiting gullible people to donate to him



His whole "ministry" is based on earning him a wage

[housemate]

You have a valid point there - but there is a big difference between lack of insight, stupidity (whatever you want to call it) and out and out dishonest intentions and ripping people off!

Im absolutly certain that Dave doesn't do this for kicks .. if he was collecting money on the spot or not, he clearly wanted to draw people in to his version of Faith. There isn't an organisation on Earth that survive on fresh air, the people he 'recruits' have to contribute.
Judging from his travel schedule alone (which he has mentioned dozens of times IN the house, I don;t have to assume, its clearly doing very well.

[Late for the Party]

it was exploitative and dishonest

An excellent point.

People are more likely too empathize with someone who is in a wheelchair: Exploitative

He doesn't need a bloody wheelchair: Dishonest

[Beso]

he does not have a job

his "minister" moniker is not recognised by any authority (ie it is self proclaimed)

He has no job

he makes his money by exploiting gullible people to donate to him



His whole "ministry" is based on earning him a wage

why do you need an authority to recognise what you believe in?

[WOMBAI]

he does not have a job

his "minister" moniker is not recognised by any authority (ie it is self proclaimed)

He has no job

he makes his money by exploiting gullible people to donate to him



His whole "ministry" is based on earning him a wage

Self-proclaimed in not illegal or necessarily immoral! That is how many religions often start!

There you go with your assumptions and conclusions again! If you have any facts, produce them!

I thought not!

[WOMBAI]

An excellent point.

People are more likely too empathize with someone who is in a wheelchair: Exploitative

He doesn't need a bloody wheelchair: Dishonest

How is it excellent - it isn't based on fact - just supposition!

[ElProximo]

I agree that it does shame Christianity (in my opinion)
Surely one of daves little mates (in the vid) could have had a placard stating that Dave was actually able bodied? The chair was obviously used as an advertising slogan for his cause, the honourable thing (if he wasn't presenting himself as disabled) would have been to make this clear to the people he spoke to?
Put it this way, if I encountered a Monk in a wheelchair, the last thought to come to mind would be that he was anything other than a disabled Monk!
The Drunk on the Lord nonsense is surely the same thing? An illusion whose sole purpose is to convince?

I agree. The idea is that Dave was in such drunken ecstasy that he couldn't walk and they needed to push him around in the wheelchair.
They do believe he was temporarily disabled.
I think most people see it and suppose it is some drunk nutters taking the piss.

Either way, the thing here was not collecting donations. They were not asking for money or taking money.
Fingers seems to be doing her best to convince as many as possible he was pretending to be disabled to get donations from people.
They were not.
Someone here even suggested he be reported for defrauding people but in fact they were not taking money from anyone.

[WOMBAI]

I agree. The idea is that Dave was in such drunken ecstasy that he couldn't walk and they needed to push him around in the wheelchair.
They do believe he was temporarily disabled.
I think most people see it and suppose it is some drunk nutters taking the piss.

Either way, the thing here was not collecting donations. They were not asking for money or taking money.
Fingers seems to be doing her best to convince as many as possible he was pretending to be disabled to get donations from people.
They were not.
Someone here even suggested he be reported for defrauding people but in fact they were not taking money from anyone.

Again - good post!

[Late for the Party]

How is it excellent - it isn't based on fact - just supposition!
He is using a wheelchair in the video. FACT. Also he isn't disabled and dosen't need a wheel chair FACT.

[ElProximo]

Again - good post!

I'm on a roll with you Wombai lol

*dont worry.. im sure i will infuriate you later but for now we are on the same wavelength i think hehe

Here is the start of a David Wheelchair thing in Guilford:

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[WOMBAI]

I'm on a roll with you Wombai lol

*dont worry.. im sure i will infuriate you later but for now we are on the same wavelength i think hehe

Here is the start of a David Wheelchair thing in Guilford:

5OcPrMSeP9o

We are! :hugesmile:

I think the points you made about him being in a wheelchair because he was drunk with god, and therefore, unable to walk properly, made it all make more sense - it was simply a symbolic gesture!

Nothing to do with an intention to take the piss out of disabled people, as some have tried so hard to have us all believe! At worst people could accuse the stunt of being in poor taste - but not the same thing at all!

[Late for the Party]

We are! :hugesmile:

I think the points you made about him being in a wheelchair because he was drunk with god, and therefore, unable to walk properly, made it all make more sense
That dosen't make sense

[WOMBAI]

That dosen't make sense

It does! Where does the term 'legless' come from? So drunk you are unable to stand, nevermind walk! It makes perfect sense!

[Kitten]

the scary thing is that none of you actually have a clue what ur talking about. Dave taking advantage of disabled ppl and taking money off them? i don't think so. where did this idea even come from? what's wrong with u all, he's the most genuine guy in there. everyone else has cracked by now, can't u accept that Dave is just a nice guy?

[Late for the Party]

Its the, drunk on the "lord" bit that dosen't make sense

[WOMBAI]

Its the, drunk on the "lord" bit that dosen't make sense

That one is a bit harder to explain - but is a big part of their belief system - but I can get the logic of it - just about! :hugesmile:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would imagine that he is very careful about anyone finding out about his, ahem, "income stream"

it will never be videoed that is for sure

[Late for the Party]

That one is a bit harder to explain - but is a big part of their belief system - but I can get the logic of it - just about! :hugesmile:
I suppose I'll never get it, so i'm going to stop trying.
I'm not aiming this at anyone in particular but:

When someone can show me any case, where, under reasonable scientific conditions, it has been proven, that someone who believes something so much, become physically disabled, completely incoherent, I will then take back everything I have ever said about Dave.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I suppose I'll never get it, so i'm going to stop trying.
I'm not aiming this at anyone in particular but:

When someone can show me any case, where, under reasonable scientific conditions, it has been proven, that someone who believes something so much, become physically disabled, completely incoherent, I will then take back everything I have ever said about Dave.

you wont get it as it is fictitious

hence the only people who do pretend to get it are the needy and gullible


think of it as a numpty identifier

[housemate]

the scary thing is that none of you actually have a clue what ur talking about. Dave taking advantage of disabled ppl and taking money off them? i don't think so. where did this idea even come from? what's wrong with u all, he's the most genuine guy in there. everyone else has cracked by now, can't u accept that Dave is just a nice guy?

In a word No! He is immoral in the House and immoral out of it.
my opinion is based on what I see and hear on BB and what I see and hear him doing out of the house.
I don't intend or expect to sway anyone elses opinions about Dave but I am happy that I'm not the only one who finds Dave repulsive.
Genuine you say? What part of being able to cure cancer or stab his (so called) friends in the back is that then?

[ElProximo]

When someone can show me any case, where, under reasonable scientific conditions, it has been proven, that someone who believes something so much, become physically disabled, completely incoherent, I will then take back everything I have ever said about Dave.

Trying to add a bunch of talk of 'scientific proof' is lame because you can dismiss anything except maybe maths,
however,
If you need to know then you might look no further than Derren Brown although others have worked with this too.
You bet.. yes indeed people can work themselves into euphoric ecstatic states through self-induced psychosomatic states.

You may have also seen (in life or on television) where someone in massive mental/emotional distress has lost their ability to stand.
Upon news the husband has died the woman becomes hysterical and seconds later her legs give out.. relatives must hold her up.

I was reading about a thing in wars 'shell shock' where men.. due to psychological trauma had become paralyzed.
There was no actual physical damage to their legs but traumatic fear etc.. they were literally 'scared stiff' and unable to walk or move.

Not exactly the same thing but here Brown shows how people can be convince they are drunk and their bodies will act accordingly:
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[Crimson Dynamo]

Trying to add a bunch of talk of 'scientific proof' is lame because you can dismiss anything except maybe maths,
however,
If you need to know then you might look no further than Derren Brown although others have worked with this too.
You bet.. yes indeed people can work themselves into euphoric ecstatic states through self-induced psychosomatic states.

You may have also seen (in life or on television) where someone in massive mental/emotional distress has lost their ability to stand.
Upon news the husband has died the woman becomes hysterical and seconds later her legs give out.. relatives must hold her up.

I was reading about a thing in wars 'shell shock' where men.. due to psychological trauma had become paralyzed.
There was no actual physical damage to their legs but traumatic fear etc.. they were literally 'scared stiff' and unable to walk or move.

Not exactly the same thing but here Brown shows how people can be convince they are drunk and their bodies will act accordingly:
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precisely

[WOMBAI]

In a word No! He is immoral in the House and immoral out of it.
my opinion is based on what I see and hear on BB and what I see and hear him doing out of the house.
I don't intend or expect to sway anyone elses opinions about Dave but I am happy that I'm not the only one who finds Dave repulsive.
Genuine you say? What part of being able to cure cancer or stab his (so called) friends in the back is that then?

They all stab each other in the back - even Josie and JJ do it to each other (and a lot more frequently) so to use that as a reason to call him immoral is a bit lame to say the least!

[housemate]

They all stab each other in the back - even Josie and JJ do it to each other (and a lot more frequently) so to use that as a reason to call him immoral is a bit lame to say the least!

I stand corrected .. as a man of the cloth it is immoral to hold the bible in one hand and defame those he professes to Love.
It is a gross insult to his Faith, my Faith and infact any Faith at all.

[flamingGalah!]

I find it absolutely hilarious that Daves fans on here will defend ANYTHING he does no matter how distasteful! The fraud is being wheeled around in a wheelchair & they say there is nothing wrong with that & try to come up with ridiculous reasons as to why it's acceptable...

It is WRONG & there is NO acceptable reason why an able bodied person should be wheeled about in a wheelchair...

The man is a disgrace & MUST BE EVICTED :xyxwave:

[WOMBAI]

I find it absolutely hilarious that Daves fans on here will defend ANYTHING he does no matter how distasteful! The fraud is being wheeled around in a wheelchair & they say there is nothing wrong with that & try to come up with ridiculous reasons as to why it's acceptable...

It is WRONG & there is NO acceptable reason why an able bodied person should be wheeled about in a wheelchair...

The man is a disgrace & MUST BE EVICTED :xyxwave:

Not into symbolic gestures then! :joker:

[housemate]

I find it absolutely hilarious that Daves fans on here will defend ANYTHING he does no matter how distasteful! The fraud is being wheeled around in a wheelchair & they say there is nothing wrong with that & try to come up with ridiculous reasons as to why it's acceptable...

It is WRONG & there is NO acceptable reason why an able bodied person should be wheeled about in a wheelchair...

The man is a disgrace & MUST BE EVICTED :xyxwave:

I just really wish I could understand where they are coming from ... Do they approve of Daves choices or are they just hell bent on playing Devils advocate?

[Late for the Party]

Trying to add a bunch of talk of 'scientific proof' is lame I still require it


You bet.. yes indeed people can work themselves into euphoric ecstatic states through self-induced psychosomatic states. Yes, mentally deficient people

You may have also seen (in life or on television) where someone in massive mental/emotional distress has lost their ability to stand.
Upon news the husband has died the woman becomes hysterical and seconds later her legs give out.. relatives must hold her up.
That is an extremely traumatic event and is a bad comparison.

David is not scared stiff, maybe a little mentally deficient

[housemate]

Not into symbolic gestures then! :joker:

Lol!! Are you actually being serious, whats wrong with a Cross? Is it possibly that a Crucifix would be too obvious?

[ElProximo]

I still require it

You can't handle it.

Yes, mentally deficient people

Nope. It's better pulled off by more intelligent people. I think deficient ones can do it too.
The main thing is that you now agree this can happen. I feel better knowing you are just a little more educated.

[Shasown]

If you look at his videos, there are signs in some that say Free Healing. He offers blessings which he claims are from "God" and that god can cure people or at least make their lives better.

Him using a wheelchair is probably due to the drunk state he claims God's Love puts him in, or as apparent in one video as an attractor to the public, he doesnt claim to be physically unable to walk. (Careful editing?).

If he did make claims of being able to cure people and asked for money he would open himself up for prosecution under Consumer Protection Regulations. Similarly if he started diagnosing illness he would also be open under the Medical Act 1983.

The important thing to remember legally is that saying he did cure someone and saying he can cure someone are two entirely different things, one allows you to verify his claim if you want to. The other allows him to hide behind "the God will provide the cure" defence.

The form of healing he is offering is akin to Spiritual Healing and Reiki etc, which are recognised alternative therapies and are legal.

In my opinion he is not a lot different to buskers on the street an annoyance to some and entertaining to others.

[Late for the Party]

You can't handle it.
You can't provide it



The main thing is that you now agree this can happen. I feel better knowing you are just a little more educated.
Glad you feel better. It still isn't the true in daves case

[flamingGalah!]

Not into symbolic gestures then! :joker:

I'm not into a piss taking ex druggie buffoon claiming he can cure cancer whilst being wheeled around Guildford high street, wearing a monks robe & laughing like a deranged hyena, no...

[housemate]

He is doing this in the name of God, not as an alternative Health Practioner.
He wasn't (as far as I'm aware) asking for donations on that street but he was asking people to join his Organisation ... as I have said previously, these sects, or whatever you choose to call them cannot run on fresh air.
I always give money to Buskers, Big Issuers and down and outs and the Sick ....or anybody in need come to that... these are generally the people who are most likely to reach out for any chance of hope and whom Davids Sloshfests and offers of salvation appear to be aimed at.

[WOMBAI]

Undoubtedly Christianity today does have a very dated, dictorial, reserved and austere image - one with which doesn't sit well with today's youngsters, who have grown up in a more free-thinking generation!

As a result - the number of Christians and churchgoers have dropped significantly! I can understand the idea that Dave's group have adopted and tried to attach a more 'modern' fun image onto Christianity with their less formal, unreserved, sloshfests and publicity stunts! All about 'reaching' a wider audience! It doesn't make it sinister!

Whether people approve is a matter of taste, but if their sentiments behind it are genuine, and as far as I can see - there is no reason to suppose they are not - that is what counts - not the way they go about it - surely!

[flamingGalah!]

Another point, did anyone hear the converstaion between Dave & Mario, when Mario thought Dave lived in Newbury?

Dave said he didn't live there then said " I wish I did, lotsa money there..."

Obviously thinks his cult could con a pretty penny out of those west Berkshire folk... ;)

[WOMBAI]

I'm not into a piss taking ex druggie buffoon claiming he can cure cancer whilst being wheeled around Guildford high street, wearing a monks robe & laughing like a deranged hyena, no...

piss-taking = opinion, nothing more
ex druggie = good that he is ex
buffoon = opinion
claiming he can cure cancer = not exactly what he said, words in mouth
deranged hyena = opinion

Still see no facts! :hugesmile:

[housemate]

Undoubtedly Christianity today does have a very dated, dictorial, reserved and austere image - one with which doesn't sit well with today's youngsters, who have grown up in a more free-thinking generation!

As a result - the number of Christians and churchgoers have dropped significantly! I can understand the idea that Dave's group have adopted and tried to attach a more 'modern' fun image onto Christianity with their less formal, unreserved, sloshfests and publicity stunts! All about 'reaching' a wider audience! It doesn't make it sinister!

Whether people approve is a matter of taste, but if their sentiments behind it are genuine, and as far as I can see - there is no reason to suppose they are not - that is what counts - not the way they go about it - surely!

If it was a sincere I might agree but piecing together the you tube vids and what I see hear him saying in the house (lets not go over it again ... I have personally heard him go against the principles he proffesses to teach) then how is anyone expected to believe that he IS sincere? As he would say 'It doesn't add up'

[Marzy]

Well I hadn't and quite frankly unless you have a warrant I'll darn well post what I like!

You do that, keep it on the front page because i hadn't seen it and quite frankly am disgusted. What a sicko!!

[WOMBAI]

Another point, did anyone hear the converstaion between Dave & Mario, when Mario thought Dave lived in Newbury?

Dave said he didn't live there then said " I wish I did, lotsa money there..."

Obviously thinks his cult could con a pretty penny out of those west Berkshire folk... ;)

That remark could mean anything - that is just you putting your rather twisted interpretation onto it! Nothing more!

[flamingGalah!]

piss-taking = opinion, nothing more
ex druggie = good that he is ex
buffoon = opinion
claiming he can cure cancer = not exactly what he said, words in mouth
deranged hyena = opinion

Still see no facts! :hugesmile:

Piss-taking = Not opinion, he is...
ex druggie = doubtful if he actually is an ex one...
buffoon = FACT
claiming he can cure cancer = EXACTLY what he said!
deranged hyena = FACT

See you are still wrong... :xyxwave:

[flamingGalah!]

That remark could mean anything - that is just you putting your rather twisted interpretation onto it! Nothing more!

Come on then lets see what spin you can put on that then... :sleep:

I swear if he bit the head off a puppy you would find some acceptable reason for him doing it...

[fingers]

You do that, keep it on the front page because i hadn't seen it and quite frankly am disgusted. What a sicko!!

The "Glory" groupies get pissed off when we remind others who haven't seen the Vids,just what a vile human being he is.

[WOMBAI]

If it was a sincere I might agree but piecing together the you tube vids and what I see hear him saying in the house (lets not go over it again ... I have personally heard him go against the principles he proffesses to teach) then how is anyone expected to believe that he IS sincere? As he would say 'It doesn't add up'

Well as I have not heard him do so - it is hard for me to comment on that! That could again - just come down to interpretation and opinion!

[fingers]

Come on then lets see what spin you can put on that then... :sleep:

I swear if he bit the head off a puppy you would find some acceptable reason for him doing it...

Hunger??

[housemate]

That remark could mean anything - that is just you putting your rather twisted interpretation onto it! Nothing more!

You Are just here to back him, no matter what aren't you! I really hope that someone YOU love doesn't ever come into contact, through desperation, with the likes of Dave or his cronies

[WOMBAI]

Come on then lets see what spin you can put on that then... :sleep:

I swear if he bit the head off a puppy you would find some acceptable reason for him doing it...

Nothing you have 'presented' would hold water in a court of law - that deals in facts - not supposition and personal interpretation! Simples!

[flamingGalah!]

Nothing you have 'presented' would hold water in a court of law - that deals in facts - not supposition and personal interpretation! Simples!

So you have not been able to think up some long winded & far fetched excuse for him yet then?? Good oh... ;)

[WOMBAI]

You Are just here to back him, no matter what aren't you! I really hope that someone YOU love doesn't ever come into contact, through desperation, with the likes of Dave or his cronies

I genuinely don't believe he is the type of man that you lot have painted him! The prosecution has not proven its case - therefore I remain steadfast in my views that the guy is ok!

[housemate]

Well as I have not heard him do so - it is hard for me to comment on that! That could again - just come down to interpretation and opinion!

Well then as such a vocal advocate of his maybe you should take the trouble to do so! You can't comment untill you have seen him in both sides of the argument for yourself surely?
Come back when you have bothered to do your research!

[WOMBAI]

So you have not been able to think up some long winded & far fetched excuse for him yet then?? Good oh... ;)

I don't need to - the onis is on the prosecution - the law of the land! You have failed to 'PROVE' anything!

[WOMBAI]

Well then as such a vocal advocate of his maybe you should take the trouble to do so! You can't comment untill you have seen him in both sides of the argument for yourself surely?
Come back when you have bothered to do your research!

Your 'research' is only what you claim it to be! If I have good reason to doubt him - then so be it - but so far I do not! I repeat - it is up to you to prove he is the charleton you claim he is - otherwise such allegations are potentially libellous!

You remind me of the tabloids like The Sun - just spouting a load of unsubstantiated bile about someone currently in the public eye. See no real difference!

[housemate]

I genuinely don't believe he is the type of man that you lot have painted him! The prosecution has not proven its case - therefore I remain steadfast in my views that the guy is ok!

That I can respect, I don't want to alter your opinion in the least but you said you haven't heard or seen him doing anything wrong ... its not subjective when he tells his 'friend' that he would never turn on him and within seconds of that person leaving, tells everyone that he wouldn't trust him as far as he can throw him! This behaviour is not acceptable by any of the HMs but from a self proffessed man of God it is diabolical in the extreme.
If you haven't heard him say that and similar things then, as I said before ... you need to do a bit more research before defending him blindly.

[housemate]

Your 'research' is only what you claim it to be! If I have good reason to doubt him - then so be it - but so far I do not! I repeat - it is up to you to prove he is the charleton you claim he is - otherwise such allegations are potentially libellous!

You remind me of the tabloids like The Sun - just spouting a load of unsubstantiated bile about someone currently in the public eye. See no real difference!

Grow up, silly little person ... I (unlike you it seems) viewed Dave as a blank page when he went into the house ... I have warched, listened and researched. If you had done that you might have a more balanced argument which I would greatly welcome as a soutce of debate on the matter!

[flamingGalah!]

I don't need to - the onis is on the prosecution - the law of the land! You have failed to 'PROVE' anything!

And so have you! :xyxwave:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I genuinely don't believe he is the type of man that you lot have painted him! The prosecution has not proven its case - therefore I remain steadfast in my views that the guy is ok!

So how does he make money to live from what he does?

[WOMBAI]

That I can respect, I don't want to alter your opinion in the least but you said you haven't heard or seen him doing anything wrong ... its not subjective when he tells his 'friend' that he would never turn on him and within seconds of that person leaving, tells everyone that he wouldn't trust him as far as he can throw him! This behaviour is not acceptable by any of the HMs but from a self proffessed man of God it is diabolical in the extreme.
If you haven't heard him say that and similar things then, as I said before ... you need to do a bit more research before defending him blindly.

The 'bitching' you are talking about is a pretty lame reason to call a man of religion a charleton! I am not interested in that - it has nothing to do with the allegations you make about him as a fraud! If I have missed some bitching from him on live-feed - that wouldn't change my views about him not being charleton - it would take more than that!

He is undoubedly one of the nicer hms, more grounded, more pleasant to be around, he has more interesting conversation, is funny and if I were in there - he is one of the ones I would want to spend my time around! That is how I judge him as a hm!

[housemate]

Good for you sweetums, bored now because you seem to have run out of fresh 'arguments' .. I'm not prepared tp go around in another circle with you but I'm very happy for you .. bye.

[WOMBAI]

So how does he make money to live from what he does?

If you want to condemn him - then perhaps you should make the effort to find that out for yourself as evidence to back up your 'allegations'!

If you find some proof of fraud - let me know, and perhaps the authorities as well! In the meantime ....! :xyxwave:

[WOMBAI]

Good for you sweetums, bored now because you seem to have run out of fresh 'arguments' .. I'm not prepared tp go around in another circle with you but I'm very happy for you .. bye.

I'll meet you half-way - if you can produce some fresh 'evidence' - in fact any evidence at all - to back-up your allegations! :sleep:

[housemate]

I'll meet you half-way - if you can produce some fresh 'evidence' - in fact any evidence at all - to back-up your allegations! :sleep:



Just for you ...... er no, now be good and go play with someone else or maybe have a nap.
also it might be cool to remember that sometimes the grown-ups want to debate issues rather than play silly games of 'I'll just say whatever will get a reaction'
Night night xx

[WOMBAI]

Just for you ...... er no, now be good and go play with someone else or maybe have a nap.
also it might be cool to remember that sometimes the grown-ups want to debate issues rather than play silly games of 'I'll just say whatever will get a reaction'
Night night xx

Ha, ha - yes dear - who are you trying to kid me, or yourself! :joker::xyxwave:

[flamingGalah!]

I'll meet you half-way - if you can produce some fresh 'evidence' - in fact any evidence at all - to back-up your allegations! :sleep:

Conversely perhaps you could provide some evidence as to how he does make his money? Also evidence that he really does get drunk on god & evidence that he can cure cancer... :xyxwave:

[housemate]

Flaming Galah ... Wombat is tired, leave him alone ... he loves Dave and all he stamds for .. thats a good thing for people like him. Just hope he isn't ever on the receiving end of it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If you want to condemn him - then perhaps you should make the effort to find that out for yourself as evidence to back up your 'allegations'!

If you find some proof of fraud - let me know, and perhaps the authorities as well! In the meantime ....! :xyxwave:

If i was a barrister in court then I suspect I would

as this is a BB forum I am just going to stick with common sense and the fact that unlike you I have not back myself into a corner trying to defend the undefendable

:hugesmile:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Flaming Galah ... Wombat is tired, leave him alone ... he loves Dave and all he stamds for .. thats a good thing for people like him. Just hope he isn't ever on the receiving end of it.

Wombai is a lady


and she wants it

[WOMBAI]

Conversely perhaps you could provide some evidence as to how he does make his money? Also evidence that he really does get drunk on god & evidence that he can cure cancer... :xyxwave:

You are the ones vilifying him! In order to do that successfully - you need to prove your case!

Just shouting such allegations, with nothing to back them up other than a few old vids on public display, that at the very least are wide open to interpretation - doesn't cut it in the minds of the grown-ups, which explains the other guys retreat!

It isn't down to me! Good luck with that - I think you are going to need it!:xyxwave:

[housemate]

Lol excuse me, I took a 50/50 on it

[WOMBAI]

If i was a barrister in court then I suspect I would

as this is a BB forum I am just going to stick with common sense and the fact that unlike you I have not back myself into a corner trying to defend the undefendable

:hugesmile:

You just did - by hiding behind the old commonsense banner - again very much open to interpretation! :hugesmile:

[flamingGalah!]

You are the ones vilifying him! In order to do that successfully - you need to prove your case!

Just shouting such allegations, with nothing to back them up other than a few old vids on public display, that at the very least are wide open to interpretation - doesn't cut it in the minds of the grown-ups, which explains the other guys retreat!

It isn't down to me! Good luck with that - I think you are going to need it!:xyxwave:

And you are the one trying to defend him to the death with evidence to back up your claims either! And any evidence we produce you simply shut your eyes & stick your fingers in your ears... You are a lost cause...

And please don't take a condesending tone about "grown ups" as your behaviour is far from mature... :xyxwave:

The evidence is there for all to see, at least those that want to see it...

[housemate]

You are the ones vilifying him! In order to do that successfully - you need to prove your case!

Just shouting such allegations, with nothing to back them up other than a few old vids on public display, that at the very least are wide open to interpretation - doesn't cut it in the minds of the grown-ups, which explains the other guys retreat!

It isn't down to me! Good luck with that - I think you are going to need it!:xyxwave:

Ha ha ha ha, thats great, now she's claiming to have amnesia ... been all through this but then when you haven't got an argument its easy to just say the same old tosh, cirling around and around untill she thinks she has 'won' ... good grief!!

[Crimson Dynamo]

You just did - by hiding behind the old commonsense banner - again very much open to interpretation! :hugesmile:

I think 99.9% of people on Tibb can distinguish betwixt a real job and a fake job

between a lie "I have been to the sun" - Dave

and the truth "Wombai is talking bollocks" - LT


x

[housemate]

I think 99.9% of people on Tibb can distinguish betwixt a real job and a fake job

between a lie "I have been to the sun" - Dave

and the truth "Wombai is talking bollocks" - LT


x

Agreed :whistle:

[WOMBAI]

I think 99.9% of people on Tibb can distinguish betwixt a real job and a fake job

between a lie "I have been to the sun" - Dave

and the truth "Wombai is talking bollocks" - LT


x

The fact that Dave has quite a large fan base - knocks that rather 'optimistic' figure you give out of the water!

Again simple interpretations. Trouble is you 3 try, very hard, to present your interpretations as fact, when of course, they aren't! - and expect the rest of us to just buy it! When asked for facts - you cry, provide a defence! Avoidance tactics!

Maybe you should just stop taking everything he says quite so literally - and follow your own advice and excercise a bit of commonsense!
:xyxwave:

[flamingGalah!]

The fact that Dave has quite a large fan base - knocks that rather 'optimistic' figure you give out of the water!

Again simple interpretations. Trouble is you 3 try, very hard, to present your interpretations as fact, when of course, they aren't! - and expect the rest of us to just buy it! When asked for facts - you cry, provide a defence! Avoidance tactics!

Maybe you should just stop taking everything he says quite so literally - and follow your own advice and excercise a bit of commonsense!
:xyxwave:

Dave has fans because they do not know what he is truely like...

You try very hard to defend him, even against the undefendable behaviour, this comes across as extremely deluded. You have been presented with video evidence, evidence that has come straight out of Dave's mouth himslef on BB, yet you still try to deny & defend him... hilarious!

Instead of you constantly harping on about evidence to back up our claims (many of which have actually been transmitted on BB or are available on YouTube) why do you not provide us with evidence for Dave's claims that he can cure cancer? That he has been to the sun? That fairies visit him? That he gets drunks on Gods love? That he can grow back someones amputated limbs, etc... :xyxwave:

[Crimson Dynamo]

The fact that Dave has quite a large fan base - knocks that rather 'optimistic' figure you give out of the water!

Again simple interpretations. Trouble is you 3 try, very hard, to present your interpretations as fact, when of course, they aren't! - and expect the rest of us to just buy it! When asked for facts - you cry, provide a defence! Avoidance tactics!

Maybe you should just stop taking everything he says quite so literally - and follow your own advice and excercise a bit of commonsense!
:xyxwave:

My only explanation for your defence is that you are part of a similar "charismatic" so called church?

am I right?

[fingers]

The trouble with St. Dave is that he posts the majority of his laughable vids on YouTube HIMSELF - for his cult followers and as recruiting ads for new followers, his "Glory" Groupies just deny the evidence of their own eyes or pretend that the vids don't exist except as figments of over taxed imaginations!!!

"Glory" Groupies will deny anything that annoys them!

[housemate]

You know it would be great to have someone just explain how this guy manages to win them over in the face of what they have seen and heard. I haven't got a problem with them loving him, I have a problem with them trying to justify his actions. They all seem to live in an enclosed World where a nice smile beats any evidence. Unlike Dave, I'm not tryin to preach to anyone!
I'd really love to have a rational, non defensive discussion based on all that has been seen of dave on BB and Youtube. Even better would be if someone could show me that I have misunderstood Daves Organisation and explain how they benefit the poor, sick and lonely.

[ElProximo]

The trouble with St. Dave is that he posts the majority of his laughable vids on YouTube HIMSELF - for his cult followers and as recruiting ads for new followers, his "Glory" Groupies just deny the evidence of their own eyes or pretend that the vids don't exist except as figments of over taxed imaginations!!!

"Glory" Groupies will deny anything that annoys them!

This doesn't make sense unless I understand you mean to say 'glory groupies' are someone different from 'cult followers'?

Far from denying these videos they most certainly do post them on youtube.
Exactly.
I want you to think about that now. They post these proudly.

Do 'scam artists' trying to hide something do that?
Would a 'con-man' intending to 'act' one way but not tell anyone this other stuff be leaving his youtube channel active and full of vids?

What you are doing is giving more evidence that David does definitely believe in this stuff and he believes its real and what he is doing 'works'.

Your making that case when you admit that they don't hide any of this and even proudly display it.

And let me say it again - I wish they WERE ACTORS. That would be bad but not nearly as bad as a bunch of them who actually believe this is from God and carry on accordingly.

[fingers]

This doesn't make sense unless I understand you mean to say 'glory groupies' are someone different from 'cult followers'?

Far from denying these videos they most certainly do post them on youtube.
Exactly.
I want you to think about that now. They post these proudly.

Do 'scam artists' trying to hide something do that?
Would a 'con-man' intending to 'act' one way but not tell anyone this other stuff be leaving his youtube channel active and full of vids?

What you are doing is giving more evidence that David does definitely believe in this stuff and he believes its real and what he is doing 'works'.

Your making that case when you admit that they don't hide any of this and even proudly display it.

And let me say it again - I wish they WERE ACTORS. That would be bad but not nearly as bad as a bunch of them who actually believe this is from God and carry on accordingly.

If you say so!:sleep::joker::sleep:

[Shasown]

This doesn't make sense unless I understand you mean to say 'glory groupies' are someone different from 'cult followers'?

Far from denying these videos they most certainly do post them on youtube.
Exactly.
I want you to think about that now. They post these proudly.

Do 'scam artists' trying to hide something do that?
Would a 'con-man' intending to 'act' one way but not tell anyone this other stuff be leaving his youtube channel active and full of vids?

What you are doing is giving more evidence that David does definitely believe in this stuff and he believes its real and what he is doing 'works'.

Your making that case when you admit that they don't hide any of this and even proudly display it.

And let me say it again - I wish they WERE ACTORS. That would be bad but not nearly as bad as a bunch of them who actually believe this is from God and carry on accordingly.

Waste of time El Proximo, logical rational thought will never overcome blind hatred and blinkered vision. Good post though.

[housemate]

This doesn't make sense unless I understand you mean to say 'glory groupies' are someone different from 'cult followers'?

Far from denying these videos they most certainly do post them on youtube.
Exactly.
I want you to think about that now. They post these proudly.

Do 'scam artists' trying to hide something do that?
Would a 'con-man' intending to 'act' one way but not tell anyone this other stuff be leaving his youtube channel active and full of vids?

What you are doing is giving more evidence that David does definitely believe in this stuff and he believes its real and what he is doing 'works'.

Your making that case when you admit that they don't hide any of this and even proudly display it.

And let me say it again - I wish they WERE ACTORS. That would be bad but not nearly as bad as a bunch of them who actually believe this is from God and carry on accordingly.

Yes they do because they live in a Country where tolerance is upheld. dave supporters, like some of those in this thread, afford them the 'gumtion' to advertise themselves on You Tube and make claims which your ordinary Joe Public will tut at or believe.. Lets face it, after the Blair/Iraq saga do you really think integrity still prevails?
I don't claim to know if Dave believes his nonsense but if he does, how is it that he breaks so many of the principles laid down by the very Book he preaches from? I don't think a Man with his supposed strength of Faith could bring himself to do those things. On that basis, in my opinion, he is a complete fraud!

[Shasown]

Yes they do because they live in a Country where tolerance is upheld. dave supporters, like some of those in this thread, afford them the 'gumtion' to advertise themselves on You Tube and make claims which your ordinary Joe Public will tut at or believe.. Lets face it, after the Blair/Iraq saga do you really think integrity still prevails?
I don't claim to know if Dave believes his nonsense but if he does, how is it that he breaks so many of the principles laid down by the very Book he preaches from? I don't think a Man with his supposed strength of Faith could bring himself to do those things. On that basis, in my opinion, he is a complete fraud!

I think its christianity in general you have problems understanding. Apparently Jesus wants us to try to be better people, he knows just like his dad knows that we are only human and will not always be good people.

However he forgives us those little transgressions, so long as we are sorry for them and try a little harder each time not to do them again.

Its not about being perfect, its about learning from your mistakes, once you realise the mistake in the first place, that is.

As for the bible itself, a lot of the Old Testament is left in to provide a basis for understanding the NT. Different schools of theologians interpret passages in different ways. Some even move with the times and accept a lot of the creation story as metaphorical as opposed to literal.

[ElProximo]

how is it that he breaks so many of the principles laid down by the very Book he preaches from? I don't think a Man with his supposed strength of Faith could bring himself to do those things. On that basis, in my opinion, he is a complete fraud!

You partly answer your own question there. It is because they break principles laid down in the very book they preach from that they can bring themselves to do those things.
It is because they find ways to misinterpret and just ignore some principles they feel free to carry on like this.

But look at it this way... 99.999% of Christians and non-Christians alike can look at the NT and be well aware that committing mass murder and then mass suicide is clearly antichristian,
yet,
almost 1000 people in a Jim Jones cult did that like it was the most sincerely committed truth they could find.
They were not being 'hypocrites'.
They were not 'con artists'.
They were not 'frauds'.
They were wrong. Deadly wrong. We might call it pure evil,
but,
they were not 'fakes'. They bet their life and the lives of those around them on it.

Let's hope David's cult doesn't go to the grape juice cocktails but the point is that they are wrong and even obviously wrong (to thinking people) but they are no frauds.
They believe it.

[housemate]

You partly answer your own question there. It is because they break principles laid down in the very book they preach from that they can bring themselves to do those things.
It is because they find ways to misinterpret and just ignore some principles they feel free to carry on like this.

But look at it this way... 99.999% of Christians and non-Christians alike can look at the NT and be well aware that committing mass murder and then mass suicide is clearly antichristian,
yet,
almost 1000 people in a Jim Jones cult did that like it was the most sincerely committed truth they could find.
They were not being 'hypocrites'.
They were not 'con artists'.
They were not 'frauds'.
They were wrong. Deadly wrong. We might call it pure evil,
but,
they were not 'fakes'. They bet their life and the lives of those around them on it.

Let's hope David's cult doesn't go to the grape juice cocktails but the point is that they are wrong and even obviously wrong (to thinking people) but they are no frauds.
They believe it.

I'm going to have a good long think about that so Thank you!! I have to say that I don't imagine the followers of these cults etc to be cynical or disingenuous, but when you look at the leaders (and henchmen).. Jones being a prime example, a true believer .. really? I don't think he was, I saw him as a charlatan, pretty much the same as Dave.

[housemate]

I think its christianity in general you have problems understanding. Apparently Jesus wants us to try to be better people, he knows just like his dad knows that we are only human and will not always be good people.

However he forgives us those little transgressions, so long as we are sorry for them and try a little harder each time not to do them again.

Its not about being perfect, its about learning from your mistakes, once you realise the mistake in the first place, that is.

As for the bible itself, a lot of the Old Testament is left in to provide a basis for understanding the NT. Different schools of theologians interpret passages in different ways. Some even move with the times and accept a lot of the creation story as metaphorical as opposed to literal.

I'm fully aware of that but we're not talking about a member of the congregation here, we're talking about a man who has been charged with the care and guidance of other, supposedly more fallible creatures like myself.
Are you saying that we should overlook the evidence on you tube or BB because Dave believes in his version of the Bible, he should not be judged by its founding rules?
He is supposed to set a good example as a Minister surely?

[WOMBAI]

And you are the one trying to defend him to the death with evidence to back up your claims either! And any evidence we produce you simply shut your eyes & stick your fingers in your ears... You are a lost cause...

And please don't take a condesending tone about "grown ups" as your behaviour is far from mature... :xyxwave:

The evidence is there for all to see, at least those that want to see it...

You haven't produced any evidence - that is the point! :sleep:

[flamingGalah!]

You haven't produced any evidence - that is the point! :sleep:

We have, you have chosen to ignore it or pretend it doesn't exist :sleep:

I honestly think you must belong to a wacko cult yourself...

You like to swim in that great river called denial... :xyxwave:

[MariaLeFrink2]

Sorry to all those that have aready seen this but I hadn't, caught it on DS earlier today and am still sick to my stomach!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBkgdKiSzx0&feature=related

It's disgusting, isn't it?

WE NEED TO GET HIM OUT!!

[WOMBAI]

We have, you have chosen to ignore it or pretend it doesn't exist :sleep:

I honestly think you must belong to a wacko cult yourself...

You like to swim in that great river called denial... :xyxwave:


What evidence - those vids that, incidentally, were not discovered hidden away in some secret drawer somewhere, but on public view for all to see - and are clearly open to interpretation! Is that your evidence? If that's the best you've got - it isn't me in denial!

And for the record, and I believe I have said this before, I am not at all religious, never have been - just not my cup of tea! But as long as people don't try and force their religious views on to me and mine - I have no problem with live and let live! I respect Dave's right to worship in any way he pleases, as long as he isn't harming anyone - and you certainly haven't proved to me, or anyone else, that he is!

I really don't know if you actually believe that - or you just don't like him and are using every tacky trick in the book to blacken his character!

[Shasown]

I'm fully aware of that but we're not talking about a member of the congregation here, we're talking about a man who has been charged with the care and guidance of other, supposedly more fallible creatures like myself.
Are you saying that we should overlook the evidence on you tube or BB because Dave believes in his version of the Bible, he should not be judged by its founding rules?
He is supposed to set a good example as a Minister surely?


No I am not saying ignore anything, I am saying view it with an open mind. Put things into perspective.

You mention he has been charged with the care and guidance of others, who charged him?

As for the evidence, I have yet to see any that he is in fact a minister of any sort, he may call himself one because in his mind he believes himself to be one, but to what church? By what authority? Probably in his eyes God gave him that authority.

I believe he uses the term Friar, as in brother to describe himself, its a very vague nomenclature. It could be self imposed.

As for being able to marry people, anyone can perform a marriage ceremony, that doesnt mean the marriage has any legal standing. He may or may not be able to marry people in the eyes of British or International Law.

Is he an Authorised Marriage Celebrant? Or does he simply carry out the ceremony in front of a person duly authorised to register a marriage? I cant really see him going to the bother and cost of acquiring a licence to do so from the local Superintendent Registrar.

I have also yet to see anything conclusive where he asks for payment for healing. Or even that he can cure cancers. Isnt the context of the words he uses something along the lines of we can cure it if it is Gods will?

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A prime example of what "Believing" can do to your mind, sad innit?

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A prime example of what "Believing" can do to your mind, sad innit?

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What the hell has that got to do with Dave and his group!

Attempting to tar all Christians with the same brush is hardly very productive!