View Full Version : Barrymore could be handed legal papers
stoney12
16-01-2006, 02:18 PM
This on the 3pm news (talksport).
Michael Barrymore could be handed legal papers whilst in the house , as a private law suit is filed against the death of Stuart Lubcock.
I certainly hope this does not happen.He might be a cantankerous g## at times, but that would be a nightmare for him.
GlitterEyes
16-01-2006, 03:17 PM
I hate all the anti barrymore press, they wont give up in trying to bring him down.
Pity about him!!! Why didn't he give evidence at the hearing all those years ago if he wanted to clear his name?? Instead he hides like a coward and comes back now thinking its all forgotten. He obviously has something to hide....Barrymore is a creep and he should have stayed in hiding in NZ..
GlitterEyes
16-01-2006, 03:38 PM
Innocent until proven guilty, the fact he is back is showing he isnt prepared to hide for all his life is a good thing. What went on with the pool thing nobody know but who was there and the papers just want to bring him down.
Full story on ceefax page 504 :shocked:
Originally posted by GlitterEyes
Innocent until proven guilty, the fact he is back is showing he isnt prepared to hide for all his life is a good thing. What went on with the pool thing nobody know but who was there and the papers just want to bring him down.
Totally agree.
I respect him for going on BB, we all know he could have easily said no and in a way he had the right to because the press have been awful to him but hes showing his face and deserves at least a chance.
GlitterEyes
16-01-2006, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by Mike
Originally posted by GlitterEyes
Innocent until proven guilty, the fact he is back is showing he isnt prepared to hide for all his life is a good thing. What went on with the pool thing nobody know but who was there and the papers just want to bring him down.
Totally agree.
I respect him for going on BB, we all know he could have easily said no and in a way he had the right to because the press have been awful to him but hes showing his face and deserves at least a chance.
If he is guilty then yeah shoot him down lol but nothing has been proven one way or another so that is not guilty in my eyes, if he was guilty im sure he would of stayed away longer and not tried coming back.
EugeneSully
16-01-2006, 05:50 PM
haha sorry I know I shouldn't have laughed at the name "Lubcock"... bit rude to laugh eh??
They need to give the guy a break and stop trying to lead him to a nervous breakdown but taking him down. The pool thing is over, it happened 5 years ago they should just leave it be now
stoney12
16-01-2006, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by EugeneSully
haha sorry I know I shouldn't have laughed at the name "Lubcock"... bit rude to laugh eh??
They need to give the guy a break and stop trying to lead him to a nervous breakdown but taking him down. The pool thing is over, it happened 5 years ago they should just leave it be now
Yeah..sorry bout that not the best time to make a spelling mistake.
This is a private case brought by the family , I think.I am sure if the police wanted to question him they would have by now.
EugeneSully
16-01-2006, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by stoney12
Yeah..sorry bout that not the best time to make a spelling mistake.
This is a private case brought by the family , I think.I am sure if the police wanted to question him they would have by now.
Did you make a spelling mistake in his name? Lol I thought Lubcock was his name! ahh well I think they should leave it to be honest. It happened at a party teaming with alcohol and drugs so it could have been self inflicted... or was he stabbed or something ( i didn't hear that far on the news)?
haribo
16-01-2006, 05:59 PM
surves the man rite.
ope he cracks up in der.
****. :xyxwave:
Edited for language. Kaz
EugeneSully
16-01-2006, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by haribo
surves the man rite.
ope he cracks up in der.
****. :xyxwave:
That's a bit harsh. Give the man a break
It would be disgraceful if they served him with papers while he is in the house. If he is to be served at all, at least wait until the man is out and do it privately.
haribo
16-01-2006, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by EugeneSully
Originally posted by haribo
surves the man rite.
ope he cracks up in der.
****. :xyxwave:
That's a bit harsh. Give the man a break
nope he deserves it :spin::wavey::wavey::wavey::wavey::colour::colour: :cat::elephant::elephant::dog::dog::hello:
EugeneSully
16-01-2006, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by Ruth
It would be disgraceful if they served him with papers while he is in the house. If he is to be served at all, at least wait until the man is out and do it privately.
That's right, Ruth! Don't think he'd appreciate if the world saw him getting into more trouble again :bored:
CharlotteSometimes
16-01-2006, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by stoney12
Michael Barrymore could be handed legal papers whilst in the house , as a private law suit is filed against the death of Stuart Lubbock.
If it's a private law suit, then there's no way that they can get access to him. They wouldn't even be allowed within the compound, but if they were, what can they do? Knock on a door that can't be opened from the inside, and ask to speak to a man that can't hear them anyway? It needs to be given to him by hand as far as I'm aware, and unless they plant someone in the crowd when he leaves the house, it's not going to happen.
They have to get it as near to him as is safely possible. Service of documents is something that we do a lot of at work. If you cannot get to the person safely - or if it clear that they are deliberately avoiding service - by not answering the door etc., then it's fair enough to post them through the letterbox, or under the door (but only after a court order has been granted allowing for service to be effected in this way). If someone is threatening the process server - not an issue in Barrymore's case I shouldn't think - the server should leave the documents as near to him as is safely possible.
I would be absolutely flabbergasted if they gave the documents to him while he was in the house. There is absolutely no need for them to do that. Many documents have to be acknowledged by the person receiving them within a certain time limit, which may prove impossible for Barrymore if he was to stay in the house.
Also, there is absolutely no need for him to be served with the papers while he was in there. They will surely know where to find him once he is out, and he can't do anything anyway until he is out. It would be a very unprofessional outfit that served him with anything while he is still in there.
And of course, as Charlotte said, I really can't see anybody being admitted into the house to give him the papers.
Razmataz
16-01-2006, 07:32 PM
I hate the press full stop.
This thing with sven.
They will blame him if we dont win the world cup...when if they would keep their mouths shut we might stand a chance of winning the damn thing...and handing barrymore papers in the house is illegal...contact with the outside world.:conf:
CharlotteSometimes
16-01-2006, 07:41 PM
Ruth, given that this is a private law suit, is there any way that they could seek court permission to serve the papers on him, regardless of what Channel 4 / Endemol say? I mean if they said something like they fear he'll leave the country as soon as he comes out of the house, so it's necessary because of that?
Razmataz
16-01-2006, 07:42 PM
no doubt the sun will send a plane over tomorrow,
stoney12
16-01-2006, 07:48 PM
I'm not sure how it would happen.If indeedit does.Obviously we won't have someone knocking on the BB door and entering a la Saville.
I imagine if it came to the worse the producers would have to lead Barrymore to a private room to read the papers and decide upon his next plan of action.
Hopefully none of this will happen and it is a knee jerk reaction to MB appearing on BB.
CharlotteSometimes
16-01-2006, 07:51 PM
Still, if they did somehow manage to serve the papers on him while he's in there, or when he's leaving the house, it won't look very good that they've essentially used a publicity stunt. And that would quite probably end up getting more attention than what happened in the first place.
Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes
Ruth, given that this is a private law suit, is there any way that they could seek court permission to serve the papers on him, regardless of what Channel 4 / Endemol say? I mean if they said something like they fear he'll leave the country as soon as he comes out of the house, so it's necessary because of that?
Whoops - only just seen this post Charlotte. In all honesty, I can't see that happening, as he won't be able to leave the country the instant that he comes out of the house - there will doubtless be a press conference and interview etc., etc. So there's little danger of them not being able to get hold of him. But if he did go back to New Zealand immediately, they could even get a process server over there to serve the papers on him.
They could seek court permission, but I really don't think they would get it - particularly not if Ch4 / Endemol could show them that he would not be in a position to leave the country as soon as he left the house.
Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes
Still, if they did somehow manage to serve the papers on him while he's in there, or when he's leaving the house, it won't look very good that they've essentially used a publicity stunt. And that would quite probably end up getting more attention than what happened in the first place.
That's true also. It would look very poor and unprofessional and would probably garner sympathy for Michael, which is the last thing that the people who want to take him to court would want.
Razmataz
17-01-2006, 08:14 AM
No body quite understands...that michael has himself a lot of fans...i think opening night told everyone in the world that.
And i hope he comes back to our TV sets with his own gameshow or something like that.:thumbs:
BusyBee
17-01-2006, 08:39 AM
Quite right Ruth, the chances of permission being given for papers to be served in the house are nil. I think they will be served following his 'release from the house' probably at his hotel. The people bringing the case are doing so now, because he is back in the country. I dont think they are doing it for the publicity, but for justice as they see it.
Sorry Barrymore is driving me mad in the house with his incessant displays of emotion. Are they real or are they to gain sympathy? You decide.
Perhaps it will do him a good service if a case is brought, at least then things will be brought out in the open and all the rumours and allegations can be dealt with.
Originally posted by Gladders_16
No body quite understands...that michael has himself a lot of fans...i think opening night told everyone in the world that.
And i hope he comes back to our TV sets with his own gameshow or something like that.:thumbs:
I shouldn't think there's even the remotest posiibility that he will be given his own gameshow. He seems completely on the edge of a breakdown, and I can't see anyone wanting to offer him his own show.
Originally posted by EugeneSully
haha sorry I know I shouldn't have laughed at the name "Lubcock"... bit rude to laugh eh??
They need to give the guy a break and stop trying to lead him to a nervous breakdown but taking him down. The pool thing is over, it happened 5 years ago they should just leave it be now
Tell that to Steve Lubbocks widow and 2 fatherless kids...If Barrymore is so brave why didn't he take the stand at the hearing back then and come clean with what he saw that night?
Barrymore's solicitors could accept service on his behalf, if they know who the solicitor is.
abbashop79
18-01-2006, 12:29 AM
I think anybody making a full judgement on someone theyve never met is a fool. <- this statement doesnt really make sense does it, since I've never met anybody on here. Interesting.. ;) Anyway I like what I've seen of Michael on Big Brother, he's always been like that (crazy/funny), just not so sad years ago.
I can call you a fool for saying something on this forum but I've never met you in real life and you may not be a fool.
The point I'm trying to make is, Why not give Michael the benefit of the doubt aswell? Do or Say what you like, but I'm guessing you've never met him and are actually quite clueless on the matter.
CharlotteSometimes
18-01-2006, 02:25 AM
Originally posted by Ruth
But if he did go back to New Zealand immediately, they could even get a process server over there to serve the papers on him.
Thanks for the replies, Ruth. :thumbs: I hadn't realised that they could still serve the papers on him abroad. But still, there'd be very little point in doing that, as he wouldn't be in any way compelled to do anything about it, of course. And I don't suppose they'd be able to stop him returning to New Zealand a week after leaving the house or whatever, anyway?
Originally posted by abbashop79
I think anybody making a full judgement on someone theyve never met is a fool. <- this statement doesnt really make sense does it, since I've never met anybody on here. Interesting.. ;) Anyway I like what I've seen of Michael on Big Brother, he's always been like that (crazy/funny), just not so sad years ago.
I can call you a fool for saying something on this forum but I've never met you in real life and you may not be a fool.
The point I'm trying to make is, Why not give Michael the benefit of the doubt aswell? Do or Say what you like, but I'm guessing you've never met him and are actually quite clueless on the matter.
Sorry, but who was that aimed at?
Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes
Thanks for the replies, Ruth. :thumbs: I hadn't realised that they could still serve the papers on him abroad. But still, there'd be very little point in doing that, as he wouldn't be in any way compelled to do anything about it, of course. And I don't suppose they'd be able to stop him returning to New Zealand a week after leaving the house or whatever, anyway?
No, serving the papers on him in NZ would be ineffective really - it would just be done as a matter of routine. And you're right, they wouldn't be able to stop him returning there, as it's a civil, not a criminal matter.
abbashop79
18-01-2006, 10:26 AM
Ruth: anybody who reads it, particularly michael bashers though
Stuart Lubblocks parents were pictured standing in the rain outside the C4 studios in yesterdays paper. They were left outside for hours before being told that the papers would not be given to Barrymore.
Barrymore had the opportunity to give his side of the grisly story at the inquest in to Lubbocks death but refused on the grounds that he would incriminate himself instead of doing the decent thing.....
What a nice bloke...............yeah:bored:
Tanser_Man
18-01-2006, 10:43 AM
I think this is all a myth to be honest.
What was stopping them sending the papers and sorting it out with the New Zealand authorities? Just tabloid talk.
Originally posted by Tanser_Man
I think this is all a myth to be honest.
What was stopping them sending the papers and sorting it out with the New Zealand authorities? Just tabloid talk.
Extradition is not possible in order to take civil action. I don't think theres anything mythological about a married man with kids being found dead face down in a pool with severe anal injuries?
abbashop79
18-01-2006, 11:11 AM
Michael's a very entertaining man, ex-drug-taker, stupid man who's made mistakes, but no murderer. I understand him wanting to avoid being FRAMED, don't you?
This is my opinion.
Tanser_Man
18-01-2006, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by Dr.G
Originally posted by Tanser_Man
I think this is all a myth to be honest.
What was stopping them sending the papers and sorting it out with the New Zealand authorities? Just tabloid talk.
Extradition is not possible in order to take civil action. I don't think theres anything mythological about a married man with kids being found dead face down in a pool with severe anal injuries?
Since when? I seem to remember somebody going through a legal process in Italy on behalf of the English Government not to far back.
I was talking about the myth being that action against him would be taken. If action was going to be taken, it already would have been. Anyway, who is saying Barrymore done anything to that man, it was a party as far as i recall and partys tend to have more then one person attending.
Extradition would not apply in this case, because it's not a criminal matter, it's a civil matter.
Tanser_Man
18-01-2006, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by Ruth
Extradition would not apply in this case, because it's not a criminal matter, it's a civil matter.
I still don't see what would have stopped them charging him when he visits the UK or even before he came into the Big Brother house.
He must have been in the country at least a week before entering the house so surely if they had anything against him, they would have pursued it.
I'm sure they would have had they known his whereabouts. Barrymore could at least have some backbone and come clean with what he knows for the sake of the family.
I initially felt sorry for him but having seen what a nasty character he can be thats soon changed...
James
20-01-2006, 07:11 AM
I have to say if this case ever reached court it would be laughed out of there in five minutes.
The comparitively minor charges of being drunk and disorderly and drug possession have been included to increase the chances of some mud sticking, it appears. However, there was never any evidence that Barrymore was guilty of the serious charge of assault.
This article - http://www.marksimpson.com/pages/journalism/journo_barrymoreint.html - has an alternative view from what has been reported in the press.
CharlotteSometimes
20-01-2006, 08:06 AM
Now that was a very interesting read indeed. If Barrymore could get a copy of that delivered to every home in the country, it would completely turn things around. It's ridiculous that a man lost his career as a result of nothing more than homophobia and vindictive hatred.
texbex
20-01-2006, 08:35 AM
Barrymore needs 2 b careful
Very good read indeed! I think he has done the right thing coming back he was a very well loved entertainer and still has a lot to offer. After all it's quite brave entering the BB house and exposing yourself under extreme circumstances and unlike Jodie he seems to be emerging as a decent sort of a person.
If the allegations could be quashed finally It's could pay off for him - stick with it Michael!
Originally posted by tali
he seems to be emerging as a decent sort of a person.
Seemed to me he's emerged as a weirdo whos teetering on the edge of a serious nervous breakdown and I'd suspect is brain damaged from excessive rec drug and alcohol abuse.
As for that article its pro barrymore propaganda but doesn't really prove anything.
The fundamental question remains if he has nothing to hide why did he flee the scene that night and why has he refused to give his version of events?
Sunny_01
20-01-2006, 10:28 AM
Very good article James - I have always tried to keep an open mind with regards to Michael Barrymore - I dont like the guy as a performer but that doesnt mean I would want him to be punished for something he has NOT been found guilty for.
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Seemed to me he's emerged as a weirdo whos teetering on the edge of a serious nervous breakdown [/quote]
Definately not a doctor with that terminology!
Originally posted by tali
Seemed to me he's emerged as a weirdo whos teetering on the edge of a serious nervous breakdown [/quote]
Definately not a doctor with that terminology! [/quote]
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