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Crimson Dynamo
03-08-2010, 03:00 PM
Like Jesus would
or will he keep it and spend it on material things and park the religion thing for a bit?
They said they would give £30,000 to steve for a new leg, i guess the rest would either be giving to charity or to fund church events.
And where is the bible does it say that Jesus would give away his money?
flamingGalah!
03-08-2010, 03:04 PM
Hmmm, I wonder... One would hope he would donate the lot to a cancer charity, that way he really would be able to help them to find a cure, seeing as he lied about being able to cure it...
pixee
03-08-2010, 03:06 PM
Despite my mistrust of Dave and his pseudo-religion i don't think he is anymore obliged than anyone else to give the money away.
Crimson Dynamo
03-08-2010, 03:06 PM
They said they would give £30,000 to steve for a new leg, i guess the rest would either be giving to charity or to fund church events.
And where is the bible does it say that Jesus would give away his money?
"If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered."
-Proverbs 21:13
"Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy."
-Proverbs 31:8-9
"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money."
-Matthew 6:24
"Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'"
-Matthew 19:23-24
"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me.'"
-Matthew 25:41-45
"He who mocks the poor shows contempt for their Maker; whoever gloats over disaster will not go unpunished."
-Proverbs 17:5
"He who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and he who gives gifts to the rich--both come to poverty."
-Proverbs 22:16
"Jesus answered, 'If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'"
-Matthew 19:21
"He who gives to the poor will lack nothing, but he who closes his eyes to them receives many curses."
-Proverbs 28:27
"People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."
-1 Timothy 6:9-10
"Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life."
-1 Timothy 6:17-19
"Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy."
-Ezekiel 16:49
"Rich and poor have this in common: The LORD is the Maker of them all."
-Proverbs 22:2
"He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God."
-Proverbs 14:31
"A generous man will himself be blessed, for he shares his food with the poor."
-Proverbs 22:9
"Better a poor man whose walk is blameless than a rich man whose ways are perverse."
-Proverbs 28:6
"A faithful man will be richly blessed, but one eager to get rich will not go unpunished."
-Proverbs 28:20
"The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern."
-Proverbs 29:7
"Wealth is worthless in the day of wrath, but righteousness delivers from death."
-Proverbs 11:4
"Do not exploit the poor because they are poor and do not crush the needy in court, for the LORD will take up their case and will plunder those who plunder them."
-Proverbs 22:22-23
"Do not wear yourself out to get rich; have the wisdom to show restraint. Cast but a glance at riches, and they are gone, for they will surely sprout wings and fly off to the sky like an eagle."
-Proverbs 23:4-5
"Whoever loves money never has money enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with his income. This too is meaningless."
-Ecclesiastes 5:10
"A good name is more desirable than great riches; to be esteemed is better than silver or gold."
-Proverbs 22:1
"There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land."
-Deuteronomy 15:11
"Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have."
-Hebrews 13:5
"You evildoers frustrate the plans of the poor, but the Lord is their refuge."
-Psalm 14:6
"He who is kind to the poor lends to the Lord, and He will reward him for what he has done."
-Proverbs 19:17
"A rich man may be wise in his own eyes, but a poor man who has discernment sees through him."
-Proverbs 28:11
"A fortune made by a lying tongue is a fleeting vapor and a deadly snare."
-Proverbs 21:6
"The wealth of the rich is their fortified city; they imagine it an unscalable wall."
-Proverbs 18:11
WOMBAI
03-08-2010, 03:09 PM
No doubt - he will donate a generous amount to a good cause - but he is also entitled to keep some for him and his family!
WOMBAI
03-08-2010, 03:11 PM
"If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered."
-Proverbs 21:13
"Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy."
-Proverbs 31:8-9
"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money."
-Matthew 6:24
"Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'"
-Matthew 19:23-24
"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me.'"
-Matthew 25:41-45
"He who mocks the poor shows contempt for their Maker; whoever gloats over disaster will not go unpunished."
-Proverbs 17:5
"He who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and he who gives gifts to the rich--both come to poverty."
-Proverbs 22:16
"Jesus answered, 'If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'"
-Matthew 19:21
"He who gives to the poor will lack nothing, but he who closes his eyes to them receives many curses."
-Proverbs 28:27
"People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."
-1 Timothy 6:9-10
"Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life."
-1 Timothy 6:17-19
"Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy."
-Ezekiel 16:49
"Rich and poor have this in common: The LORD is the Maker of them all."
-Proverbs 22:2
"He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God."
-Proverbs 14:31
"A generous man will himself be blessed, for he shares his food with the poor."
-Proverbs 22:9
"Better a poor man whose walk is blameless than a rich man whose ways are perverse."
-Proverbs 28:6
"A faithful man will be richly blessed, but one eager to get rich will not go unpunished."
-Proverbs 28:20
"The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern."
-Proverbs 29:7
"Wealth is worthless in the day of wrath, but righteousness delivers from death."
-Proverbs 11:4
"Do not exploit the poor because they are poor and do not crush the needy in court, for the LORD will take up their case and will plunder those who plunder them."
-Proverbs 22:22-23
"Do not wear yourself out to get rich; have the wisdom to show restraint. Cast but a glance at riches, and they are gone, for they will surely sprout wings and fly off to the sky like an eagle."
-Proverbs 23:4-5
"Whoever loves money never has money enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with his income. This too is meaningless."
-Ecclesiastes 5:10
"A good name is more desirable than great riches; to be esteemed is better than silver or gold."
-Proverbs 22:1
"There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land."
-Deuteronomy 15:11
"Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have."
-Hebrews 13:5
"You evildoers frustrate the plans of the poor, but the Lord is their refuge."
-Psalm 14:6
"He who is kind to the poor lends to the Lord, and He will reward him for what he has done."
-Proverbs 19:17
"A rich man may be wise in his own eyes, but a poor man who has discernment sees through him."
-Proverbs 28:11
"A fortune made by a lying tongue is a fleeting vapor and a deadly snare."
-Proverbs 21:6
"The wealth of the rich is their fortified city; they imagine it an unscalable wall."
-Proverbs 18:11
Those without sin ...etc! Forum is full of hypocrites! Sigh!
fizzy
03-08-2010, 03:12 PM
TBF he said he'd use the money to set up an orphanage in India
Crimson Dynamo
03-08-2010, 03:14 PM
TBF he said he'd use the money to set up an orphanage in India
This from a guy who says he has been to the sun and seen a "real" (lol) werewolf?
my arse he would
"If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered."
-Proverbs 21:13
"Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy."
-Proverbs 31:8-9
"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money."
-Matthew 6:24
"Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'"
-Matthew 19:23-24
"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me.'"
-Matthew 25:41-45
"He who mocks the poor shows contempt for their Maker; whoever gloats over disaster will not go unpunished."
-Proverbs 17:5
"He who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and he who gives gifts to the rich--both come to poverty."
-Proverbs 22:16
"Jesus answered, 'If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'"
-Matthew 19:21
"He who gives to the poor will lack nothing, but he who closes his eyes to them receives many curses."
-Proverbs 28:27
"People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."
-1 Timothy 6:9-10
"Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life."
-1 Timothy 6:17-19
"Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy."
-Ezekiel 16:49
"Rich and poor have this in common: The LORD is the Maker of them all."
-Proverbs 22:2
"He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God."
-Proverbs 14:31
"A generous man will himself be blessed, for he shares his food with the poor."
-Proverbs 22:9
"Better a poor man whose walk is blameless than a rich man whose ways are perverse."
-Proverbs 28:6
"A faithful man will be richly blessed, but one eager to get rich will not go unpunished."
-Proverbs 28:20
"The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern."
-Proverbs 29:7
"Wealth is worthless in the day of wrath, but righteousness delivers from death."
-Proverbs 11:4
"Do not exploit the poor because they are poor and do not crush the needy in court, for the LORD will take up their case and will plunder those who plunder them."
-Proverbs 22:22-23
"Do not wear yourself out to get rich; have the wisdom to show restraint. Cast but a glance at riches, and they are gone, for they will surely sprout wings and fly off to the sky like an eagle."
-Proverbs 23:4-5
"Whoever loves money never has money enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with his income. This too is meaningless."
-Ecclesiastes 5:10
"A good name is more desirable than great riches; to be esteemed is better than silver or gold."
-Proverbs 22:1
"There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land."
-Deuteronomy 15:11
"Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have."
-Hebrews 13:5
"You evildoers frustrate the plans of the poor, but the Lord is their refuge."
-Psalm 14:6
"He who is kind to the poor lends to the Lord, and He will reward him for what he has done."
-Proverbs 19:17
"A rich man may be wise in his own eyes, but a poor man who has discernment sees through him."
-Proverbs 28:11
"A fortune made by a lying tongue is a fleeting vapor and a deadly snare."
-Proverbs 21:6
"The wealth of the rich is their fortified city; they imagine it an unscalable wall."
-Proverbs 18:11
He is just as entitled to keep some/all of the money for himself irt would hardly make him rich. You have a vendetta against dave so you will always twist things against him, there is nobody that could ever fake being a Christian for 20 years, it can't be done, he would have been found out is he was fake as you say, and a fake would certainly not go onto the most exposed TV show ever created. He has passed the tests tried to keep the peace in the house, proclaimed the name of Jesus and shown real love to everyone in there. What are his fake motives?
Crimson Dynamo
03-08-2010, 03:15 PM
Those without sin ...etc! Forum is full of hypocrites! Sigh!
it everyone held that scriptural quote dear we would have no forum:hugesmile:
Crimson Dynamo
03-08-2010, 03:16 PM
He is just as entitled to keep some/all of the money for himself irt would hardly make him rich. You have a vendetta against dave so you will always twist things against him, there is nobody that could ever fake being a Christian for 20 years, it can't be done, he would have been found out is he was fake as you say, and a fake would certainly not go onto the most exposed TV show ever created. He has passed the tests tried to keep the peace in the house, proclaimed the name of Jesus and shown real love to everyone in there. What are his fake motives?
he is not a Christian
fail/
fizzy
03-08-2010, 03:17 PM
He was a hristian youth worker in his time, according to him
Ithinkiloveyoutoo
03-08-2010, 03:18 PM
"If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered."
-Proverbs 21:13
"Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy."
-Proverbs 31:8-9
"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money."
-Matthew 6:24
"Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'"
-Matthew 19:23-24
"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me.'"
-Matthew 25:41-45
"He who mocks the poor shows contempt for their Maker; whoever gloats over disaster will not go unpunished."
-Proverbs 17:5
"He who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and he who gives gifts to the rich--both come to poverty."
-Proverbs 22:16
"Jesus answered, 'If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'"
-Matthew 19:21
"He who gives to the poor will lack nothing, but he who closes his eyes to them receives many curses."
-Proverbs 28:27
"People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."
-1 Timothy 6:9-10
"Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life."
-1 Timothy 6:17-19
"Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy."
-Ezekiel 16:49
"Rich and poor have this in common: The LORD is the Maker of them all."
-Proverbs 22:2
"He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God."
-Proverbs 14:31
"A generous man will himself be blessed, for he shares his food with the poor."
-Proverbs 22:9
"Better a poor man whose walk is blameless than a rich man whose ways are perverse."
-Proverbs 28:6
"A faithful man will be richly blessed, but one eager to get rich will not go unpunished."
-Proverbs 28:20
"The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern."
-Proverbs 29:7
"Wealth is worthless in the day of wrath, but righteousness delivers from death."
-Proverbs 11:4
"Do not exploit the poor because they are poor and do not crush the needy in court, for the LORD will take up their case and will plunder those who plunder them."
-Proverbs 22:22-23
"Do not wear yourself out to get rich; have the wisdom to show restraint. Cast but a glance at riches, and they are gone, for they will surely sprout wings and fly off to the sky like an eagle."
-Proverbs 23:4-5
"Whoever loves money never has money enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with his income. This too is meaningless."
-Ecclesiastes 5:10
"A good name is more desirable than great riches; to be esteemed is better than silver or gold."
-Proverbs 22:1
"There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land."
-Deuteronomy 15:11
"Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have."
-Hebrews 13:5
"You evildoers frustrate the plans of the poor, but the Lord is their refuge."
-Psalm 14:6
"He who is kind to the poor lends to the Lord, and He will reward him for what he has done."
-Proverbs 19:17
"A rich man may be wise in his own eyes, but a poor man who has discernment sees through him."
-Proverbs 28:11
"A fortune made by a lying tongue is a fleeting vapor and a deadly snare."
-Proverbs 21:6
"The wealth of the rich is their fortified city; they imagine it an unscalable wall."
-Proverbs 18:11
wow are you into religion to have found all those?
to be fair unless someone is spiritual they will interpret those passages in worldly manners. if dave plans to give some money away he's in the right way i think:dance:
Abhorsen
03-08-2010, 03:18 PM
Like Jesus would
or will he keep it and spend it on material things and park the religion thing for a bit?
Jesus would blow the whole lot on himself.
opera
03-08-2010, 03:20 PM
TBF he said he'd use the money to set up an orphanage in India
yes he talked to ben about setting up an orphanage or something regarding children, don't know if it was india but it was that side i guess.
and i would like him to spend money on his wife and kids and buy them stuff. they are his family and deserve it. you all are acting as if josie wins she will donate it - give me a break - let's see if she keeps her word and does not appear with jjj story in any of the magazines. in fact any winner is entitled to do whatever they wanna do with the money.
Abhorsen
03-08-2010, 03:20 PM
"If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered."
-Proverbs 21:13
"Speak up .......... tongue is a fleeting vapor and a deadly snare."
-Proverbs 21:6
"The wealth of the rich is their fortified city; they imagine it an unscalable wall."
-Proverbs 18:11
Somebody has been busy with the 'copy and paste' haven't they. LOL.
Crimson Dynamo
03-08-2010, 03:21 PM
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/778-john-crowder-sons-of-thunder
Late for the Party
03-08-2010, 03:22 PM
No, he needs that money:
A few acres of land in Guyana (so he can build his commune)= £20,000
Prefabricated temple= £30,000
Prefabricated homes for his followers= £20,000+
Local militia/security enforcement £10,000
Guns and ammo, £2,000
Mixing barrels and Kool-aid= £500
5000g of Cyanide= £10,000
The Look on BB producers faces, when he convinces a few hundred people to drink the Kool-aid= PRICELESS
Crimson Dynamo
03-08-2010, 03:23 PM
"The essence of John Crowder’s (and Daves) ‘ministry’ appears to be this: experience over doctrine. Like those who promoted the controversial revival movements that peaked a few years ago, Crowder tortures the Scriptures in order to find an excuse for outrageous behaviour — which he then attributes to God’s Holy Spirit."
The whole point of a Bible that cannot be altered and doctrine agreed by a Church like Anglican, Protestant and Catholic churches is to guard against people like Dave pretending to be religious
Crimson Dynamo
03-08-2010, 03:24 PM
No, he needs that money:
A few acres of land in Guyana (so he can build his commune)= £20,000
Prefabricated temple= £30,000
Prefabricated homes for his followers= £20,000+
Local militia/security enforcement £10,000
Guns and ammo, £2,000
Mixing barrels and Kool-aid= £500
5000g of Cyanide= £10,000
The Look on BB producers faces, when he convinces a few hundred people to drink the Kool-aid= PRICELESS
:joker:
he is not a Christian
fail/
Ok how about you, or us, agree to meet him, if he agrees to that, after the show and we will have a chat about it?
Crimson Dynamo
03-08-2010, 03:28 PM
Ok how about you, or us, agree to meet him, if he agrees to that, after the show and we will have a chat about it?
:conf:
AfroMullet
03-08-2010, 03:44 PM
I dont doubt the fact that he will use the money to spread the word and (What he believes to be) glory. I dont think anyone realises, but while you all think what he says is bull****, i think he actually believes it. He probabily actually believes he can cure cancer, and maybe he can, god makes the impossible possible, but weather god is with him is another story.
He's either a smart conman, which if he is, i say fairplay, if people are so insecure and need answers so bad they're believe anything, then why not exploit that, they need to smarten up. Or a heavily religious man like he says, i think its the wrong way to go about it, but who am i to judge? No one knows the correct way to praise god as no living man has met him. I honestly think Dave actually believes what he says, and believes what he does is right.
WOMBAI
03-08-2010, 03:47 PM
it everyone held that scriptural quote dear we would have no forum:hugesmile:
Would that be such a bad thing!
In other words - you don't have to be perfect - but he does! :sleep:
Crimson Dynamo
03-08-2010, 03:51 PM
I dont doubt the fact that he will use the money to spread the word and (What he believes to be) glory. I dont think anyone realises, but while you all think what he says is bull****, i think he actually believes it. He probabily actually believes he can cure cancer, and maybe he can, god makes the impossible possible, but weather god is with him is another story.
He's either a smart conman, which if he is, i say fairplay, if people are so insecure and need answers so bad they're believe anything, then why not exploit that, they need to smarten up. Or a heavily religious man like he says, i think its the wrong way to go about it, but who am i to judge? No one knows the correct way to praise god as no living man has met him. I honestly think Dave actually believes what he says, and believes what he does is right.
What do you mean "god makes the impossible possible"?
The correct way to praise god is firmly written down in the Bible. The reason it is written down to stop false prophets like Dave talking bollocks.
WOMBAI
03-08-2010, 03:56 PM
What do you mean "god makes the impossible possible"?
The correct way to praise god is firmly written down in the Bible. The reason it is written down to stop false prophets like Dave talking bollocks.
Well aren't you an old traditionalist - who goes by the rules! Your way or no way! :nono:
AfroMullet
03-08-2010, 03:58 PM
What do you mean "god makes the impossible possible"?
The correct way to praise god is firmly written down in the Bible. The reason it is written down to stop false prophets like Dave talking bollocks.
Well if you believe god to be the an powerfull being, then with him with you, you can do anything.
And that depends on your stance on the bible, god didnt write the bible.
fingers
03-08-2010, 04:02 PM
TBF he said he'd use the money to set up an orphanage in India
Muahahaha, pull the other one, St. Dave!!:joker:
Crimson Dynamo
03-08-2010, 04:08 PM
Well aren't you an old traditionalist - who goes by the rules! Your way or no way! :nono:
That is what religion lives and dies by. hence a religion.
Dave is not a minister nor is he religious
Crimson Dynamo
03-08-2010, 04:10 PM
Well if you believe god to be the an powerfull being, then with him with you, you can do anything.
And that depends on your stance on the bible, god didnt write the bible.
What so you mean "with him with you, you can do anything." can you give an example of someone doing something?
God did "write" the bible if you are a Christian
flamingGalah!
03-08-2010, 04:13 PM
I dont doubt the fact that he will use the money to spread the word and (What he believes to be) glory. I dont think anyone realises, but while you all think what he says is bull****, i think he actually believes it. He probabily actually believes he can cure cancer, and maybe he can, god makes the impossible possible, but weather god is with him is another story.
No, he can't, if he believes he can or not... Can he also re-grow an amputees legs as he claimed?? No, again...
AfroMullet
03-08-2010, 04:30 PM
What so you mean "with him with you, you can do anything." can you give an example of someone doing something?
God did "write" the bible if you are a Christian
LOL surely as a Christian (You are a Christian right?) you believe that with god in your life you can do anything, and that god makes anything possible? The bible gives many examples of this, Jusus walking on water being one of them, and Moses parting the Red Sea being another.
And god didnt write the bible it was writen by many people, he may have given them the word, but he did not write it.
Peter Plunker
03-08-2010, 04:42 PM
"The essence of John Crowder’s (and Daves) ‘ministry’ appears to be this: experience over doctrine. Like those who promoted the controversial revival movements that peaked a few years ago, Crowder tortures the Scriptures in order to find an excuse for outrageous behaviour — which he then attributes to God’s Holy Spirit."
The whole point of a Bible that cannot be altered and doctrine agreed by a Church like Anglican, Protestant and Catholic churches is to guard against people like Dave pretending to be religious
John Crowder isn't in the house, Dave is. Crowder's over soon, perhaps you should come along and question him?
Doctrine without experience is just words on a page.
Peter Plunker
03-08-2010, 04:49 PM
Dave talking bollocks.
Ephesians 4:29
29Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.
Colossians 3:8
8But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.
Danielle1232
03-08-2010, 04:52 PM
Jesus int truee phaaa haaaaaaa
Late for the Party
03-08-2010, 05:03 PM
Jesus int truee phaaa haaaaaaa
No, actually Jesus, the person did really exist (seriously, even Dawkins says it). He was one of the greatest conmen in history.
2000 years on and people are still falling for the scam.
Prostitutes and cocaine hopefully.
watchinittoomuch
03-08-2010, 05:13 PM
When Dave went in I heard him mention something about an orphanage in India? Not sure if it's where he'd want the money to go though..
As for the rest, Bible schmible.
Abhorsen
03-08-2010, 05:23 PM
Just one point being missed in this thread; if Dave does win the money he is entitled to do what he likes with it! Why aren't you discussing what Bill Gates does with his money? Or your friends?
watchinittoomuch
03-08-2010, 05:24 PM
Just one point being missed in this thread; if Dave does win the money he is entitled to do what he likes with it! Why aren't you discussing what Bill Gates does with his money? Or your friends?
Zaccly. I have high fived my screen for you:dance:
Abhorsen
03-08-2010, 05:25 PM
god did "write" the bible if you are a christian
rlmao.
WOMBAI
03-08-2010, 05:27 PM
That is what religion lives and dies by. hence a religion.
Dave is not a minister nor is he religious
That really isn't your place to say! Judging by the comments you have made about people being fat, ugly etc - you don't strike me as genuinely religious!
Horses for courses - noone has the right to say what is the right way to worship God - hence why we have so many different religions!
Crimson Dynamo
03-08-2010, 05:43 PM
LOL surely as a Christian (You are a Christian right?) you believe that with god in your life you can do anything, and that god makes anything possible? The bible gives many examples of this, Jusus walking on water being one of them, and Moses parting the Red Sea being another.
And god didnt write the bible it was writen by many people, he may have given them the word, but he did not write it.
It is a complete misunderstanding of Biblical meaning that allows people like Dave to flourish
if you believe you have god in your life you can do exactly the same as anyone else - you are governed by the laws of physics. The examples that you give are supernatural claims made in the Bible only but i doubt that you would find anyone with an education that really belives that.
Christians believe that the Bible was inspired by god, they dont think he actually wrote it as that would be beyond silly. The Bible was written by forty different writers over a period of fifteen hundred years. From cover to cover, these writers claimed that God gave them every word.
Crimson Dynamo
03-08-2010, 05:45 PM
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That really isn't your place to say! Judging by the comments you have made about people being fat, ugly etc - you don't strike me as genuinely religious!
Horses for courses - noone has the right to say what is the right way to worship God - hence why we have so many different religions!
Wombat I dont think you get religion at all.
There are rules for every organised religion. To be a minister you have to pass exams and do years of study. You dont just hire a monks outfit and laugh a lot.
Crimson Dynamo
03-08-2010, 05:46 PM
Just one point being missed in this thread; if Dave does win the money he is entitled to do what he likes with it! Why aren't you discussing what Bill Gates does with his money? Or your friends?
simply because of the Jesus stance on money. Dave follows Jesus.
AfroMullet
03-08-2010, 05:54 PM
It is a complete misunderstanding of Biblical meaning that allows people like Dave to flourish
if you believe you have god in your life you can do exactly the same as anyone else - you are governed by the laws of physics. The examples that you give are supernatural claims made in the Bible only but i doubt that you would find anyone with an education that really belives that.
Christians believe that the Bible was inspired by god, they dont think he actually wrote it as that would be beyond silly. The Bible was written by forty different writers over a period of fifteen hundred years. From cover to cover, these writers claimed that God gave them every word.
Then you dont believe god to be all powerfull then?
And organised religion on the whole is a scam, Dave is just more obvious.
Peter Plunker
03-08-2010, 06:24 PM
To be a minister you have to pass exams and do years of study.
No you don't.
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