Asperger syndrome?

[Shiner]

I'm not suggesting he's got full blown autism but his social barriers seem to be kinda non-existent. He's not told a lie yet but he keeps telling the kind of truths people don't want to hear about themselves..... and long may it continue. :D

[flamingGalah!]

No, he's just a sh*t stirring little tw@t...

[CaudleHalbard]

He can be seen as an underdeveloped 21-yr old or a slightly overdeveloped 11-yr old! :D

[Peter Plunker]

Having worked in a school for autistic kids I was wondering myself. He's on the spectrum if you ask me.

[Jords]

No.

[watchinittoomuch]

No.

I agree. Sam doesnt have asperger's, he's just a little ****.

He KNOWS what he's doing, there's a difference.

[_Seth]

I dunno what his condition is, but he's definitely got something wrong with him.

[smudgie]

He has gone in to stir it up. And a grand job he is doing. My worry is that he is a bit of a loose cannon and he may go to far and be escorted out of the door.

[CaudleHalbard]

I dunno what his condition is, but he's definitely got something wrong with him.

He inhaled too much of the paint he sprays on walls in his capacity as public vandal..................... sorry "graffiti artist". :D

[zotec]

I think hes been coached by BB to do this to get things going and spice things up.Maybe d.room chats also as to what to do or say to whom next - who knows,but a lot of what he says is spot on.Last night when Dave was moaning about being picked he said " Mario had to pick someone so he chose the biggest pr..k in the house". Brilliant!

[Shasown]

Probably ADHD/ADD if anything.

[fizzy]

I think he's just having his own particular brand of fun

[Shiner]

Having worked in a school for autistic kids I was wondering myself. He's on the spectrum if you ask me.

Agreed. I have some experience with this too which is what got me thinking in the first place.

[watchinittoomuch]

MY son has Asperger's...I know alot about it I live with it...first JJ and now Sam...people CAN be arseholes without having a condition you know.

[Shiner]

Then as you know the thing is there is an Asperger's sliding scale of classification which goes from very obvious to almost unnoticeable. In fact there are many with the condition leading practically normal lives without the slightest clue that they have it.

[watchinittoomuch]

Then as you know the thing is there is an Asperger's sliding scale of classification which goes from very obvious to almost unnoticeable. In fact there are many with the condition leading practically normal lives without the slightest clue that they have it.


Yup, I know about the spectrum, I know that people live with it and dont know...and I also know that some people are just being upfront in your face rude ****ers, which is what Sam was sent in there for.

[Visage]

No.

I just see a cheeky young kid who likes to play the joker, only he doesn't realise when to stop.

He's a fun housemate and I think he's quite the entertainer.

[Beso]

I agree. Sam doesnt have asperger's, he's just a little ****.

He KNOWS what he's doing, there's a difference.

this x

[rosebay11]

I think, Sam, enjoys seeing people suffer, based on the "truths" he hurls at them. He seems to be very intelligent and can "read" people very well, finding out their vulnerable spots. He then takes aim.

He seems to lack empathy of any kind. does not "feel" for the hurt he is causing others. He will say he's sorry when caught out - but only to buy himself further time for refuelling his guns. He's fearless based on the fact he can hurt others without himself feeling any pain - as most "normal" people would. he does not suffer any kind of remorse.

He's a master manipulator.

IMO, there is a name for this condition - and it is not aspergers syndrome.

Makes me shudder to think what he will be up to a few years hence.

[fizzy]

I think, Sam, enjoys seeing people suffer, based on the "truths" he hurls at them. He seems to be very intelligent and can "read" people very well, finding out their vulnerable spots. He then takes aim.

He seems to lack empathy of any kind. does not "feel" for the hurt he is causing others. He will say he's sorry when caught out - but only to buy himself further time for refuelling his guns. He's fearless based on the fact he can hurt others without himself feeling any pain - as most "normal" people would.

He's a master manipulator.

Makes me shudder to think what he will be up to a few years hence.


I would be the same as you but surely he's only doing it for the show?

[Shiner]

I think, Sam, enjoys seeing people suffer, based on the "truths" he hurls at them. He seems to be very intelligent and can "read" people very well, finding out their vulnerable spots. He then takes aim.

He seems to lack empathy of any kind. does not "feel" for the hurt he is causing others. He will say he's sorry when caught out - but only to buy himself further time for refuelling his guns. He's fearless based on the fact he can hurt others without himself feeling any pain - as most "normal" people would. he does not suffer any kind of remorse.He's a master manipulator.

IMO, there is a name for this condition - and it is not aspergers syndrome.

Makes me shudder to think what he will be up to a few years hence.

Absolute classic symptoms of what I'm on about.

[BB_Eye]

Lol, Sam does not have Asperger's. What a ludicrous statement. People with Asperger's syndrome couldn't manipulate anyone of they tried. They are normally shy and introverted. Andrew has the most telltale signs of Asperger's in the house.

[rosebay11]

I was editing my last post as you were replying, so your quote misses out wsome of what I've said.

I do not believe he is doing this only for the show. Sure he had planned in advance that he would do it, but he is such a master of the "technique"! He has been doing this from he was very young, IMO.


Also, the buddies he hangs out with - a much older age-group than himself seemed to indicate that he was more than just a prankster on when they were interviewed on the BBLB show.

[fizzy]

I was editing my last post as you were replying, so your quote misses out wsome of what I've said.

I do not believe he is doing this only for the show. Sure he had planned in advance that he would do it, but he is such a master of the "technique"! He has been doing this from he was very young, IMO.


Also, the buddies he hangs out with - a much older age-group than himself seemed to indicate that he was more than just a prankster on when they were interviewed on the BBLB show.


Maybe you're right :eek:

[Shiner]

Lol, Sam does not have Asperger's. What a ludicrous statement. People with Asperger's syndrome could manipulate anyone of they tried. They are normally shy and introverted. Andrew has the most telltale signs of Asperger's in the house.

Well not as ludicrous as you might think. The only people that Sam has "manipulated" as you say are the ones that can't handle the truth because that is all he is dishing out. It is impossible to set a "type" for people with Asperger's, the syndrome manifests itself in many different ways in many different people. Anyone of the HM's could have it and you'd never know. I'd be interested in knowing how you qualify your statement.

[rosebay11]

In case there is any misunderstanding of what I've said, at no stage have I insinuated that Sam has Aspergers.

I have known some young people with this condition and IMO, they have not resembld SAM. Asperers' sufferers can, as stated above, range over a wide spectrum of intelligence from being slow learners to being geniuses. Usually their biggest difficulty is in fitting in socially with others. They tend to be introverted and have difficulty expressing emotions. Many that I have known have been acutely aware of their dificiencies on a social level and had tried very hard to overcome this condition.

My favourite example of someone who has aspergers is Yvgeny Kissin, the young Russian pianist. There are documentaries on him showing how he has battled with the condition. Generally IMO, aspergers sufferers can come across as being rather "formal" and "stiff" in their social interaction with others - but, at the same time, are very sweet people, in my experience.

[Shasown]

Bugger off he is an attention seeking twat is all, Psychologists would label him ADD but I would label him as not having sufficient love/nurturing/discipline as a child. Just needs the occassional twatting to keep him behaving normal.

[BB_Eye]

Well not as ludicrous as you might think. The only people that Sam has "manipulated" as you say are the ones that can't handle the truth because that is all he is dishing out. It is impossible to set a "type" for people with Asperger's, the syndrome manifests itself in many different ways in many different people. Anyone of the HM's could have it and you'd never know. I'd be interested in knowing how you qualify your statement.

Sam does not have Asperger's Syndrome nor is a lack of empathy synonymous with Asperger's Syndrome. Sorry, but you're going to have to accept that. You have nothing to support your statement and clearly know nothing about the subject.

[seanraff07]

He's a childish, ignorant twat.

[Shiner]

Sam does not have Asperger's Syndrome nor is a lack of empathy synonymous with Asperger's Syndrome. Sorry, but you're going to have to accept that. You have nothing to support your statement and clearly know nothing about the subject.

Seeing as you doubt my own personal experience, taken from wikipedia...

The lack of demonstrated empathy is possibly the most dysfunctional aspect of Asperger syndrome.[2] Individuals with AS experience difficulties in basic elements of social interaction, which may include a failure to develop friendships or to seek shared enjoyments or achievements with others (for example, showing others objects of interest), a lack of social or emotional reciprocity, and impaired nonverbal behaviors in areas such as eye contact, facial expression, posture, and gesture.[1]

Unlike those with autism, people with AS are not usually withdrawn around others; they approach others, even if awkwardly. For example, a person with AS may engage in a one-sided, long-winded speech about a favorite topic, while misunderstanding or not recognizing the listener's feelings or reactions, such as a need for privacy or haste to leave.[5] This social awkwardness has been called "active but odd".[1] This failure to react appropriately to social interaction may appear as disregard for other people's feelings, and may come across as insensitive.[5]
However, not all individuals with AS will approach others. Some of them may even display selective mutism, speaking not at all to most people and excessively to specific people. Some may choose to talk only to people they like.[21]

Many children with AS are initially misdiagnosed with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).

It's all there you don't need to get anti with me.

[Shiner]

Also I too have not come out and conclusively stated that he has AS. All I've said is that the classic signs are there. Even those that have tried to shoot down this theory have inadvertently supported the notion.

Night night folks.

[Shasown]

Problem with that is he doesnt have a lack of empathy, he knows his comments questions and actions will create a reaction in people not only the person he is interacting with but also those watching too. He anticipates the reaction, in fact he revels in it.

[BB_Eye]

Seeing as you doubt my own personal experience, taken from wikipedia...

I do doubt your own personal experience. Mostly because it is very apparent you have never met anybody with Asperger's syndrome.

It's all there you don't need to get anti with me.Sam doesn't have any difficulty with influencing and socialising with other people. he has no major obsessions, no social naivete (quite the opposite), no deficiencies in hand-eye coordination or motor skills, is extrovert and confident, almost cocky, even among people he doesn't know and shows zero signs of social anxiety.

You are seriously grasping at straws trying to diagnose a person like Sam with Asperger's.

[rosebay11]

Shiner - thanks for that wikipedia definition - I can see, in every word of it, descripions of young people I've known , who had/have AS.

It's plain to see, Sam does does not have this condition.

But he does seem to lack empathy for others - which makes him act cruelly without a second thought. He does seem to derive pleasure from being able to hurt people in this way. Also claims quite an amount of power over others through using these tactics.

It really is a form of bullying, as he is managing to attack people's self-confidence and self-esteeem. Have not seen him building anybody up in the house.

I would imagine he learnd these skills when he was very young. I could be wrong - but I would guess - he learned to direct this kind of thing towards his mother - and did not have a strong father to keep him in line.

On another thread, the question has been asked - why Josie? One theory might be that Josie is known as the "mother" figure in the JJJ relationship [also the baby, of course, when thumb-sucking] - so not to carry this theory too far, I would think lot of Sams' "power" comes from his relationship - or lack of- with his mother, or mother figure in his life as a child.

[Christa]

He is just attention whoring for the cameras by being an immature little twat. That's all.

[Grimnir]

SAM TO WIN

Hopefully he makes Josie cry soon :elephant:

I loved it when he said she was the type to sell her story to the gutter press

she got so defensive didn't she, truth hurts thats why

fat slag she is

the hippo doth protest TOO MUCH methinks

[Angus]

MY son has Asperger's...I know alot about it I live with it...first JJ and now Sam...people CAN be arseholes without having a condition you know.

I agree. I think people are too ready to label anti-social behaviours so they can hide behind that label and excuse it instead of addressing the actual problem.

Sam knows exactly what he's doing and is deliberately being an a*sehole, so long may it continue whilst the dross remains in the house.:D

[Shiner]

I do doubt your own personal experience. Mostly because it is very apparent you have never met anybody with Asperger's syndrome.

Only everytime I look in the mirror. ;)

[_Seth]

http://bb-cache.channel4.com/bigbrother/video/2010/Aug/5/another-day-another-fight/play.c4

There's definitely something wrong with him. Sorry but that just isn't normal.

[I'm Buzzin!]

My worry is that he is a bit of a loose cannon and he may go to far and be escorted out of the door.

That would make for good tv

[Sunday]

I think BB primed him what to do before he went in and he is doing it all the way, LOL.

Some of the time he is funny and cute, then I want to slap him the next minute, he is one of those annoying type.

[rosebay11]

Sam had antagonised the BB applicants long before he got into the house. He, IMO, was chosen to go in because of what he had said he would do to shake things up. Granted, it's possible he does get some coaching too.

[watchinittoomuch]

The difference between Sam and an AS 'sufferer' is that Sam fully expects, and understands, the reactions he gets....people with Asperger's dont...

[Alpertinator]

Sam is not reminiscent of Aspergers. More like ADHD, but not aspergers at all.

Housemate most fitting the symptoms of aspergers is John James. Very much so.

[spyro66]

MY son has Asperger's...I know alot about it I live with it...first JJ and now Sam...people CAN be arseholes without having a condition you know.

Couldn't agree more, my son also has Asperger's and if he behaved like Sam I would be ashamed ......... He doesn't he a very polite young man he simply has communication issues :xyxwave:

[watchinittoomuch]

Couldn't agree more, my son also has Asperger's and if he behaved like Sam I would be ashamed ......... He doesn't he a very polite young man he simply has communication issues :xyxwave:

Hiya :)

There's only ever been one housemate that I thought displayed the signs, and that was Eugene, but I cant remember if it was confirmed?

[rosebay11]

I wouldn't regard Sam as having AS. Wouldn't deny he has some qualities that are not very endearing to others.

As for JohnJ, I think his is an anger issue -pure and simple. Also, i think he can be controlled by older women - especially his mother.

[jj43]

Absolute classic symptoms of what I'm on about.

R u suggesting he is a psychopath in the making

[Shasown]

The difference between Sam and an AS 'sufferer' is that Sam fully expects, and understands, the reactions he gets....people with Asperger's dont...

Exactly right.

[Shiner]

R u suggesting he is a psychopath in the making

No. :rolleyes: All I'm saying is that he displays signs of having a very mild form of autism (not saying he's autistic mind) which can be so slight that it often goes undiagnosed, where in layman's terms, their brains are not wired exactly the same as most for social interaction and they tend to say the type things that most people keep to themselves (or only say behind peoples backs) to avoid embarrassment. I'm not suggesting he has no control over what he is saying as some of the "experts" on here think I am either because that is an entirely different thing altogether.

Sheesh.

[sarahcc25]

no he does not have it my son has it so please do not make assumptions about people it is insensitive

[gauloisesgirl]

Have to agree with shiner. Having a 16 year old diagnosed with Aspergers, Sam fits the same profile as my son. His voice is a tell tale sign, the monotone. The lack of eye contact, and the apparent disregard for the feelings of others. He is not "in your face" Aspergers, like my son, he is on the fringes but definitely Aspergers. As for deliberately stirring things up, if he is Aspergers, he really is an innocent.

[as90]

I know a couple of people with aspergers and sam definitely fits the mold, it's a bit of a "rain man" situation at first but that's the way they are, i still believe asergers is more nurture than nature.

But if he doesn't have aspergers then his conscience is a bit messed up.

[watchinittoomuch]

I know a couple of people with aspergers and sam definitely fits the mold, it's a bit of a "rain man" situation at first but that's the way they are, i still believe asergers is more nurture than nature.

But if he doesn't have aspergers then his conscience is a bit messed up.

Nurture more than nature?

Utter bollocks..I have two children, I have brought them up exactly the same, they are both taught the same values and have both the same love, and my eldest has AS and my daughter doesnt.

It's genetic, and I resent the implication it might be otherwise.

[as90]

Nurture more than nature?

Utter bollocks..I have two children, I have brought them up exactly the same, they are both taught the same values and have both the same love, and my eldest has AS and my daughter doesnt.

It's genetic, and I resent the implication it might be otherwise.

Ok, i didn't say i was an authority, i'm sure your more right than me. So what do you think about sam?

[watchinittoomuch]

Ok, i didn't say i was an authority, i'm sure your more right than me. So what do you think about sam?

Sam doesnt have AS...he KNOWS what he's saying, he expects the reactions, he understands them....he purposefully says what he does because he knows full well how it will affect people.

People with AS have no idea why what they say offends anyone and cant read the reactions they get.

[Shasown]

I dont know why people bother going through medical school then training to be psychologists, bit of a waste of time, we should simply put details on a persons personality up on a forum then set up a poll for all the people who have real experience by having a friend of a friend who has..... to decide.