People Change - has any hm in there been on a 'journey' and changed

[fizzy]

?

I know I've changed just watching BB over the last month. Big time. anyone else

[GypsyGoth]

I think Andrew has changed a bit.

[stonedape]

Mario Josie and Andrew have all grown up a bit.

[fizzy]

Yeah TBF to Andrew he has changed. Mario I'd agree with that.

Josie? please explain

[Jords]

Andrew is more confident, not sure about any of the others.

[fizzy]

Andrew is more confident, not sure about any of the others.

yes.

[Shasown]

Steve went to Northern Ireland and came back without his legs.


I have a feeling though thats not what you mean is it?

[fizzy]

Steve went to Northern Ireland and came back without his legs.


I have a feeling though thats not what you mean is it?

No I mean personality wise in the house.

But that undoubtedly made steve more charitable and determined :)

[Shasown]

Josey changed from what seemed alright into a miserable bunny boiler

[fizzy]

josey changed from what seemed alright into a miserable bunny boiler

lol

[wass007]

yhh John james went from being a douche, to an even bigger douche

[Shasown]

I suppose in a way Corin also changed, she came is as quite loud and bubbly always there with advice or a shoulder to cry on. in a way you could say she changed from giving out free advice to giving out free handjobs

[starry]

People don't change in just a few weeks, that's all a fiction. Maybe people settle down more after a while as they get used to the unusual circumstances and feel they have to play up to an image less.

[fizzy]

People don't change in just a few weeks, that's all a fiction. Maybe people settle down more after a while as they get used to the unusual circumstances and feel they have to play up to an image less.

How would you know?

[BlackOrWhite]

John James - He's not angry so much anymore.
Andrew - He's gone from being shy to becoming a perverted arsehole.
Mario - He's become a miserable, sulking attention seeker instead of the weird, rapey pervert he used to be.
Rachel - Gradually become louder and even more annoying.

[starry]

How would you know?

I just don't believe it. They aren't exactly normal circumstances on BB anyway. And we are fed this 'journey' idea every year by the producers as it makes people think it's still a social experiment when the focus of this show stopped being that a long time ago.

[fizzy]

I just don't believe it. They aren't exactly normal circumstances on BB anyway. And we are fed this 'journey' idea every year by the producers as it makes people think it's still a social experiment when the focus of this show stopped being that a long time ago.

OK. so you don't believe what ife did that you learn more in BB than in the same amount of time IRL?

[joeysteele]

The biggest change is in Josie,definately.
The early weeks in the house, she was friends to everybody, she laughed loads, had a great personality and was the eprson near all would want to be in the company of.
She was lively, full of beans and had time for everyone in there.
Slowly as her obsession and delusion(because thats what it is) grew with John James and then he, knowing full well that possible romances on BB get massive airtime on broadcasts,was able to draw her in to a game,that's what it is to him,he has been clever,he knows in the past that guys in a romantic thing in the house became like putty in the girls hands, namely STU with Michelle and also Luke with BEX.
So JJames plays it down but keeps her dangling and very close, Joise has since then turned into a very lazy detached woman,no energy, little interest in anything,a single topic for maost of the time namely JJames and in truth she has let herself go, like the line goes, 'she is sacrificing happiness tomoroow for a bit of it today'.

She has become distant from the others, has no interests in tasks unless she is alongside JJames and has turned into a very sad sight indeed.
She will look back,once she is out the house and Jjames long gone back to Australia,and think, what happened that she came to waste her time so much in the house,where did her logic and happy go lucky personality go.
It is all very sad,maybe if she wins, JJames will stick around a bit but if he wins,once the formalities of BB are over he will be off home.

Another thing. people who say they aren't interested in the money as JJames repeatedly does,generally are the ones 'MOST' interested in the money,....THE MONEY ONLY TOO!!.

[Angus]

I don't think any of them have actually changed, rather that their public masks have slipped here and there, and in JJ's case seems to have been discarded altogether, so that the viewers are now seeing him for the deceitful, nastly little sh*t he is.

[watchinittoomuch]

Andrew.

He's not longer just a geek...he's a geek with the horn.

[wilful_woodpecker]

Another thing. people who say they aren't interested in the money as JJames repeatedly does,generally are the ones 'MOST' interested in the money,....THE MONEY ONLY TOO!!.

but he has no need of the prize money; I do believe he went in the BB house for the experience. He is as obsessed as Mario about BB

[fizzy]

The biggest change is in Josie,definately.
The early weeks in the house, she was friends to everybody, she laughed loads, had a great personality and was the eprson near all would want to be in the company of.
She was lively, full of beans and had time for everyone in there.
Slowly as her obsession and delusion(because thats what it is) grew with John James and then he, knowing full well that possible romances on BB get massive airtime on broadcasts,was able to draw her in to a game,that's what it is to him,he has been clever,he knows in the past that guys in a romantic thing in the house became like putty in the girls hands, namely STU with Michelle and also Luke with BEX.
So JJames plays it down but keeps her dangling and very close, Joise has since then turned into a very lazy detached woman,no energy, little interest in anything,a single topic for maost of the time namely JJames and in truth she has let herself go, like the line goes, 'she is sacrificing happiness tomoroow for a bit of it today'.

She has become distant from the others, has no interests in tasks unless she is alongside JJames and has turned into a very sad sight indeed.
She will look back,once she is out the house and Jjames long gone back to Australia,and think, what happened that she came to waste her time so much in the house,where did her logic and happy go lucky personality go.
It is all very sad,maybe if she wins, JJames will stick around a bit but if he wins,once the formalities of BB are over he will be off home.

Another thing. people who say they aren't interested in the money as JJames repeatedly does,generally are the ones 'MOST' interested in the money,....THE MONEY ONLY TOO!!.


I don't want John to win now. I want Jo FTW

[Kazanne]

The biggest change is in Josie,definately.
The early weeks in the house, she was friends to everybody, she laughed loads, had a great personality and was the eprson near all would want to be in the company of.
She was lively, full of beans and had time for everyone in there.
Slowly as her obsession and delusion(because thats what it is) grew with John James and then he, knowing full well that possible romances on BB get massive airtime on broadcasts,was able to draw her in to a game,that's what it is to him,he has been clever,he knows in the past that guys in a romantic thing in the house became like putty in the girls hands, namely STU with Michelle and also Luke with BEX.
So JJames plays it down but keeps her dangling and very close, Joise has since then turned into a very lazy detached woman,no energy, little interest in anything,a single topic for maost of the time namely JJames and in truth she has let herself go, like the line goes, 'she is sacrificing happiness tomoroow for a bit of it today'.

She has become distant from the others, has no interests in tasks unless she is alongside JJames and has turned into a very sad sight indeed.
She will look back,once she is out the house and Jjames long gone back to Australia,and think, what happened that she came to waste her time so much in the house,where did her logic and happy go lucky personality go.
It is all very sad,maybe if she wins, JJames will stick around a bit but if he wins,once the formalities of BB are over he will be off home.

Another thing. people who say they aren't interested in the money as JJames repeatedly does,generally are the ones 'MOST' interested in the money,....THE MONEY ONLY TOO!!.

Joey,I agree with this the Josie that went in seems to have completely vanished

[Kazanne]

lol

I'll try not to write for too long as i know you dont like it,so I'll just say Crabeyes is the biggest disappointment for me,i actually liked him when he went in.and Josie?well where has she gone?

[joeysteele]

Wilful Woodpecker,WIth respect but sorry you are wrong,
People who DON'T need or say they don't need the money, really are the greediest people for wanting to get their hands on lots more of it. Any chance they get as well.

[Jamietwo]

no one has stood out for me, but i think the group as a whole , except for sam mabey as he's only been there a few days. watching steve and mario have a drink together last night touched me, how they have got to know each other , i admire all of them for being in that weird environment for so long and just surviving really ..it's gotta change you.

[joeysteele]

I didn't say they all or most of them hadn't changed in some way,I said the BIGGEST change was in Josie.
JJames is still the devious and false twerp he was after the 2nd week,maybe only CORIN is totally no different,staying true to herself like BEN did.

[watchinittoomuch]

no one has stood out for me, but i think the group as a whole , except for sam mabey as he's only been there a few days. watching steve and mario have a drink together last night touched me, how they have got to know each other , i admire all of them for being in that weird environment for so long and just surviving really ..it's gotta change you.

Hahahaha! Mario is proper laying on the attention to Dave...there's nothing like guilt to make you kiss someone's arse.

[psychtracker]

I'm not sure i've noticed any "big time" change. Maybe as per an earlier post - Josie, but i wasn't watching Live Feed for the first couple of weeks, so i'm not sure whether she was hiding the self absorbed and manipulative sides of her personality, or the HL shows where giving her a good edit.

Mario - seems to have gotten more paranoid and unstable within the group, particularly since Ife left.

John - i think has grown in confidence in some ways - showing more dominance, particularly just in the last week since Ben has left, but is still prone to cowering behind Josie for emotional support.

Dave - has grown in stature and confidence within the group - especially since the Uber Cougar challenge, where he was missed for his entertainment value.

Steve - seems to have been on a slow and steady descent down the pecking order within the group, and is pretty much an outsider now.

Jo - started out in a blaze of glory, but quickly slotted into second in command behind Josie, she seems to be either biding her time - and happy to play second fiddle, or getting ready for an ascendancy toward the throne!

[Kazanne]

Hahahaha! Mario is proper laying on the attention to Dave...there's nothing like guilt to make you kiss someone's arse.

I don't like Mario much,but why should he feel guilty,he is allowed to nominate who he wants afterall Dave has nominated him in the past,I'm sure.

[watchinittoomuch]

I don't like Mario much,but why should he feel guilty,he is allowed to nominate who he wants afterall Dave has nominated him in the past,I'm sure.

I dont like Mario either, but I cant remember him being as attentive to Dave as his he now....massaging him, doing his hair, spending time with him...he probably does fell ****ty about putting him up and is trying to over compensate.

[Mac Hiavellian]

Dave's changed physically, Andrew's a tad more confident (but maybe that was alll a game anyway?), but I honestly think Mario's stayed the same since the mole task ended - a stroppy little brat

[Showstopper]

Well JJ is about 2 pounds lighter then he was yesterday

[starry]

I don't believe much of what Ife says really. She went in there saying she was really self aware and had read The Secret, but she didn't seem that self aware of some of the weaknesses in her character to me. She was quick to criticise tratis in others but wasn't willing to see some of those same traits in herself.

Looking back on one of the past episodes today an interesting point was made by Shabby (agreeing with something she had been told by Keeva). This was about how the style of someone is stripped away on the show and the full person is shown more. That doesn't mean of course that someone actually learns from that happening. And it doesn't mean that they have changed only that some exterior is taken off revealing more of what was already there.

Shabby's point was ironically alongside her decision not to walk that day, how she said she understood things better and that it should be the public who decide who goes not herself. She certainly went back on that lol.

[joeysteele]

Speaking fairly and from what I've seen on LF and E4 live,MARIO has for weeks now done massages for most of the guys, Dave regularly and also more so BEN, he has even massages Jjames.and also Steves shoulders too.H did BEN and Dave everyday. So although I don't like Mario at all, he is only doing what he has for weeks, its just BB is likely showing it more,they've barely had time to show all the other times all we have really had for weeks now is JJames and Josie,the fake romance and the all covering duvet.Espeacially on the HL programming.

[_Seth]

Not this year, but Glyn and Aisleyne did.

[fizzy]

I don't believe much of what Ife says really. She went in there saying she was really self aware and had read The Secret, but she didn't seem that self aware of some of the weaknesses in her character to me. She was quick to criticise tratis in others but wasn't willing to see some of those same traits in herself.

Looking back on one of the past episodes today an interesting point was made by Shabby (agreeing with something she had been told by Keeva). This was about how the style of someone is stripped away on the show and the full person is shown more. That doesn't mean of course that someone actually learns from that happening. And it doesn't mean that they have changed only that some exterior is taken off revealing more of what was already there.

Shabby's point was ironically alongside her decision not to walk that day, how she said she understood things better and that it should be the public who decide who goes not herself. She certainly went back on that lol.


wow. OK

[fizzy]

Not this year, but Glyn and Aisleyne did.

I'm cookin an egg for the very first time, arum, arum

[toothpick]

josie's journey involved going from a 40inch waistline to wearing a duvet all day...