Are 'We' bullying Michael Barrymore?

[abbashop79]

His life spun out of control, so he organises stuff now. He's a mess. I hope that we, the public, can be nice to him eventually!

Some (or Most) of the younger peoples reaction to Michael is terrible....shameful... it says alot more about how messed up they are, not Mike ..he's their victim!

It's ironic with all the talks of housemates bullying others in the BB House, that noone has picked up on the bullying Michael is receiving by a HUGE number of this countries population! Alot of the people in their 20's or so take pleasure in down talking him, so all their friends can laugh. Isnt this setting a bad example and perpetuating the problems with Michael? Yes he made mistakes, but let him get back up...instead of kicking a man when he's down.. Come on..

What do you think?

[stoney12]

Well said, he is clearly confused in the house.He was ill advised to go on the show and as regards his past ,there is a horrible under lying current that he is guilty of......something.Not so much by the HM's who have largley been good to him (except Jodie) ,but by the outside world.

No comeback antyime soon then, but he does'nt deserve any back biting.

[coltrane]

I can't I'm sorry - he was arrogant while popular, & fled out the country asap when one of the people at a "god only knows what" party at his house! Yes he's in need of help...So are the guys parents. Michael Barrynore's state now is self inflicted, guilt maybe, but there are good support groups -National TV isn't one and he would know that. Respect for trying to re launch his TV career, but it's over already, his healing isnot..yet.

I'm sorry for the bloke yes - but I don't like it, he's scary as some of the HM's have said. Just my opinion!:conf:

[Dan_]

People are saying some bad things about him but you cannot specify that as bullying.

[AndyJK]

Originally posted by abbashop79
His life spun out of control, so he organises stuff now. He's a mess. I hope that we, the public, can be nice to him eventually!

Some (or Most) of the younger peoples reaction to Michael is terrible....shameful... it says alot more about how messed up they are, not Mike ..he's their victim!

It's ironic with all the talks of housemates bullying others in the BB House, that noone has picked up on the bullying Michael is receiving by a HUGE number of this countries population! Alot of the people in their 20's or so take pleasure in down talking him, so all their friends can laugh. Isnt this setting a bad example and perpetuating the problems with Michael? Yes he made mistakes, but let him get back up...instead of kicking a man when he's down.. Come on..

What do you think?

Barrymore has been overbearing at times but I don't think he's a bully or intended to come across that way. He's just bad at giving advice to much younger people than himself

If anyone wants to see evidence of bullying have a peek at Jodie Marsh's website blog - and she's suppose to be an active anti-bullying campaigner??!! - where she's written some very nasty, hurtful and spiteful things about Barrymore. She's called him "scum of the earth", refers to him in every entry as "bullymore" and says he knows more about the death of Stuart Lubbock than he's let on. And all at the same time acknowledging he needs help over his problems. Now that IS kicking a man when he's down.

And I was stupid enough to feel sorry for her too. I need my head examined. :bored:

[stoney12]

She needs to be careful about her continuing accusastions on Barrymore and the Lubbock case.She used this in the house , and was the only HM to sink so low as to do that.

At the end of the day she and Barrymore (and just about everyone ) did not see eye to eye.We have it in the house every year.

What she is insunating is Far ,far worse and possibly liabolous.

[AndyJK]

Originally posted by stoney12
She needs to be careful about her continuing accusastions on Barrymore and the Lubbock case.She used this in the house , and was the only HM to sink so low as to do that.

At the end of the day she and Barrymore (and just about everyone ) did not see eye to eye.We have it in the house every year.

What she is insunating is Far ,far worse and possibly liabolous.

It just shows what a vindictive, wicked person Jodie can be.

[Bahn2]

Fames a cruel thing, but you get your five years or so on the goggle box and that's your lot really. If you're lucky like Barrymore you get a good 20 years on the gravy train.

If you're going to be a family entertainer and some poor guy ends up in your swimming pool dead at one of your drunken sex parties, your number is up mate. Time to retire.

It's pee wee herman syndrome.

[sol]

After that argument with Dennis, he lost what little support he had from me, I cant stand him - i think he has issues, and im not joking, theres a screw lose somewhere with him :shocked:

[tali]

In Barrymoores defence, re the swimming pool incident. Dennis said the other day in the diary room that he has 3 or 4 partys a week, anyone can come (refering to the housemates, BB executives etc...) and they can do what they want he went on to say "anything goes" Could the same thing happen in those circumstances. We are too quick to judge!

With regard to Jodie Marsh she jumps on any band wagon that is going to get her press coverage she is the most insincere person I have ever seen and I agree with Andy vindictive and wicked!

[GlitterEyes]

He made one mistake and people judge him on that. Everyone makes mistakes and the press and most of the public want to see him fall on his face which is NOT nice. Barrymore is a very entertaining person and he still does have some problems which he is still dealing with, his is facing his issues head on and not shying away from them. That is something that should be applauded not bashed.

[tali]

Hear,Hear, Glitter Eyes

[dontvotestupidly]

You need to remember that at his height, Michael was *the* best family Tv presenter in the Uk without a doubt - I remember watching his shows as a kid, and was sorry to hear about ITV dropping him after that guy died in his pool

[Dr.G]

I felt sorry for him when he arrived but having seen how he behaves i can only conclude that he is not well and its just not in his best interests to be appearing on this type of show. Unfortunately for him it would seem he really has set himself up for a nasty fall indeed...

[CharlotteSometimes]

I think he saw this as his last opportunity to save his career. So he's not only got that idea on his mind, but also the same stresses and strains as the other hm's. Whenever we see any of them kicking off, it generally seems really petty and uncalled for. But when you're put into a locked house with ten strangers, in the same living space, sharing the same bathroom, eating and even sleeping together, the little things are bound to be blown out of all proportion. It's easy to jump to the conclusion that he's mentally unstable. I'm still not convinced that it's anything more than nervousness and the much higher stakes involved as far as Barrymore is concerned.

[chick]

I like micheal I think he is a very nice person really.

[abbashop79]

Hi I agree with some of the responses here, and I'm glad to see people saying good things about Michael Barrymore. I used to watch Strike It Lucky quite often.

I agree editing will make housemates seem more crazy than one would experience in the course of every day real life. The editors take out key bits of information that if left in, would let us instantly make sense of situations/arguements/debates. They do this to make the viewing more compulsive, intriguing.

Jodie Marsh:
I too fell prey to feeling "sorry" for Jodie, and agreed with Richard and Judy that she was bullied. But no, she got a response from the housemates, to the evil that came out of her mouth. When I found out she had actually played the "Lubbock card" with Michael, I realised she is a bully. Perhaps she is a bully because she received bullying earlier in her life, but none the less, she is a bully. I now feel sorry for her for a different reason... She's evil! I hope she gets better because I love her nose (I suspect her lady friends do too), and her lips are lovely when she manages to get her lipstick right, instead of looking like a clown with a big lipstick set of lips!

I hope Michael wins. Failing that, I'd like to see Maggot win. Preston's cheating on his GF, and Chantelle already won her own game really. Pete doesnt deserve to win, though I think he's ok, he should try and grow up a bit.

Peace! :)

[Dr.G]

After seeing Micheal on last nights C4 show I have to say that he really has done himself proud by rising above the pettiness and surely must have put himself well in contention to win now.

[Schlick]

Michael Barrymore knows what happened at around 5.00am in his Roydon, Essex mansion on Saturday 31 March, 2001, to 31-year-old Stuart Lubbock. His parents, and partner and mother of his children will get no rest until they find out who it was that Essex Police and pathologists agreed was guilty of 'a serious sexual assault' on Stuart Lubbock that night. Remember that four separate pathologists all said the same thing, Neither for that matter will Michael Barrymore get any rest until he tells the truth. Nor will the individual or individuals who perpetrated that assault have any rest until they confess their role in Stuart's death. Barrymore is on record as never having written to or 'phoned any of Stuart Lubbock's family to express his regret about what happened that night. And at the inquest, he refused to answer questions about his abuse and supply of Class A and Class B drugs to party guests, on the grounds that he might incriminated himself (at an inquest, you don't have to answer all questions put to you). To be honest, all of us have a few things we would prefer other people not to know about, and we may feel guilty about them. But Barrymore more than most owes it to Stuart Lubbock's family to tell the truth now

[abbashop79]

Originally posted by Schlick
Michael Barrymore knows what happened at around 5.00am in his Roydon, Essex mansion on Saturday 31 March, 2001, to 31-year-old Stuart Lubbock. His parents, and partner and mother of his children will get no rest until they find out who it was that Essex Police and pathologists agreed was guilty of 'a serious sexual assault' on Stuart Lubbock that night. Remember that four separate pathologists all said the same thing, Neither for that matter will Michael Barrymore get any rest until he tells the truth. Nor will the individual or individuals who perpetrated that assault have any rest until they confess their role in Stuart's death. Barrymore is on record as never having written to or 'phoned any of Stuart Lubbock's family to express his regret about what happened that night. And at the inquest, he refused to answer questions about his abuse and supply of Class A and Class B drugs to party guests, on the grounds that he might incriminated himself (at an inquest, you don't have to answer all questions put to you). To be honest, all of us have a few things we would prefer other people not to know about, and we may feel guilty about them. But Barrymore more than most owes it to Stuart Lubbock's family to tell the truth now


I'm interested to know what makes you think Barrymore's decision to not cooperate with the Police, makes him somehow knowledgeable on someone elses death...

"Michael Barrymore knows what happened at around 5.00am in his Roydon, Essex mansion on Saturday 31 March, 2001, to 31-year-old Stuart Lubbock."

You seem so sure. What made you feel this way?

Innocent until proven guilty.

[Schlick]

Replying to abbashop79:

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I have the advantage of having seen many of the Essex Police witness statements in this case. One of many striking things yet to emerge about this case is the extent to which the various witnesses, Michael Barrymore included, lied about the events of the night, and, crucially, gave vastly different accounts of how Stuart Lubbock's body was found.

According to the Michael Barrymore version, it was he who found Stuart Lubbock, not anyone else, when he just decided, out of the blue, to visit the jacuzzi (note, not the swimming pool).

There is no mention here of any others accompanying him, although other witnesses say that they found him, not Barrymore.

And according to Barrymore, he ‘found’ Stuart Lubbock's body, and I quote, "floating face upwards", whereas according to other witnesses, they found the body lying at the bottom of the pool.

Barrymore's friend, who lives nearby in Roydon, Simon Shaw, gives a wholly different version of how Stuart Lubbock was found. He told the Police: “After staying for a couple of hours, I decided to leave. Not knowing my way around the house, I left by the nearest door which led onto a patio area where there is a swimming pool. At this time I can recall seeing no-one else being on the patio area. I then saw a male in the pool. At first I thought he was swimming, but I quickly realised that he was on the bottom of the pool and I couldn't see him moving. I quickly kicked off my shoes and my trousers and dove [dived] into the pool, I swam down to the bottom..."

For sure, Barrymore and the other witnesses know what really happened. But they couldn't get their stories anywhere near matching each other when the Police took the initial statements...

[abbashop79]

Drink on it's own makes people forget, so with other drugs involved, how can any of their statements be trusted.. Were there any sober witnesses?

[Schlick]

2nd reply to abbashop79

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Simon Shaw had drunk a lot on his own admission at that so-called 'party' - mostly Jack Daniels' - but he was sober enough to dive into the pool to get Stuart's body out. His diving into the pool is one statement in this whole sorry affair that we almost certainly can rely on. But we can't rely on his version that he accidentally found the body as he was leaving the premises; all the other accounts are wholly different and conflict with each other. Not one of them is true.

Barrymore had the presence of mind to flee the premises between the time the ambulance was called - 5.50am - and the time the ambulance arrived - 5.56am - pretty nifty given that he claims he was in his swimming trunks when the body was found. *And* he had time to rifle his cupboards for things that he might not want the Essex Police to find when they arrived on the scene.

Oh, and he had time to get his boyfriend, drag queen Jonathan Kenney, to lie to the ambulance and Police crews that arrived and say that Barrymore had never been there all evening!

Barrymore was drunk when he left the Millennium Club, Harlow at around 2.30am, and slumped into a waiting taxi.

After that, he admits to smoking cannabis on a 'bang' and has received a Police caution for that and one other drug-related offence that night. But I still say he knows what happened to Stuart all right

[Siouxsie]

Micheal can look after hiself

[abbashop79]

Thanks very much for taking the time to respond Schlick. Like me, you obviously feel strong about it. I will be taking some time to read over all I can about the case, it's quite fascinating. I know Michael can look after himself Scooby, but I'm still interested in the minds of his attackers (I'm not saying anybody here on this site is an attacker). Hopefully one day we'll get to the bottom of this, I hate to see someone go down (in one way or another) for something they didnt do.

Anyway, who do you want to win CBB?

I say Maggot or Barrymore. If Preston didnt have a gf, I'd want him to be in the top 3 aswell... :thumbs: