An All White Final

[ILoveTRW]

Well done Britain, you have really out done yourselves this time with your unconscious racism.
You got rid of each of the 5 black housemates as soon as you could :nono:
Congratulations.

[Patrick]

:joker:

And now they are about to evict an Aussie, racist bastards.

[mikeuk22]

Well done Britain, you have really out done yourselves this time with your unconscious racism.
You got rid of each of the 5 black housemates as soon as you could :nono:
Congratulations.

Oh shut up... playing the racism card.. it isn't racist whatsoever! Brian Belo won a few series ago.. as did Nadia..

So these housemates who were evicted it had nothing to do with how they were as people then??

[Kate!]

shut up, pipe down!!

Nonsense

[smudgie]

Well done Britain, you have really out done yourselves this time with your unconscious racism.
You got rid of each of the 5 black housemates as soon as you could :nono:
Congratulations.

Is it too hard for you to believe that some people do not actually see the colour of someones skin when they watch the show, the same as in the real world. Subconciously or otherwise.:hugesmile:

[Chuckyegg]

Scary opinion

[ILoveTRW]

Oh shut up... playing the racism card.. it isn't racist whatsoever! Brian Belo won a few series ago.. as did Nadia..

So these housemates who were evicted it had nothing to do with how they were as people then??

Rachael, Ife, Rachel and Jo had no reason to be eviction.

[Kazanne]

Well done Britain, you have really out done yourselves this time with your unconscious racism.
You got rid of each of the 5 black housemates as soon as you could :nono:
Congratulations.

Well maybe we should have an all British final and boot the Aussie out:joker::joker:

[Chuckyegg]

Everyone gets evicted.....EVERYONE!!....regardless of thier race gender or sexuality....or star sign.

[ILoveTRW]

Is it too hard for you to believe that some people do not actually see the colour of someones skin when they watch the show, the same as in the real world. Subconciously or otherwise.:hugesmile:

Im not saying people at home are dialing the numbers rigorously scream "Get that black bitch out".
But I do think people have an unjust opinion of the black housemates (especially black girls) as soon as they step into the house.

[flamingGalah!]

Well done Britain, you have really out done yourselves this time with your unconscious racism.
You got rid of each of the 5 black housemates as soon as you could :nono:
Congratulations.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ :sleep:

Pathetic...

:xyxwave:

[charmingmissc]

what a load of twaddle

are you assuming only white people voted them out.?

[AfroMullet]

Black people FTW.

[ILoveTRW]

I'm surprised at how many people are blind to this, it kind of proves my point.

[flamingGalah!]

I'm surprised at how many people are blind to this, it kind of proves my point.

No it proves how pathetic you are... :sleep:

[The Truth Is Out There!]

Everyone gets evicted.....EVERYONE!!....regardless of thier race gender or sexuality....or star sign.

With you on that!:hugesmile:
Who's going to play the anti-disabled card when Steve goes?
Who's going to play the anti - gay card when Mario goes
Ect Ect ect:sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep:
Sick of Racist people making Racist claims about the rest of us! :sleep::sleep:

[smudgie]

Im not saying people at home are dialing the numbers rigorously scream "Get that black bitch out".
But I do think people have an unjust opinion of the black housemates (especially black girls) as soon as they step into the house.

I just find it hard to understand it when a person goes on about people voting people out because of their race, when in fact to me it appears it is the person who brings it up that has the race issue.
Most people I know don't go on about "race" , they see the housemates, as people, not white people or black people. Whereas you obviously see them as different races.

[Chuckyegg]

Just to let you know that only 7.9% of the UK population is non-caucasian according to The UK government office for national statistics.

The percentage of non white housemates on Big brother in the last 10 years is............well I don't know, but I am sure it is humongous.

Still not happy.
What exactly do you want?

[ILoveTRW]

Well you all can't deny the facts
BB1 - Mel was evicted because she flirted with 2 different men
BB2 - Narinda was evicted for no reason and Amma was also evicted
BB3 - Alison (why would anyone evict her?) and Adele left to some of the worst boos ever
BB4 - Anoskia was evicted first for no reason.
BB5 - Victor was sitting pretty all week and then he swore and inocent white shell and was evicted the next day
BB6 - Makosi probably got the worst reception of any finalist ever
BB7 - Dawn was the only black person and BB got rid of her before the public got to have their racist way.
BB8 - Charley was hated
BB9 - Alex and Sylvia were hated
BB10 - Sophia was out early and Noirin kiss Siavash (omgz) nobody cared that Siavash had just cheated on his girlfriend though.

[Wildcat!]

I really dont understand why, whenever someone has a thread like this, people cant just discuss the issue, but instead, act like they are offended, this is mentioned!

Hello! This is a true issue everyday, in the UK. And BB just emphasizes it! Discussions such issues, are the way to actually adress them, and possibly do something about it. There are a lot f people who are inclined to evict the black housemate, as soon as they do something wrong! Most of the time, its not even conscious. You just dont realise it. BUt its something, if you really care, you should acknowledge, and maybe in the future, you will think of it more consciously!

Dont dismiss the message. If it makes you feel uncomfortable, then there is dfinitely a problem, and talking about it, brings it home to some people!


Anyways, in general, yes, black housemates, better not put one foot wrong, otherwise they will be evicted,a nd booed out of the house, against someone else who did the same thing.

I do believe however, that the BB audience is a lot harder on WOmen, in general, than they are on any different ethnic group! SO the combination of the two, is a real handicap in the BB house. Thats a fact!

[Shasown]

If the GBP is as racist as the OP makes out, how come Siavash was the runner up last year? Doesnt that fact blow a hole right through the racism theory?

[ILoveTRW]

I really dont understand why, whenever someone has a thread like this, people cant just discuss the issue, but instead, act like they are offended, this is mentioned!

Hello! This is a true issue everyday, in the UK. And BB just emphasizes it! Discussions such issues, are the way to actually adress them, and possibly do something about it. There are a lot f people who are inclined to evict the black housemate, as soon as they do something wrong! Most of the time, its not even conscious. You just dont realise it. BUt its something, if you really care, you should acknowledge, and maybe in the future, you will think of it more consciously!

Dont dismiss the message. If it makes you feel uncomfortable, then there is dfinitely a problem, and talking about it, brings it home to some people!


Anyways, in general, yes, black housemates, better not put one foot wrong, otherwise they will be evicted,a nd booed out of the house, against someone else who did the same thing.

I do believe however, that the BB audience is a lot harder on WOmen, in general, than they are on any different ethnic group! SO the combination of the two, is a real handicap in the BB house. Thats a fact!

Thank you
God, the lack of intelligence on this forum astounds me everyday.

[luvJJ]

Rachael, Govan and Ife weren't evicted because of their skin colour, they were evicted because of their vile attitudes.

Rachel was a nice girl, she didn't have the horrific superiority complex that the above all possessed, but it was clear that she was evicted because she was loud and annoying.

Jo wasn't a suitable HM in the first place, I'm not sure how she got through the selection rounds.

[billy123]

I really dont understand why, whenever someone has a thread like this, people cant just discuss the issue, but instead, act like they are offended, this is mentioned!

Hello! This is a true issue everyday, in the UK. And BB just emphasizes it! Discussions such issues, are the way to actually adress them, and possibly do something about it. There are a lot f people who are inclined to evict the black housemate, as soon as they do something wrong! Most of the time, its not even conscious. You just dont realise it. BUt its something, if you really care, you should acknowledge, and maybe in the future, you will think of it more consciously!

Dont dismiss the message. If it makes you feel uncomfortable, then there is dfinitely a problem, and talking about it, brings it home to some people!


Anyways, in general, yes, black housemates, better not put one foot wrong, otherwise they will be evicted,a nd booed out of the house, against someone else who did the same thing.

I do believe however, that the BB audience is a lot harder on WOmen, in general, than they are on any different ethnic group! SO the combination of the two, is a real handicap in the BB house. Thats a fact!Wildcat i think you know that the reaction is due to the motivation of the people that pose the question in the first place.
now if the question was posed by somebody with a legitimate query as to why the public opinion might have swung in the way it did then i dont doubt you would get a reasoned debate about it.
But when the question is posed as part of an agenda somebody crying racism because their favourite housemate has been voted out for example or because they are angry with the forum that things havent worked out as they would have liked and they use it as something to attack other people with then it will get short shrift.
I think you know what im getting at even if i dont explain it too well but a legitimate questioning of racism in ukbb with no agenda will i believe will get a reasonable response and debate on this site.

[GiRTh]

I really dont understand why, whenever someone has a thread like this, people cant just discuss the issue, but instead, act like they are offended, this is mentioned!

Hello! This is a true issue everyday, in the UK. And BB just emphasizes it! Discussions such issues, are the way to actually adress them, and possibly do something about it. There are a lot f people who are inclined to evict the black housemate, as soon as they do something wrong! Most of the time, its not even conscious. You just dont realise it. BUt its something, if you really care, you should acknowledge, and maybe in the future, you will think of it more consciously!

Dont dismiss the message. If it makes you feel uncomfortable, then there is dfinitely a problem, and talking about it, brings it home to some people!


Anyways, in general, yes, black housemates, better not put one foot wrong, otherwise they will be evicted,a nd booed out of the house, against someone else who did the same thing.

I do believe however, that the BB audience is a lot harder on WOmen, in general, than they are on any different ethnic group! SO the combination of the two, is a real handicap in the BB house. Thats a fact!An excellent balanced post on a very touchy subject. It's nice to see balance when the majority on here instinctively become angry, irritable and simply do not want to discuss it :thumbs:

[iRyan]

Well done Britain, you have really out done yourselves this time with your unconscious racism.
You got rid of each of the 5 black housemates as soon as you could :nono:
Congratulations.

LOL, this is way i've been saying the whole time.

The second a black person is up for eviction, they're ass is out the front door a few days later! And they ALL get boo'd. Even if they are the nicest person in the world (Rachel).

[stewart64]

Govan and Ife were unbelievable bitches.

Rachel1 just fancied herself too much (true Keeley was even worse and thought herself well above everyone else , she got away with it). She really needed a lesson from Corin on how to be humble. Nobody thinks Corin fancies herself, she isn't too high and mighty to be the back end of Sam's horse or date the nerd Andrew and make the best of it or indeed moan when she is sidelined during Jo's Corin hate-fest.

Of course Jo was the worst of the lot, being suggested for the back end of Sam's horse put her into a pyschotic rage and she belittled sam to a shocking degree. She was not only high and mighty, she then started the mother of all bitch fests because corin had nommed her. She was an utter s**t and complete disgrace.

The two Rachels have most to feel picked on. I think Rachel2 is the only real cause for racist concern.

I would concentrate on why BB chose four very nasty black people in the first place.

[charmingmissc]

if only white people voted them out, you could call them racist.

have you no idea.?

they were simply not liked.

[cub]

LOL, this is way i've been saying the whole time.

The second a black person is up for eviction, they're ass is out the front door a few days later! And they ALL get boo'd. Even if they are the nicest person in the world (Rachel).

There is nothing worse than faux-horror over so-called 'racism'. There is no racist behaviour in voting out the less popular housemates, even though they might be non-white. There were very good reasons for voting off Rachael, Jovan, Rachel and Jo - none of those reasons were because of colour.

You can call it as much as you like, you will still be wrong.

[stonedape]

Not going into other years, but in BB11's case I think it was really just bad casting. Govan was cannon fodder, and the other 4 brought little to nothing to the house.

A lot of it comes down to casting. Clearly a Belo type can win, clearly a Victor/Science/Charley type is doomed. But I do agree with a lot of what ILoveTRW and Wildcat said.

[bigbrothermaniac008]

It's 2010, Seriously It's not about skin colour. Its whether they were a good Hm or not.
1) Jo and Ife were boring and didnt say much..
2)Govan bitched about people-thats why he was evicted
3)Rachel was annoying!

I do feel Rachael had a premeture eviction though!

[Mac Hiavellian]

There lies the problem, there was only 5 out of 21 black or mixed race HMs. Just as there's only 1 Bristonian, 2 Welsh, 1 from Liverpool, 1 gay, 1 lesbian, 3 over 40. It's just part of the selection process.

The only thing that's remained near consistent is the gender ratio on launch nights, except for BB8 or launches with an odd number of entries

[iRyan]

There is nothing worse than faux-horror over so-called 'racism'. There is no racist behaviour in voting out the less popular housemates, even though they might be non-white. There were very good reasons for voting off Rachael, Jovan, Rachel and Jo - none of those reasons were because of colour.

You can call it as much as you like, you will still be wrong.

Of course I don't think people are like 'oh, shes black, lets evict her!' but I think they subconsciously are without really realizing it.

And no, I don't think there were good reasons at all for voting off those people, especially considering the people they are up against such as John James.

[stewart64]

It's 2010, Seriously It's not about skin colour. Its whether they were a good Hm or not.
1) Jo and Ife were boring and didnt say much..
2)Govan bitched about people-thats why he was evicted
3)Rachel was annoying!

I do feel Rachael had a premeture eviction though!

Absolutely Rachel2 should not have gone, but she was unlucky to be in a strong eviction field.

The fact that BB chose four very nasty others is the main problem. I am not sure they could have foreseen Jo's woman scorned pyschotic change.

[Wildcat!]

Absolutely Rachel2 should not have gone, but she was unlucky to be in a strong eviction field.

The fact that BB chose four very nasty others is the main problem. I am not sure they could have foreseen Jo's woman scorned pyschotic change.

Hahaha!! 4 Nasty people! :D

This is exactly the point! The lala land kind of thinking. HOw youre so kick to brand them as nasty, if they do one thing wrong!
HOw were any of those nasty people?? Are you kidding me? Compared to some of the other housemates, they were far from nasty, and that includes all 4 of them, Govan, Ife, Racheal, and jo

That just emphasizes my point, if youre black, you better be the nicest (but if you are, you better not have an annoying voice), most perfect housemate with no bad qualities at all, or otherwise, you are the next target, and all of a sudden you are nasty! GIve me a break! :)

HOw did any of the things they do, make them nastier, than some of the ones they get evicted agAISNT?

The racism is there. Fair enough, if you dont want to talk about it, or you dont care, just leave it be! BUt for those who see it, and those who might consider that its there after reading this, then let them make their mind up, instead of dismissing the obvious!

[Jarvio]

Well done Britain, you have really out done yourselves this time with your unconscious racism.
You got rid of each of the 5 black housemates as soon as you could :nono:
Congratulations.

What an awful post

[Tom4784]

I've deleted some unnecessary arguments and comments. Please discuss the issue without getting personal and attacking each other. If it continues infractions will be handed out.

[billy123]

I've deleted some unnecessary arguments and comments. Please discuss the issue without getting personal and attacking each other. If it continues infractions will be handed out.
do you think :hugesmile:

[Wildcat!]

Wildcat i think you know that the reaction is due to the motivation of the people that pose the question in the first place.
now if the question was posed by somebody with a legitimate query as to why the public opinion might have swung in the way it did then i dont doubt you would get a reasoned debate about it.
But when the question is posed as part of an agenda somebody crying racism because their favourite housemate has been voted out for example or because they are angry with the forum that things havent worked out as they would have liked and they use it as something to attack other people with then it will get short shrift.
I think you know what im getting at even if i dont explain it too well but a legitimate questioning of racism in ukbb with no agenda will i believe will get a reasonable response and debate on this site.


Yeah, definitely agree with you! Some people do like to just bring it up at every opportunity! BUt if you look at the whole series, and all the housemates, I think its a fair issue to bring up!

[BB_Eye]

:joker:

And now they are about to evict an Aussie, racist bastards.

Lmao... age of austerity. We don't want to give our money away to any johnny foreigner.

[ILoveTRW]

I've deleted some unnecessary arguments and comments. Please discuss the issue without getting personal and attacking each other. If it continues infractions will be handed out.

I hope you gave bobnot an infraction, her post was totally unnecessary.

[BB_Eye]

Rachael, Ife, Rachel and Jo had no reason to be eviction.

The only one who deserved to be evicted was Ife as she was boring. Jo was a bit on the boring side too, but how JJ survived against her boggles the mind. :conf2:

[Part-timer]

Govan and Ife are on a par with Steve .
Absoloutley dreadfull housemates.
What was the goint in either of them .
Nobody is interested in housemates who are trying to figure out who they are.
You have to know that long before you go in.

[billy123]

I hope you gave bobnot an infraction, her post was totally unnecessary.
not had one yet why have you been hitting the red triangle? i take it you have had one and im not suprised kid.

[ILoveTRW]

The only one who deserved to be evicted was Ife as she was boring. Jo was a bit on the boring side too, but how JJ survived against her boggles the mind. :conf2:

But we all know the British public don't evict people because they are boring.

[BB_Eye]

Govan and Ife are on a par with Steve .
Absoloutley dreadfull housemates.
What was the goint in either of them .
Nobody is interested in housemates who are trying to figure out who they are.
You have to know that long before you go in.

Govan was a much better housemate than most of those drying paintings in there. He was capable of some industrial strength stirring and bitching.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

We are not racist.

Can you comprehend that some of us dont actually see colour but infact see PEOPLE

Op is clearly the one being racist as is judging people by colour and basically saying that there should atleast be one black person in the final just so its politically correct.

This topic got tiresome in 2008.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

We are not racist.

Can you comprehend that some of us dont actually see colour but infact see PEOPLE

Op is clearly the one being racist as is judging people by colour and basically saying that there should atleast be one black person in the final just so its politically correct.

This topic got tiresome in 2008.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

We are not racist.

Can you comprehend that some of us dont actually see colour but infact see PEOPLE

Op is clearly the one being racist as is judging people by colour and basically saying that there should atleast be one black person in the final just so its politically correct.

This topic got tiresome in 2008.

[_Seth]

Im not saying people at home are dialing the numbers rigorously scream "Get that black bitch out".

:joker::joker::joker:

[Shasown]

Of course I don't think people are like 'oh, shes black, lets evict her!' but I think they subconsciously are without really realizing it.

And no, I don't think there were good reasons at all for voting off those people, especially considering the people they are up against such as John James.

Could you do us all in the merry little land of the UK a minor little favour Ryan, and not judge us till you have some experience of us and know what you are talking about.

One other little consideration perhaps before you start slagging off the nationals of another country, you make sure your own country is without imperfections.

Go to somewhere like Birmingham, Alabama and try a mixed relationship, or go to lets say Northern California and look for the complete integration of the Mexicans into the area. Aint going to happen is it?

[fuzzylovin]

If were been racist, why not also be homophobic and get mario out too yay!.

[Wildcat!]

Could you do us all in the merry little land of the UK a minor little favour Ryan, and not judge us till you have some experience of us and know what you are talking about.

One other little consideration perhaps before you start slagging off the nationals of another country, you make sure your own country is without imperfections.

Go to somewhere like Birmingham, Alabama and try a mixed relationship, or go to lets say Northern California and look for the complete integration of the Mexicans into the area. Aint going to happen is it?



I agree, you have to be in the place to really be able to judge it. To be honest, from media portrayal, for me, the UK was pretty modern when it comes to race integration.

But, as a witness of both, I think its night and day, if you compare the US, and the UK. Granted, the US is a lot bigger, but in general, I think they have made a lot more progress than the people in the UK has.

And one important attribute, is you can actually have racial debates there, and TV shows, and things like that, were people are pretty oppen to talking about their prejudices. Thats were progress is made.

Eerily in the UK, its all silent. And thats where the problem is mainly. Its not acknowledged, quickly dismissed, and not given a second thought!

The difference in the US is they dont dismiss it! And they dont deny it.

[InOne]

Maybe they should just put better black people in BB...

[Part-timer]

Govan was a much better housemate than most of those drying paintings in there. He was capable of some industrial strength stirring and bitching.

Yes that is a good point. I can't argue with that.
But after 3 days he was crying and sobbing in the diary room cause he was upset about his sexuality and didn't want his brother or his grandmother finding out he was potentially gay or straight or niether or both or whatever he was.
The house needs stronger characters than that.

Awfull excuse for a housemate.

[Tom4784]

I agree, you have to be in the place to really be able to judge it. To be honest, from media portrayal, for me, the UK was pretty modern when it comes to race integration.

But, as a witness of both, I think its night and day, if you compare the US, and the UK. Granted, the US is a lot bigger, but in general, I think they have made a lot more progress than the people in the UK has.

And one important attribute, is you can actually have racial debates there, and TV shows, and things like that, were people are pretty oppen to talking about their prejudices. Thats were progress is made.

Eerily in the UK, its all silent. And thats where the problem is mainly. Its not acknowledged, quickly dismissed, and not given a second thought!

The difference in the US is they dont dismiss it! And they dont deny it.

I think that point is slightly ridiculous given how PC this country is, We don't dismiss or deny racism, in fact we're so overly cautious about it that we accuse ourselves of racism when BB has an all white final.

I've agreed with pretty much everything you said in this topic until that, the problem isn't that we're dismissive of it it's that we're oversensitive to it. The point about the US being more open to debate about it is true though.

[Bluerang1]

Those of you saying Ife is bad are real racists. What did she do wrong? Oh so she doesn't want to hang out with the white gay girls so the whole nation turns on her? Gosh I hate you people sometimes. Out of the 5, only Govan needed to be kicked out, first week and all.

[Wildcat!]

I think that point is slightly ridiculous given how PC this country is, We don't dismiss or deny racism, in fact we're so overly cautious about it that we accuse ourselves of racism when BB has an all white final.

I've agreed with pretty much everything you said in this topic until that, the problem isn't that we're dismissive of it it's that we're oversensitive to it. The point about the US being more open to debate about it is true though.

OK! I never thought abut it that way!
That actually makes sense.
People do get very PC around here, but I just dont see why they get so defensive, when you open up a racial dialogue. Especially, in some anonymous situations, like forums, or BB fans/voters!

Either way, maybe the PC thing does play a role.

[Vicky.]

The real problem with the UK, is that people are overly PC.

And also that people appear to LOOK for racism. People who do this are racist themselves.

As for the big brother point, I think it is more a case of the producers continually putting in unlikeable black characters(mostly women) to play to a stereotype. Pretty much the same as the way they insist on putting really camp gay men in. And butch lesbians.

[arista]

I'm surprised at how many people are blind to this, it kind of proves my point.



its Down to peoples Faults
Not there Color

[RifRaf]

only way a black person is gonna win big brother is if they are adopted by a white family and raised as white like brian belo, or just go in there and act white, like........brian belo

[spitfire]

only way a black person is gonna win big brother is if they are adopted by a white family and raised as white like brian belo, or just go in there and act white, like........brian belo
Did you join to just for this thread or to chat BB in general?

[RifRaf]

no... I joined to start my own thread

You can read it here http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155646

[tremault]

in regards to the title and the very first post,
I had not even noticed wether anyone in the house now or in the past was of any particular race.

it is this thread that is racist, not britain.

[yousoboo!]

trolls using race to post

[reece(:]

People voting out Jo, stopped her from starting to become the real cougar she seemed furious on today's HLs.

[cassieparis]

Its Black females but you will never get a majority agreeing with you. It makes people very very uncomfortable and you will be attacked for highlighting the collective subconscious dismissal of black women on this show. The statistics support your theory. The only black females to survive eviction were in BB6 when everyone was up and some how Lesley was fried. Other than that series they have always gone as soon as they are up. FACT: labelled as boring immoral over flirtatious liars smelly dirty fat mad bad etc. However the uncomfortable will comfort themselves with "but is simply coincidence" 11 years and multiple incidents of coincidence.. The majority of voters and viewers are white females they will vote based on their desire. You know it I know it we all know it.... that people will focus on what they desire and dismiss what they don't. I am ok with shallow we don't all get our self worth from our fantasy. The Lesleys of this world and black women are not what they want to see and fantasize about being or being with.

[Jords]

Corin is orange x

[mike888]

There's a thread on here posted by Vicky about insulting other forum members

I desperately try to abide by it but you really are pushing the bounderies with this load of crap!!!! :D

[mike888]

Corin is orange x



:joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker:

[housemate]

Rachael, Ife, Rachel and Jo had no reason to be eviction.

What?? .. Ife drove me crazy with her constant opinions, she was a nice enough girl but she talked/interferred for England ... then Jo came in! I thought Ife had been reincarnated because Jo did the same, she never once used 5 words when 500 would do!! Rachel 2 went a bit nutty with regard Ben, I thought she was quite nasty about him .I reasoned that she must have watched him for weeks schmoozing with everyone, I concluded from that, that she had contrived the entire 'Hurt' act. Come to think of it, she also talked at a million miles an hour and got involved in other peoples business ... you can accuse me of being biased against big mouthed nosey buggers if you want, but not colour! I would happily have (and I HAVE in past shows) voted out anyone who suffers from verbal diarrhoea as all three of these ladies definatly did!
I thought it was a real shame Rachel 1 went out, she didn't have enough time to show us what she was like .. having said that, it could easily have been anyone of them going in the first week. I don't think her skin tone had one single thing to do with it!!

[Sammi_Who]

Yah, it was obviously a race thing. Not anything to do with the personalities involved :crazy:

Although i did like Jo, but she didnt deliver. I was screaming for Dave to go and wish he did. But wether i like it or not, he has done something in his time there and Jo didnt.

[The Truth Is Out There!]

I think that point is slightly ridiculous given how PC this country is, We don't dismiss or deny racism, in fact we're so overly cautious about it that we accuse ourselves of racism when BB has an all white final.

I've agreed with pretty much everything you said in this topic until that, the problem isn't that we're dismissive of it it's that we're oversensitive to it. The point about the US being more open to debate about it is true though.

Tell that to the KKK and other groups we don't have here!

[Kaaarenn!]

I really don't think that's the case, that's going a bit far. I'd have never even realised that every time a black person was up for eviction, they got evicted. I don't think it's got anything to do with the colour of their skin at all.

[EzzaB]

everyone gets evicted.....everyone!!....regardless of thier race gender or sexuality....or star sign.

lol! Xd

[Livia]

Every time we get a "the British public are racist" thread on here I mention that Sam is still there... and he's a Jew. So it's hardly an all-white Anglo-Saxon Protestant line-up, is it.

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

Rachael, Ife, Rachel and Jo had no reason to be eviction.

Rachael definitely deserved to go she a bitch
Ife and Rachel didnt deserve to go, especially Rachel she lovely
Jo didnt deserve to go, but she wanted to go and the other 3 wanted to stay so that was a good eviction, Jo even said it herself

[InOne]

Every time we get a "the British public are racist" thread on here I mention that Sam is still there... and he's a Jew. So it's hardly an all-white Anglo-Saxon Protestant line-up, is it.

Is he a Jew? Thought he said he was half Greek

[Livia]

Is he a Jew? Thought he said he was half Greek

I read in several places he's a Jew. And he looks like my cousin Joel... who's a right pain in the bum... a bit like Sam.

Anyway, Jew, half-greek, whatever... this whole racist thing is ridiculous, bearing in mind there have been black winners in the past.

[InOne]

I read in several places he's a Jew. And he looks like my cousin Joel... who's a right pain in the bum... a bit like Sam.

Anyway, Jew, half-greek, whatever... this whole racist thing is ridiculous, bearing in mind there have been black winners in the past.

Think these are just troll threads for when people are a little bored lol

[stoney]

Well done Britain, you have really out done yourselves this time with your unconscious racism.
You got rid of each of the 5 black housemates as soon as you could :nono:
Congratulations.



why do racists like you have to bring colour into everything:nono:.


what did Jo do that she didnt desrve to get booted out on Friday or are you saying that we are only allowed to vote out the white inmates:conf:

[Beso]

I do believe the right housemate went in all votes so far this year, however I can't help but wonder if john james had been black and argued as much as he does he would have been evicted already.

[Livia]

I do believe the right housemate went in all votes so far this year, however I can't help but wonder if john james had been black and argued as much as he does he would have been evicted already.

I think if John James weren't quite so pretty he would have gone, whatever colour he was.

[Beso]

I think if John James weren't quite so pretty he would have gone, whatever colour he was.

he remindes me of charley the way he thinks he's better than everyone and how he always argues the toss...she went.

[ILoveTRW]

I do believe the right housemate went in all votes so far this year, however I can't help but wonder if john james had been black and argued as much as he does he would have been evicted already.

Exactly my point, he would of been given the angry black man stereotype and would be out within weeks.

[Abhorsen]

only way a black person is gonna win big brother is if they are adopted by a white family and raised as white like brian belo, or just go in there and act white, like........brian belo

You do know that Ife was adopted and brought up by a WHITE mother right?

So, by your *reasoning* she should have won.

[Beso]

You do know that Ife was adopted and brought up by a WHITE mother right?

So, by your *reasoning* she should have won.

to much lip suckin!

[Abhorsen]

I do believe the right housemate went in all votes so far this year, however I can't help but wonder if john james had been black and argued as much as he does he would have been evicted already.

Actually it is a little known rumour that John James was born an aborigine. But *in those days* there was a lot of pressure in Aussieland to become white so his family got him changed.

John James.
http://www.digital-photo.com.au/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=657&g2_serialNumber=1

[Abhorsen]

Well done Britain, you have really out done yourselves this time with your unconscious racism.
You got rid of each of the 5 black housemates as soon as you could :nono:
Congratulations.

Your OP post and attitude is racist.

Why are you only concerned about black people being in the BB house? And how black people are treated?

You have completely overlooked Asians (all groups), Aboriginals, middle eastern and other racial groups.

You show your ignorance and racism by assuming that race discrimination can only occur between 'black and white' and that you do not give equal value to all racial groups in your post.

[flamingGalah!]

Can I just ask if those screaming racism are themselves black?

[Abhorsen]

Can I just ask if those screaming racism are themselves black?


One thing that should be mentioned is that Black people can also be racist. It is commonly known that racism against Asians can commonly occur in Black communities, and vice versa.

To assume one race can be racist and others aren't is just daft.

[flamingGalah!]

One thing that should be mentioned is that Black people can also be racist. It is commonly known that racism against Asians can commonly occur in Black communities, and vice versa.

To assume one race can be racist and others aren't is just daft.

Yes I know, that is kinda why I wanted to know if those protesting were black...

Surely it could also be argued that those white housemates that have been evicted could have been voted out by black people??

I suppose the fact that there are only 2 women left in the house surely shows that the British public are also sexist, as well as racist etc... :sleep:

I also find the comments about the UK being more racist than the US totally ridiculous... The UK has to have one of the most diverse multi-cultural mix of people living in any country... Even in parts of the US where there are large black communities there is an abundance of racism & great cultural divides between the black & white communites... Hurricane Katrina anyone...

[Wildcat!]

Can I just ask if those screaming racism are themselves black?


DOes it matter? Naturally, most will not be white, as there are about 5 black people on this forum!

BUt to answer your question, I am one of them, I am black!

[Wildcat!]

One thing that should be mentioned is that Black people can also be racist. It is commonly known that racism against Asians can commonly occur in Black communities, and vice versa.

To assume one race can be racist and others aren't is just daft.


THat would have some merit if the OP ever said, he thought Black People were never racist. That would have some merit, if the OP e ver said, that asians arent discriminated agaisnt! The fact is, he didnt!

WHen you are talking about this specific instance, the only thing he can talk about, is how the black housemate are conceived, by a majority of White voters. What des racism of balck people , or towards asians have anything to do with this?

And even if they were racist, it doesnt mean the OP cannot question the leaning of the voters in this situation. As thats what the subject is about.


The funny , and sad thing is most people arent able to discuss this subject, or are extremely defensive about it! Its not a big of a deal, or anything to be uneasy about. Its a thing that happens, and raising awareness towards it, is the way to combat it. Most racially biased votes are done subconsciously. I am sure most people dont pick up the phone and go, right, I am going to vote to evict that Black housemate. Its something that you do mopst of the time, instinctively. And if its pointed out to you, acting all offended, and brushing it under the carpet, is the worst thing you can do.
UNfortunbately, its too common in the UK, whenever you bring up the subject, thats exactly the reaction you get, denial, and indignation!

[Wildcat!]

Yes I know, that is kinda why I wanted to know if those protesting were black...

Surely it could also be argued that those white housemates that have been evicted could have been voted out by black people??

I suppose the fact that there are only 2 women left in the house surely shows that the British public are also sexist, as well as racist etc... :sleep:

I also find the comments about the UK being more racist than the US totally ridiculous... The UK has to have one of the most diverse multi-cultural mix of people living in any country... Even in parts of the US where there are large black communities there is an abundance of racism & great cultural divides between the black & white communites... Hurricane Katrina anyone...


YOu know why you think that? Exactly because of my point. They are actually able to talk and acknowledge racism, in most places. Of course it exist, the difference is, people arent shy about talking and having discussions. Which is exactly whats lacking in this situation, and thats why you think its not a problem. Because its diverse, you think its not racist? LOL!
Have you seen how those so called multi communities are segragated around here? Everyone stays in their area. I know for a fact its not like that in most of the US. They encourage integration a lot more. There are of course cases where its not, but whats more important, is people take an active role in trying to remedy that! They have made more progress when it comes to race, than any modern country in the past 10 20 years. ITs not happenning here from my observations. And Ive seen both sides. Ive lived both sides, and I dont go with one element in the press like Hurricane Katrina. I go with what Ive seen!

Anyways, this debate is never ending, because people dont want to hear it, so I will just leave it at that, and hope some actually learn something from it.

[StGeorge]

If the 5 Black HMs were voted out because they were Black then the OP and others would have a case. But its not exactly easy to determine the reasons why the voting public binned them, one can only speculate.

IMO:

Rachael was voted out due to being a Diva and for sh1tstirring.
Govan was voted out due to being a sh1tstirrer.
Ife was voted out due to being a drama queen.
Rachel was voted out due to being a loud scouser.
Jo was voted out due to being abit of a know all agony aunt and then throwing a hissy against Corin.

I dont see them being Black had anything to do with it.

[THE WATCHER]

Not racist at all, as the UK is so multi-cultural, its unfortunate that those HMs were evicted. We still have a true foreigner though, Roo, perhaps C5 will have better rules, UK ONLY, born and bred and living in UK to qualify. All other countries do so we should, no more Canadians, Yanks, Aussies, Spanish, Portugese, UK only in UK BB House, of ALL colors

[Livia]

....... I know for a fact its not like that in most of the US. They encourage integration a lot more. There are of course cases where its not, but whats more important, is people take an active role in trying to remedy that! etc. etc. etc.

You say you've lived both sides of the Atlantic, but your post doesn't make it seem like that. You're trying to quantify racism. You're trying to say the UK is more racist than the USA. That is not my finding. Wander round New York for any length of time, and I don't mean Manhattan, and you'll see that ethnic groups stay pretty much in their own communities much like they do in London and other places in the UK. It's the same in Chicago, it's the same wherever there is a diverse population. There is just as much racism in the USA as there is anywhere, and if you don't believe that, have a look at their statistics on the ethnic background of their prison population.

This thread though, was created for an argument. It intimates that the WHOLE of the British public are racist against black people. That is simply not true. For the record, if I had to choose from personal experience the most racist place I've ever been, the place where social and ethnic divides are the greatest I've ever seen, it's India.

[cub]

Well you all can't deny the facts

BB8 - Charley was hated


Who won that year?

[ILoveTRW]

Who won that year?

The whitest black man that has ever entered the house aka Brian Belo.

[flamingGalah!]

YOu know why you think that? Exactly because of my point. They are actually able to talk and acknowledge racism, in most places. Of course it exist, the difference is, people arent shy about talking and having discussions. Which is exactly whats lacking in this situation, and thats why you think its not a problem. Because its diverse, you think its not racist? LOL!
Have you seen how those so called multi communities are segragated around here? Everyone stays in their area. I know for a fact its not like that in most of the US. They encourage integration a lot more. There are of course cases where its not, but whats more important, is people take an active role in trying to remedy that! They have made more progress when it comes to race, than any modern country in the past 10 20 years. ITs not happenning here from my observations. And Ive seen both sides. Ive lived both sides, and I dont go with one element in the press like Hurricane Katrina. I go with what Ive seen!

Anyways, this debate is never ending, because people dont want to hear it, so I will just leave it at that, and hope some actually learn something from it.

No, there is nothing to hear! Where exactly do you live in London? As most of the London I know is very mixed & multi-cultural. Down here in Portsmouth is the same, yes there is racism, but there is racism everywhere, just the same as there are homophobic people everywhere (as a gay man I live with predjudice as well)... If Mario had been voted out I could scream that the UK public are all homophobic, but I wouldn't as that is codswallop... By the way I loathe Mario, but would you keep in all the black housemates simply because they were black? Or does someones personality & behaviour have any bearing to you?? :conf:

[Fuzzylogic]

I don't think they were voted out for race reasons, they were all pretty **** housemates.

But if like you say is true and white folks have subconsciously voted them out, then I blame the likes of the Sun and the Daily Mail with their bigoted propaganda about "immigrants." I've noticed people in the last few years have become more racist than they have been as they feel that can get away with it more now. It only takes one person in a group in a pub or in work talking about immigration to say "and as for the blacks and the p*kis..." and the floodgates open. It's scary how many people actually hold closeted racist views.

People say Australians are racist, well I lived in Australia for year, and when I came home I noticed that we as a nation are FAR more racists than they are.

[dannyboy]

I honestly believe that race was not the issue in any of these cases, though based on eviction statistics I can see how it is a possible conclusion to come to. It struck me how all the black housemates were evicted very quickly this year. But to accuse the British public of outright racism is rather extreme, because I don't think it's the case. To be fair, Ife Govan and Jo all pretty much deserved to go, and it was because of their behaviour (though I felt rather gutted for Jo just before she left, listening to the nasty stuff the JJs were saying about her)

[StGeorge]

People say Australians are racist, well I lived in Australia for year, and when I came home I noticed that we as a nation are FAR more racists than they are.

I wonder if the Aborigines see it that way?

[Fuzzylogic]

I wonder if the Aborigines see it that way?

Probably not. They have been treated appallingly.

Sorry I probably worded that wrong. I meant the Australian public nowadys, rather than the government.

[StGeorge]

Probably not. They have been treated appallingly.

Sorry I probably worded that wrong. I meant the Australian public nowadys, rather than the government.

Still doesnt wash im afraid....the Oz Gov' are voted in by the Oz public based on those policies.

[StGeorge]

And as for the British Public being against immigrants? The main target has been the 100s of 1000s of eastern block people who came and undercut the Brits to get the jobs, and milk our benefits system illegally to send money back to their families. Your damn right that pissed me off.

And BTW....those immigrants were white people.

[Fuzzylogic]

Still doesnt wash im afraid....the Oz Gov' are voted in by the Oz public based on those policies.

Fair point. To be honest I have not followed Australian politics since leaving so I can't comment.

All I'm saying is that in my experience the Australian people I met were tolerent and didn't come across as bigoted. But then I suppose they could still hold racist views and just not expressed them to me, and I guess I wouldn't associate myself with the type of people who would be bigoted anyway.

[StGeorge]

Fair point. To be honest I have not followed Australian politics since leaving so I can't comment.

All I'm saying is that in my experience the Australian people I met were tolerent and didn't come across as bigoted. But then I suppose they could still hold racist views and just not expressed them to me, and I guess I wouldn't associate myself with the type of people who would be bigoted anyway.

I bet there are millions of people in Britain who are tolerant and not racist....now how many Aussies did you meet??

[Fuzzylogic]

And as for the British Public being against immigrants? The main target has been the 100s of 1000s of eastern block people who came and undercut the Brits to get the jobs, and milk our benefits system illegally to send money back to their families. Your damn right that pissed me off.

And BTW....those immigrants were white people.

As I pointed out xenophobia is just a step away from racism, it opens the gate for it.

As for people milking benefits illegally, there are plenty of British people doing the same thing, they should crack down on EVERYONE who is illegally claiming benefits. the "at least their English" excuse doesn't wash with me.

[MusicMan]

Just saw this thread: the OP's claims are ridiculous.
If Jo was white, she would still have been evicted.
Many housemates over the years have been evicted for 'no reason', not only black housemates.
The fact that Adele left to a chorus of boos is not out of the ordinary - so many nice and lovely housemates have left to boos, black and white.
Charley was hated because she was a malicious housemate, not because she was black.
It stuns me completely that such claims could be made, and the fact that Brian Belo and Nadia Almada won their respective series' completely blows these claims of racism out of the water.

[StGeorge]

As I pointed out xenophobia is just a step away from racism, it opens the gate for it.

As for people milking benefits illegally, there are plenty of British people doing the same thing, they should crack down on EVERYONE who is illegally claiming benefits. the "at least their English" excuse doesn't wash with me.

Er..not quite right in the context i was referring to....the "English" people are entitled to claim for their children who live in this country....but the Polish that claimed for kids back in Poland were not.

And BTW....why the sudden attack on the "English"?? I thought we lived in a British country?? The English do not have a seperately governed country.