Dave and Sam have trashed the BB house.

[Kate!]

Ithink Dave has finally lost the plot. He and Sam have covered the place in rice, cereal, dried spaghetti and brown paper, the idiots. They have spelt out Glory on the floor with grains, and Dave wrapped Sam head to toe in brown paper, which Sam then got in bed with, and then took it all off again, and continued their "antics".

This is very strange behaviour, Sam has ADHD and came in to cause mayhem, but exactly how old is Dave to be doing this and laughing his stupid head off. This guy disturbs me more and more, Weirdo.

Luv'd that Ben apparently called him a Judas, read this in another thread!!

He (Dave) is now in bed, and going on about praying to Jesus ffs.

get Dave out, everyone vote him. Would hate this guy to make the final.

:nono::nono::nono::nono::nono::nono::nono::nono::n ono:

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[supergirthuk]

I personally would rather crucify him than evict him. If they nailed him up to the carousel somehow and we could all laugh at his glory then. :)

[Malza]

They made a really nice mess, and will have lot's of time to think about it, when BB tells them to clean up the mess today :laugh2:


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[Kerry]

Saw them do it. Not entirely sure what the original plan was but I guess it backfired when everyone sprung it.

Who is usually first up?

[supergirthuk]

Agent Corange.

[The Truth Is Out There!]

WHat time of the night was all this happening? Couldn't Dave sleep??? Needing to be seen with the 'in crowd' again? Friday drawing near... WOnder who he will be 'best mates' with today!! Desperate now!

[terryrow]

rub two idiots together and you cannot make a fire, you just show people what you are.
i am sure the glory can get the lord to clean it up, as for sam, yhere is someting wrong with him, i think a personality disorder of some kind.

[MargeryFan]

I can tell you're a Rodrigo fan. Sam says he thinks he might have ADHD, it's not a fact btw.

[Sunday]

Ithink Dave has finally lost the plot. He and Sam have covered the place in rice, cereal, dried spaghetti and brown paper, the idiots. They have spelt out Glory on the floor with grains, and Dave wrapped Sam head to toe in brown paper, which Sam then got in bed with, and then took it all off again, and continued their "antics".

This is very strange behaviour, Sam has ADHD and came in to cause mayhem, but exactly how old is Dave to be doing this and laughing his stupid head off. This guy disturbs me more and more, Weirdo.

Luv'd that Ben apparently called him a Judas, read this in another thread!!

He (Dave) is now in bed, and going on about praying to Jesus ffs.

get Dave out, everyone vote him. Would hate this guy to make the final.

:nono::nono::nono::nono::nono::nono::nono::nono::n ono:


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That would do my nut in!!!

[Stacey.]

Get Dave and Sam out!

[housemate]

Its pathetic, a 'grown' man behaving like a naughty child. Can't wait to hear all the 'Good Ol' Dave, HOW funny and clever of him' comments from his supporters .... they'll be vehemently defending this as a real stroke of 'Comedy' and accusing everybody who disagrees of having 'a sense of humour by-pass' again no doubt!

[CaudleHalbard]

Maybe Dave and Sam have a gut feeling they will be out tonight and it will be for others to worry about the mess?

[TBV]

OMG, that will stick to corin!

[Livia]

Its pathetic, a 'grown' man behaving like a naughty child. Can't wait to hear all the 'Good Ol' Dave, HOW funny and clever of him' comments from his supporters .... they'll be vehemently defending this as a real stroke of 'Comedy' and accusing everybody who disagrees of having 'a sense of humour by-pass' again no doubt!

And then there are the people who can really take or leave Dave, but think the ridiculous witch hunt against him has gone far enough.

[MTVN]

Get Dave and Sam out!

Mario was just as much involved!

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Hope they show this on the HL Show tonight & that P...., Dave goes.:devil:

[Peter Plunker]

Fancy having fun eh? Terrible.

[housemate]

And then there are the people who can really take or leave Dave, but think the ridiculous witch hunt against him has gone far enough.

Okay point taken, but then you also 'have' to accept that as well as posters who 'Witch-hunt' Dave, there are those supporters who defend him regardless.
I detest Dave but I tried to avoid 'jumping on bandwagons' .. in one or two threads in the past, I tried my best to get to the 'nub' of something re Dave and ended up (because I didn't accept on face-value, the 'unproven', 'assumtion' etc etc rejoinders from his supporters) not getting anywhere, and then insulted!! Since then, anything I have written has been seen or heard, researched etc.... by myself. It has made no difference at all, I still get challenged with the same 'arguments', usually to the effect that I'm just a Dave hater who has 'it' in for him?! ... I have yet to hear one Dave supporter admit that he 'may' have crossed a line.

[housemate]

Fancy having fun eh? Terrible.

There we are .... this is my point. Throwing food around is fun for 5 year olds ... don't you think it makes Dave look even a little bit silly?

[shaz20]

On lf Dave has just made the comment "well dunno if it will make the highlight show but it was fun" Was it done to get on the HL show then or just on the spur of the moment?

[karezza]

The housemates should trash the house - it is their duty.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

On lf Dave has just made the comment "well dunno if it will make the highlight show but it was fun" Was it done to get on the HL show then or just on the spur of the moment?

Yeah i head that too, hope does make the HL Show & he goes:devil:, what i would like to know what were the HM's reaction to this, this morning when they got up.

[Saph]

Its funny - but not when there is an eviction the following day..

[housemate]

http://bb-cache.channel4.com/bigbrother/video/2010/Aug/20/sam-and-dave-cause-mayhem/play.c4

Hilarious ... !!
BTW Mario didn't throw the food around he was 'only' involved with the grease proof paper 'jinx' ... and no, I'm not sticking up for Mario (who I don't like either) or Sam, they are both idiots too.
Dave is however a Father and Minister .. presumably this alone should compel him to be a tad less infantile.

[Livia]

Okay point taken, but then you also 'have' to accept that as well as posters who 'Witch-hunt' Dave, there are those supporters who defend him regardless.
I detest Dave but I tried to avoid 'jumping on bandwagons' .. in one or two threads in the past, I tried my best to get to the 'nub' of something re Dave and ended up (because I didn't accept on face-value, the 'unproven', 'assumtion' etc etc rejoinders from his supporters) not getting anywhere, and then insulted!! Since then, anything I have written has been seen or heard, researched etc.... by myself. It has made no difference at all, I still get challenged with the same 'arguments', usually to the effect that I'm just a Dave hater who has 'it' in for him?! ... I have yet to hear one Dave supporter admit that he 'may' have crossed a line.

I do accept that there are people that would defend Dave, whatever happened. I am not one of them. I am just tired of the sick things that have been said about him, and more particularly, about his family. These things have been said by people who have probably never picked up a Bible. And yet, a lot of them quote Googled verses and commandments that just end up making them look shallow and ignorant.

Dave may have crossed a line. However, who are we to say what that line is? All religions have aspects that "cross the line". Something that seems to throw the Anti-Dave Lobby into a particular frenzy is the healing thing. I'm not saying I particularly agree with it but I don't think it is a malicious act. Lourdes is a place of pilgrimage and MASSIVE money-spinner for the Catholics and thousands of people come away from there every year feeling like it's done them some good. I don't see that as evil, or as preying on the sick.

I wasn't really directing the "witch hunt" term at you even though I was answering your post. Although I don't always agree with what you say, you do think about what you're saying and can discuss intelligently whatever point's being made. Not everyone does.

[Peter Plunker]

Hey housemate, what's your problem? Dave hasn't broken any laws or hurt anyone. Your avatar and sig is probably a copyrighted image, so therefore you have broken the law by using it, you've crossed the line, omg, CRIMINALLLLLLLLL!!!. Obviously that's ridiculous but please, pretty please, wind your neck in.

[Malza]

Mario was just as much involved!

:nono:

Mario just joined with the paper, he had nothing to do with it anymore, he stepped back, when Dave and Sam started to throw the rice and stuff

[housemate]

I do accept that there are people that would defend Dave, whatever happened. I am not one of them. I am just tired of the sick things that have been said about him, and more particularly, about his family. These things have been said by people who have probably never picked up a Bible. And yet, a lot of them quote Googled verses and commandments that just end up making them look shallow and ignorant.

Dave may have crossed a line. However, who are we to say what that line is? All religions have aspects that "cross the line". Something that seems to throw the Anti-Dave Lobby into a particular frenzy is the healing thing. I'm not saying I particularly agree with it but I don't think it is a malicious act. Lourdes is a place of pilgrimage and MASSIVE money-spinner for the Catholics and thousands of people come away from there every year feeling like it's done them some good. I don't see that as evil, or as preying on the sick.

I wasn't really directing the "witch hunt" term at you even though I was answering your post. Although I don't always agree with what you say, you do think about what you're saying and can discuss intelligently whatever point's being made. Not everyone does.

'...discuss intelligently whatever point's being made. Not everyone does.'

True, this can be said about both camps though..
one of Daves fans recently told me (after several graphic obscenities) that he hopes I die Young .. another seemed to enjoy, what she must have considered to be 'enjoyable banter' which only resulted in killing any form of debate or learning about the issues raised in the thread, .. so frustrating!
I'm sure you have similar stories directed at you from the 'other' camp.
It doesn't alter the fact that Dave seems to be excused any and every wrong, my earlier post was directed more at his 'antics' etc.. within the house .. not the furore surrounding his 'real' life outside those walls.
I think that there are only two Dave fans/friends to date who are willing to be polite in response to my posts .. I've yet to hear any of 'them' call Dave out on anything though.

[Maia]

Sam and Dave are legends! :D

[bbfan1991]

Serves BB right, good on them!:D.

[as90]

Just a bit of fun, lighten up.

[housemate]

Hey housemate, what's your problem? Dave hasn't broken any laws or hurt anyone. Your avatar and sig is probably a copyrighted image, so therefore you have broken the law by using it, you've crossed the line, omg, CRIMINALLLLLLLLL!!!. Obviously that's ridiculous but please, pretty please, wind your neck in.

I haven't got a problem ..I'm in an open Forum discussing what I think is a ridiculous thing for a married Father/ Minister to have done.
You have a valid point about the avatar and sig, I'll deal with that later (soon) but on the other hand if you can show me where I have lied/back stabbed/been a hypocrite or taken part in 'fun' which has made me look like a desperate child trying to gain favour, you will have a solid base to accuse me from.

[chuff me dizzy]

Sam is just a young lad having a laugh Dave is an attention seeker who needs to grow up

[chuff me dizzy]

Hey housemate, what's your problem? Dave hasn't broken any laws or hurt anyone. Your avatar and sig is probably a copyrighted image, so therefore you have broken the law by using it, you've crossed the line, omg, CRIMINALLLLLLLLL!!!. Obviously that's ridiculous but please, pretty please, wind your neck in.

Fraud and deception are BOTH crimes

[Livia]

'...discuss intelligently whatever point's being made. Not everyone does.'

True, this can be said about both camps though..
one of Daves fans recently told me (after several graphic obscenities) that he hopes I die Young .. another seemed to enjoy, what she must have considered to be 'enjoyable banter' which only resulted in killing any form of debate or learning about the issues raised in the thread, .. so frustrating!
I'm sure you have similar stories directed at you from the 'other' camp.
It doesn't alter the fact that Dave seems to be excused any and every wrong, my earlier post was directed more at his 'antics' etc.. within the house .. not the furore surrounding his 'real' life outside those walls.
I think that there are only two Dave fans/friends to date who are willing to be polite in response to my posts .. I've yet to hear any of 'them' call Dave out on anything though.

I saw the "die young" post. I was disgusted by it, for the record.

I don't see myself as being in any camp. I don't particularly want Dave to win, and I don't feel so strongly that I want to vote for him to go. And I know that there are people on both sides of the argument who make themselves look like raving lunatics. I'm not excusing either side.

I still think the overreaction to Dave has been excessive.

We can agree to differ. Because we're grown ups.

[housemate]

"I still think the overreaction to Dave has been excessive.
We can agree to differ. Because we're grown ups. "

I respect what you say and even agree with you to a (small) degree re Dave.
I also still think that admitting that (any) HM deserves criticism where earned is a valid point too .. this 'rule' just doesn't seem to apply to Dave.
I'm not in any 'camp' per se either, I form my own opinions and have commended Dave when I thought he was in the right about a particular thing.

[psychtracker]

"I still think the overreaction to Dave has been excessive.
We can agree to differ. Because we're grown ups. "

I respect what you say and even agree with you to a (small) degree re Dave.
I also still think that admitting that (any) HM deserves criticism where earned is a valid point too .. this 'rule' just doesn't seem to apply to Dave.
I'm not in any 'camp' per se either, I form my own opinions and have commended Dave when I thought he was in the right about a particular thing.

Sorry to but in - but, the reality is, there's a bunch of Dave haters who will use any excuse to have a dig at him. If he does a prank with Sam, then they'll bash him, but if he'd not done a prank and reacted like Steve, the same posse would of bashed him for being a bore - killjoy. Dave can do NO right in these these people's eyes, and the sad reality, as has been posted on numerous occasions is that - it is because he is religious. He can not do anything right because he is religious.

[housemate]

Sorry to but in - but, the reality is, there's a bunch of Dave haters who will use any excuse to have a dig at him. If he does a prank with Sam, then they'll bash him, but if he'd not done a prank and reacted like Steve, the same posse would of bashed him for being a bore - killjoy. Dave can do NO right in these these people's eyes, and the sad reality, as has been posted on numerous occasions is that - it is because he is religious. He can not do anything right because he is religious.

Hi,
thats right, I have seen that but I've also seen that applied to other HMs, Dave isn't singled out solely because of his religion

However he choose to enter as a Minister which was immediately going to put him under greater scrutiny (he didn't realise that?).. he overtly reads the Gospels every day, this also serves to portray him as a man of convictions etc.. etc .. when he is then seen to contradict the image/label he has created ... he is naturally going to be subject to derision and labelled a hypocrite.
I'm disgusted with some of the comments which have been made about all HMs ... just take a look at Josies 'log' .... it sinks way beneath decency no matter how disliked she is ... or Corin ... infact any of them, not just Dave.

[WOMBAI]

Sorry to but in - but, the reality is, there's a bunch of Dave haters who will use any excuse to have a dig at him. If he does a prank with Sam, then they'll bash him, but if he'd not done a prank and reacted like Steve, the same posse would of bashed him for being a bore - killjoy. Dave can do NO right in these these people's eyes, and the sad reality, as has been posted on numerous occasions is that - it is because he is religious. He can not do anything right because he is religious.

I agree! People have some very narrow-minded ideas about how religious people should behave and/or how they should practice their religious beliefs - as if the way one worships God is written in stone!

And many doing that - are not religious at all - have no idea what they are talking about - but still have some bizarre notion that - to be truly religious you must follow certain rules - and basically behave like a saint! Just nonsense!

[MTVN]

"I still think the overreaction to Dave has been excessive.
We can agree to differ. Because we're grown ups. "

I respect what you say and even agree with you to a (small) degree re Dave.
I also still think that admitting that (any) HM deserves criticism where earned is a valid point too .. this 'rule' just doesn't seem to apply to Dave.
I'm not in any 'camp' per se either, I form my own opinions and have commended Dave when I thought he was in the right about a particular thing.

I'm sorry, but you cant say that Dave is being exempt from criticism on here. On the contrary, it seems to me that people seek every oppurtunity to insult him, and the furor surrounding most of his actions is excessive to say the least. Take the hunting thing, he's not really doing anything wrong, he's commiting to crime, yet the thread title read "Dave is a murderer", what a load of sensationalist crap.

I'm not saying this applies to you but there seems to be a hwole campaign going on to turn him into a public hate figure. Videos being posted daily, threads cropping up calling him a "liar", "murderer" etc. some of the things that have been said about him have been out of order if you ask me.

[housemate]

I'm sorry, but you cant say that Dave is being exempt from criticism on here. On the contrary, it seems to me that people seek every oppurtunity to insult him, and the furor surrounding most of his actions is excessive to say the least. Take the hunting thing, he's not really doing anything wrong, he's commiting to crime, yet the thread title read "Dave is a murderer", what a load of sensationalist crap.

I'm not saying this applies to you but there seems to be a hwole campaign going on to turn him into a public hate figure. Videos being posted daily, threads cropping up calling him a "liar", "murderer" etc. some of the things that have been said about him have been out of order if you ask me.

My point was that he is exempt from any wrong doing at all from his fans/friends ... I agree (see above posts) that many posts and threads have been cruel and unfair .. this is so for all HMs, not just Dave .... all I'm asking is that when Dave is wrong, he shouldn't be blindly supported ... this though has been, and continues to be, the trend .. to date.

[Chuckyegg]

Well i diskile Dave enormously but I think even I would be driven to do something similar at this point in the story. Not with food though. I fkng hate people throwing food about.

[kimstar]

its just fun...GOSH! You guys r boringgg

[housemate]

Well i diskile Dave enormously but I think even I would be driven to do something similar at this point in the story. Not with food though. I fkng hate people throwing food about.

Yes CHUCKYEGG .. rofl!!

[Julie10]

http://bb-cache.channel4.com/bigbrother/video/2010/Aug/20/sam-and-dave-cause-mayhem/play.c4

Hilarious ... !!
BTW Mario didn't throw the food around he was 'only' involved with the grease proof paper 'jinx' ... and no, I'm not sticking up for Mario (who I don't like either) or Sam, they are both idiots too.
Dave is however a Father and Minister .. presumably this alone should compel him to be a tad less infantile.


I wonder what his reaction would be if he came home from his hard day of preaching crap and found his house in the state he left the BB house? I bet he wouldn't have been very please.

[WOMBAI]

I'm sorry, but you cant say that Dave is being exempt from criticism on here. On the contrary, it seems to me that people seek every oppurtunity to insult him, and the furor surrounding most of his actions is excessive to say the least. Take the hunting thing, he's not really doing anything wrong, he's commiting to crime, yet the thread title read "Dave is a murderer", what a load of sensationalist crap.

I'm not saying this applies to you but there seems to be a hwole campaign going on to turn him into a public hate figure. Videos being posted daily, threads cropping up calling him a "liar", "murderer" etc. some of the things that have been said about him have been out of order if you ask me.

Very true! Because people don't understand the passionate and bizarre way he practices his beliefs - people ridicule him and try to suggest he is either a nutter or a conman! People fear what they don't understand or the unfamiliar - which says more about them than him!

They harp on about how he needs investigating with absolutely no evidence to validate such comments. The wheelchair video, in particular, had people accusing him of all sorts, putting words in his mouth, whilst being completely unable to produce any evidence to back up their wild allegations!

Friends of Dave have explained why the wheelchair was used - quite logical, feasible explanations - but people conveniently ignore them - because they are simply biased against the man because of his religious beliefs!

I like Dave, I find him easy-going, friendly, funny and entertaining. I don't care about how he practices his religious beliefs - unless it is proved that he has been dishonest in his practice!

People need to lighten up - and take him for the funny man he is - and stop looking for reasons to hate him - because they find him rather odd!

[Livia]

its just fun...GOSH! You guys r boringgg

Let me know when you'd like my description of you.

[MTVN]

My point was that he is exempt from any wrong doing at all from his fans/friends ... I agree (see above posts) that many posts and threads have been cruel and unfair .. this is so for all HMs, not just Dave .... all I'm asking is that when Dave is wrong, he shouldn't be blindly supported ... this though has been, and continues to be, the trend .. to date.

Well, whether his actions are right or wrong is entirely subjective. A lot of people though it was wrong of him to do a belly flop in the puddle; I thought it was hilarious. A lot of people think it's wrong that he hunts; I think he's not breaking any law, and hunting can sometimes be neccesary. A lot of people think it's wrong that he claims God heals; I would point out that he's no different to most preachers, they all believe God can heal.

There's also the fact that many Dave fans, myself included, feel he is being unjustly treated by many on this forum, and this is perhaps why they are more indignant when it comes to Dave's faults, becasue I will admit he does have some, everyone does. Similarly I feel that peoples opinion of him has been influenced so much by those youtube videos that everything he does is scrutunised so as to use it against him, and when he does do something positive it is ignored. During the prediciton task, Dave was the voice of reason a lot of the times, when he pointed out John James hypocrisy for instance, and this is something I've often seem from him, but it tends to go unacknowledged, as do most of his more commendable actions

[MTVN]

Very true! Because people don't understand the passionate and bizarre way he practices his beliefs - people ridicule him and try to suggest he is either a nutter or a conman! People fear what they don't understand or the unfamiliar - which says more about them than him!

They harp on about how he needs investigating with absolutely no evidence to validate such comments. The wheelchair video, in particular, had people accusing him of all sorts, putting words in his mouth, whilst being completely unable to produce any evidence to back up their wild allegations!

Friends of Dave have explained why the wheelchair was used - quite logical, feasible explanations - but people conveniently ignore them - because they are simply biased against the man because of his religious beliefs!

I like Dave, I find him easy-going, friendly, funny and entertaining. I don't care about how he practices his religious beliefs - unless it is proved that he has been dishonest in his practice!

People need to lighten up - and take him for the funny man he is - and stop looking for reasons to hate him - because they find him rather odd!

I agree. People should just learn to live and let live, and stop getting so hung up over his beliefs. I dont agree with getting drunk on God, but I'm not going to judge him on it. From what I've seen he hasnt tried to shove his beliefs down the other housemates throats, and everyone needs to stop defining him by his religioun. Dave is friendly, funny, perceptive and wise, and he seems to be a good family man, but it seems that people are reluctant to acknowledge this, and only care about the fact that they dont understand his religous perspective.

[psychtracker]

Hi,
thats right, I have seen that but I've also seen that applied to other HMs, Dave isn't singled out solely because of his religion

That's true, not solely but unfortunately happens a lot.


However he choose to enter as a Minister which was immediately going to put him under greater scrutiny (he didn't realise that?)..

But it's not his choice to be daily bashed on a forum by a witchhunt posse of haters. I (and other's), merely make a few comments to try and address the fact that people are being unreasonable and attempting to blow a lot of things that he does or says in the house out of proportion because they have an unrealistic expectation of what and how a "religious" person should act and behave. BUT then, i (and other's), get jumped on as being some "nutjob" cult fan or friend, of which i am neither.


he overtly reads the Gospels every day, this also serves to portray him as a man of convictions etc.. etc .. when he is then seen to contradict the image/label he has created ... he is naturally going to be subject to derision and labelled a hypocrite.

So, do you have a belief that any religious person - never lies, cheats, steals nor ever does anything wrong?

I'm disgusted with some of the comments which have been made about all HMs ... just take a look at Josies 'log' .... it sinks way beneath decency no matter how disliked she is ... or Corin ... infact any of them, not just Dave.

I agree, it's a shame.

[Kazanne]

Fancy having fun eh? Terrible.

But would they like it done to THEIR homes?I doubt it somehow?

[housemate]

Most things that the HMs do are subjective however when one of them is heard to blatently lie (not just Dave .. but it is Dave we are discussing) or do any number of other things I could cite re Dave, having seen and heard the context for myself, it is wrong to deny that they ever happened or make lame excuses about them.
Had Dave not wanted to be judged by his 'mantle' then he should have gone in as Mr Dave V .. not as a Christian Minister, I still wouldn't have liked him but the issue of his religion wouldn't have gauged him or his actions.

Quote: Dave was the voice of reason a lot of the times, when he pointed out John James hypocrisy for instance, and this is something I've often seem from him, but it tends to go unacknowledged, as do most of his more commendable actions

As much as I dislike Dave, I started a thread a few days ago praising him abpout a very similar issue.

[Chuckyegg]

When the chips are down. When all's bread and done..........erm..........???

[flamingGalah!]

Fancy having fun eh? Terrible.

YAWN :sleep: Dave's PA is back... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Hey housemate, what's your problem? Dave hasn't broken any laws or hurt anyone. Your avatar and sig is probably a copyrighted image, so therefore you have broken the law by using it, you've crossed the line, omg, CRIMINALLLLLLLLL!!!. Obviously that's ridiculous but please, pretty please, wind your neck in.

It is just desperate attention seeking behaviour as he doesn't want to go tonight... A final last ditch attemp... Sad t***...

And I'm sure Dave has hurt plenty of people in the past, giving them false hope by claiming he can cure them of cancer etc... Vile con man... :nono:

[MTVN]

Most things that the HMs do are subjective however when one of them is heard to blatently lie (not just Dave .. but it is Dave we are discussing) or do any number of other things I could cite re Dave, having seen and heard the context for myself, it is wrong to deny that they ever happened or make lame excuses about them.
Had Dave not wanted to be judged by his 'mantle' then he should have gone in as Mr Dave V .. not as a Christian Minister, I still wouldn't have liked him but the issue of his religion wouldn't have gauged him or his actions.

Quote: Dave was the voice of reason a lot of the times, when he pointed out John James hypocrisy for instance, and this is something I've often seem from him, but it tends to go unacknowledged, as do most of his more commendable actions

As much as I dislike Dave, I started a thread a few days ago praising him abpout a very similar issue.

When are you referring to with his "blatant lying"?

I see where you are coming from with regards to entering as a Minister but I still dont think he should be solely defined by his religious beliefs, theres clearly a lot more to him than that.

Although credit to you if you did start a thread praising Dave, I hadnt realised

[housemate]

Quote:
So, do you have a belief that any religious person - never lies, cheats, steals nor ever does anything wrong?

No, not at all ... I have my beliefs which state that we are all human and fallible.
A Minister is in a higher position than us ordinary Joes, he is charged with teaching by word and example.
My opinion is that Dave has let himself and his Church down, his portrayal of himself as a 'Man of God' just isn't believable, he makes too many repeated 'mistakes'.
Again plain Mr Dave V. would have sailed across most of these incidents, a self proclaimed Preacher behaving that way never had a hope of doing anything other than crashing.

[WOMBAI]

I haven't got a problem ..I'm in an open Forum discussing what I think is a ridiculous thing for a married Father/ Minister to have done.
You have a valid point about the avatar and sig, I'll deal with that later (soon) but on the other hand if you can show me where I have lied/back stabbed/been a hypocrite or taken part in 'fun' which has made me look like a desperate child trying to gain favour, you will have a solid base to accuse me from.

They all do it - why should Dave be exempt - especially when considering it is all part of a tv gameshow - not something he is doing in real life to hurt someone!

[WOMBAI]

That's true, not solely but unfortunately happens a lot.



But it's not his choice to be daily bashed on a forum by a witchhunt posse of haters. I (and other's), merely make a few comments to try and address the fact that people are being unreasonable and attempting to blow a lot of things that he does or says in the house out of proportion because they have an unrealistic expectation of what and how a "religious" person should act and behave. BUT then, i (and other's), get jumped on as being some "nutjob" cult fan or friend, of which i am neither.


So, do you have a belief that any religious person - never lies, cheats, steals nor ever does anything wrong?



I agree, it's a shame.

I agree with every word of that!

[housemate]

Quote: "When are you referring to with his "blatant lying"?

The latest was yesterday (I think, so much has gone on over the past two days) , he was going on (and on) to Corin, telling her that he had no idea where the wigs had been hidden, hadn't had anything to do with the 'prank' and he was certain that it hadn't been done to upset her. ....
I don't know if you saw him on Sunday, goading Sam for hours about taking the wigs because it would have Corin raging etc, etc.....
He actually told quite a few 'howlers' that day ... I'm sure the post are still up, I contributed as it was going on.

[Astaril]

Its pathetic, a 'grown' man behaving like a naughty child.

Oh jeez, I bet you are the life and soul at a party!

ffs you can still have fun when you are over 30 you know there isn't a cut off point, in fact its a very healthy thing to do! You only live once for gods sake.

I am NO Dave fan, I dislike him for many reasons but one of his redeaming qualities is that he will let his hair down and have a laugh, he has a great sence of fun and that is a positive thing. If I was in the BB house and it was potentially my last night there, I would definitely join in!

You really need to lighten up lady and let go once in a while. Ever heard of your free child?

[housemate]

Oh jeez, I bet you are the life and soul at a party!

ffs you can still have fun when you are over 30 you know there isn't a cut off point, in fact its a very healthy thing to do! You only live once for gods sake.

I am NO Dave fan, I dislike him for many reasons but one of his redeaming qualities is that he will let his hair down and have a laugh, he has a great sence of fun and that is a positive thing. If I was in the BB house and it was potentially my last night there, I would definitely join in!

You really need to lighten up lady and let go once in a while. Ever heard of your free child?

No but then Partypoopers wouldn't , would they.

[Livia]

This thread is entitled "Sam and Dave have trashed the BB house". But as usual, it's turned into a "Dave is not a very good Christian" thread.

[DoM-h]

Brilliant. Yet again shades of 'Marcus Akin' or it's quite similar to when Mikey (BB9) threw Chick peas everywhere shouting 'chick peas, chick peas'

[housemate]

This thread is entitled "Sam and Dave have trashed the BB house". But as usual, it's turned into a "Dave is not a very good Christian" thread.

Apologies. However if I don't respond to the posts I get accused of not having an answer, wombi for one does love her little taunts!
I will get off and leave the thread to recover its purpose.
I hope you all have a good eviction night and get your wish for who goes! ..
Bye xx

[WOMBAI]

Quote:
So, do you have a belief that any religious person - never lies, cheats, steals nor ever does anything wrong?

No, not at all ... I have my beliefs which state that we are all human and fallible.
A Minister is in a higher position than us ordinary Joes, he is charged with teaching by word and example.
My opinion is that Dave has let himself and his Church down, his portrayal of himself as a 'Man of God' just isn't believable, he makes too many repeated 'mistakes'.
Again plain Mr Dave V. would have sailed across most of these incidents, a self proclaimed Preacher behaving that way never had a hope of doing anything other than crashing.

I don't agree that he has let either himself or his Church down - I think he is just being himself, having a laugh - but also trying to play the game, as he is as entitled to win as anyone else! And I think he would use the money more wisely than many of the others!

Being over-the-top at times is clearly part of his personality - something, no doubt, his church supporters love him for - he is very charasmatic -and full of enthusiasm in his approach to life! He has added a 'spark' to the show - that he no doubt adds to his church activities! Dave is Dave - no pretence, no airs and graces - what you see is what you get - in my opinion!

[WOMBAI]

Apologies. However if I don't respond to the posts I get accused of not having an answer, wombi for one does love her little taunts!

I will get off and leave the thread to recover its purpose.

I hope you all have a good eviction night and get your wish for who goes! ..
Bye xx

Very much a case of taking one to know one! :sleep: