John/Rachael -'Argument' wasn't that bad!

[sosadbbend]

The argument between John James and Rachael wasn't as bad as everyone was making out. Watched it on HL show, Rachael obviously wanted to get a rise out of John. Ok his comment about what she may do for money was not good but as for being disrespectful to women as some people in the house and on here have said I don't believe it.
I think he treats men and women the same and doesn't 'sugar coat' what he thinks when it's a woman he's got a problem with. That's why people misinterpret his views.
It's unfortunate for him that his problem with Corin was weaved into the situation because she relished making situation worse and then BB let the show end with her speech in the diary room and that will finish him off.:bawling:

[BBAroudtheGlobe]

He dug his own grave and should have to deal with it... instead of running away and crying cowardly. He doesn't treat men and women equally. He belittles women until they cry. He runs and hides when he even "thinks" a man will stand up to him. How pathetic.

[mummymaz]

I know i'll get blasted for this but i'll say it anyways ... i thought he was spot on .

[sosadbbend]

He dug his own grave and should have to deal with it... instead of running away and crying cowardly. He doesn't treat men and women equally. He belittles women until they cry. He runs and hides when he even "thinks" a man will stand up to him. How pathetic.

She didn't cry, she gave as good as she got!

[walter]

i thought he was spot on as well. She is a money grabbing fat bitch. I mean why the **** would she be going out with that sleezy nathan. O wait OK magazine deal maybe. She really is a piece of ****.

[mummymaz]

i doubt OK would be interested...maybe at a push Take a Break

[walter]

i doubt OK would be interested...maybe at a push Take a Break

i generalised. A magazine of some sort.

[terryrow]

I know i'll get blasted for this but i'll say it anyways ... i thought he was spot on .
is that mummymaz, or mummy's boy?
too much oedipus complex goinb on here.

[Blueisthecolour]

I suspect there may have been more to that conversation than was shown on the highlights.

On what was actually shown then John James didn't really say anything that wasn't true.

One of his beefs with Rachael in the house was that he said she was the sort of girl who would do anything for fame and get a topless shoot as soon as she left the house.

She got very hoity toity and denied it and said he was disgusting for suggesting it.

He was right.

Whether he actually needed to say that stuff to her after the event is a different matter. But it's interesting that when other people say things which are harsh but true, they are: "Saying it like it is".

When John James does it he's a monster

[Shasown]

I suspect there may have been more to that conversation than was shown on the highlights.

On what was actually shown then John James didn't really say anything that wasn't true.

One of his beefs with Rachael in the house was that he said she was the sort of girl who would do anything for fame and get a topless shoot as soon as she left the house.

She got very hoity toity and denied it and said he was disgusting for suggesting it.

He was right.

Whether he actually needed to say that stuff to her after the event is a different matter. But it's interesting that when other people say things which are harsh but true, they are: "Saying it like it is".

When John James does it he's a monster

Thats true, amazing how peoples memories are so selective after a few weeks isnt it.

[housemate]

A lot of these comments are very similar to Johns take on it ... he said he'd love to see the tape because he thinks it will probably be quite funny and not as bad as he had first imagined (after he realised Nathan had been the other side of the mirror)
I saw the whole thing on LF, yes Racheal stuck up for herself but then she also made attempts to diffuse the tone .. John (yawn, again) wouldn't let it go. He kept taking low shots at her.
Anyway, he'll be happy when people tell him how he 'got it right' with Rachael ... it will give him the confidence to do it again to some other poor girl!
I'm sure his Mum was soooo proud too (not), if he was my lad I'd wonder what the heck I'd done wrong!

[mummymaz]

is that mummymaz, or mummy's boy?
too much oedipus complex goinb on here.

mummymaz..female...nothern...pretty...fan of BB...loves chips.

[walter]

comments are very similar to Johns take on it because he is right in every way. I agree the prostitute comment was harsh and he shouldn't have said it.

[Shiner]

Remembering that JJ1 isn't at all a favourite of mine :) here's how I read between the lines (biased BB edits) with their wee sesh together....

I honestly believe that he didn't pick her for the task so he could rip into her - at most he probably expected some banter between them. I reckon her and Nathan have wound each other up so much about how JJ1 was instrumental in them both leaving the house that she would have been seething with him. So from the moment he entered the room he got a massive bad vibe off her and no matter what he said she would have been $hitty with him. Remember she said that it was BB's initial intentions for her to get massaged by him but the thought was so *abhorrent to her that she made BB switch the roles - even though there would still be physical contact between them - not too bright eh Rach :rolleyes:. Faced with this unexpected bad attitude and because of how childish and stubborn he is JJ1 just let the situation get away from him and he said stuff that he regretted.

I would put money on the fact that if we were shown the moment when he came through the door he would have been smiling and she would have been stood there arms folded and with that "like duh" face on that he took the piss out of so much when she was in the house. BB didn't show that moment for some reason and yet they showed us the first moments between Corin and Nathan and Mario and Ben. :nono:

*If it was so damn horrible for her to touch him as she indicated then it probably would have been better for her just not to participate with the task at all but as JJ1 rudely pointed out she would do anything for her 15 minutes of fame.... even sleep with Nathan :yuk:... which in a way backs up that horrid thing he said. ;)

[walter]

well said shine. The editing was so against JJ as i agree that he would have gone in with good intentions but her ****ty look would have ruined all those intentions. and yes he said stuff he shouldnt have but he isn't that bright and just got carried away. Rachael is a nasty piece of work.

She never had to say she swapped roles with the massaging thing. She said it to wind him up which it did. It's an absolute disgrace how BB are so biased on the HL.

[Shasown]

mummymaz..female...nothern...pretty...fan of BB...loves chips.

Settle petal! This is TIBB not eharmony!

[Shasown]

Remembering that JJ1 isn't at all a favourite of mine :) here's how I read between the lines (biased BB edits) with their wee sesh together....

I honestly believe that he didn't pick her for the task so he could rip into her - at most he probably expected some banter between them. I reckon her and Nathan have wound each other up so much about how JJ1 was instrumental in them both leaving the house that she would have been seething with him. So from the moment he entered the room he got a massive bad vibe off her and no matter what he said she would have been $hitty with him. Remember she said that it was BB's initial intentions for her to get massaged by him but the thought was so *abhorrent to her that she made BB switch the roles - even though there would still be physical contact between them - not too bright eh Rach :rolleyes:. Faced with this unexpected bad attitude and because of how childish and stubborn he is JJ1 just let the situation get away from him and he said stuff that he regretted.

I would put money on the fact that if we were shown the moment when he came through the door he would have been smiling and she would have been stood there arms folded and with that "like duh" face on that he took the piss out of so much when she was in the house. BB didn't show that moment for some reason and yet they showed us the first moments between Corin and Nathan and Mario and Ben. :nono:

*If it was so damn horrible for her to touch him as she indicated then it probably would have been better for her just not to participate with the task at all but as JJ1 rudely pointed out she would do anything for her 15 minutes of fame.... even sleep with Nathan :yuk:... which in a way backs up that horrid thing he said. ;)

She also turned up and massaged JJ1, she didnt do it to try and settle the air between them, she did it for more airtime and the appearance fee.

[mummymaz]

Settle petal! This is TIBB not eharmony!


godammit! one of these days i'll get a date :wink:

[Julesuk]

I know i'll get blasted for this but i'll say it anyways ... i thought he was spot on .

I am agreeing with you this time - but your braver than me you actually said it, but I also think he was spot on the fact she was prepared to put herself in that situation says it all. Lets not forget Nathan also lost in the eviction to John James -

[NettoSuperstar!]

He went too far but he did have a point (maybe could have expressed it better) but she was clearly in there to wind him up and I dont believe for one minute her and Nathan are together I think it was all a set up

[BBAroudtheGlobe]

^^^ How was it a set up if he had the choice to pick her or not?

If it was a set up, then he set himself up. He was clearly playing up to the cameras because he viewers enjoy it. It just backfired on him this time.

[crocs]

The editing was so against JJ

Well, even BB can't perform miracles. They would have to butcher everything in order to make it pro John James now.

[Livia]

The argument between John James and Rachael wasn't as bad as everyone was making out. Watched it on HL show, Rachael obviously wanted to get a rise out of John. Ok his comment about what she may do for money was not good but as for being disrespectful to women as some people in the house and on here have said I don't believe it.
I think he treats men and women the same and doesn't 'sugar coat' what he thinks when it's a woman he's got a problem with. That's why people misinterpret his views.
It's unfortunate for him that his problem with Corin was weaved into the situation because she relished making situation worse and then BB let the show end with her speech in the diary room and that will finish him off.:bawling:

He is DEEPLY disrespectful to women. I'm not sure if you're male or female, but if he'd spoken to your sister/girlfriend/you/one of your female friends like that you'd be seeing it differently, I suspect. If he'd spoken to me like that he'd have a tag on his toe right now. I think Rachael behaved with dignity in the face of a spiteful, immature, attention-seeking dunderhead. Although you must have noticed that his attitude adjusted when he heard Nathan was annoyed. Only then did he realise he may have gone over the top. Funny that...

The bit about treating women and men the same and not 'sugar coating' what he says is just a repetition of what his mother said on BBLB.

John James is a bully, and like most bullies, he's a coward.

[NettoSuperstar!]

^^^ How was it a set up if he had the choice to pick her or not?

If it was a set up, then he set himself up. He was clearly playing up to the cameras because he viewers enjoy it. It just backfired on him this time.

Oh come on all very neat, she drops in all the I've got a boyfriend, shes clearly in their to wind him up and get him to react, then conveniently Nathans in next and tells Corin hes with Rachel... BB knows the likelihood of certain choices getting made, theyre not daft

[Livia]

I am agreeing with you this time - but your braver than me you actually said it, but I also think he was spot on the fact she was prepared to put herself in that situation says it all. Lets not forget Nathan also lost in the eviction to John James -

She wasn't the only ex-housemate who went in there.

Why do people think John James has the right to point out what he perceives as other people's faults? He was possitively gleeful when he came back from the massage and told everyone how he almost made Rachael cry. How is that endearing?

[KERRYJ]

Every one seems to be forgetting that when racheal was in the house she was prepared to fancy jj because she thought thats what the audience wanted "i really like you" flutter eyelashes. And then all off a sudden shes out and she really fancies nathan, give me a break. What jj said was out of order but he is right sex sells, he knows it she knows it and so do we. I wonder when we will here all about the passionate night they spent together in heat magazine - not long must be about due by now.

[Shiner]

^^^ How was it a set up if he had the choice to pick her or not?

If it was a set up, then he set himself up. He was clearly playing up to the cameras because he viewers enjoy it. It just backfired on him this time.

Do you think Rachel would have greeted him with open arms had he chosen her instead? Nope.

BB said right at the start of his task that "he had a way with the ladies". BB was clearly exploiting him for a particular trait that he has and one that will get the forums etc. up in arms about him... and it worked. He was going to get cained whoever he picked.

[crocs]

BB said right at the start of his task that "he had a way with the ladies".

He genuinely thought after that comment that he has a way with the ladies. Until he had to remove the cloth.

[reece(:]

If you didn't watch it on live feed you missed most of it anyways.

[Adamw92]

He dug his own grave and should have to deal with it... instead of running away and crying cowardly. He doesn't treat men and women equally. He belittles women until they cry. He runs and hides when he even "thinks" a man will stand up to him. How pathetic.

I completely agree!

[starry]

I know it wasn't, I watched it on LF. It was actually quite funny. They should have played all of it on the HLs, Nathan with Corin was boring in comparison.

[sosadbbend]

[QUOTE=Livia;3687634]He is DEEPLY disrespectful to women. I'm not sure if you're male or female, but if he'd spoken to your sister/girlfriend/you/one of your female friends like that you'd be seeing it differently, I suspect. If he'd spoken to me like that he'd have a tag on his toe right now. I think Rachael behaved with dignity in the face of a spiteful, immature, attention-seeking dunderhead. Although you must have noticed that his attitude adjusted when he heard Nathan was annoyed. Only then did he realise he may have gone over the top. Funny that...

The bit about treating women and men the same and not 'sugar coating' what he says is just a repetition of what his mother said on BBLB.

John James is a bully, and like most bullies, he's a coward.[

A bully is someone who picks on someone seemingly weaker than themselves and Rachael definitely doesn't come under that category, she gave as good as she got and wasn't crying!

[crocs]

Bullies pick someone they THINK is weaker than them.

[Livia]

Every one seems to be forgetting that when racheal was in the house she was prepared to fancy jj because she thought thats what the audience wanted "i really like you" flutter eyelashes. And then all off a sudden shes out and she really fancies nathan, give me a break. What jj said was out of order but he is right sex sells, he knows it she knows it and so do we. I wonder when we will here all about the passionate night they spent together in heat magazine - not long must be about due by now.


I don't buy Heat magazine so I'll never hear about it in there.

Whatever Rachael's feelings for John James he had no right to speak to her in such an abusive and disrespectful manner. And for the women on this forum who think he did nothing wrong... I feel really sorry for you because you obviously don't understand what it's like to have a real man treat you with respect.

[Livia]

A bully is someone who picks on someone seemingly weaker than themselves and Rachael definitely doesn't come under that category, she gave as good as she got and wasn't crying!


I don't need a word definition thanks. Just because Rachael didn't cry, you think his behaviour was acceptable! That's one of the saddest things I've heard today.

[Astaril]

i thought he was spot on as well. She is a money grabbing fat bitch. I mean why the **** would she be going out with that sleezy nathan. O wait OK magazine deal maybe. She really is a piece of ****.

I think this is really harsh, as if she is the only one who went on that show for fame, money and magazine deals? She was the only one that was honest about it from the start and said she wanted to do this kind of thing. What do you think the others are there for? The experience alone? Thats just naive. They will all grab whatever opportunities they can from this and who can blame them?

The only one I can't figure out is JJ1, I genuinly don't think he is in there for money. Fame possibly?

I think JJ1 was really insulting to Rachael in the argument though, it was really uncalled for. I am a JJ1 fan as well :( I think he has a really nice, sweet side to him, but the other side is just.... nasty! I really wish I could work him out.

[Astaril]

Oh come on all very neat, she drops in all the I've got a boyfriend, shes clearly in their to wind him up and get him to react, then conveniently Nathans in next and tells Corin hes with Rachel... BB knows the likelihood of certain choices getting made, theyre not daft
You forget, he first said something along the lines of... " You will find it hard to get a boyfriend to take you seriously now" something like this anyway.

[robb]

Every one seems to be forgetting that when racheal was in the house she was prepared to fancy jj because she thought thats what the audience wanted "i really like you" flutter eyelashes. And then all off a sudden shes out and she really fancies nathan, give me a break. What jj said was out of order but he is right sex sells, he knows it she knows it and so do we. I wonder when we will here all about the passionate night they spent together in heat magazine - not long must be about due by now.

Do you mean JohnJames and Josie?? Nah, I think they'll make one edition of OK! before she finally, finally realises she is carrying on with a mother-fixated phsycotic woman hater.

[Shiner]

Do you mean JohnJames and Josie?? Nah, I think they'll make one edition of OK! before she finally, finally realises she is carrying on with a mother-fixated phsycotic woman hater.

Nope she actually meant Rachael and JJ1. Way before JJJ, remember she was desperate to cop off with him but he kept slagging her for being shallow but each time he threw her a bone she came a running? That Rachael. The one who suddenly fell for the next available man (I use the term bluntly) as soon as she got out of the house.

[WOMBAI]

The argument between John James and Rachael wasn't as bad as everyone was making out. Watched it on HL show, Rachael obviously wanted to get a rise out of John. Ok his comment about what she may do for money was not good but as for being disrespectful to women as some people in the house and on here have said I don't believe it.
I think he treats men and women the same and doesn't 'sugar coat' what he thinks when it's a woman he's got a problem with. That's why people misinterpret his views.
It's unfortunate for him that his problem with Corin was weaved into the situation because she relished making situation worse and then BB let the show end with her speech in the diary room and that will finish him off.:bawling:

Love is blind! :sleep:

[StGeorge]

Remembering that JJ1 isn't at all a favourite of mine :) here's how I read between the lines (biased BB edits) with their wee sesh together....

I honestly believe that he didn't pick her for the task so he could rip into her - at most he probably expected some banter between them. I reckon her and Nathan have wound each other up so much about how JJ1 was instrumental in them both leaving the house that she would have been seething with him. So from the moment he entered the room he got a massive bad vibe off her and no matter what he said she would have been $hitty with him. Remember she said that it was BB's initial intentions for her to get massaged by him but the thought was so *abhorrent to her that she made BB switch the roles - even though there would still be physical contact between them - not too bright eh Rach :rolleyes:. Faced with this unexpected bad attitude and because of how childish and stubborn he is JJ1 just let the situation get away from him and he said stuff that he regretted.

I would put money on the fact that if we were shown the moment when he came through the door he would have been smiling and she would have been stood there arms folded and with that "like duh" face on that he took the piss out of so much when she was in the house. BB didn't show that moment for some reason and yet they showed us the first moments between Corin and Nathan and Mario and Ben. :nono:

*If it was so damn horrible for her to touch him as she indicated then it probably would have been better for her just not to participate with the task at all but as JJ1 rudely pointed out she would do anything for her 15 minutes of fame.... even sleep with Nathan :yuk:... which in a way backs up that horrid thing he said. ;)

This is how i view the exchange as well. He actually had a choice and said her due to her short time in the house. He seemed ok until she said that she did the Nuts thing because "someone" had told her not to. His attitude changed then and got even worse when she indicated she didnt want him touching her.
Personally i think he does have no respect for women in general, but when you then add into the ingredient a BB wannabee like Rachael....15mins of fame....tits out deal....count the dosh....then its bound to kick off.

But if he is prepared to say derogatory things to people, then he should have the balls to back it up and not wimp out as he did. Pathetic.