FAO people that thought Josie was a gameplayer....

[Stevep]

Conniving YAWN, looking for Sams fans YAWN, manipulative YAWN, desperate and will do anything to win YAWN, her love for john james was all an act YAWN, now looking for the sympathy vote YAWN.

lol and look what happens, SHE WALKS and goes straight to John James. Pretty **** gameplan if you ask me.

Any chance you were all wrong and that she werent actually a brainy, cunning, maniplative mastermind that would do anything to win?

[Stevep]

she has already won, so why stay?

now all she wants is to spend all her winnings on cakes and chocolates and get under duvet with John James

she was a devious snake and a nasty bitch and a fat fook hippo troll

People were claiming she was changing her tactics for UBB. She was looking for Sams fans, she was looking for the sympathy vote and the rest.

All i can say after todays events, discussion ENDED.

[setanta]

Oh, she wanted to win UBB - make no mistake about that, but the little green eyed monster came out again once John James' name was mentioned.

[billy123]

fat ***** just didnt care once she had pocketed the cash good riddance to the thick twat

[Stevep]

Oh, she wanted to win UBB - make no mistake about that, but the little green eyed monster came out again once John James' name was mentioned.

Obviously, who doesnt? The difference in my argument is that she wasnt a Manipulative mastermind that was desperate to win. Forgetting BB11 for a moment, one popular theory on the masterminds UBB tactics were to look for the sympathy vote and blame her sombre mood in the house on her 'fake' love for John James........hmm i guess that theory was a load of bulls aye. Guess 'pulling in Sams fans' was a total waste of time too aye. Guess sucking up to all the UBB housemates goes out the window too.

Any chance she was just being herself?

[Stevep]

fat ***** just didnt care once she had pocketed the cash good riddance to the thick twat

Werent she a intelligent tactician before?

[Gillian-73]

No, she realised she couldn't get away with her fake game with the ubb HMs like she could with the bb11 HMs! Thats my opinion anyway!

[chuff me dizzy]

oh, she wanted to win ubb - make no mistake about that, but the little green eyed monster came out again once john james' name was mentioned.

exactly !

[Sticks]

Are some of you a bit bitter that your favoured housemate did not win?

I sense sour grapes

For the record I have been neutral and even suggested that maybe it would be better if Josie did not win BB11 (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157598), although that was for her own good. I bore her no malice, unlike some here

If you bothered to watch the BBLB interview it was clear that Josie had something a kin to a nervous breakdown.

UBB was a bad idea, poorly executed.

Yet again C4/Endemol handle this badly

[setanta]

Obviously, who doesnt? The difference in my argument is that she wasnt a Manipulative mastermind that was desperate to win. Forgetting BB11 for a moment, one popular theory on the masterminds UBB tactics were to look for the sympathy vote and blame her sombre mood in the house on her 'fake' love for John James........hmm i guess that theory was a load of bulls aye. Guess 'pulling in Sams fans' was a total waste of time too aye. Guess sucking up to all the UBB housemates goes out the window too.

Any chance she was just being herself?

She milked the sympathy vote for all it was worth during the days prior to the final, waffling on in the diary room and snuggling up to John James' photo under the duvet.

The difference now is that she obviously understood that the new housemates weren't going to humour this insecure part of her nature, and so she realised that she had no foothold within the house really and that John James was out there on his own, you know? That would have driven a manipulative and needy person like her mad.

[Angus]

Conniving YAWN, looking for Sams fans YAWN, manipulative YAWN, desperate and will do anything to win YAWN, her love for john james was all an act YAWN, now looking for the sympathy vote YAWN.

lol and look what happens, SHE WALKS and goes straight to John James. Pretty **** gameplan if you ask me.

Any chance you were all wrong and that she werent actually a brainy, cunning, maniplative mastermind that would do anything to win?

I'm even more convinced now what a conniving gameplayer she is. She was no longer top dog in the UBB house, and was just an average, overweight, not very bright, uninteresting wallflower. Without the showmance she has no storyline, no interest, no personality. No longer the centre of attention, she couldn't hack it, and after what Nadia and the others have said about JJ1 she was freaking out about him being on the loose with loads of other shielas!

It's not rocket science!:rolleyes:

[Shiner]

Conniving YAWN, looking for Sams fans YAWN, manipulative YAWN, desperate and will do anything to win YAWN, her love for john james was all an act YAWN, now looking for the sympathy vote YAWN.

lol and look what happens, SHE WALKS and goes straight to John James. Pretty **** gameplan if you ask me.

Any chance you were all wrong and that she werent actually a brainy, cunning, maniplative mastermind that would do anything to win?

Er... YAWN.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

If you bothered to watch the BBLB interview it was clear that Josie had something a kin to a nervous breakdown.

UBB was a bad idea, poorly executed.

Yet again C4/Endemol handle this badlyTotally agree Sticks, i dont think they should have, asked her to go back in either.

[BB_Eye]

If you bothered to watch the BBLB interview it was clear that Josie had something a kin to a nervous breakdown.

From personal experience, I don't believe that for a second. Look at how chirpy she was in her BBLB interview, does that look like somebody who went through a nervous breakdown to you? She wouldn't even want to appear on camera.

[Lex]

It just goes to show how smart our little Josie really is!!
It took her only two days to realise that she could'nt pull it off again!
Not with the acute rise in the quality of her opposition!
And that staying in the house, could only damage her current 'hard earned' popularity!
Staying in there and waiting to be evicted , when she could be outside(with business partner Crabby) , cashing in while still riding high....would be silly and un-Josie-like!!

WELL DONE JOSIE!:thumbs:....and you've still got the faithful fooled!! :hugesmile:

[Ammi]

I think its obvious now that she hid the fact that she is a boring person, devoid of personality under the duvet. She had a few one liners in the first few weeks, a couple in the last few days and nothing in between. I don't have any respect for the fact that she took the laziest most horizontal option of a fauxmance to entertain and as a fan I am insulted that she thought that her dopey self depreciating act would fool.
Now that she is forced into a vertical position and has actually got to make some sort of effort with her other HM's she's apparantly having a breakdown with the stress. And they are a fairly weak bunch of personalities compared to some past HM's.
Well good riddance - as your pathetic Aussie t*at would say 'If you cant hack it, get your jacket'

[setanta]

It just goes to show how smart our little Josie really is!!
It took her only two days to realise that she could'nt pull it off again!
Not with the acute rise in the quality of her opposition!
And that staying in the house, could only damage her current 'hard earned' popularity!
Staying in there and waiting to be evicted , when she could be outside(with business partner Crabby) , cashing in while still riding high....would be silly and un-Josie-like!!

WELL DONE JOSIE!:thumbs:....and you've still got the faithful fooled!! :hugesmile:

Yep, exactly. Well said.

[Stevep]

Er... YAWN.

Original that aye.

[Shiner]

Original that aye.

You missed the irony then.

[Lex]

Yep, exactly. Well said.

Thanks!:thumbs:

[Stevep]

Anyways, fair enough for all the peeps that think she is a game player, no need to try and convince people otherwise. We all see things and take them differently, so no point going on.

Again, not even a big fan of Josie and im finding myself defending her here in the past couple of days more than any other housemate. Just totally disagree with the Manipulative mastermind comments, find them mind boggling.

Anyways nufffffff said.

[Stevep]

you missed the irony then.

yawn.

[icecakes]

how do we know it wasnt a fix ,she diddnt want to go in,so bb says just go in for 2 days

so we can do the friday show,then you can walk out,we will leave the door open, remove

the security men,have john james waiting with open arms,then they can sail off in the

sunset ,with a great storyline,gave it all up for love,the papers will love it aaaaaaaah

[Sticks]

From personal experience, I don't believe that for a second. Look at how chirpy she was in her BBLB interview, does that look like somebody who went through a nervous breakdown to you? She wouldn't even want to appear on camera.

Now personal experience is cited in refution, but not everyone's experience is the same. Have never heard of "putting a brave face on it"

Some symptoms can be acute, like the hallucination she suffered from, although I suspect because of the stress she suffered from a form of Sleep Paralysis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis).

The other HM's were piling it on and Josie had an acute episode. We have all had times like that when things just get the better of us.

Also between walking and the filming of BBLB, who knows what counselling / Therapy / help would have been given to Josie so they could stick her in front of the camera for just a few minutes of footage.

All cases are different as any clinician will tell you.

[Sticks]

how do we know it wasnt a fix ,she diddnt want to go in,so bb says just go in for 2 days

so we can do the friday show,then you can walk out,we will leave the door open, remove

the security men,have john james waiting with open arms,then they can sail off in the

sunset ,with a great storyline,gave it all up for love,the papers will love it aaaaaaaah


They aren't that clever and they aren't that stupid

C4 / Endemol messed up plain and simple, like they always seem to do

[JEJ]

She was manipulative to the end, the crying in the diary room was totally fake and just a vehicle to get what she wanted, note how her voice become very level when she's saying what she wants.

The truth is she wanted to come out because she was worried John James would run off without her and she couldn't stand not knowing, plain and simple, but she didn't want to make even more of an idiot of herself by saying so.

[HBB1508]

how do we know it wasnt a fix ,she diddnt want to go in,so bb says just go in for 2 days

so we can do the friday show,then you can walk out,we will leave the door open, remove

the security men,have john james waiting with open arms,then they can sail off in the

sunset ,with a great storyline,gave it all up for love,the papers will love it aaaaaaaah

This was just what I was thinking - one day she is saying she is definitely not doing UBB then come Friday off she trots back in - it would have been pretty poor if Davina had asked her to go back in and she had said no - then what?

[Sunday]

fat ***** just didnt care once she had pocketed the cash good riddance to the thick twat

Is there any need for that???

[Sunday]

Oh, she wanted to win UBB - make no mistake about that, but the little green eyed monster came out again once John James' name was mentioned.

Dont they all want to win??? isnt that what its all about?? no point in being there if you dont.

[ElProximo]

lol and look what happens, SHE WALKS and goes straight to John James. Pretty **** gameplan if you ask me.

Any chance you were all wrong and that she werent actually a brainy, cunning, maniplative mastermind that would do anything to win?

I don't know if anyone was accusing her of being a brainy, cunning, manipulative mastermind etc,
but,
Nobody will accuse you of that either. You don't seem to understand that this actually would (or could) go to CONFIRM any ideas she is really quite the player who knows what moves best suit her.
Huh?

Look at it this way - IF her goal was simply to score as much cash and exploit the fame for cash then this IS the right move because she only needed to win BB and enter UBB and that is the maximum cash.
She doesn't get more for staying any longer.
She made the maximum actual money you can from BB.
OK.
But there is still one more plumb for Josie and that disappears the longer she is in UBB.
The showmance 'payoff'.
Everyone knows the time to cash in on that has been increasingly shorter and at this time you have about 3 weeks max.

In fact Josie was at a real disadvantage more than any other because not only was her 3 week 'window' going to go by,
but,
In fact it was only for the first day of UBB it was still about 'Josies story' and by Day 2 we were ALREADY getting another famous couple becoming the big drama.
IF she was just in this for cash and exploiting the fame then she absolutely did the very thing for it.
Get out immediately and quickly soak this John James thing while she was still the 'girl of the hour' and the story was still hot.

Even that is going to be a bit of a challenge because UBB is already pushing BB11.
As Josie cited - they are all big celebrities and I'm not.
Exactly.
She actually is but for about 5 more days. John James has about 3 left.

If you don't believe this just see how LITTLE interest their was even here when she walked out.
BBLB didn't even really blow it up into the sensation. It was oddly uninteresting in light of the new big dramas those UBB people are starting heh.

I'm not insisting she DID do this for the maximum cash/ least effort scheme,
but,
I'm just saying your OP got it wrong and that this is actually what she would do IF she was scheming the whole thing.

[Livia]

....Any chance you were all wrong and that she werent actually a brainy, cunning, maniplative mastermind that would do anything to win?

I would NEVER have accused Josie of being brainy, cunning, manipulative or any kind of mastermind.

[shaz20]

It would seem that all this arguing and bitterness at Josies win is done by a very small minority. She got a huge % of the vote, so most people disagreed with the fake, scheming, manipulative and all those other hateful names she was called. Being a sore loser isn't nice. The girl won, BB11 is over, end of.
By the way I am not a Josie fan, I didn't vote for her, nor anyone else for that matter, but the hate spilling out on this forum towards her, actually made me feel sorry for her. No one who is basically just a character on a game show deserves what she has got from this forum :nono:
So Josie's gone, chill, grab a drink and enjoy whats left of UBB and BB as we know it. :xyxwave:

[InOne]

Get a job stevep lol

[Angus]

It would seem that all this arguing and bitterness at Josies win is done by a very small minority. She got a huge % of the vote, so most people disagreed with the fake, scheming, manipulative and all those other hateful names she was called. Being a sore loser isn't nice. The girl won, BB11 is over, end of.
By the way I am not a Josie fan, I didn't vote for her, nor anyone else for that matter, but the hate spilling out on this forum towards her, actually made me feel sorry for her. No one who is basically just a character on a game show deserves what she has got from this forum :nono:
So Josie's gone, chill, grab a drink and enjoy whats left of UBB and BB as we know it. :xyxwave:


Josie only won by a landslide because BB had lovingly eliminated her competition by the vote to evict on the Friday. A final with Sam, Corin and John James in it would have seen a completely different outcome, and in fact it is entirely possible that Josie would have been evicted on the Friday if she had not had a free pass to the final.

So please don't pretend that she was the people's choice, she was simply the best of a very bad lot. It goes to show what a massive misjudgment BB made of her so called "bubbly, extrovert, fun personality" since it turned out she's really a rather plain, ordinary, boring, uninteresting person, which is why she couldn't hack it in UBB. She did something right for the public in 11 weeks, she LEFT.

[Shiner]

It would seem that all this arguing and bitterness at Josies win is done by a very small minority. She got a huge % of the vote, so most people disagreed with the fake, scheming, manipulative and all those other hateful names she was called. Being a sore loser isn't nice. The girl won, BB11 is over, end of.
By the way I am not a Josie fan, I didn't vote for her, nor anyone else for that matter, but the hate spilling out on this forum towards her, actually made me feel sorry for her. No one who is basically just a character on a game show deserves what she has got from this forum :nono:
So Josie's gone, chill, grab a drink and enjoy whats left of UBB and BB as we know it. :xyxwave:


You just don't get it. There is no % for Josie's popularity. In the entire of BB11 there was only one chance to vote for her and that was rigged. Do you seriously think she would have taken 77% if Sam and Corin were up too?

Oh and btw once you say "end of" you are supposed to stop. ;)

[jools]

It amazes me how people think they can know exactly what is in anoher persons mind,how they think,how they feel etc.It simply speculation.Sometimes we get it right,sometimes,(if we are big enough to admit it),we get it wrong.We all have our individual beliefs and opinions,which is a good thing,but to state your case as if it is indisputable fact,is,well arrogant.

[luminoussun]

never say the J word again on ubb forums or i'le put a hex on ya ass

[Shiner]

It amazes me how people think they can know exactly what is in anoher persons mind,how they think,how they feel etc.It simply speculation.Sometimes we get it right,sometimes,(if we are big enough to admit it),we get it wrong.We all have our individual beliefs and opinions,which is a good thing,but to state your case as if it is indisputable fact,is,well arrogant.

I realised something the other day. Have you read Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion? His book discusses our continual willingness to commit ourselves to religion in this modern age despite the total lack of any physical evidence whatsoever of an afterlife or the existence of a god. A good example of blind faith vs physical evidence is creationism, religious people have been told and believe that the Earth is a few thousand years old. This is despite the fact that science has conclusively proven that the world was formed about 4.5 billion years ago (this figure itself is evolving new levels of accuracy as new data is uncovered). The crazy thing is that over 50% of the US population are willing to believe the former, including their president.

Here's the BB relevant bit - In the "religion of Big Brother" you find people like Josie (there are others but we'll stick with her for just now) who evoke a strong response in some people (possibly more so when they are shown in a particular light by BB). Her band of "disciples" say they "love" her and that all she does is spread good, apart from when she has been wronged then she (and only she) is justified in her vengefulness to smite because it is "their own fault" and they must pay penance (Keeva?). Not holding such a strong value to facts (because they believe no one else does) they manipulate the evidence with a feeling of impunity to show that their god is the best god to follow - "Josie is the most popular HM because she took 77% of the vote".

On the opposite side of the coin you have the more (dare I say it) open minded people who learn and evolve a changing understanding of who the HMs are, based as best as possible on the evidence given and on how they observe them behaving within the context of acceptable social boundaries (how often did we hear "I used to be a big Josie fan until..."?). These people put faith in facts and are on the whole baffled by the opposing sides inability to accept facts or form new opinions based on changing evidence.

And this is where the trouble starts. Each side has their own perception of reality and most of the time they both feel that trying to communicate their version to the other is like bashing their head against a brick wall. How many times has it been said now that, the actual reason Josie took 77% of the vote was because all genuinely strong opposition had been removed prior to the vote due to the VTE decision? And yet not one Josite has gone "Oh yeah now you mention it....".

Also the Josites often felt a close personal connection with her too - hence their ability to project her feelings and thoughts with absolute authority. So when their "goddess" received a negative comment they responded directly against the "heretic" with personal insults in return, which they felt was entirely justified as they felt it was on a par with the personal comment made about their friend. (this is quite a handy thing to understand about forum dynamics)

An interesting Josite observation too was that if pressed as to why they liked Josie, the replies would be along the lines of "Well if you don't know now you never will" or " Because she is awesome" and other such answers that require no actual proof of validity but state that their beliefs are right. Whereas the Josites would often piously demand proof that she was any of these things she was being accused of in order to try and catch out her detractors "When did Josie ever bitch/manipulate/lie etc. about anyone? I've only ever seen her say nice things.". But no matter how many pieces of factual evidence offered to the Josites in the form of videos, transcripts or anecdotal evidence to back up the claims against their goddess they simply wouldn't accept what they were being told. To any reasonable person the law of averages would state that they would be right at least some of the time yet the Josites put blind faith and denial ahead of the provable truth.

There you have it, the God Delusion BB style. Blind faith vs physical evidence. Human nature.

:elephant: