Are Big Brother afraid they will upset LGBT crowds? AND Why I think Coolio left

[MassiveTruck]

I really get this impression.

Nadia may have said he was picking on him because he is a trans-sexual.

Why the hell did he leave? This is really odd.

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Nadia failed the psych test so I don't know how they let her into the house but this may be the reason why Coolio was removed because he demanded Coolio leave and the whole failing of the psych test by a post-op trans-sexual would have opened up a ginormous can of worms!

[Bluerang1]

No d'uh.

[_Seth]

They've already upset the crowds by not throwing Dave out. :mad:

[MassiveTruck]

They've already upset the crowds by not throwing Dave out. :mad:

Dave the man who used to lay down with the gay men of the house and give them hugs regularly?

You do realise the talk about gay marriages was all forum hyperbole?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

First of all Nadia has not left

Second of all Nadia is no longer a HE

[luminoussun]

nadia did'nt leave?

[Vicky.]

If he said something derogatory about her and her surgery, he should be thrown out.

Simple.

Discrimination in any form shouldn't be tolerated.

[dannyboy]

Please stop calling Nadia a 'he.' Now.

[_Seth]

^Those.

[Shaun]

Or are you using a walk from Big Brother as an excuse for your homophobic agenda? Hmm.

[MassiveTruck]

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[Jamietwo]

i'm not sure how or if coolio passed the psych test, he seemed completely mentally vacant most of the time in there.

[MassiveTruck]

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[daniel-lewis-1985]

Do you have evidence Nadia failed her phsyc test apart from the rumours on twitter and forums?

And yes SHES transexual this does not mean she has phsycosis blah blah blah so stop discriminating.

The way you talk about her sounds like she should be locked up in an institution

[MassiveTruck]

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[daniel-lewis-1985]

I personally think he and she should remain distinct from birth.

A state of Gender Dysphoria or Gender Identity Disorder should not be a platform to immediately change this and force this change upon the public - this is a political persuasiveness that I don't buy because a pair of new breasts and the removal of Genitalia for me - doesn't cut it.

I think this is a debate still open and still crucial about who we are and how we shouldn't be forced to accept something politically especially when the evidence is so loose and shaky to the point of visible non-existence.

Your very close minded. Unless you have experienced what its like to feel like you live in the wrong body then you cannot judge. To me coming out as gay was very hard to exept and i can only imagine how much harder it is for someone to realise they were born in the wrong body.

[ElProximo]

Are Big Brother afraid they will upset LGBT crowds? AND Why I think Nadia left Reply to Thread

And keep in mind they don't worry about the LGBT crowd so much because that is a relatively small number of people,
but,
yes, they probably do care about the 'everyone else' who supposes they will not tolerate anything short of approval for it.

'transgender' people are statistically insignificant but for some reason lesbians, gays and bisexuals form a group and include themselves with transsexuals?
Odd.

[MassiveTruck]

And keep in mind they don't worry about the LGBT crowd so much because that is a relatively small number of people,
but,
yes, they probably do care about the 'everyone else' who supposes they will not tolerate anything short of approval for it.

'transgender' people are statistically insignificant but for some reason lesbians, gays and bisexuals form a group and include themselves with transsexuals?
Odd.

I can't talk about this anymore because I got an infraction. :D

[daniel-lewis-1985]

And keep in mind they don't worry about the LGBT crowd so much because that is a relatively small number of people,
but,
yes, they probably do care about the 'everyone else' who supposes they will not tolerate anything short of approval for it.

'transgender' people are statistically insignificant but for some reason lesbians, gays and bisexuals form a group and include themselves with transsexuals?
Odd.

We associate ourselves because we all have something in common-Being different from the norm.

[ElProximo]

I can't talk about this anymore because I got an infraction. :D

I don't know why?
You asked a perfectly valid question on topic and relevant.

[Zippy]

Whats so difficult to understand? He deliberately targetted her as part of his trouble causing tactics. She made it clear she wasnt gonna be bullied in there. So BB had to choose one or the other.

So they kicked out the bully. Simples. Seems they both got what they wanted. Assuming he still got paid his full fee.

[MassiveTruck]

Whats so difficult to understand? He deliberately targetted her as part of his trouble causing tactics. She made it clear she wasnt gonna be bullied in there. So BB had to choose one or the other.

So they kicked out the bully. Simples. Seems they both got what they wanted. Assuming he still got paid his full fee.

So you don't think her behaviour is bizarre, irrational at all?

I mean... how many people have you know react like that to something like that before?

He hid her shoe...

[Conzors]

Nadia is a female now. So could you please stop calling her a he.

Its like calling a married women by her maiden name.

x

[MassiveTruck]

Nadia is a female now. So could you please stop calling her a he.

Its like calling a married women by her maiden name.

x

I don't agree at all with your analogy but to go with forum guidelines I will call Nadia a she and her but I don't agree with it.

I don't appreciate somebody forcing political persuasions on me. I wouldn't force them on somebody else so don't give me this form of reverse-fascism.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I don't agree at all with your metaphor but to go with forum guidelines I will call Nadia a she and her but I don't agree with it.

Are you from biblical times?

[MassiveTruck]

Are you from biblical times?

No

I'm a well educated, published and well respected academic in this field who has worked with numerous small groups and sub-cultures?

Why? Do you think people who don't pander to political influences and commercial pressures are from biblical times?

[flamingGalah!]

I don't agree at all with your analogy but to go with forum guidelines I will call Nadia a she and her but I don't agree with it.

I don't appreciate somebody forcing political persuasions on me. I wouldn't force them on somebody else so don't give me this form of reverse-fascism.

It shocks me that there are such discriminatory & ignorant people about in 2010... wow...

[flamingGalah!]

No

I'm a well educated, published and well respected academic in this field who has worked with numerous small groups and sub-cultures?

Why? Do you think people who don't pander to political influences and commercial pressures are from biblical times?

:laugh2:

[MassiveTruck]

It shocks me that there are such discriminatory & ignorant people about in 2010... wow...

There is a difference between discrimination and debate.

Everything is open to debate. I never said somebody was not my equal so where is the discrimination?

[MassiveTruck]

:laugh2:

Difficult to accept what TV teaches you isn't the truth?

[Raph]

If he said something derogatory about her and her surgery, he should be thrown out.

Simple.

Discrimination in any form shouldn't be tolerated.

:thumbs:

[flamingGalah!]

Difficult to accept what TV teaches you isn't the truth?

No just difficult to accept what you wrote is the truth... :xyxwave:

[MassiveTruck]

No just difficult to accept what you wrote is the truth... :xyxwave:

So you don't want to debate but just mock people?


You'd rather feel it's appropriate to insult somebody rather than open discussion on something?

The topic is very clear. There have been some clearly on topic and useful contributions.

This is clearly an obvious factor consider ofCom, housemate health and welfare and the situation with "nadia" that we have.



You talk about discrimination so how different are you, with your behaviour in this thread from the people you say are in the wrong? Pointing fingers of discrimination appears to open up personal need and right to look down at people willy nilly.

Somewhat reverse.

[flamingGalah!]

So you don't want to debate but just mock people?


You'd rather feel it's appropriate to insult somebody rather than open discussion on something?

The topic is very clear. There have been some clearly on topic and useful contributions.

This is clearly an obvious factor consider ofCom, housemate health and welfare and the situation with "nadia" that we have.



You talk about discrimination so how different are you, with your behaviour in this thread from the people you say are in the wrong? Pointing fingers of discrimination appears to open up personal need and right to look down at people willy nilly.

Somewhat reverse.

That is all you were doing...

Please go & publish something, I'm getting bored now... :sleep:

[MassiveTruck]

That is all you were doing...

Please go & publish something, I'm getting bored now... :sleep:

OK

I'll be civil.

Quite simply I question this area a lot, not because of the "trans-sexuality" but because of nuances, differences, distinct differences that arise in an economy, culture or society and what creates them.

That's all it is. It's not homophobic. It's not archaic. It's not different. It's seeing why society, individuals are driven by change and what are those distinct factors that create that change.

...

The thread is questioning whether Protest groups have an influence in decisions within and outside the house.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

No

I'm a well educated, published and well respected academic in this field who has worked with numerous small groups and sub-cultures?

Why? Do you think people who don't pander to political influences and commercial pressures are from biblical times?

Not at all i just feel that your beliefs are very dated

It's 2010 why don't you evolve and learn to accept that not everyone is the same as you and other people's life choices have nothing to do with you

[MassiveTruck]

Not at all i just feel that your beliefs are very dated

It's 2010 why don't you evolve and learn to accept that not everyone is the same as you and other people's life choices have nothing to do with you

It's not all that simple.

I think the belief that everything is cool and fine isn't even a modernist approach. It's Victorian.

The belief that everything can be questioned and everything can be enquired is a modern 2010, 21st century belief structure.

[housemate]

They've already upset the crowds by not throwing Dave out. :mad:

Lol .. true!

[daniel-lewis-1985]

It's not all that simple.

I think the belief that everything is cool and fine isn't even a modernist approach. It's Victorian.

The belief that everything can be questioned and everything can be enquired is a modern 2010, 21st century belief structure.

Im getting quite bored of you trying to prove your immoral views right now.

And again i would like to say that NADIA did not leave so you may want to change this big failure of a thread

[MassiveTruck]

Im getting quite bored of you trying to prove your immoral views right now.

And again i would like to say that NADIA did not leave so you may want to change this big failure of a thread

I think you need to look up the definition of the word bored, immoral and failure.

[PaulyJ]

I Can't quite see where you have gone wrong here MassiveTruck, maybe people reading between your lines.

Your right though debate is not on most people's agender anymore. More like, i have lived for 20 years and i know it all, and what you said was homophobic RIGHt!!

I'd personally refer to her as a she, because i believe in the possibility of a female brain, finding its way into a Male body.

[Gillian-73]

If he said something derogatory about her and her surgery, he should be thrown out.

Simple.

Discrimination in any form shouldn't be tolerated.

i totally agree! As for alot of you calling her a 'he' very immature i must say! I do hope its children who know no better yet and not adults!

[CaudleHalbard]

I have always been highly dubious about the "born in the wrong body" thing.

I think it is a purely psychological issue tied in with being gay and, in addition, (possibly) a tendency towards transvestitism.

Many people are born into bodies they wish were different - those born disabled for instance. But generally they learn to get on with life and live with it. Wanting to go as far as mutilating your body for no (physical) medical reason is something which suggests a serious psychotic condition! So we should not expect Nadia to be an entirely normal woman.

Nadia will NEVER be fully accepted as a woman by everyone and that is something new she will have to learn to live with since her op. I hope she feels it was all worth it.

[MassiveTruck]

Many people are born into bodies they wish were different - those born disabled for instance. But generally they learn to get on with life and live with it. Wanting to go as far as mutilating your body for no (physical) medical reason is something which suggests a serious psychotic condition! So we should not expect Nadia to be an entirely normal woman.



When this was being passed through the Lords it's what one of the members said, that it was a form of mutilation and most of the Lords agreed upon this as did many members of parliament.

Unfortunately Robert Winston was on a roll at the time with TV shows on the BBC, DVDs and Books and didn't want to tarnish his position as Lord - he spoke against it, protest groups used him as their focal point and this led it into the European court.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Noone is fit to judge anyone elses life choices unless they have been in their shoes so just give it a rest because this "debate" is just going round in circles

[CaudleHalbard]

Noone is fit to judge anyone elses life choices unless they have been in their shoes so just give it a rest because this "debate" is just going round in circles

We make judgements about others' life choices all the time! We don't have to be in a wife-beaters shoes to decide wife-beating ain't a good thing!

I just hope Nadia paid for her own "gender reassignment" and didn't come here from Portugal so that UK taxpayers (e.g. me!) would fund what is, from a medical point of view, a totally unnecessary operation - followed by a lifelong course of hormone therapy.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

We make judgements about others' life choices all the time! We don't have to be in a wife-beaters shoes to decide wife-beating ain't a good thing!

I just hope Nadia paid for her own "gender reassignment" and didn't come here from Portugal so that UK taxpayers (e.g. me!) would fund what is, from a medical point of view, a totally unnecessary operation - followed by a lifelong course of hormone therapy.

Bull**** this is completly different lol

Everyone knows beating a woman is out of order but you cannot comment on a person needing to have gender realignment surgery because you dont know how hard it is for them.

Your being rediculous

[daniel-lewis-1985]

We make judgements about others' life choices all the time! We don't have to be in a wife-beaters shoes to decide wife-beating ain't a good thing!

I just hope Nadia paid for her own "gender reassignment" and didn't come here from Portugal so that UK taxpayers (e.g. me!) would fund what is, from a medical point of view, a totally unnecessary operation - followed by a lifelong course of hormone therapy.

Bull**** this is completly different lol

Everyone knows beating a woman is out of order but you cannot comment on a person needing to have gender realignment surgery because you dont know how hard it is for them.

Your being rediculous

[Vicky.]

I just hope Nadia paid for her own "gender reassignment" and didn't come here from Portugal so that UK taxpayers (e.g. me!) would fund what is, from a medical point of view, a totally unnecessary operation - followed by a lifelong course of hormone therapy.

Tax payers fund all sorts of unnecessary surgery.

Such as boob jobs and gastric bands.

I dont really see the difference.

[CaudleHalbard]

I will just quote Paul McHugh, Professor of Psychiatry, and one of the world's experts, on the subject of gender reassignment surgery/therapy:

"To perform physical gender reassignment is to co-operate with a mental illness rather than try to cure it."

Let us leave it there. Goodnight! :)

[BB_Eye]

No, they're worried they will upset the viewers that are not transphobic.

Seriously though, all you're doing is speculating. This might aswell have ******* all to do with Nadia's sex change for all we know. Ever considered that?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I will just quote Paul McHugh, Professor of Psychiatry, and one of the world's experts, on the subject of gender reassignment surgery/therapy:

"To perform physical gender reassignment is to co-operate with a mental illness rather than try to cure it."

Let us leave it there. Goodnight! :)

Thats like trying to cure someone of being gay lol

Another ludicrous comment

[Jamietwo]

I will just quote Paul McHugh, Professor of Psychiatry, and one of the world's experts, on the subject of gender reassignment surgery/therapy:

"To perform physical gender reassignment is to co-operate with a mental illness rather than try to cure it."

Let us leave it there. Goodnight! :)

anyone who is efficient with google will know you can find nearly any argument backed up by research or some "professor" or other... apparently paul Mchugh is a 79 year old practicing catholic from america ... so i'm going to judge him now, he is an elderly man who believes in a supernatural being who created the world and who now communicates through the pope, and he is an american academic (rolls eyes). can you guys find anyone to back your arguments up who is not elderly hereditary peers or wacko religious academics?

[Vicky.]

Thats like trying to cure someone of being gay lol

Another ludicrous comment

Some people believe thats possible too :rolleyes:

[Grimnir]

I watch a lot of pron

favourite being 2 hot lesbians together :thumbs:

when I see a woman sucking a man I get turned on, even though I am watching a man's **** being sucked

but when I see another man sucking another man it doesn't turn me on, it seems weird - does this make me homophobic?

and then we come to ******/she-male porn, this is the confusing part

when a she male sucks a man and she looks like a woman I get turned on, even though I know it is 2 men :conf:

but when the she-male removes the knickers I get turned off again

so overall

turn on

man with woman
woman with woman
man with she-male from waist up :joker:

turn off

man with man
man with she-male from waist down

am i homophobe? am i ******phobe? do I watch too much pron? :blush:

[BB_Eye]

I watch a lot of pron

favourite being 2 hot lesbians together :thumbs:

when I see a woman sucking a man I get turned on, even though I am watching a man's **** being sucked

but when I see another man sucking another man it doesn't turn me on, it seems weird - does this make me homophobic?

and then we come to ******/she-male porn, this is the confusing part

when a she male sucks a man and she looks like a woman I get turned on, even though I know it is 2 men :conf:

but when the she-male removes the knickers I get turned off again

so overall

turn on

man with woman
woman with woman
man with she-male from waist up :joker:

turn off

man with man
man with she-male from waist down

am i homophobe? am i ******phobe? do I watch too much pron? :blush:
Post of the week :joker:

[ElProximo]

We associate ourselves because we all have something in common-Being different from the norm.

Sure, then why exclude so many other groups that are different from the norm? I was reading about a type of sexuality with shoes. Yes, I said shoes. In many cases they find that these 'shoe-sexuals' are not just infatuated with shoe sex but must have shoes involved or they cannot even become aroused. The idea of sex without shoes is unappealing to them.
OK.
But it's not the SLGBT community is it?

People can do what they want but I just think its an unusual mix of just these hand-picked sexual deviations. Lesbians don't have anything to do with gay men.
One could argue that lesbians are much more aligned, related and 'closer to' heterosexual men.
Here I'm just pointing to the unusual alignment in this 'lgbt' thing.

I'm not bothered by it but I have always thought it was a peculiar idea and seems mostly imaginary anyways.

[Supermum]

Sorry but Nadia will always be a HE on his birth certificate, mwahahahahahahahaha

[Bigbrofan25]

I really get this impression.

Nadia may have said he was picking on him because he is a trans-sexual.

Why the hell did he leave? This is really odd.

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Nadia failed the psych test so I don't know how they let her into the house but this may be the reason why Coolio was removed because he demanded Coolio leave and the whole failing of the psych test by a post-op trans-sexual would have opened up a ginormous can of worms!



What you have just said is also offensive because Nadia is LEGALLY classed as WOMAN and not a MAN!!

[Bigbrofan25]

Sorry but Nadia will always be a HE on his birth certificate, mwahahahahahahahaha

The law has changed since duh brain or didn`t you know

[Bigbrofan25]

OK

I'll be civil.

Quite simply I question this area a lot, not because of the "trans-sexuality" but because of nuances, differences, distinct differences that arise in an economy, culture or society and what creates them.

That's all it is. It's not homophobic. It's not archaic. It's not different. It's seeing why society, individuals are driven by change and what are those distinct factors that create that change.

...

The thread is questioning whether Protest groups have an influence in decisions within and outside the house.

You are conservative and old fashioned just get with the modern times and don`t forget you may have the right to free speech within reason but we also have the right not to listen to you biased views

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Sure, then why exclude so many other groups that are different from the norm? I was reading about a type of sexuality with shoes. Yes, I said shoes. In many cases they find that these 'shoe-sexuals' are not just infatuated with shoe sex but must have shoes involved or they cannot even become aroused. The idea of sex without shoes is unappealing to them.
OK.
But it's not the SLGBT community is it?

People can do what they want but I just think its an unusual mix of just these hand-picked sexual deviations. Lesbians don't have anything to do with gay men.
One could argue that lesbians are much more aligned, related and 'closer to' heterosexual men.
Here I'm just pointing to the unusual alignment in this 'lgbt' thing.

I'm not bothered by it but I have always thought it was a peculiar idea and seems mostly imaginary anyways.

Gay men and lesbians both have being attracted to the someone of the same sex in common.

So there you go THEY ARE RELATED

Stop acting like a ****** man

[Grimnir]

Gay men and lesbians both have being attracted to the someone of the same sex in common.

So there you go THEY ARE RELATED

Stop acting like a ****** man


that begs the question....

how about an incestuous couple?

how would a brother and sister couple fit into this discussion/debate or brother/brother, sister/sister

[Bigbrofan25]

Gay men and lesbians both have being attracted to the someone of the same sex in common.

So there you go THEY ARE RELATED

Stop acting like a ****** man

yes totally agree some people on this forum have no idea what they are on about:sleep:

[daniel-lewis-1985]

that begs the question....

how about an incestuous couple?

how would a brother and sister couple fit into this discussion/debate or brother/brother, sister/sister

Incest is illegal. Argument quashed :)

[Bigbrofan25]

that begs the question....

how about an incestuous couple?

how would a brother and sister couple fit into this discussion/debate or brother/brother, sister/sister

what has incest got to do with LGBT rights?

Incest is a criminal offence LGBT isn`t

Attraction to family members is on a similar level but its not quite the same however those who are attracted to their family members are treated as sick for something which they cannot help

Incest maybe strange to some people but what people do in their private lives which isn`t hurting anyone else is up to them and has nothing to do with anyone else

[ElProximo]

Gay men and lesbians both have being attracted to the someone of the same sex in common.

So there you go THEY ARE RELATED

Stop acting like a ****** man

Sure but they are attracted to the 'opposite gender' of the other.
If you're going to argue an alignment this way then:
Gay men attracted to: Men.
Heterosexual women: Men.
X-many Transsexuals: Men.

[Grimnir]

Incest is illegal. Argument quashed :)

I wasn't arguing, I just asked a question to see what people's opinions would be

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Sure but they are attracted to the 'opposite gender' of the other.
If you're going to argue an alignment this way then:
Gay men attracted to: Men.
Heterosexual women: Men.
X-many Transsexuals: Men.

Pfft this is getting boring.

On a complete seperate ei would just like to say that your signature makes me feel quite embaressed.

"Nick batemans revenge!" hahaha

Have you seen him in the house?

[Bigbrofan25]

I wasn't arguing, I just asked a question to see what people's opinions would be

So whats your opinions on this issue of incest I have already stated mine

[jaq7uk]

i have one question,do we know why coolio left, or was he persuaded to go coz of nadia?

[Grimnir]

So whats your opinions on this issue of incest I have already stated mine

well 2 hot sisters = WIN :hugesmile:

on serious note

I don't understand the logic of how a man and woman who are brother and sister having a relationship is deemed socially unacceptable yet a relationship between 2 men is deemed socially acceptable

surely both are unacceptable or both are acceptable

and on a funny note

imagine if in 30 years time we see bro&sis pride marches :joker:

[Bigbrofan25]

well 2 hot sisters = WIN :hugesmile:

on serious note

I don't understand the logic of how a man and woman who are brother and sister having a relationship is deemed socially unacceptable yet a relationship between 2 men is deemed socially acceptable

surely both are unacceptable or both are acceptable

and on a funny note

imagine if in 30 years time we see bro&sis pride marches :joker:

You do have a very valid point there I gotta say:joker:

[ElProximo]

Pfft this is getting boring.

On a complete seperate ei would just like to say that your signature makes me feel quite embaressed.

"Nick batemans revenge!" hahaha

Have you seen him in the house?


It's not so boring but I'm not that interested in creating identities and communities and political organizations over sexual fetishes.

Yeah, did you notice Nick hasn't been evicted and is not up for nomination?
3 down. Nick remains.
Will that carry on? Don't know yet but so far so good!

(Your signature pic seems to feature heterosexual heroine Marylin Monroe. Have you seen her lately? She's dead ugly)

[daniel-lewis-1985]

It's not so boring but I'm not that interested in creating identities and communities and political organizations over sexual fetishes.

Yeah, did you notice Nick hasn't been evicted and is not up for nomination?
3 down. Nick remains.
Will that carry on? Don't know yet but so far so good!

(Your signature pic seems to feature heterosexual heroine Marylin Monroe. Have you seen her lately? She's dead ugly)

Yup but her corpse probably still looks better then your sweaty crack and backnea lol

[daniel-lewis-1985]

well 2 hot sisters = WIN :hugesmile:

on serious note

I don't understand the logic of how a man and woman who are brother and sister having a relationship is deemed socially unacceptable yet a relationship between 2 men is deemed socially acceptable

surely both are unacceptable or both are acceptable

and on a funny note

imagine if in 30 years time we see bro&sis pride marches :joker:

I think its more to do with the risk of siblings bringing children into the world with the high risk of blindness, deafness and brain damage

[ElProximo]

Yup but her corpse probably still looks better then your sweaty crack and backnea lol

You're in no position to judge that but even if you were it's hard to take that complaint seriously when you find sweaty cracks of men attractive enough to build your identity around it.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

You're in no position to judge that but even if you were it's hard to take that complaint seriously when you find sweaty cracks of men attractive enough to build your identity around it.

Totally.

[Grimnir]

I think its more to do with the risk of siblings bringing children into the world with the high risk of blindness, deafness and brain damage

ya much like the royal family :hugesmile:, the queen and prince philip are second cousins, as were there parents and grandparents, they all related somehow

I sometimes think the Queen, Philip and Charles seem a bit more slow in the head than other people :joker:

but having a relationship and starting a family are 2 separate issues, we live in world of contraception and adoption

[flamingGalah!]

It's not so boring but I'm not that interested in creating identities and communities and political organizations over sexual fetishes.
Yeah, did you notice Nick hasn't been evicted and is not up for nomination?
3 down. Nick remains.
Will that carry on? Don't know yet but so far so good!

(Your signature pic seems to feature heterosexual heroine Marylin Monroe. Have you seen her lately? She's dead ugly)

If you think that being gay is simply a "sexual fetish" then I really really pity you for your complete ignorance...

Some people really need to get out more.

[flamingGalah!]

You're in no position to judge that but even if you were it's hard to take that complaint seriously when you find sweaty cracks of men attractive enough to build your identity around it.

I don't think anyone male or female would find your sweaty crack attractive, judging by your personality... :xyxwave:

[BBfan46]

LGBT's the wrong grouping IMO. It makes people think that Gays and Lesbians are actually a different gender trapped in the others body when they are not.

[morris09]

There was a study carried out that most post-op transexuals regret their decision to have bits removed/extended. Maybe this is why Nadia is so angry.

[flamingGalah!]

There was a study carried out that most post-op transexuals regret their decision to have bits removed/extended. Maybe this is why Nadia is so angry.

"Most" ?? lol

I very much doubt Nadia regrets it...

[ElProximo]

If you think that being gay is simply a "sexual fetish" then I really really pity you for your complete ignorance...

Some people really need to get out more.

I don't become 'ignorant' just because you label me as such. You don't get to 'inform' anyone because you just declared yourself to know something.

and now let me explain something to you - sexual fetishes are not 'simple'.
See. you learned something.

[MassiveTruck]

Still no reason why Coolio left.

All vague and strange still!

Maybe something will come to light tonight...

[MassiveTruck]

There was a study carried out that most post-op transexuals regret their decision to have bits removed/extended. Maybe this is why Nadia is so angry.

Yeah they think it's the institutionalisation of the Gender Dysphoric system. When they are going through the change of wearing women's clothes etc they are in the system and getting a whole heap of attention from not only the NHS but from other groups too.

When all that disappears the cold light of day and the missing genitalia becomes all too apparent.

[flamingGalah!]

I don't become 'ignorant' just because you label me as such. You don't get to 'inform' anyone because you just declared yourself to know something.

and now let me explain something to you - sexual fetishes are not 'simple'.
See. you learned something.

Yes you ARE ignorant because you have extremely false & discriminatory views on homosexuals...

Let me explain something to YOU... Two people who love each other no matter what sex they are deserve the same treatment & respect as EVERYONE else... Are a heterosexual couple together just for 'sexual fetishes'? The answer is no...

See YOU learned something...

Please don't try & dictate to others or try to "inform" them with your very wrong & dated views...

:xyxwave:

[MassiveTruck]

Yes you ARE ignorant because you have extremely false & discriminatory views on homosexuals...

Let me explain something to YOU... Two people who love each other no matter what sex they are deserve the same treatment & respect as EVERYONE else... Are a heterosexual couple together just for 'sexual fetishes'? The answer is no...

See YOU learned something...

Please don't try & dictate to others or try to "inform" them with your very wrong & dated views...

:xyxwave:

Nobody is disputing what you are saying. I can't understand why it's difficult to see the debate here and it always goes back to "you're wrong, you're homophobic..." etc etc.

Personally, I think that is the dated perspective here that if somebody questions something and is inquisitive, it is difficult for some to see beyond the fashion of charity.

People are enquiring and debating the culture and homosexuality - not the needs.

[flamingGalah!]

Nobody is disputing what you are saying. I can't understand why it's difficult to see the debate here and it always goes back to "you're wrong, you're homophobic..." etc etc.

Personally, I think that is the dated perspective here that if somebody questions something and is inquisitive, it is difficult for some to see beyond the fashion of charity.

People are enquiring and debating the culture and homosexuality - not the needs.

Because the person I was actually replying to IS homophobic... I have seen plenty of evidence of this over the last couple of months & they have had posts removed for things they have written in the past...

There shouldn't really be ANY debate though should there? If people think homosexuality is 'wrong' then that IS homophobic...

End of debate.

[MassiveTruck]

Because the person I was actually replying to IS homophobic... I have seen plenty of evidence of this over the last couple of months & they have had posts removed for things they have written in the past...

There shouldn't really be ANY debate though should there? If people think homosexuality is 'wrong' then that IS homophobic...

End of debate.

But there isn't talk about it being wrong.

[Zippy]

LMAO @ the ignorance on this thread. Amazing how some appoint themselves experts on sexuality and transgender issues when they clearly don't have the first effing clue about the subjects!

Seriously, just be quiet. Your ignorance is laughable.

[Biggiesis]

I feel sorry for people like Nadia. I truly believe they can't help it and I believe it's correct that they can be surgically assisted to live in the gender they wish to be but at the end of the day whatever transormations are performed they, their internal organs and chrosomomes are not changed by surgery. She may look like a woman ( which is debatable), talk like a woman and walk like a woman but she'll never be a real woman.

[MassiveTruck]

LMAO @ the ignorance on this thread. Amazing how some appoint themselves experts on sexuality and transgender issues when they clearly don't have the first effing clue about the subjects!

Seriously, just be quiet. Your ignorance is laughable.

Only in your mind.

I think the first post speaks volumes and is probably the reason why Coolio was removed.

[Showstopper]

The double standards on this forum are unbelievable. People have been abusing all housemates for the last few months ranging from their weight, physical appearance, personalities, morality etc, then someone refers to Nadia as a "He" and half the forum lose the plot

[ElProximo]

Because the person I was actually replying to IS homophobic... I have seen plenty of evidence of this over the last couple of months & they have had posts removed for things they have written in the past...

They are not homophobic but rather than actually deal with the questions, comments, opinions and different cultural viewpoints you would rather just 'declare me pathological' so you can just dismiss anything that doesn't agree with your opinions.




There shouldn't really be ANY debate though should there? If people think homosexuality is 'wrong' then that IS homophobic...

End of debate.


And there you have it. That says it all. You DEMAND that your minority beliefs rule the planet and END OF DEBATE.

Well too bad. Sucks for you. In fact there is growing debate that this new view of yours really IS correct or should have been taking seriously in the first place.
but,
MORE the point here is that a lot of people dislike your belief that there 'is no debate'.

Now you sure liked it when YOU were allowed to debate your belief in the 'normality' of this homosexuality.

Let's see if you like this:

Homosexuality is not normal and anyone who thinks otherwise is a pervert. END OF DEBATE.
NO MORE DISCUSSION. PERIOD!

How about that?

[Showstopper]

There shouldn't really be ANY debate though should there? If people think homosexuality is 'wrong' then that IS homophobic...

End of debate.

Nonsense, complete and utter rubish.

A homophobic is somebody that is prejudiced against homosexual people. Not believing something is right does not mean your prejudiced

[CaudleHalbard]

A homophobic is somebody that is prejudiced against homosexual people. Not believing something is right does not mean your prejudiced

That would be the Dave Vaughan argument then! :joker:

[Julie10]

I can't talk about this anymore because I got an infraction. :D



:laugh: I thought you was saying deleted instead of no comment.

[M X]

Nadia is a woman. Not a man. So stop calling her 'he'.

[CaudleHalbard]

If nothing else it becomes confusing calling Nadia "he".

In the real world (as opposed to the safety of the internet) it could even be illegal - e.g. in the workplace.

[Showstopper]

That would be the Dave Vaughan argument then! :joker:


No, that would be the argument of the oxford english dictionary in terms of the definition of a homophobic

[Showstopper]

If nothing else it becomes confusing calling Nadia "he".

In the real world (as opposed to the safety of the internet) it could even be illegal - e.g. in the workplace.

Much like calling someone a fat whale

[ElProximo]

That would be the Dave Vaughan argument then! :joker:

Nah, its called the 'common sense' argument. :wavey:

[Chuckyegg]

How do we know that Nadia failed the test?
Did we perhaps read it in the Daily Star?

Whats wrong with being concernad about upsetting LGBT?
Do you perhaps think that equality is political correctness gone mad?

[Showstopper]

How do we know that Nadia failed the test?
Did we perhaps read it in the Daily Star?

Whats wrong with being concernad about upsetting LGBT?
Do you perhaps think that equality is political correctness gone mad?

Lets not lose the run of herself here, he hid her shoes, not the crime of the centuary

[CaudleHalbard]

he hid her shoes, not the crime of the centuary


Yes, but we don't know that's ALL Coolio did/said. His convo in the DR with BB suggests there was much more,

[Chuckyegg]

Lets not lose the run of herself here, he hid her shoes, not the crime of the centuary

I think it was a bit more than that.

[Showstopper]

Yes, but we don't know that's ALL Coolio did/said. His convo in the DR with BB suggests there was much more,

ah right - so he's presumed guilty and homophobic

[stonedape]

Nonsense, complete and utter rubish.

A homophobic is somebody that is prejudiced against homosexual people. Not believing something is right does not mean your prejudiced

Yes, it does. Prejudice is prejudgement. If you've prejudged homosexuality to be ethically wrong, you haven't thought about homosexuality and/or ethics long enough.

[ElProximo]

Yes, it does. Prejudice is prejudgement. If you've prejudged homosexuality to be ethically wrong, you haven't thought about homosexuality and/or ethics long enough.

If you think homosexuality is right then you haven't thought about homosexuality or ethnics long enough.
You are being 'pre-judice'.

[CaudleHalbard]

Homosexuality/bisexuality is a the condition of anything up to 10% of the population. It is not as if it is one in a million, and is thus not some sort of aberration.

There is no point in thinking it is "wrong". It just exists - in the same way as being black or white or brown or yellow.

You can either cope with it or you can't. Saying you think it's "wrong" merely demonstrates: you can't cope with it. Your problem and nobody else's I'm afraid. ;)

[stonedape]

If you think homosexuality is right then you haven't thought about homosexuality or ethnics long enough.
You are being 'pre-judice'.

The difference is I can back up my claims, and you can't. Ethics come down to harm...and gay and lesbian sex/relationships, as long as lubrication is involved, causes no harm to anything, living or not. I've already debunked your claims it correlates to depression. Plug on plug or socket on socket may gross you out, but it's as ethically neutral as plug on socket. If anything, it's ethically good because sex (tends to) spread happiness.

If you're so blurry on this issue, it makes me worry what other ethical issues you might be blurry on. Murder = wrong, theft = wrong, putting a penis in a consenting crack = not wrong.

[Beastie]

I didn't care about Coolio anyway.

[Showstopper]

Yes, it does. Prejudice is prejudgement. If you've prejudged homosexuality to be ethically wrong, you haven't thought about homosexuality and/or ethics long enough.

Rubbish. There is a difference between pre-judging an act or practice and pre-judging a person

[Showstopper]

You can either cope with it or you can't. Saying you think it's "wrong" merely demonstrates: you can't cope with it. Your problem and nobody else's I'm afraid. ;)

More nonsense - whats right for one person is wrong for another. Its a subjective thing and everyone is entitled to their own beliefs providing they do not effect those around them