Sex Changes On The NHS [Archive] - ThisisBigBrother.com

Jack_

31-08-2010, 03:13 PM

Right. I've got nothing against transexuals, I really couldn't care less.

But you're born the way you are - if you want to change anything about yourself you should have to pay for it [similar to the way people pay for clothes].

The only exception should be if it's life threatening.

Vicky.

31-08-2010, 03:14 PM

I do not see the problem with it, if people think it is acceptable to pay for boob jobs and gastric bands on the NHS.

Lewis.

31-08-2010, 03:17 PM

There are a lot of sides to this argument that people don't think about before coming to a conclusion. I've heard a lot of stories about men who can't afford it and end up cutting and sewing things to their body, which is a big risk to their general health. For me it depends on the situation.

foxysarah92

31-08-2010, 03:20 PM

yes but then shouldnt i be aloud laser treatment to get rid of my freckles on the nhs if they give out free sex changes

Vicky.

31-08-2010, 03:21 PM

yes but then shouldnt i be aloud laser treatment to get rid of my freckles on the nhs if they give out free sex changes

How on earth do you figure that?

Getting rid of freckles is purely cosmetic.

M X

31-08-2010, 03:23 PM

I do not see the problem with it, if people think it is acceptable to pay for boob jobs and gastric bands on the NHS.

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Niamh.

31-08-2010, 03:23 PM

yes but then shouldnt i be aloud laser treatment to get rid of my freckles on the nhs if they give out free sex changes

If you think that getting rid of your freckles is the same as someone getting a sex change you obviously have no understanding of what transgender is.

foxysarah92

31-08-2010, 03:24 PM

If you think that getting rid of your freckles is the same as someone getting a sex change you obviously have no understanding of what transgender is.

I do i had a friend who was going to get a sex change
But being born with freckles can be quite emotional and you can't get rid of them easily trust i tried so technically cause it is emotionally damaging you should be aloud it on the nhs

Niamh.

31-08-2010, 03:31 PM

I do i had a friend who was going to get a sex change
But being born with freckles can be quite emotional and you can't get rid of them easily trust i tried so technically cause it is emotionally damaging you should be aloud it on the nhs

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, I have freckles as well and have never felt emotionally damaged because of them and yes it is cosmetic, you could apply that logic to anything like having a big nose etc. it's still not the same thing.

Vicky.

31-08-2010, 03:34 PM

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, I have freckles as well and have never felt emotionally damaged because of them and yes it is cosmetic, you could apply that logic to anything like having a big nose etc. it's still not the same thing.

Plus freckles could easily be covered with makeup, I assume anyway. Even if you had to get that special makeup for birthmarks.

I can't believe someone is trying to compare having freckles to being born in the wrong body and having years of psychological torment over it. Seriously.

Lee.

31-08-2010, 03:34 PM

Because of some cruel genetic mistake, these people NEED to have this sort of operation to become the person they know they are.I think having to live in a body you don't feel is right is a bit more emotionally damaging than having freckles..

foxysarah92

31-08-2010, 03:36 PM

Yeah but i dont think we should have to pay for it on the nhs because that means that my parents are having to pay for it and different things can affect different in different emotinal states

Niamh.

31-08-2010, 03:38 PM

Yeah but i dont think we should have to pay for it on the nhs because that means that my parents are having to pay for it and different things can affect different in different emotinal states

they are contributing like everyone else including to the person who gets the operation and on the flip side the person who gets the operation is paying for anything that your parents get on the NHS

M X

31-08-2010, 03:39 PM

I do i had a friend who was going to get a sex change
But being born with freckles can be quite emotional and you can't get rid of them easily trust i tried so technically cause it is emotionally damaging you should be aloud it on the nhs

a transgendered person is someone who is born female but in a males body and vice versa. you're not born an unfreckled person in an freckled body.

Sunday

31-08-2010, 03:39 PM

No definately not, its cosmetic.
Gastric bands should not be paid for by the NHs either, go to Slimming world or weight watchers, dont be lazy. My friend lost 12 stone on WW.

foxysarah92

31-08-2010, 03:41 PM

Sorry what if the person is on benefits then they aren't paying anything towards there sex change

Niamh.

31-08-2010, 03:42 PM

No definately not, its cosmetic.
Gastric bands should not be paid for by the NHs either, go to Slimming world or weight watchers, dont be lazy. My friend lost 12 stone on WW.

there is no diet that can change your sex though! And it's not cosmetic it's psychological

Vicky.

31-08-2010, 03:42 PM

Yeah but i dont think we should have to pay for it on the nhs because that means that my parents are having to pay for it and different things can affect different in different emotinal states

Oh, I love it when people moan on about stuff like this when they dont actually pay tax themselves.

So your parents have a problem with this?

If they do, do they also have a problem with the NHS providing boob jobs/gastric bands/reconstructive surgery?

As for your 'different things can affect different in different emotinal states' yes that is very true. However I fail to see how someone trapped in the wrong body, is on the same level as someone who doesn't like having freckles.

Niamh.

31-08-2010, 03:43 PM

Sorry what if the person is on benefits then they aren't paying anything towards there sex change

and what about the person who needs to go to hospital with a broken leg who is benefits? should they be turned away too?

Vicky.

31-08-2010, 03:44 PM

No definately not, its cosmetic.
Gastric bands should not be paid for by the NHs either, go to Slimming world or weight watchers, dont be lazy. My friend lost 12 stone on WW.

It is cosmetic...that you were born in the wrong body?!

People can diet instead of having gastric bands...the only way to sort out a sex change yourself is begin chopping parts of yourself off...in which case you would end up paying for the surgery required to stop the person actually bleeding to death :S

Vicky.

31-08-2010, 03:45 PM

Sorry what if the person is on benefits then they aren't paying anything towards there sex change

This gets worse.

So now people on benefits shouldn't be entitled to NHS care?

You do know, not many people CHOOSE to be on benefits?

Vicky.

31-08-2010, 03:46 PM

and what about the person who needs to go to hospital with a broken leg who is benefits? should they be turned away too?

Yes, however if you decide you dont want freckles, that should be available...because your parents pay tax :laugh:

Niamh.

31-08-2010, 03:47 PM

Yes, however if you decide you dont want freckles, that should be available...because your parents pay tax :laugh:

all this time I never realised that I am actually disabled:o

Sunday

31-08-2010, 03:48 PM

It is cosmetic...that you were born in the wrong body?!

People can diet instead of having gastric bands...the only way to sort out a sex change yourself is begin chopping parts of yourself off...in which case you would end up paying for the surgery required to stop the person actually bleeding to death :S

So they should save up and pay for it themselves.
Its not life threatening.
People cannot get cancer drugs because they cost the NHS too much, they need to stop those type of ops and save peoples lives and give them the drugs so they can live.

foxysarah92

31-08-2010, 03:49 PM

Stop taking everything I say and blowing it out of proportion I think people should get help but I don't agree with sex changes ok so lets just say I hate the way I look and it does effect me emotinally then technically I should be allow to have something changed on the nhs because I was born in a body i wasn't comfortable in that is what your saying but i can't get bigger boobs on the nhs even though i hate them and they do get me down emotinally

Vicky.

31-08-2010, 03:49 PM

all this time I never realised that I am actually disabled:o

Yes, you should be given priority over all of those scrounging ill people. All of those people who sit in the waiting room wanting help because they have broken something/are ill, should all be sent home and everyone who has freckles and pays tax/has parents that pay tax...should be filling that waiting room instead. Screw real problems, freckles are more damaging than ANYTHING else :D

MTVN

31-08-2010, 03:50 PM

What do people make of this - http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth

There is no conclusive evidence that sex change operations improve the lives of transsexuals, with many people remaining severely distressed and even suicidal after the operation, according to a medical review conducted exclusively for Guardian Weekend tomorrow.

The review of more than 100 international medical studies of post-operative transsexuals by the University of Birmingham's aggressive research intelligence facility (Arif) found no robust scientific evidence that gender reassignment surgery is clinically effective

Vicky.

31-08-2010, 03:50 PM

foxysarah92

31-08-2010, 03:52 PM

Actually...you can :laugh:

Which is one of the points people are trying to make.

You can get bigger ones, or smaller ones, all at the courtesy of the tax payer.

No I can't if I went and asked for one today I would have to pay

Sunday

31-08-2010, 03:52 PM

Sunday

31-08-2010, 03:53 PM

Actually...you can :laugh:

Which is one of the points people are trying to make.

You can get bigger ones, or smaller ones, all at the courtesy of the tax payer.

They have stopped doing boobs now havent they? my friend was told they have. She had to pay, and so she should.

Vicky.

31-08-2010, 03:54 PM

What do people make of this - http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth

Thats actually quite interesting.

But you can find nearly any quote on the internet somewhere. For that article there is chance to be another somewhere that says it nearly always improves the lives of the people in question.

If there is a chance, for it to make it better for them, then i think it should be done, pending psychological tests and that obviously.

Also, has anyone ever had the surgery, and then 'changed' back? This kind of thing really fascinates me, I just don't understand it at all. Then again, people who haven;t been through it, wouldnt understand.

Lee.

31-08-2010, 03:54 PM

So they should save up and pay for it themselves.
Its not life threatening.
People cannot get cancer drugs because they cost the NHS too much, they need to stop those type of ops and save peoples lives and give them the drugs so they can live.

Or clamp down on the thousand and thousands of pounds worth of nhs treatment that people living here illegally are receiving?

Niamh.

31-08-2010, 03:54 PM

What do people make of this - http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth

yes that is a fair point actually. I would imagine actually having the operation would bring a whole new set of problems with it too

Vicky.

31-08-2010, 03:54 PM

They have stopped doing boobs now havent they? my friend was told they have. She had to pay, and so she should.

As far as I'm aware, they still do boob jobs.

Never heard anything different, and a friend got a enlargement at the start of last year :S

Reductions, I agree with, as it can cause severe back pain, but I see no reason whatsoever to offer enlargements on the NHS.

Sunday

31-08-2010, 03:55 PM

Or clamp down on the thousand and thousands of pounds worth of nhs treatment that people living here illegally are receiving?

Yes that too.

Lee.

31-08-2010, 03:55 PM

They have stopped doing boobs now havent they? my friend was told they have. She had to pay, and so she should.

My frien d got hers done on the nhs... They were so big that she had serious back problems with the weight of them and was told she would be almost a cripple by mid age.

foxysarah92

31-08-2010, 03:56 PM

So I think if you really wanted a sex change you would actually save up for one

Vicky.

31-08-2010, 03:57 PM

No I can't if I went and asked for one today I would have to pay

If someone went in and just asked for a sex change today, do you think it would be done?

Of course if you just go in and say you want a boob job, they wont give it to you. You have to prove how it is effecting your life, see loads of psychologists and that to prove that you arent just swindling them and that the operation would improve your overall quality of life.

Vicky.

31-08-2010, 03:59 PM

So I think if you really wanted a sex change you would actually save up for one

With all due respect, when you actually pay tax and understand how the NHS system works, then I will take your complaints seriously. Also when you understand the difference between cosmetic surgery, and psychological problems.

I cant believe you seem to think that you just go into the doctors and demand a sex change and they give you one.

foxysarah92

31-08-2010, 04:02 PM

With all due respect, when you actually pay tax and understand how the NHS system works, then I will take your complaints seriously. Also when you understand the difference between cosmetic surgery, and psychological problems.

I cant believe you seem to think that you just go into the doctors and demand a sex change and they give you one.

I know you have to go through meetings but i still dont agree with it being on the nhs

Vicky.

31-08-2010, 04:03 PM

I know you have to go through meetings but i still dont agree with it being on the nhs

But if you are saying that having freckles removed should be available, and boob jobs, then surely you can see why sex changes should also be available :/

Since being trapped in the wrong body is more psychologically damaging than having freckles.

Lee.

31-08-2010, 04:21 PM

I know you have to go through meetings but i still dont agree with it being on the nhs

Why don't you do some reading up on the subject? Or there's aslo a few documentaries, one of which I actually found quite upsetting.
You currently seem quite ignorant on the subject so perhaps some facts ans seeing what some people go through may encourage some empathy on your part?

Tom4784

31-08-2010, 05:16 PM

I think Sex changes should remain on the NHS, it's not exactly the type of surgery done for vanity based reasons as Gender displacement (not sure that's the right word for it) and other Gender based disorders are real issues and problems. You can't really compare it to a normal boob job as in most cases that's strictly a vanity based procedure (though admitedly not always).

If surgery has a chance of helping a patient then it should be on the NHS so Sex changes should (and are I think) convered by the NHS as well as any cosmetic surgery that isn't done for vain reasons.

Shasown

31-08-2010, 05:44 PM

Its all about quality of life, if a problem be it medical, cosmetic or psychological affects a persons quality of life so much, then treatment should be available on the NHS, or even with assisted payments privately. When talking about quality of life we arent talking about being a little bit miffed we have freckles, its more major clinical depression and other psychological problems.

For the example of gender reassignment. The person hoping to have treatment has to undergo a long period of psychological assessment, a period of time adjusting to the proposed sex(a man must live and dress as a woman for a while) and also have hormone treatment for a while before surgery will be considered an option of treatment available.

The hormone treatments for men reduce facial and body hair growth, promote the development of breasts, etc, for women they male pattern hair growth, reduce breasts and restrict the menstrual cycle.

Incidentally facial freckles can easily be concealed with the use of a cosmetic concealer and foundation, available at very little cost from your local supermarket or chemists.

BB_Eye

31-08-2010, 06:33 PM

Ideally any sort of cosmetic surgery on the NHS that doesn't relate to fixing extreme injuries (particularly facial), deformities or serious health issues shouldn't be available free of charge, but then that begs the question, where will the NHS get skilled cosmetic surgeons for those times that people really need it when most will want to make a full time career of it?

In any case, this is the least of the NHS's worries. More pressing matters are the way whistleblowers whose lives are ruined and who are bullied out of their job and all the taxpayers' money WASTED on the incompetent, ridiculously oversized body of admin and the notorious Private Finance Initiatives that have the NHS swimming in debt thanks to their interest charges.

Tom

31-08-2010, 08:26 PM

Sunday

01-09-2010, 08:25 AM

Plastic surgery should never be available on the NHS unless its crucial eg after breast cancer or after an accident that has left someone with a disfigurement. A sex change isn't crucial surgery. Intense councelling is whats needed.

I totally agree, NHS is for sick people not for cosmetic, sex changes, breast enlargements. The NHS need the money for crucial operations, equiptment and drugs.

If somebody wants a sex change, they should save up for it, by the time they have saved, they will know for sure if its what they really want, there have been many cases where they had the op and regretted it or were left looking very disfigured.