Why are we only allowed to criticize white heterosexual HMs?

[Abhorsen]

If you criticize Brian you're a homophobe, if you criticize Makosi (or any black/non white HM) you are racist and if you criticize Nadia you're anti-trannie.

I'm surprised no one has threatened to go to the NSPCC for the criticism of Nikki!

Enough with the card carrying BS. It is possible for those gay HMs to be arseholes (no pun intended- male HM) and transsexuals and non whites to be loud mouthed idiots. I've also noticed that people tend to be less bothered if it's a gay female HM that is getting criticized!!! But hey, sexism (against men and women) is never mentioned!!!

Being gay, transsexual and/or non white does NOT mean you are immune from the faults that the rest of the human race has!!!! It does NOT give you *special* qualities and make you a nice person.

And if you can't accept that you have some serious growing up to do.

[Lee.]

Yeah, it's alot of crap isn't it.. I get more and more sick of the PC brigade every day!

[Highlander]

Well said you two. Glad to see some sense being said and people being brave enough to say it.

[InOne]

This is the most racist homophobic thread I have ever read :bored:

[yousoboo!]

blame shami chakrabarti @ Liberty

[brian3]

Every other thread is about "the pc brigade". It's getting a bit tirsome.

[Mystic Mock]

If you criticize Brian you're a homophobe, if you criticize Makosi (or any black/non white HM) you are racist and if you criticize Nadia you're anti-trannie.

I'm surprised no one has threatened to go to the NSPCC for the criticism of Nikki!

Enough with the card carrying BS. It is possible for those gay HMs to be arseholes (no pun intended- male HM) and transsexuals and non whites to be loud mouthed idiots. I've also noticed that people tend to be less bothered if it's a gay female HM that is getting criticized!!! But hey, sexism (against men and women) is never mentioned!!!

Being gay, transsexual and/or non white does NOT mean you are immune from the faults that the rest of the human race has!!!! It does NOT give you *special* qualities and make you a nice person.

And if you can't accept that you have some serious growing up to do.

i agree about this,its like people think being gay is a disease.

and i remember when i first called mario from this year a pervert i then got called a homophobic by 2 people.

[Lex]

:thumbs:...It's got really boring now!...And I could'nt agree with you more Abhorsen! Derek Laud is my fave HM, and I tend to talk about him as 'the second coming' or something!...However, I tend to hold back a little on ...say Brian Belo for instance, (whom I cannot stand)...for fear of being branded 'racist' by some posters!...and that is not a trait , that I have ever had! :nono:

[Mystic Mock]

:thumbs:...It's got really boring now!...And I could'nt agree with you more Abhorsen! Derek Laud is my fave HM, and I tend to talk about him as 'the second coming' or something!...However, I tend to hold back a little on ...say Brian Belo for instance, (whom I cannot stand)...for fear of being branded 'racist' by some posters!...and that is not a trait , that I have ever had! :nono:

i think its disgraceful aswell because i had to hold back on how much i hated mario in fear that i get called a homophobic again.

[Highlander]

This is the most racist homophobic thread I have ever read :bored:

HOW????????????

Unbelievable.

[Claymores]

:thumbs:...It's got really boring now!...And I could'nt agree with you more Abhorsen! Derek Laud is my fave HM, and I tend to talk about him as 'the second coming' or something!...However, I tend to hold back a little on ...say Brian Belo for instance, (whom I cannot stand)...for fear of being branded 'racist' by some posters!...and that is not a trait , that I have ever had! :nono:

Wait a tick - isn't the 2nd coming Derren Brown or did I just dream that?

[brian3]

HOW????????????

Unbelievable.

and you talk about the pc people not being able to take a joke

[MassiveTruck]

This is the most racist homophobic thread I have ever read :bored:

Most Racist Homophobic Transphobic alien-probic thread ever.

I'm bloody annoyed with it as well. It's an absolute joke! The irony in it is they don't seem to grasp how utterly politicised they are!!

[Shardlake]

Its when you descend into racist, homophobic gibes that causes the problem.

You can criticize a persons personality and behaviour without mentioning their colour, sexual preference or disability, unfortunately a lot of people on this board are unable to recognise that.

gay people disabled people, black people and transexuals are examples of minorities in society, using their differences as a target for ridicule is a form of discrimination, what part of that do you not understand?

[Claymores]

What do you get classified as if you constantly refer to Nadia as Bob the Portugese Builder?

[Vicky.]

Its when you descend into racist, homophobic gibes that causes the problem.

You can criticize a persons personality and behaviour without mentioning their colour, sexual preference or disability, unfortunately a lot of people on this board are unable to recognise that.

gay people disabled people, black people and transexuals are examples of minorities in society, using their differences as a target for ridicule is a form of discrimination, what part of that do you not understand?

Well said. And spot on.

If you hate someone for a reason other than them being gay/black/whatever, then you should be able to express that hatred without beinging their race/sexuality/whatever into it.

Unfortunately, a few members havent got the hang of this yet.

[Lex]

i think its disgraceful aswell because i had to hold back on how much i hated mario in fear that i get called a homophobic again.

Yep!...I know exactly what you mean Jedward! :xyxwave:

Of course, it's all BBs fault!!

If they had populated the house with Piebald Bonobo's, then there would'nt have been any of this PC bull****e!! :spin:

[Mystic Mock]

Its when you descend into racist, homophobic gibes that causes the problem.

You can criticize a persons personality and behaviour without mentioning their colour, sexual preference or disability, unfortunately a lot of people on this board are unable to recognise that.

gay people disabled people, black people and transexuals are examples of minorities in society, using their differences as a target for ridicule is a form of discrimination, what part of that do you not understand?

but i only called mario a pervert and i got called a homophobic by 2 people.

[Lee.]

Its when you descend into racist, homophobic gibes that causes the problem.

You can criticize a persons personality and behaviour without mentioning their colour, sexual preference or disability, unfortunately a lot of people on this board are unable to recognise that.

gay people disabled people, black people and transexuals are examples of minorities in society, using their differences as a target for ridicule is a form of discrimination, what part of that do you not understand?

Yeah, but I think Makosi is a bitch.. I don't think it because she is black, I think it because she is in fact a bitch.
That cannot be deemed as racist can it?

[InOne]

HOW????????????

Unbelievable.

and you talk about the pc people not being able to take a joke

I was being sarcastic lol

[Abhorsen]

blame shami chakrabarti @ Liberty

Actually everyone is to blame. Everyone creates the culture.

But everyone has become scared to say anything in case they get tagged with the 'racist' or 'homophobe' label. It's just daft.

If you want special treatment just say you're gay, or it helps if you're already non white.

For example that senior police officer who was non white, he got away with years of corruption because every time someone came forward he played the 'race card'. It got to the point that white officers were afraid to accuse him of anything, it only got out when he was filmed committing a crime - that is not right - and it's the way things have been going for a long time. The attitudes we see about BB are just a reflection of that - and it is wrong.

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah, but I think Makosi is a bitch.. I don't think it because she is black, I think it because she is in fact a bitch.
That cannot be deemed as racist can it?

no.


and how come people dont mention the discrimination of peoples weight? josie and dave got it non stop this year but nobody mentioned it? why?

[Shardlake]

Yeah, but I think Makosi is a bitch.. I don't think it because she is black, I think it because she is in fact a bitch.
That cannot be deemed as racist can it?

if you think she's a bitch then call her a bitch, absolutely fine. Call her a black bitch and you've crossed the line.

(I am just making a point, that was not an intentional racist slur)

[Lee.]

What do you get classified as if you constantly refer to Nadia as Bob the Portugese Builder?

Iain, I also think that because of the PC brigade, people are no longer allowed to admit to having a sense of humour, so you'll probably be sentenced to a TiBB death! :rolleyes:

[brian3]

I was being sarcastic lol

I know. I just thought it was funny that people who talk about the pc brigade being humorless. Often cant take a joke themself

[Lex]

Actually everyone is to blame. Everyone creates the culture.

But everyone has become scared to say anything in case they get tagged with the 'racist' or 'homophobe' label. It's just daft.

If you want special treatment just say you're gay, or it helps if you're already non white.

For example that senior police officer who was non white, he got away with years of corruption because every time someone came forward he played the 'race card'. It got to the point that white officers were afraid to accuse him of anything, it only got out when he was filmed committing a crime - that is not right - and it's the way things have been going for a long time. The attitudes we see about BB are just a reflection of that - and it is wrong.

Was that Luther? :xyxwave:

[Bigbrofan25]

Well said. And spot on.

If you hate someone for a reason other than them being gay/black/whatever, then you should be able to express that hatred without beinging their race/sexuality/whatever into it.

Unfortunately, a few members havent got the hang of this yet.

I agree too many small minded people out their

Why do people feel the need to attack people over their Race sexuality Gender I have no Idea

But if people got the grips with the fact that people who are of a different race sexuality gender are the same as anyone else then there would be No Need for PC laws in the first place

Racists Homophobes and sexists have all helped create this over PC culture in the first place and yet now they are restricted from airing their bias views they moan and complain:sleep:

Until society at large becomes more tolerant of others PC will be here to stay and the more people rebell against PC the more PC the country and its laws become

[Mystic Mock]

and i remember somebody else called mario a sex pest and there was about 5 different people on there back calling them homophobic which is out of order.

[brian3]

1IYx4Bc6_eE

[Abhorsen]

and you talk about the pc people not being able to take a joke

InOne did not mean it as a joke (even if he does try to back down now). Note the smilie next to his post if you don't get it. :rolleyes:

[Vicky.]

Yeah, but I think Makosi is a bitch.. I don't think it because she is black, I think it because she is in fact a bitch.
That cannot be deemed as racist can it?

No.

But if you said 'makosi is a black bitch' rather than 'makosi is a bitch' it looks bad, and thats why it can be percieved as racism. Not that you WOULD do that, just an example :)

[Mystic Mock]

I agree too many small minded people out their

Why do people feel the need to attack people over their Race sexuality Gender I have no Idea

But if people got the grips with the fact that people who are of a different race sexuality gender are the same as anyone else then there would be No Need for PC laws in the first place

Racists Homophobes and sexists have all helped create this over PC culture in the first place and yet now they are restricted from airing their bias views they moan and complain:sleep:

Until society at large becomes more tolerant of others PC will be here to stay and the more people rebell against PC the more PC the country and its laws become

but what about when i called mario a pervert? and i didnt mention his sexuality and then i got called a homophobic by 2 different people? how does that make me predijice towards gay people in anyway?

[Shardlake]

and i remember somebody else called mario a sex pest and there was about 5 different people on there back calling them homophobic which is out of order.

You dont think calling someone a sex pest is out of order?

Going by the mentality i've seen on these forums the past few months, I would put money on a lot of the posts in such a thread were based on his sexuality which makes it discrimination, which makes it wrong.

I've not heard anything as ridiculous since they were saying on DS that Dave should be charged with sexual assault for giving Sam a titty twister.

[Mystic Mock]

You dont think calling someone a sex pest is out of order?

Going by the mentality i've seen on these forums the past few months, I would put money on a lot of the posts in such a thread were based on his sexuality which makes it discrimination, which makes it wrong.

I've not heard anything as ridiculous since they were saying on DS that Dave should be charged with sexual assault for giving Sam a titty twister.

sex pest means a pervert not anything against gay people, so yeah i think its out of order.

[Chilltown]

I remember I was here when Brian Belo won and I said that he was "The first black BB winner" and I was called 'racist' by like 4 people who acknowledging his race.

[Shardlake]

sex pest means a pervert not anything against gay people, so yeah i think its out of order.

What did he do that made you think he was a sex pest or a pervert.

[Lee.]

No.

But if you said 'makosi is a black bitch' rather than 'makosi is a bitch' it looks bad, and thats why it can be percieved as racism. Not that you WOULD do that, just an example :)

God no! I would never call anybody that! I do think polotical correctness has gone too far but I would say calling somebody a "black bitch" racist.

[Bigbrofan25]

but what about when i called mario a pervert? and i didnt mention his sexuality and then i got called a homophobic by 2 different people? how does that make me predijice towards gay people in anyway?

No you didn`t mention his sexuality and that didn`t mean you were being anti gay

The reason you got pulled up by some was because back in the 1950s and before that Gay people were treated as perverts in the same league as rapists are today

They were sent to prison for being gay thats why some people pulled you up over your coments because it could have seemed you were being anti gay by branding a gay person a pervert

Though I don`t blame you for what you said because you didn`t call him a gay pervert or anything so I personally wouldn`t say you were being homophobic at all

[Abhorsen]

no.


and how come people dont mention the discrimination of peoples weight? josie and dave got it non stop this year but nobody mentioned it? why?



Good point. Because apparently it's OK to discriminate against people if they choose to be that way, hang on a minute, being gay is a choice isn't it?

[Shardlake]

Good point. Because apparently it's OK to discriminate against people if they choose to be that way, hang on a minute, being gay is a choice isn't it?

No. It isnt.

[Mystic Mock]

What did he do that made you think he was a sex pest or a pervert.

making people feel uncorfortable,touching peoples crotch and just generally staring at people weird like he was about to go for them really creeped me out aswell.

[Chilltown]

The reason you got pulled up by some was because back in the 1950s and before that Gay people were treated as perverts in the same league as rapists are today.

It's 2010. Welcome. :wavey:

[Shardlake]

making people feel uncorfortable,touching peoples crotch and just generally staring at people weird like he was about to go for them really creeped me out aswell.

did you call Sam a sex pest when he stuck his crotch in Josie's mouth? No?

[Abhorsen]

and i remember somebody else called mario a sex pest and there was about 5 different people on there back calling them homophobic which is out of order.

Didn't you know, calling Mario a sex pest is homophobic but if you had called Coolio a sex pest you would be racist. LOL.

[Vicky.]

Good point. Because apparently it's OK to discriminate against people if they choose to be that way, hang on a minute, being gay is a choice isn't it?

Being gay isn't a choice. :S

Its how you were born.

People aren't born fat. And can change it by diet and exercise

I guess you could argue that a gay person could be with someone of the opposite sex if pushed to do so, but why should they?

[Bigbrofan25]

Good point. Because apparently it's OK to discriminate against people if they choose to be that way, hang on a minute, being gay is a choice isn't it?

No being Gay isn`t a choice

[Mystic Mock]

did you call Sam a sex pest when he stuck his crotch in Josie's mouth? No?

difference was sam lost balance and his crotch hit her mouth.

and dont make me stick up for sam again?

[Vicky.]

God no! I would never call anybody that! I do think polotical correctness has gone too far but I would say calling somebody a "black bitch" racist.

I didnt think you would do that anyway.

I'm just trying to show the difference.

I dont see how anyone could say saying makosi was a bitch was racist, unless there was a reference to her color in the statement.

Same as noone could say calling Brian a dickhead is homophobic, unless they make some reference to his sexuality at the same time.

This is where many people go wrong.

[Shardlake]

difference was sam lost balance and his crotch hit her mouth.

and dont make me stick up for sam again?

Difference is Sam is straight

Thats the truth of it

[Vicky.]

difference was sam lost balance and his crotch hit her mouth.

and dont make me stick up for sam again?
OK, I loved sam but this comment is ridiculous :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

OK, I loved sam but this comment is ridiculous :laugh:

im trying to be fair here and that is what i saw.

[Shardlake]

'Comedians' like Roy Chubby Brown and Bernard Manning have a lot to answer for, for making this kind of thing seem remotely acceptable

[Mystic Mock]

'Comedians' like Roy Chubby Brown and Bernard Manning have a lot to answer for, for making this kind of thing seem remotely acceptable

what your saying is then that gay people and of colour people are above the law?

[Melanie20]

It's a lot of rubbish to say you can only criticise 'white hetrosexual men'. I remember when Pete was in the house you weren't allowed to criticize him at all because 'he's got Tourettes you know' I was always like: 'So?' When Steve the disabled guy in this BB got criticised in the beginning of BB11 people would jump down your throat if you said anything about him because: 'he's a war hero, you know' :rolleyes: it was only in the end of BB when people realised he was a boring fart that the we cried 'havoc' and 'let loose the dogs of war'. ;)

[Lee.]

I didnt think you would do that anyway.

I'm just trying to show the difference.

I dont see how anyone could say saying makosi was a bitch was racist, unless there was a reference to her color in the statement.

Same as noone could say calling Brian a dickhead is homophobic, unless they make some reference to his sexuality at the same time.

This is where many people go wrong.

Yeah I agree with you completely! Some people just seem to be so blinkered when it comes to their favourite hm, that they can't accept their negative traits and therefore quickly throw the race/homophobic card.

[Abhorsen]

Being gay isn't a choice. :S

Its how you were born.

People aren't born fat. And can change it by diet and exercise



There is no evidence for people being born gay. That is a myth, like the one about how we only use 10% of our brains, it's all nonsense with no basis in science.

And there is evidence that people with different genes react differently to food and exercise.

The best you can say is that genes AND the environment work together to produce the outcomes for weight and sexual preference.

I don't think you're right to say that it is OK to discriminate on weight but not on being gay, we should NOT discriminate on either, people's appearance whether they choose it or not, what next? Is it OK to discriminate on tattoos and colour of hair (dyed or not)?

[Shardlake]

what your saying is then that gay people and of colour people are above the law?

Dont be ridiculous. I am saying using peoples differences against them be it colour, sexuality, disability or whatever, which they have no control over is wrong and actually illegal and should not be tolerated on any level.

If you murder someone it does not make a slight difference if you are gay, straight, black or from Mars you will be punished. You will not get anymore of a heavier sentence for being a black murderer than a white murderer would.

[Beso]

brian's a lesbian

[Chuckyegg]

You can criticise who you like. Just stop being cheap and nasty.

[Melanie20]

You can criticise who you like. Just stop being cheap and nasty.

Absolutely!

[Abhorsen]

No you didn`t mention his sexuality and that didn`t mean you were being anti gay

The reason you got pulled up by some was because back in the 1950s and before that Gay people were treated as perverts in the same league as rapists are today

They were sent to prison for being gay thats why some people pulled you up over your coments because it could have seemed you were being anti gay by branding a gay person a pervert

Though I don`t blame you for what you said because you didn`t call him a gay pervert or anything so I personally wouldn`t say you were being homophobic at all

To be fair to 'jedward fever' he called Mario a sex pest because Mario hit on every male in the house and even when they pushed him away he kept pestering them - therefore a sex pest. That is nothing to do with the 1950s!

[Claymores]

Iain, I also think that because of the PC brigade, people are no longer allowed to admit to having a sense of humour, so you'll probably be sentenced to a TiBB death! :rolleyes:

Can we fix it? YES we can Bob the Portugese Builder :joker:

[Claymores]

You can criticise who you like. Just stop being cheap and nasty.

I'm a poundstecher shining wit then chuck - I'll need to up my game

[ElProximo]

Post of the Decade:

If you criticize Brian you're a homophobe, if you criticize Makosi (or any black/non white HM) you are racist and if you criticize Nadia you're anti-trannie.

I'm surprised no one has threatened to go to the NSPCC for the criticism of Nikki!

Enough with the card carrying BS. It is possible for those gay HMs to be arseholes (no pun intended- male HM) and transsexuals and non whites to be loud mouthed idiots. I've also noticed that people tend to be less bothered if it's a gay female HM that is getting criticized!!! But hey, sexism (against men and women) is never mentioned!!!

Being gay, transsexual and/or non white does NOT mean you are immune from the faults that the rest of the human race has!!!! It does NOT give you *special* qualities and make you a nice person.

And if you can't accept that you have some serious growing up to do.


I'm not even so sure you can't make some reasonable teasing of those specific identities.
Many people (and before Marcy in BB9) brought up how it was acceptable to tease or mock someone's regional dialect in an impersonation of their voice.
A HM might mimic another for a manx way of saying something or perhaps they spoke slowly,
but,
If the HM being 'impersonated' affects a 'gay lisp' then impersonations are crimes.
If the HM has a regional dialect outside the UK its possibly a racist crime.

Years ago the US Comedian Dennis Miller did a 'rant' about this where he pointed out some of these 'hypocrisies' and how he can absolutely RIP Lawyers in his act.
(maybe other examples like Cops, Southerners, Intellectual Elites) but his point was how if he made rips on homosexuals then it was suddenly 'off limits'.
What he was actually trying to say was that he resented gays being treated unequally as if they were so weak, so powerless, such fragile little 'faberge eggs' that it was an insult to treat them as if they needed such protection at all.
Lawyers can take a joke and understand its not really a threat. Southerners know its a joke and don't actually take it seriously. Gays need to step up and take it too.

People get to sit in BB living rooms and tell others their God doesn't exist. If they sincerely believe that then so be it. That is capturing a real person who really thinks the other has it wrong.
Likewise, if a HM sincerely tells another they think homosexuality is a perversion then so be it. That's a real person being observed saying a real thing they believe.

And as far as I'm concerned - I would rather have this simply out in the open where it does get addressed, discussed, EVEN IF people disagree but then let the court of public discourse work it out.
By 'suppressing it' you don't do anything but hide it and it never changes, is never enlightened. So what is the point of that?


Anyways, /rant

[Shardlake]

I'm out of this thread before I burst a blood vessel

[Claymores]

brian's a lesbian

I like your sig, but that would be 2 winners :hugesmile:

[Lee.]

Why was my last post re Afromullets post been deleted?

[billy123]

Look at this for the most pathetic infraction ever you know its turned to poo pie when things have got this bad :joker::joker::joker: dont use the word wankaphobic kids its offensive apparently :rolleyes:

p.s. this post wasnt reported by a member it was entirely off a mods own back to infract for it.

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[Mystic Mock]

Dont be ridiculous. I am saying using peoples differences against them be it colour, sexuality, disability or whatever, which they have no control over is wrong and actually illegal and should not be tolerated on any level.

If you murder someone it does not make a slight difference if you are gay, straight, black or from Mars you will be punished. You will not get anymore of a heavier sentence for being a black murderer than a white murderer would.

but when people get called racist or homophobic and probably both depending on if its a gay black man,they dont do anything in there post that makes them a racist or homophobic most of the posts i see.

[Bigbrofan25]

There is no evidence for people being born gay. That is a myth, like the one about how we only use 10% of our brains, it's all nonsense with no basis in science.

And there is evidence that people with different genes react differently to food and exercise.

The best you can say is that genes AND the environment work together to produce the outcomes for weight and sexual preference.

I don't think you're right to say that it is OK to discriminate on weight but not on being gay, we should NOT discriminate on either, people's appearance whether they choose it or not, what next? Is it OK to discriminate on tattoos and colour of hair (dyed or not)?

Genes do play a roll in sexuality its not by choice at all thats just a myth

Many people who are gay wished they were straight some of them hate the way they are do you honestly think if they could choose to be straight they wouldn`t jump at the chance

Did you choose to be hetrosexual?

[Lee.]

Why was my last post re Afromullets post been deleted?

Anybody?

All I said was "Excellent post " or something... which it was. It wasn't offensive or derogatory, so why was it also deleted??

[Mystic Mock]

Anybody?

All I said was "Excellent post " or something... which it was. It wasn't offensive or derogatory, so why was it also deleted??

a mod hates you.:hugesmile:

[Vicky.]

I don't think you're right to say that it is OK to discriminate on weight but not on being gay, we should NOT discriminate on either, people's appearance whether they choose it or not, what next? Is it OK to discriminate on tattoos and colour of hair (dyed or not)?

I dont agree with any form of discrimination. But comparing someone being slagged off for being fat and someone being slagged off because they are gay, is ridiculous IMO.

And its not right, but yes, people do discriminate on both of what you said too.

[Vicky.]

Why was my last post re Afromullets post been deleted?

No idea, give me two secs :S

Is it in this thread?

[Beso]

Look at this for the most pathetic infraction ever you know its turned to poo pie when things have got this bad :joker::joker::joker: dont use the word wankaphobic kids its offensive apparently :rolleyes:

p.s. this post wasnt reported by a member it was entirely off a mods own back to infract for it.

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:: joker::joker::joker:


you should get a job on bb, that **** needs some drama stirred up before it falls on it's arse..

[Mystic Mock]

I dont agree with any form of discrimination. But comparing someone being slagged off for being fat and someone being slagged off because they are gay, is ridiculous IMO.

And its not right, but yes, people do discriminate on both of what you said too.

you said on one of your past posts that you thought all discrimination are as bad as each other?

[Lee.]

Do me a favour everybody? Completely disregard my last two posts!! :laugh:
I'm having a very blonde moment! hahahahaha wrong thread! dumb bitch!

[Vicky.]

you said on one of your past posts that you thought all discrimination are as bad as each other?

I dont class calling someone fat as discrimination though as such.

Though it isn't nice.

As it IS something that people can change.

[Mystic Mock]

Do me a favour everybody? Completely disregard my last two posts!! :laugh:
I'm having a very blonde moment! hahahahaha wrong thread! dumb bitch!

:laugh2:

[Lee.]

No idea, give me two secs :S

Is it in this thread?

Vicky.. ignore me. :laugh:
Just being thick!

[Bigbrofan25]

nice to know most people are being civil about this this time

[Mystic Mock]

I dont class calling someone fat as discrimination though as such.

Though it isn't nice.

As it IS something that people can change.

well michael jackson proved he could change his colour so does that mean then that racism is not discrimination?

[Claymores]

Anybody?

All I said was "Excellent post " or something... which it was. It wasn't offensive or derogatory, so why was it also deleted??

Are you talking to yourself again Lee? Voices in the head?

In answer to your question there seem to be a lot of deletions today! Can't ever find the bleddy posts I was gonna be sarcy back with! :joker:

[Vicky.]

Do me a favour everybody? Completely disregard my last two posts!! :laugh:
I'm having a very blonde moment! hahahahaha wrong thread! dumb bitch!

haha no probs :p

[Vicky.]

well michael jackson proved he could change his colour so does that mean then that racism is not discrimination?

Are you honestly being serious?

You thiink having your skin bleached...or the 'official' reason of getting a skin disorder, is the same as going on a diet?!

[Shardlake]

As it IS something that people can change.

I dont want to be pedantic and dont want to get into a long drawn out argument over it, but that is not strictly true. Some medications will make you put on weight and if that person has mobility problems or in a wheelchair for example there is not a lot they are able to do short of starving themselves.

Making fun of people because of their weight IS discrimination and making fun of someone who is overweight shows ignorance as you dont know if that person is on medication or has some medical condition causing their excess weight or whether they are just a lazy so and so, which in itself s still not a reason to accept making fun of someones weight.

If someone is lazy, doesnt want to exercise, comfort eats and is not on any medication causing it, there will almost always be an emotional issue be it depression or low self esteem. Making fun of such a person will only make them feel worse. So no I dont think it should be any more acceptable than commenting on colour or sexuality.

People who say these kind of things on internet forums should ask themselves before posting whether they would say what they are typing to a persons face. If the answer is no then dont type it.

[Chuckyegg]

Vicky how do you stand all this day in day out, it must be soul destroying.

[Abhorsen]

I dont class calling someone fat as discrimination though as such.

Though it isn't nice.

As it IS something that people can change.

If you treat someone differently because of a physical attribute then you are discriminating, whether you personally choose to call it that, it still is by definition.

It is a cheap excuse to say weight is OK to bully people with because in your opinion they can change. And you cannot say being gay is genetic because it simply is not - there is no evidence for that claim. For example a gay mother or father is no more likely to father or mother a gay child!!! Being gay is more to do with gender psychology than genetics!!!

I think it is wrong to discriminate on the grounds of APPEARANCE, whatever that is.

Being gay and being black cannot be considered in the same category, one IS a life choice the other you are born with - being black is what you are born with.

Whether we should discriminate on life choices is a separate matter to physical attributes or genetic conditions.

For example, if someone is a drunk driver and loses their legs in an accident, on visual appearances alone you would sympathise with them, but their disability would have been due to a life choice? Should we also discriminate against parents who know they may pass on a genetic disease? Or their offspring, as that is a life choice?

[Vicky.]

I dont agree with taking the piss out of someone for being fat, but I dont see it as the same as rasicm or homophobia. May have been a better way of putting it then.

I am aware some people CANT lose weight, but the example we were given, of Josie...she was called fat because she constantly went on about it HERSELF, thus drawing attention to it, and also ate a LOT more than an average person would and lay in bed all day. She was not fat entering the house. But she became fat inside the house, so I think its obvious that there wasn't really a medical reason for it, it was just a case of being greedy and lazy.

[Mystic Mock]

Are you honestly being serious?

You thiink having your skin bleached...or the 'official' reason of getting a skin disorder, is the same as going on a diet?!

he still changed his colour of skin so yes i am, and also i cant believe im arguing on a mod over whats right and wrong.

[iRyan]

It's about WHITE people slagging off Makosi and STRAIGHT people slagging off Brian.

So your point is invalid. Of course a white heterosexual male making a comment about another white heterosexual male is nothing.

[BB_Eye]

I'm sure Nadia has plenty of critics that hate her for her personality. It's just that when people refer to her as 'he' or 'it' or 'Bob the Builder', it doesn't really help their argument.

Some of the "people don't fancy Makosi, because they are racist" type comments have been really OTT though.

[Shardlake]

I dont agree with taking the piss out of someone for being fat, but I dont see it as the same as rasicm or homophobia. May have been a better way of putting it then.

I am aware some people CANT lose weight, but the example we were given, of Josie...she was called fat because she constantly went on about it HERSELF, thus drawing attention to it, and also ate a LOT more than an average person would and lay in bed all day. She was not fat entering the house. But she became fat inside the house, so I think its obvious that there wasn't really a medical reason for it, it was just a case of being greedy and lazy.

Due to obvious emotional issues that she has, evidenced by her being 25 and still sucking her thumb. It does not and should not make her any more of a target for ridicule just because it's not a visually obvious affliction.


If she saw some of the threads that have been created about her over the past few months on various sites she would have a breakdown

[Vicky.]

he still changed his colour of skin so yes i am, and also i cant believe im arguing on a mod over whats right and wrong.

I can, since you appear to be following me round disagreeing with everything i say anyways.

So, you think that people should be able to be racist, because it is perfectly easy for a black person to get their skin bleached?

[Mystic Mock]

I dont agree with taking the piss out of someone for being fat, but I dont see it as the same as rasicm or homophobia. May have been a better way of putting it then.

I am aware some people CANT lose weight, but the example we were given, of Josie...she was called fat because she constantly went on about it HERSELF, thus drawing attention to it, and also ate a LOT more than an average person would and lay in bed all day. She was not fat entering the house. But she became fat inside the house, so I think its obvious that there wasn't really a medical reason for it, it was just a case of being greedy and lazy.

you seem to have forgotten i mentioned dave aswell?

[Abhorsen]

I dont want to be pedantic and dont want to get into a long drawn out argument over it, but that is not strictly true. Some medications will make you put on weight and if that person has mobility problems or in a wheelchair for example there is not a lot they are able to do short of starving themselves.

Making fun of people because of their weight IS discrimination and making fun of someone who is overweight shows ignorance as you dont know if that person is on medication or has some medical condition causing their excess weight or whether they are just a lazy so and so, which in itself s still not a reason to accept making fun of someones weight.

If someone is lazy, doesnt want to exercise, comfort eats and is not on any medication causing it, there will almost always be an emotional issue be it depression or low self esteem. Making fun of such a person will only make them feel worse. So no I dont think it should be any more acceptable than commenting on colour or sexuality.


Very well said.

There are many factors in weight.

And bringing this back to the OP, it would not be wrong to say Josie is a publicity seeking hypocrite but it would be wrong to say her weight has something to do with it. And when we say something about a HM it should be about their behaviour not their body.

[Chuckyegg]

A lot of people avoid forums and youtube comments etc because they are full of provoking cowards hiding behind the safety of thier anonymity spewing vile troll crap they would never dare say to another persons face. I have no idea why but its probably the same people who read and believe The Daily Star and watch Jedward - Let Loose.
The general feeling all accross the net is that if you don't like something - you attack in the lowest, most crass way possible. Don't like Nadia shouting? Call her a fat man. etc etc. There's no solution. Welcome to the human race. God I'm depressed.

[Mystic Mock]

I can, since you appear to be following me round disagreeing with everything i say anyways.

So, you think that people should be able to be racist, because it is perfectly easy for a black person to get their skin bleached?

no but your saying its ok to be against overweight people.

[Vicky.]

Due to obvious emotional issues that she has, evidenced by her being 25 and still sucking her thumb. It does not and should not make her any more of a target for ridicule just because it's not a visually obvious affliction.


If she saw some of the threads that have been created about her over the past few months on various sites she would have a breakdown

So, ridiculing someone because they are fat is the same as being racist?

I really don't think so.

Yes, it is still kind of discrimination. But it is not the same. If it was, you would be locked up for calling someone fat in the street, like you would be for being racist.

[Vicky.]

no but your saying its ok to be against overweight people.

I'm saying I don't think it is the same as racism or homophobia. theres a difference.

[Shardlake]

So, ridiculing someone because they are fat is the same as being racist?

I really don't think so.

Yes, it is still kind of discrimination. But it is not the same. If it was, you would be locked up for calling someone fat in the street, like you would be for being racist.

Yes its EXACTLY the same. Its discrimination, pure and simple. Go up to a perfect stranger in the street and call them fat you will be arrested for harassment.

[Mystic Mock]

I'm saying I don't think it is the same as racism or homophobia. theres a difference.

but considering your a mod that has banned people for being racist,homophobic and transphobic,you or any other mod have not banned anybody for discrimination against peoples weight.

i infact got an infraction for reporting discrimination the once.

[Shardlake]

If you are a Manager of a tour operator and someone who is 35 stone walks into your travel agents and you say 'oh sorry you cant have a seat on this plane you are to fat' that is discrimination, that person could sue and the tour operator would be committing a criminal offence, that is no different to someone saying 'sorry you cant come in, we dont have blacks in here'

[Vicky.]

but considering your a mod that has banned people for being racist,homophobic and transphobic,you or any other mod have not banned anybody for discrimination against peoples weight.

i infact got an infraction for reporting discrimination the once.

That is a total lie. You would never get an infraction for reporting discrimination.

And I have actually banned people before for being negative about peoples weight, so get your facts right before you accuse me of stuff thanks.

Over the top posts, or posts that just say 'i hate **** coz shes a fat cow' or something like that, are infracted.

But I cannot for the life of me see how someone would think calling someone fat was the same as being racist.

Can I also add, I have never discriminated against Josie about her weight...not that its relevant, but i think it needed to be said :)

[Vicky.]

If you are a Manager of a tour operator and someone who is 35 stone walks into your travel agents and you say 'oh sorry you cant have a seat on this plane you are to fat' that is discrimination, that person could sue and the tour operator would be committing a criminal offence, that is no different to someone saying 'sorry you cant come in, we dont have blacks in here'

Erm, what if the person IS actually too fat for the seats?

Would the airline have to make changes to the plane that the 35 stone person wanted to fly on?

I'm actually curious :S

Evidently, the first thing that came up when I goggled to find out more about this, as i didnt know this was illegal...was this story http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/851564/32st-man-kicked-off-jet.html.

So how come that airline isnt being prosecuted? :/

[Mystic Mock]

That is a total lie. You would never get an infraction for reporting discrimination.

And I have actually banned people before for being negative about peoples weight, so get your facts right before you accuse me of stuff thanks.

Over the top posts, or posts that just say 'i hate **** coz shes a fat cow' or something like that, are infracted.

But I cannot for the life of me see how someone would think calling someone fat was the same as being racist.

Can I also add, I have never discriminated against Josie about her weight...not that its relevant, but i think it needed to be said :)

i did get infracted when i reported oddballmisfitsftw about it.

[BB_Eye]

If you treat someone differently because of a physical attribute then you are discriminating, whether you personally choose to call it that, it still is by definition.

It is a cheap excuse to say weight is OK to bully people with because in your opinion they can change. And you cannot say being gay is genetic because it simply is not - there is no evidence for that claim. For example a gay mother or father is no more likely to father or mother a gay child!!! Being gay is more to do with gender psychology than genetics!!!

I think it is wrong to discriminate on the grounds of APPEARANCE, whatever that is.

Being gay and being black cannot be considered in the same category, one IS a life choice the other you are born with - being black is what you are born with.

Whether we should discriminate on life choices is a separate matter to physical attributes or genetic conditions.

For example, if someone is a drunk driver and loses their legs in an accident, on visual appearances alone you would sympathise with them, but their disability would have been due to a life choice? Should we also discriminate against parents who know they may pass on a genetic disease? Or their offspring, as that is a life choice?
Well this just highlights your ignorance and certainly robs your thread of any credibility. I agree sexuality is not the same as skin colour. One relates to somebody's personality and inclinations, the other is something that a person cannot change, at all.

Can discrimination against fat people even begin to be given the same weight as either? Not a chance. Obesity is a health problem, it affects your proneness to heart failure, diabetes and cancer. Race discrimination and homophobia should be opposed in all cirumstances, because it deems, out of ignorance, that those things are somehow undesirable or unhealthy with no real evidence and demands an entire group of people change something which they can't.

[Shardlake]

Erm, what if the person IS actually too fat for the seats?

Would the airline have to make changes to the plane that the 35 stone person wanted to fly on?

I'm actually curious :S

You cant flat out say to someone sorry you're to fat to do this. That person has the same legal rights and the right to be treated with respect and dignity as someone who is 9 stone. If that person has no medical reasons not to fly then (which if they were 35 stone I imagine there would be) the airline would have a legal and moral obligation to accommodate that person. You cannot turn someone away because of something that maybe wrong with them, that is illegal.


Discrimiination is discrimination, you cant pick and choose what is and what isnt. Ridiculing someones weight is no different to ridiculing someone because they have no legs or because they are black

[Mystic Mock]

You cant flat out say to someone sorry you're to fat to do this. That person has the same legal rights and the right to be treated with respect and dignity as someone who is 9 stone. If that person has no medical reasons not to fly then (which if they were 35 stone I imagine there would be) the airline would have a legal and moral obligation to accommodate that person. You cannot turn someone away because of something that maybe wrong with them, that is illegal.


Discrimiination is discrimination, you cant pick and choose what is and what isnt. Ridiculing someones weight is no different to ridiculing someone because they have no legs or because they are black

no dont speak sense its against the forum rules.

[Shardlake]

I'm actually curious :S

Evidently, the first thing that came up when I goggled to find out more about this, as i didnt know this was illegal...was this story http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/851564/32st-man-kicked-off-jet.html.

So how come that airline isnt being prosecuted? :/

First off thats the NOTW so they sensationalise it

Second of all they made efforts to accommodate him by offering him two seats, they fulfilled their obligation. It is not their fault he turned it down.

[Vicky.]

i did get infracted when i reported oddballmisfitsftw about it.

PMed you the real reason for that warning..even though it says on it :)

[Vicky.]

First off thats the NOTW so they sensationalise it

Second of all they made efforts to accommodate him by offering him two seats, they fulfilled their obligation. It is not their fault he turned it down.

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/15022010/5/hollywood-director-fat-fly-0.html well theres another then, not from NOTW.

Surely it is classed as discrimination to say someone who is too fat has to pay for two seats?

[Shasown]

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/15022010/5/hollywood-director-fat-fly-0.html well theres another then, not from NOTW.

Surely it is classed as discrimination to say someone who is too fat has to pay for two seats?

Nope its been to court under consumer regulations and also business practices. It is fair and reasonable for an obese person to be expected to reimburse the travel operator for two seats if they require two seats to accomodate them safely.

[Vicky.]

Nope its been to court under consumer regulations and also business practices. It is fair and reasonable for an obese person to be expected to reimburse the travel operator for two seats if they require two seats to accomodate them safely.

if they are even fatter, and require a half a row row (it does happen) do they have to pay for all the seats? or are they just not allowed to fly?

I didnt even know about any of this :laugh:

[Shardlake]

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/15022010/5/hollywood-director-fat-fly-0.html well theres another then, not from NOTW.

Surely it is classed as discrimination to say someone who is too fat has to pay for two seats?

Anyone can ring up and book a seat on a plane it is the person booking the ticket's responsibility to inform the agent of any special circumstances, it's illegal for them to ask.

A perfectly normal sounding man could ring and book a seat on a plane then turn up on the day of the flight in a wheelchair.. no special arrangements would have been made and that person will not be able to fly.

If you phone up and say can I book a seat on a plane to Corfu please, however I am morbidly obese, i'm in a wheelchair, I cant walk very far, I have to be near a toilet they HAVE to accomodate you.

The man in the first story clearly didnt inform them or point out that it would be a problem. They wouldnt have pointed it out to him as they would have been breaking the law. In that case they only told him when he was on the plane and it was plainly obvious that him being there was causing safety issues for him and other passengers.

[Shasown]

if they are even fatter, and require a half a row row (it does happen) do they have to pay for all the seats? or are they just not allowed to fly?

I didnt even know about any of this :laugh:

Thats never been tested in UK courts but the natural extension of the decision is, if you require more than the average person you pay for what you use.

An example would be a person hospitalised and bed ridden, on being transferred by air, the health insurance of the invalid would pay for however many seat spaces they require for safe transport. Or the full costs of a small charter aircraft if the person needed to be transported that way.

The assumption of the passenger that the airline must carry them if they purchase a single seat is incorrect. The airline may do so out of goodwill, however if the person fails to declare any special requirements at the time of booking, that in itself is sufficient to invalidate any contract.

[Vicky.]

The man in the first story clearly didnt inform them or point out that it would be a problem. They wouldnt have pointed it out to him as they would have been breaking the law. In that case they only told him when he was on the plane and it was plainly obvious that him being there was causing safety issues for him and other passengers.

But then surely...the example you gave before about someone going to book a flight and the operators not being able to tell them they are too fat(obviously in nicer words though)...is silly then?

Surely it would be so much easier all round if it was pointed out at the time of booking(if possible) so that this could be avoided :S

[yousoboo!]

Actually everyone is to blame. Everyone creates the culture.

But everyone has become scared to say anything in case they get tagged with the 'racist' or 'homophobe' label. It's just daft.

If you want special treatment just say you're gay, or it helps if you're already non white.

For example that senior police officer who was non white, he got away with years of corruption because every time someone came forward he played the 'race card'. It got to the point that white officers were afraid to accuse him of anything, it only got out when he was filmed committing a crime - that is not right - and it's the way things have been going for a long time. The attitudes we see about BB are just a reflection of that - and it is wrong.


Actually I blame shami chakrabarti and Mrs Blair the human rights lawyer.

[tate]

i saw a big argument on this not so long back when Sky News reported the same airplane issue

It stemmed from the fact that if someone is so large that their bulk goes over their 1 seat, is it fair that the person sat next to them gets less of a seat for the same price due to the bulk of the obese person taking over part of their seat

Personally I thought the debate was a little OTT however both side did make valid cases about this and for certain if the obesity problems continue down the current trends then airlines will more than likely address this once they can ensure there will be no recourse

Anyway, I digress. I actually agree with the OP. I have been a lurker on this board for a long long time yet only started posting recently however I must admit, I tend to avoid certain threads for fear of being 'branded'. The transphobic line seems to appear on every single Nadia thread and I agree, it is tiresome. I saw many threads at the start of BB11 regarding 'blackpeople out 1st, racists etc' - in my mind those particular housemates were the correct people to go for their personality (or lack of on 1 case) traits however the PC mob were only too quick to scream racism.

The constant accusations do need to stop, some people just call it what it is without treading on eggshells, exactly what a public forum should be

[stonedape]

Fat-hate is somewhere in between "racism/homophobia" and totally valid, but it's impossible to tell who has a genetic condition or predisposition and who's just lazy. So I just wouldn't say ****.

As for seats on planes, obese folks unfortunately have a practical problem race or sexuality doesn't bring: physical size. Cry discrimination all day long, if they can't fit in one seat they can't fit in one seat. You're paying for square footage, you're paying for the weight of your luggage and yourself in the air. In addition, everyone else on the flight paid for a full seat and one unlucky person doesn't deserve 1/2 a seat or less because the bigger person doesn't want to pay more or have their feelings hurt.

It sucks, but it's a totally unavoidable practicality.

[ElProximo]

Fascinating because I have repeatedly been called a 'racist' or 'homophobe' or even ridiculing of my culture and skin colour as 'redneck' here,
yet,
I don't remember a certain mod warning anyone about it.

I don't want them to.
I would rather let them expose themselves AND then have the opportunity to correct them.
I don't want them censored.

The problem is the same mod has a personal agenda for their radical left-wing socially liberal political and personal beliefs and DOES feel free to censor and ban with prejudice and discrimination when its the 'other way around'.

As for a general overview of society let me suggest something:
- The BNP exists and is fueled and empowered by the 'PC Brigade Orwellian Lefties'.
Maybe some need to think about that.

[Shardlake]

But then surely...the example you gave before about someone going to book a flight and the operators not being able to tell them they are too fat(obviously in nicer words though)...is silly then?



They only pointed it out to him when they had no other choice and his size was a potential safety hazard to other people who they are obligated to. He is at fault for not pointing out the special circumstances beforehand.

If you are in a wheelchair, book a regular seat on a plane, turn up on the day you cannot moan or complain when you are told you cant fly because you should have told them when booking.

[Vicky.]

They only pointed it out to him when they had no other choice and his size was a potential safety hazard to other people who they are obligated to. He is at fault for not pointing out the special circumstances beforehand.

If you are in a wheelchair, book a regular seat on a plane, turn up on the day you cannot moan or complain when you are told you cant fly because you should have told them when booking.

Hmm yeah I guess.

Anyways, you learn something new everyday...thats turning out to be true :eek:

[Shardlake]

as a side note this has been a very interesting thread and i've only seen the first 20 mins of the HL show through the corner of my eye.

Nikki getting electrocuted though was hilarious.:joker:

As you were..