There is No God

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/Sep/Week1/15711034.jpg


Science is now working out the True Facts



For those that need a Fake God - thats for them.


For the Clever ones
we know better.



Sign Of The Times.

[InOne]

Try telling that to all those Theists :rolleyes: They still won't accept it.

[Danielle1232]

I Dont beilive in any eh that pmsl. I belive in Santa more :L x

[BB_Eye]

Arista discovers the facts before science does. :D

[Mystic Mock]

well i bet scientists wont be able to prove a thing because there is a god.

[InOne]

well i bet scientists wont be able to prove a thing because there is a god.

Oh here we go...

[arista]

well i bet scientists wont be able to prove a thing because there is a god.



thats Your view
fine.

[BB_Eye]

http://i.imgur.com/89EJ8.png

[Chilltown]

If there is a God then who created God? =o Yeah, I just blew your mind Christians.

[SoBig]

You don't know for a fact that there is no God.

[Tom]

Arista, please stop denying you exist.

[Patrick]

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I agree though.

[Mystic Mock]

If there is a God then who created God? =o Yeah, I just blew your mind Christians.

but then you could argue who created life?

[arista]

You don't know for a fact that there is no God.


You don't know for a Fact that there is a god

[arista]

Arista, please stop denying you exist.


I Exist.

[ILoveTRW]

I bet Hawkings can't explain how David made it to 2nd place

[setanta]

Whatever floats your boat really, but to be honest with you, if I didn't believe that there was some kinda higher power or energy within the universe or beyond that we're incapable of understanding you might as well shove me off the nearest cliff or tall building.

[Tom]

I Exist.

Then god exists

[Tom4784]

There's no way to prove or disprove a higher power really, I personally like to believe in science and the POSSIBILITY of a higher power. That being said I don't agree with organised religion but I have my own beliefs.

[arista]

Then god exists


No there is no such thing.

[arista]

There's no way to prove or disprove a higher power really, I personally like to believe in science and the POSSIBILITY of a higher power. That being said I don't agree with organised religion but I have my own beliefs.



What like in another Universe?

[MTVN]

You don't know for a Fact that there is a god

But the people who do believe in God dont need proof, that is the difference between athiests and theists

[Danielle1232]

If There is a god let tomorow be amazing (: x

[InOne]

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish

[InOne]

double post

[Niamh.]

There's no way to prove or disprove a higher power really, I personally like to believe in science and the POSSIBILITY of a higher power. That being said I don't agree with organised religion but I have my own beliefs.

yeah, me too

[Niamh.]

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish

:laugh2:

[InOne]

Man created God in his image : intolerant, sexist, homophobic and violent.



That one seems a bit feminist to me ^^ :bored:

[Mystic Mock]

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish

wtf are you on about?

[InOne]

wtf are you on about?

A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death

[AfroMullet]

The gift of Rastafari is for all man to share.

[Shasown]

A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death

Interesting you should say that, but isnt that exactly how society has advanced from prehistoric to modern times?

[setanta]

Interesting you should say that, but isnt that exactly how society has advanced from prehistoric to modern times?

It's a quote too. Wish people would highlight that.

[Shasown]

Interesting he choose to use Einstein, very bright man, he denied the presence of a god that answered prayers and interfered in day to day life, he called that a personal god but didnt ever rule out a god that kicked everything off in "the beginning". Some force or being that started the big bang etc.

[setanta]

Interesting he choose to use Einstein, very bright man, he denied the presence of a god that answered prayers and interfered in day to day life, he called that a personal god but didnt ever rule out a god that kicked everything off in "the beginning". Some force or being that started the big bang etc.

I suppose he believed or hoped that man had evolved to a point where organized religion or fear mongering shouldn't dictate or influence our moral compass, and that it should be a natural instinct based on love and compassion rather than oppression. But yeah, he never struck me as a man who wouldn't be conscious of the fact that religion and faith were fundamental in the history and creation of mankind as we know it now.

[Beastie]

Well done Steven Hawkins!!!!!

[Shasown]

Well done Steven Hawkins!!!!!

Nah Hawking is just mad at god for giving him muscular dystrophy and making him talk like a dalek.




Edit: As an addendum, you dont suppose Dr Who is prophetic and Hawking actually becomes Davros in the near future, creating the Daleks to destroy humanity.

[Beastie]

Nah Hawking is just mad at god for giving him muscular dystrophy and making him talk like a dalek.

Lol!!

Anywho.. what I believe.. Science CAN be explained.. but I just think there is something bigger than "Science" that created the world first... mmmmm

[InOne]

The thing that most annoying me is that Monotheists assume that their beliefs are more rational, or seem more rational than Polytheists. You don't have great debates on the Polytheistic ones. But Monotheism has this stamp of truth that everyone has to respect for some reason.

[Shaun]

whoa wat

[M X]

I cba to read everything, but i'm assuming he hasn't found actual proof of no god??
..i don't believe in god anyway.
i'm open minded but tbh, there is no evidence at all that suggests there could be god, just some book that somebody wrote and people believe it's true. where as, there are a few theories and evidence relating to the big bang, evolution etc.

[Omen]

Science = infinity.

Religion = infinity + 1.

[M X]

Science = infinity.

Religion = infinity + 1.

http://i46.tinypic.com/jj2169.gif

[Omen]

Religion will always trump science because it is incomprehensible, and meant to be. Unlike science it can never be proven or disproven. It's an inponderable.

[setanta]

Religion will always trump science because it is incomprehensible, and meant to be. Unlike science it can never be proven or disproven. It's an inponderable.

Well actually, scientific facts continue to be disproven and proven all the time. I think it's arrogance on the part of humans to assume that there's no higher power out there that's beyond our comprehension right now.

[Omen]

I thought scientific facts had to be proven beyond doubt, until they are hypotheseis or in AGW, consensus.

[setanta]

I thought scientific facts had to be proven beyond doubt, until they are hypotheseis or in AGW, consensus.

There's always been changes in scientific truths and our understanding of them. It's part of the deal really.

[Grimnir]

God = Aliens :xyxwave:

Bishops bash the bible

I bash the bishop

Lucifer is better than God anyway as he wants humans to have knowledge and learn and have plenty hot kinky sex :thumbs:

[Sticks]

Read up on the Anthropic Cosmological Principal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle)

This was devised by atheists

In one sense it was like one of the five proofs of God's existence by Thomas Aquinus, the Teleological argument.

Repeat, it came from the atheist camp and was described by atheists as "The worst thing to come down the pipe"

Oh the irony

When I saw in the 1980's a BBC Horizon programme about without ever mentioning a creator this it just spoke to me of God at work, especially where it dealt with the just so-ness of fundamental physical constants. I felt they should have had a theologian on the programme to mention this implication but there was none

Remember the mantra, the atheists came up with this one.

Remember what the psalmist says:

The fool [a] says in his heart, "There is no God." (Psalm 14:1 ) (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=psalm%2014:1&version=NIV)

And years later the apostle Paul would write, "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse." (Romans 1:20) (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%201:20&version=NIV)

To this day, it still feels odd that they never had any one from any religion discussing the implications of the Anthropic Principal, yet they had clergy on to discuss of course the Gaia Hypothesis by Lames Lovelock.

Why?

As for sciientists and faith, I have met a good scientist working in a bio-science field who is a committed Christian and at one time was a member of our congregation. He now worships in Scotland. I am friends on facebook and twitter with Dr Pamela Gay and astronomer and Christian believer.

It is possible to be a person of faith and science, as indeed I am also.

[Sticks]

An interesting article (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1308599/Stephen-Hawking-wrong-You-explain-universe-God.html)from Professor John Lennox



There's no denying that Stephen Hawking is intellectually bold as well as physically heroic. And in his latest book, the renowned physicist mounts an audacious challenge to the traditional religious belief in the divine creation of the universe.

According to Hawking, the laws of physics, not the will of God, provide the real explanation as to how life on Earth came into being. The Big Bang, he argues, was the inevitable consequence of these laws 'because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing.'

Unfortunately, while Hawking's argument is being hailed as controversial and ground-breaking, it is hardly new.

For years, other scientists have made similar claims, maintaining that the awesome, sophisticated creativity of the world around us can be interpreted solely by reference to physical laws such as gravity.

It is a simplistic approach, yet in our secular age it is one that seems to have resonance with a sceptical public.

But, as both a scientist and a Christian, I would say that Hawking's claim is misguided. He asks us to choose between God and the laws of physics, as if they were necessarily in mutual conflict.

But contrary to what Hawking claims, physical laws can never provide a complete explanation of the universe. Laws themselves do not create anything, they are merely a description of what happens under certain conditions.
More... (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1308599/Stephen-Hawking-wrong-You-explain-universe-God.html)

[Angus]

If there is a God then who created God? =o Yeah, I just blew your mind Christians.

If the universe came into being via the big bang theory, where did the miniscule amount of original matter come from? (sits back and waits for scientific explanation, but won't hold my breath).

[SoBig]

The universe is too complex for it just to be created by a random event. Look at the earth, oceans, animals, human body etc and how everything fits perfectly in place for life to exists. There had to be a creator.

[Boothy]

God is just a coping mechanism for people who need guidance in their life. The same with all religions. And they do far more harm than good.

[MTVN]

God is just a coping mechanism for people who need guidance in their life. The same with all religions. And they do far more harm than good.

In what way do they do more harm?

I think people underestimate the benefit of religion in todays society

[arista]

God is just a coping mechanism for people who need guidance in their life. The same with all religions. And they do far more harm than good.



Bang On Right Boothy


You are Most Wise.

[Boothy]

In what way do they do more harm?

I think people underestimate the benefit of religion in todays society

Take any war from the last 100 years and think about what the main reason behind it starting was.

[Niamh.]

whether there is or there isn't a God/higher power none of us will ever know. I do however believe that religions are a crock of sh1t and used to control the masses through fear

[MTVN]

Take any war from the last 100 years and think about what the main reason behind it starting was.

Well if we think of the two bloodiest, WWI and WWII, that wasnt due to religion

Britain declared war on Germany in WW1 because of our increasing fear of them, and their emergance as one of our most prominent economic, naval and colonial rivals, and one of the main factors behind the war was the Alliance system existant at the time, which was just waiting for a spark to be lit to set off major conflict, and the shooting of Franz Ferdinand was what it happened to be. I dont see how any of that was religions fault.

And then war was declared in 1939 because Hitler had (finally) taken it too far, in Chamberlain's eyes, with the invasion of Poland, so I dont think it's fair to say religion was the major cause behind most wars this last century

[Lee.]

It amazes me that grown intelligent adults can belive 100% in the bible and deny evolution ever happened despite there being evidence of it all around!

To me religion is man made t offer people some form of belief and guidance.

I think I've asked this before on here, but how long ago were Adam and Eve created?

[MTVN]

It amazes me that grown intelligent adults can belive 100% in the bible and deny evolution ever happened despite there being evidence of it all around!

To me religion is man made t offer people some form of belief and guidance.

I think I've asked this before on here, but how long ago were Adam and Eve created?

Most Christians do now accept evolution though, I think even the Catholic church do.

[Lee.]

Most Christians do now accept evolution though, I think even the Catholic church do.

But even if they do, it still amazes me that they can fully believe what is written in the bible.. it's fiction obviously

[Niamh.]

Most Christians do now accept evolution though, I think even the Catholic church do.

they do "now" accept it because people don't just take everything they say as-pardon the pun-gospel anymore and so they have to accept it! i love how they can just change round their rules whenever it suits them!

[Boothy]

It amazes me that grown intelligent adults can belive 100% in the bible and deny evolution ever happened despite there being evidence of it all around!

To me religion is man made t offer people some form of belief and guidance.

I think I've asked this before on here, but how long ago were Adam and Eve created?

No-one actually knows but I've heard between 5000-20,000 years ago. I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure Adam and Eve were put on Earth once 'God' had finished 'creating' it, which means Earth was created, at most, 20,000 years ago.

So in the eyes of Christians, Dinosaurs or anything else over 20,000 years old didn't ever exist.

[Lee.]

No-one actually knows but I've heard between 5000-20,000 years ago. I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure Adam and Eve were put on Earth once 'God' had finished 'creating' it, which means Earth was created, at most, 20,000 years ago.

So in the eyes of Christians, Dinosaurs or anything else over 20,000 years old didn't ever exist.

Yeah.. you just stole my next point :laugh:

But yeah, how do they explain dinosaurs.. or fossils of single cell organisms for that matter?

[Boothy]

Yeah.. you just stole my next point :laugh:

But yeah, how do they explain dinosaurs.. or fossils of single cell organisms for that matter?

:laugh:

Idk. 'God' probably put them there.

[Lee.]

:laugh:

Idk. 'God' probably put them there.

Adam and Eve were amoebas?

[Mystic Mock]

A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death

but whats the point of dying if we aint gonna go somewhere?

[SoBig]

So in the eyes of Christians, Dinosaurs or anything else over 20,000 years old didn't ever exist.

Thats not true dude. Christians do believe that Dinosaurs existed, because its in the Bible. They believe that God created Dinosaurs, before he created man on the current earth that we live on today.

[Mystic Mock]

But even if they do, it still amazes me that they can fully believe what is written in the bible.. it's fiction obviously

i do believe theres some false stories in the bible but i also believe theres some truth to them aswell.

[MTVN]

they do "now" accept it because people don't just take everything they say as-pardon the pun-gospel anymore and so they have to accept it! i love how they can just change round their rules whenever it suits them!

Well it's hardly religions fault that they were ignorant of evolution, everyone was until 150 years ago. It is just believed that religion and evolution are not incompatible, and there was therefore no issue with adjusting their beliefs to accomodate for the discovery.

[MTVN]

No-one actually knows but I've heard between 5000-20,000 years ago. I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure Adam and Eve were put on Earth once 'God' had finished 'creating' it, which means Earth was created, at most, 20,000 years ago.

So in the eyes of Christians, Dinosaurs or anything else over 20,000 years old didn't ever exist.

Well, fundamentalists would argue that it was roughly 6000 years old. Not all Christians would take the story of creation literally though..

[Shasown]

Take any war from the last 100 years and think about what the main reason behind it starting was.

Oh yeah lets, lets do the major ones first eh?

WW1 following an assassination in the Balkans, Germany used it to further her goals for Imperialism.

Sino Soviet War, disputes over territory

Abyssinian War. Italian Colonial War.

Spanish Civil. Political war.

WW2 simmering resentment in germany over the conditions imposed on it by the Treaty of Versailles. Japanese and Italian greed for conquest.

Korean War. Civil war (communism versus democracy) that became a war by proxy between superpowers.

Vietnam War. as above.

Various African wars 1960's and 70's, mostly internal strife, seizing power through non diplomatic means.

Falklands Conflict - self determination of Islanders, national pride.

Balkans, following the breakup of the Former Republic of Yugoslavia, various factions intent on seizing power and eliminating the opposition.

Iraq, failure to follow UN Resolutions, Oil, Greed and pride really.

Afghanistan - refusal to close camps and hand over Al Quaeda leaders to US, ostensibly war on terrorism. There is also the US requirement for safe secure Oil transit.

[Sticks]

As for dinosaurs, if you look at the book of Job it describes at least two, Behemoth and Leviathan

As for the fossils, creationists will tell you that they are the result of the global flood of Noah.

No in order to get rid of the flood waters, the Earth had to be drastically changed, and so, the argument goes, in the new world after that, dinosaurs were unable to survive.

As for large dinosaurs on the ark, who says they had to be adult dinosaurs, hey could have been juveniles

[Shasown]

No-one actually knows but I've heard between 5000-20,000 years ago. I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure Adam and Eve were put on Earth once 'God' had finished 'creating' it, which means Earth was created, at most, 20,000 years ago.

So in the eyes of Christians, Dinosaurs or anything else over 20,000 years old didn't ever exist.

Only if they take Genesis as being literal as opposed to metaphorical

One of Gods days may be the equivalent of several hundreds of thousands or even millions of one of our years.

[SoBig]

As for dinosaurs, if you look at the book of Job it describes at least two, Behemoth and Leviathan

As for the fossils, creationists will tell you that they are the result of the global flood of Noah.

No in order to get rid of the flood waters, the Earth had to be drastically changed, and so, the argument goes, in the new world after that, dinosaurs were unable to survive.

As for large dinosaurs on the ark, who says they had to be adult dinosaurs, hey could have been juveniles
Isn't there a belief that when God threw Lucifer from heaven to the earth, that was at the time when Dinosaurs roamed the earth? Lucifer was exiled from heaven before man was created.

[Sticks]

Isn't there a belief that when God threw Lucifer from heaven to the earth, that was at the time when Dinosaurs roamed the earth? Lucifer was exiled from heaven before man was created.

Here you may be getting into mythology rather than the Bible, and if I recall the belief outside of the Bible was that there was a rebellion in Heaven when Satan tried to claim God's throne, which led to an angelic war, when one third of the angels sided with Satan and were cast down.

The only oblique reference in the Bible to this is in 2 Peter 2:4 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Peter%202:4&version=NIV) where it referred to angels that had sinned.

When that happened in relation to the creation account is not certain.

[Niamh.]

Well it's hardly religions fault that they were ignorant of evolution, everyone was until 150 years ago. It is just believed that religion and evolution are not incompatible, and there was therefore no issue with adjusting their beliefs to accomodate for the discovery.

so basically they were just making it up and selling it as the truth but in fact they hadn't a clue what they were talking about?

[MTVN]

so basically they were just making it up and selling it as the truth but in fact they hadn't a clue what they were talking about?

They were saying what they thought had happened, using the knowledge available to them at the time. They thought that what was in the Bible about making the universe in 6 literal days must be true, as they knew no better. Once evolution came to light, they realised this may be incorrect and adjusted their beliefs accordingly, so that a lot of Christians do not believe the 6 days are literal, and that they are metaphorically referring to 6 long periods of time

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i am god

[slow&steady]

when the day finally comes & the computers wipe out the human race altogether & take over (the day that they will refer to as the 'great adjustment') we will know THEN.

[Niamh.]

They were saying what they thought had happened, using the knowledge available to them at the time. They thought that what was in the Bible about making the universe in 6 literal days must be true, as they knew no better. Once evolution came to light, they realised this may be incorrect and adjusted their beliefs accordingly, so that a lot of Christians do not believe the 6 days are literal, and that they are metaphorically referring to 6 long periods of time

which is why I believe people should not follow organised religions as it is only what man thinks might have happened, when in reality they know nothing. I can't understand why we can't all just try and be good people and that's that!

[Lee.]

They were saying what they thought had happened, using the knowledge available to them at the time. They thought that what was in the Bible about making the universe in 6 literal days must be true, as they knew no better. Once evolution came to light, they realised this may be incorrect and adjusted their beliefs accordingly, so that a lot of Christians do not believe the 6 days are literal, and that they are metaphorically referring to 6 long periods of time

6 days, 6 years or 6 decades.. I still cannot accept that some greater being created a man and a woman, and the world and night and day. It's just ludicrous to me that people can accept that!
I can appreciate that people do believe this stuff though, and as long as they don't preach it to me then so be it.

[Niamh.]

when the day finally comes & the computers wipe out the human race altogether & take over (the day that they will refer to as the 'great adjustment') we will know THEN.

John is that you?

http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/movie/terminator/terminator_10.jpg

[InOne]

but whats the point of dying if we aint gonna go somewhere?

You die to be dead. Go read a book.

[Mystic Mock]

You die to be dead. Go read a book.

but if there is no god wouldnt we be able to live forever?

[GypsyGoth]

but if there is no god wouldnt we be able to live forever?

Why?

[InOne]

but if there is no god wouldnt we be able to live forever?

No.

[Boothy]

but if there is no god wouldnt we be able to live forever?

How did you come to this theory?

[Mystic Mock]

Why?

well why cant we live forever if theres no god? thats what definetly makes me think there is a god.

[GypsyGoth]

well why cant we live forever if theres no god? thats what definetly makes me think there is a god.

Do you mean that the god you believe in lives forever and he/she doesn't allow people to do that?

[InOne]

Trolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lll

[Boothy]

well why cant we live forever if theres no god? thats what definetly makes me think there is a god.

Because as we get older our organs tire and eventually stop working. Surely it would be more logical to live forever if God existed?

[InOne]

well why cant we live forever if theres no god? thats what definetly makes me think there is a god.

You're not really 14 geeeza

[Vicky.]

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish

Haha :laugh2:

[InOne]

Haha :laugh2:

;)

[MTVN]

but if there is no god wouldnt we be able to live forever?

well why cant we live forever if theres no god? thats what definetly makes me think there is a god.

This makes no sense, surely it's more likely we would live forever if there was a God, not if there wasnt. I really dont see your argument here

[InOne]

This makes no sense, surely it's more likely we would live forever if there was a God, not if there wasnt. I really dont see your argument here

He's a troll mate. Best to ignore it.

[MTVN]

He's a troll mate. Best to ignore it.

I dunno, he seems quite genuine with his posts, I think he may just be a bit dim.

[KG.]

It takes an evil person to kill a good person; it takes an evil person to kill an evil person, but for a good person to kill a good person, it requires religion.