"Big Brother rocked by new race row"

[daniel-lewis-1985]

:rolleyes:

[Niamh.]

what exactly happened with that?

[M X]

huuh ??

[_Seth]

What the hell is it about/has happened?

[Sunday]

Just read it, what a load of rubbish, all three of them said it and what they said wasnt racist anyway. Jeez, what is this world coming to?:mad:

[Sunday]

The emotionally-charged row echoed the race storms that erupted during two previous BB shows.



In 2007, there were calls for the programme to be scrapped after Indian actress Shilpa Shetty, 35, was verbally assaulted by the late Jade Goody.



And BB8 also hit the headlines when posh totty Emily Parr, 21, was sensationally kicked out of the house after using the word “n***er” in a conversation with Charley Uchea, 25.


The latest race explosion happened when Michelle was talking to Victor, 29, gay Brian and “Nasty” Nick Bateman, 42.



Michelle, 29, looked them up and down and said: “It’s blacks and all sorts night tonight.”



As an uneasy silence settled over the house, Brian, 32, tried to make a joke and said: “It’s gays, blacks, villains and divas night.”



Not one of Michelle’s rival housemates complained about either her or Brian’s comments, but BB bosses dragged her in for a telling-off.



Michelle stormed out of the diary room and complained to Brian: “I didn’t say any abusive words. I used the correct terminology and I only said it because you said it and Victor said it.”



Brian replied: “Oh my God, that was just us being silly. We were just joking.


“Michelle, you’ve got nothing to worry about. I wasn’t offended by it because I said it, too. I don’t think it’s that bad.”



Brian was later called into the diary room and warned about his language.



The row led to a debate in the house. Ulrika Jonsson, 43, said: “They want to cover their arses. They can’t have anything upsetting the last series.”



A BB spokesman said: “Brian and Michelle were reminded about the rules regarding unacceptable language.”

[Niamh.]

What the hell is it about/has happened?

on lf the other night michelle and Brian and someone else were given out to in the diary room but I don't know what was said

[Niamh.]

The emotionally-charged row echoed the race storms that erupted during two previous BB shows.



In 2007, there were calls for the programme to be scrapped after Indian actress Shilpa Shetty, 35, was verbally assaulted by the late Jade Goody.



And BB8 also hit the headlines when posh totty Emily Parr, 21, was sensationally kicked out of the house after using the word “n***er” in a conversation with Charley Uchea, 25.


The latest race explosion happened when Michelle was talking to Victor, 29, gay Brian and “Nasty” Nick Bateman, 42.



Michelle, 29, looked them up and down and said: “It’s blacks and all sorts night tonight.”



As an uneasy silence settled over the house, Brian, 32, tried to make a joke and said: “It’s gays, blacks, villains and divas night.”



Not one of Michelle’s rival housemates complained about either her or Brian’s comments, but BB bosses dragged her in for a telling-off.



Michelle stormed out of the diary room and complained to Brian: “I didn’t say any abusive words. I used the correct terminology and I only said it because you said it and Victor said it.”



Brian replied: “Oh my God, that was just us being silly. We were just joking.


“Michelle, you’ve got nothing to worry about. I wasn’t offended by it because I said it, too. I don’t think it’s that bad.”



Brian was later called into the diary room and warned about his language.



The row led to a debate in the house. Ulrika Jonsson, 43, said: “They want to cover their arses. They can’t have anything upsetting the last series.”



A BB spokesman said: “Brian and Michelle were reminded about the rules regarding unacceptable language.”

thanks for that. Is saying black offensive?

[Melanie20]

The latest race explosion happened when Michelle was talking to Victor, 29, gay Brian and “Nasty” Nick Bateman, 42.



Michelle, 29, looked them up and down and said: “It’s blacks and all sorts night tonight.”



As an uneasy silence settled over the house, Brian, 32, tried to make a joke and said: “It’s gays, blacks, villains and divas night.”

[Sunday]

thanks for that. Is saying black offensive?

In my opinion, no it isnt.
The N word and other most definately are.

Its just pathetic.

[flamingGalah!]

What is the ********** world coming to... So now even saying someone is black is racist?? Jeez... :rolleyes:

[Melanie20]

Before everyone gets on their high horse about what the world is coming too, please remember that black people themselves don't find being called 'black' offensive. This is what BIG BROTHER perceived to be offensive not what the black population does.

[M X]

How is saying black offensive???

[Livia]

What colour should she have used when referring to black people, exactly? Are we still allowed to refer to white people as white?

[Niamh.]

Before everyone gets on their high horse about what the world is coming too, please remember that black people themselves don't find being called 'black' offensive. This is what BIG BROTHER perceived to be offensive not what the black population does.

I think most people understand that, they've gone over the top PC and it all goes back to the Shilpa incident imo

[Beso]

“It’s blacks and all sorts night tonight.”

that is infact racist.

[Omen]

What was the context of it?

What was Michelle referring to? What's blacks and allsorts tonight?

[Livia]

I think we should wait and see if it was actually said, in what context it was said, and if any of the black housemates were insulted. Or we could all just get hysterical about it. You decide.

[flamingGalah!]

I'd say refering to all the other housemates as "all sorts" was more offensive than refering to Victor as black...

[Melanie20]

I think most people understand that, they've gone over the top PC and it all goes back to the Shilpa incident imo

Exactly. Ulrika said it best when she said: 'They are covering their arses' that is exactly what it is. I am glad most people understand the difference between someone being overly PC and the wishes of the black population! To say 'Oh you can't say 'black' now' implies that that black people have given instructions for the word to be banned :wavey:

[Sunday]

“It’s blacks and all sorts night tonight.”

that is infact racist.

How is it??? :conf:

[Sunday]

I'd say refering to all the other housemates as "all sorts" was more offensive than refering to Victor as black...

She was on about herself too wasnt she? it was her Victor and Brian.

[Niamh.]

Exactly. Ulrika said it best when she said: 'They are covering their arses' that is exactly what it is. I am glad most people understand the difference between someone being overly PC and the wishes of the black population! To say 'Oh you can't say 'black' now' implies that that black people have given instructions for the word to be banned :wavey:

yeah, absolutely and you're right to highlight that too

[Omen]

Did anybody hear this on LF?

NO!

So this has been leaked by BB to create some media story. Pathetic!

[flamingGalah!]

She was on about herself too wasnt she? it was her Victor and Brian.

Yeah, I'm not saying "all sorts" is offensive, but it is 100 X more offensive than calling a black person... err... black :joker:

[Niamh.]

Did anybody hear this on LF?

NO!

So this has been leaked by BB to create some media story. Pathetic!

I didn't hear the actual conversation but i heard michelle and Brian talking about it and Brian then being called to the diary room about it

[Beso]

How is it??? :conf:

she's referring to blacks as being of lower social standing as whoever else is usually allowed in the club.

[Omen]

I didn't hear the actual conversation but i heard michelle and Brian talking about it and Brian then being called to the diary room about it

So did I.

But you wouldn't have a clue what it was about.

BB want Michelle to get a frosty reception singing outside tonight.

[Sunday]

she's referring to blacks as being of lower social standing as whoever else is usually allowed in the club.


Thats rubbish and you know it. If she said anything racist, she would have been booted right out there and then.

[Omen]

she's referring to blacks as being of lower social standing as whoever else is usually allowed in the club.

No she wasn't. She's Victor's and Makosi's bf. Wait to see the context.

[ange7]

thanks for that. Is saying black offensive?
yep ... if you lump them in with the phrase "all sorts". Like they are freakish or something.

[_Seth]

That's pathetic. No-one should be offended by that. :rolleyes: What the hell was Brian supposed to have said? :confused:

[Beso]

Thats rubbish and you know it. If she said anything racist, she would have been booted right out there and then.

you explain the "blacks and all sorts" comment to me then!

[Niamh.]

So did I.

But you wouldn't have a clue what it was about.

BB want Michelle to get a frosty reception singing outside tonight.

She did seem like she had just been told off over something and that Brian had too. She said something about not being racist as well so it would tie in with the story

[Sunday]

yep ... if you lump them in with the phrase "all sorts". Like they are freakish or something.

Looking at what was said, she was including herself in the alsorts.

[Omen]

From what was said between Michelle and Brian, she was only paraphrasing and repeating him.

[brian3]

I'd say refering to all the other housemates as "all sorts" was more offensive than refering to Victor as black...

Thats the point. It is not that she said "black". It is that blacks was put in the same context as all sorts.

Like walking into a pub seing a black person and saying "they let all sorts into this pub". I can see why bb had a talk with her.

[Niamh.]

yep ... if you lump them in with the phrase "all sorts". Like they are freakish or something.

yeah, we would really need to hear the whole conversation though to make a call not just that one line.

[Omen]

Thats the point. It is not that she said "black". It is that blacks was put in the same context as all sorts.

Like walking into a pub seing a black person and saying "they let all sorts into this pub". I can see why bb had a talk with her.

From what was said between Michelle and Brian, she was only paraphrasing and repeating him.

[Sunday]

you explain the "blacks and all sorts" comment to me then!

A black person,(Victor) A diva( her) and a gay (Brian) , like Brian had said.

Calling someone Black, Gay or a Diva isnt offensive!

[ange7]

Looking at what was said, she was including herself in the alsorts.
yeah fair enough, have to admit that I haven't seen the vid of this ... but even if she was including herself as the "all sorts" she still put her foot in it I think.

[Beso]

A black person,(Victor) A diva( her) and a gay (Brian) , like Brian had said.

Calling someone Black, Gay or a Diva isnt offensive!

but refering to blacks as all sorts is.:nono:

[ange7]

yeah, we would really need to hear the whole conversation though to make a call not just that one line.
yep

[Sunday]

but refering to blacks as all sorts is.:nono:

No she said Blacks and Alsorts! Alsorts meaning her and Brian.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

yeah, we would really need to hear the whole conversation though to make a call not just that one line.

Totally agree Niamhxo, dont think we should or could make a judgment on this one.

[SoBig]

It all depends on the context in which it was said. I'll have to see the tape to see if it was racist or not.

[Sunday]

yeah fair enough, have to admit that I haven't seen the vid of this ... but even if she was including herself as the "all sorts" she still put her foot in it I think.



Its unbelievable though, Makosi is her bf in the house, so dont think she would be racist.

[flamingGalah!]

It all depends on the context in which it was said. I'll have to see the tape to see if it was racist or not.

Do you decide what is or isn't racist then?? :conf:

[Niamh.]

Do you decide what is or isn't racist then?? :conf:

ah don't be silly, i'm quite sure he meant whether he "thinks" it was racist or not!

[SoBig]

Do you decide what is or isn't racist then?? :conf:
Why are you so bloody annoying? Wasn't hugged enough as a child?

[Livia]

You realise that being black doesn't make anyone an expert on what's racist and what's not?

[Vicky.]

Depends on HOW it was said I guess. On paper, I don't think it was racist, but if she said it in a malicious way (which I doubt by the way) then yeah, I can see why it could be deemed offensive.

[flamingGalah!]

Why are you so bloody annoying? Wasn't hugged enough as a child?

I beg your pardon? Re read what you wrote... :sleep:

[yousoboo!]

“It’s blacks and all sorts night tonight.”

that is infact racist.

yep. like it or not it is racist. Michelle didn't mean it with any intent though.

[brian3]

"all sorts" is a negative term

[Omen]

"all sorts" is a negative term

tho accurate.:hugesmile:

[Niamh.]

"all sorts" is a negative term

true

http://www.aquarterof.co.uk/images/liquorice_allsorts_bag.jpg

[Sunday]

"all sorts" is a negative term

All sorts of people, whats so negative?

[Livia]

All sorts of people, whats so negative?

I don't see it as negative. It takes all sorts to make a world, isn't that the old adage? People are too sensitive. When you think about the crap that's going on in the world, to make a massive thing out of this is madness. I could understand if it was meant maliciously, but as much as I'm not a Michelle fan, I don't think she meant it like that.

[Omen]

You have to ask why it was leaked. You couldn't make the jist of it on LF.

[Niamh.]

I don't see it as negative. It takes all sorts to make a world, isn't that the old adage? People are too sensitive. When you think about the crap that's going on in the world, to make a massive thing out of this is madness. I could understand if it was meant maliciously, but as much as I'm not a Michelle fan, I don't think she meant it like that.

I agree and disagree with you on that one, generally speaking when someone uses the phrase "insert word here" and all sorts it usually is negative and implying that "insert word here" is rif raf, having said that I would seriously doubt Michelle was being malicious just having a joke.

[Livia]

You have to ask why it was leaked. You couldn't make the jist of it on LF.

Because people make money from this kind of thing by selling it to the scandal-mongering tabloids.

[Livia]

I agree and disagree with you on that one, generally speaking when someone uses the phrase "insert word here" and all sorts it usually is negative and implying that "insert word here" is rif raf, having said that I would seriously doubt Michelle was being malicious just having a joke.

Yeah, I get you. So I demand we bloody reclaim the phrase. This forum is made up of all sorts, and actually, I think we'd all agree that's a positive thing. How boring if we were all alike.

[MTVN]

Thats the point. It is not that she said "black". It is that blacks was put in the same context as all sorts.

Like walking into a pub seing a black person and saying "they let all sorts into this pub". I can see why bb had a talk with her.

I kinda agree with this. It's not the usage of the word "black", obviously that isnt racist, but I suppose it's the way she classed black people as being part of "all sorts" which could have derogatory connatations if you ask me.

[Omen]

Because people make money from this kind of thing by selling it to the scandal-mongering tabloids.

BB are desperate to rekindle the media storm Jade caused. Anything to grab the headlines. Mercenary shower!

[Livia]

BB are desperate to rekindle the media storm Jade caused. Anything to grab the headlines. Mercenary shower!

Yeah, probably. Although out of that whole Jade affair came something positive, I think. I'm not sure Shilpa would have won if the Great British Public hadn't decided that what had been levelled at her was appalling and unfair, and they voted for Shilpa as a consequence. Although there are plenty of bigots around, I'm happy to say that I think decent people outnumber them greatly.

[Sunday]

I kinda agree with this. It's not the usage of the word "black", obviously that isnt racist, but I suppose it's the way she classed black people as being part of "all sorts" which could have derogatory connatations if you ask me.

But.......... the alsorts meant her and Brian, so whats wrong with being classed the same ??

[brian3]

But.......... the alsorts meant her and Brian, so whats wrong with being classed the same ??

"they are leting all sorts into this country" "I used to like this place now there are all sorts being allowed in here" "this used to be a great little town. Now all sorts are let in"

Can all be seen as racist

[Livia]

"they are leting all sorts into this country" "I used to like this place now there are all sorts being allowed in here" "this used to be a great little town. Now all sorts are let in"

Can all be seen as racist

Do you really think Michelle meant it like that? Really?

[Omen]

I assume they (Brian, Victor, and Michelle) were describing the composition of the house - black, gay, transgender, loopy-loos etc., and it got truncated to blacks and all-sorts.

[Niamh.]

Do you really think Michelle meant it like that? Really?

Most likely but in a jokey manner

[Niamh.]

I assume they (Brian, Victor, and Michelle) were describing the composition of the house - black, gay, transgender, loopy-loos etc., and it got truncated to blacks and all-sorts.

maybe but unless they show us the full conversation it's all just speculation really

[Omen]

All I saw was her saying to Brian, "but you and Victor said it too", or words to that effect.

[Sunday]

"they are leting all sorts into this country" "I used to like this place now there are all sorts being allowed in here" "this used to be a great little town. Now all sorts are let in"

Can all be seen as racist



Liquorice allsorts!!!! ????? All sorts of beautiful people in here,
Blacks, whites and allsorts of wonderful people.
see it how you like.

[Omen]

You know how the Sun and the star jump on the tiniest ting and make it a headline. It's just bollx.

[Raph]

that's bogus.

[Sunday]

All I saw was her saying to Brian, "but you and Victor said it too", or words to that effect.

She did say that, but she seems to be getting the blame.

[Chuckyegg]

The Daily effing Star????

Give me a break for heavens sake people.

[Omen]

She did say that, but she seems to be getting the blame.

Wll they could hardly hang Victor with it.:hugesmile:
And Brian's their golden boy.

[Niamh.]

Wll they could hardly hang Victor with it.:hugesmile:
And Brian's their golden boy.

and rightly so:wink:

[Sunday]

Wll they could hardly hang Victor with it.:hugesmile:
And Brian's their golden boy.


Agree, feel sorry for her, when she comes out though and reads that rubbish.

[Sunday]

and rightly so:wink:


Whatcha like?? :joker:

[Niamh.]

Whatcha like?? :joker:

haha, I couldn't resist:joker:

[Livia]

The Daily effing Star????

Give me a break for heavens sake people.

Wasn't a word about it in The Telegraph this morning.

[Omen]

Agree, feel sorry for her, when she comes out though and reads that rubbish.

It's downright malicious!

[chuff me dizzy]

The emotionally-charged row echoed the race storms that erupted during two previous BB shows.



In 2007, there were calls for the programme to be scrapped after Indian actress Shilpa Shetty, 35, was verbally assaulted by the late Jade Goody.



And BB8 also hit the headlines when posh totty Emily Parr, 21, was sensationally kicked out of the house after using the word “n***er” in a conversation with Charley Uchea, 25.


The latest race explosion happened when Michelle was talking to Victor, 29, gay Brian and “Nasty” Nick Bateman, 42.



Michelle, 29, looked them up and down and said: “It’s blacks and all sorts night tonight.”



As an uneasy silence settled over the house, Brian, 32, tried to make a joke and said: “It’s gays, blacks, villains and divas night.”



Not one of Michelle’s rival housemates complained about either her or Brian’s comments, but BB bosses dragged her in for a telling-off.



Michelle stormed out of the diary room and complained to Brian: “I didn’t say any abusive words. I used the correct terminology and I only said it because you said it and Victor said it.”



Brian replied: “Oh my God, that was just us being silly. We were just joking.


“Michelle, you’ve got nothing to worry about. I wasn’t offended by it because I said it, too. I don’t think it’s that bad.”



Brian was later called into the diary room and warned about his language.



The row led to a debate in the house. Ulrika Jonsson, 43, said: “They want to cover their arses. They can’t have anything upsetting the last series.”



A BB spokesman said: “Brian and Michelle were reminded about the rules regarding unacceptable language.”

I put a thread on the other night about this, but no one was sure what had been said ,but i do know it was said in jest ,if im not fooking sick of PC Britain ,and all this started because Jade didnt like a stuck up bitch in BB ,And called her POPPADOM which if you read ANY dictionary is is FOODSTUFF ,not a RACE ,as is BLACK ,fook me is THAT illegal as well now ? fooking pathetic

[chuff me dizzy]

The Daily effing Star????

Give me a break for heavens sake people.

Make a change from Chantelle beong on the cover all week and her "suicide"stories ,but STILL boring ,and think about it ,since Chan went in this rag has champoined her (backhander me thinks) this could have made the front page (it happened 2 NIGHTS AGO !)To protect Chan and turn folks against Brian /Michelle ,

[Saph]

Trust ****ing Ulrika to get her word in :rolleyes:

[MTVN]

I put a thread on the other night about this, but no one was sure what had been said ,but i do know it was said in jest ,if im not fooking sick of PC Britain ,and all this started because Jade didnt like a stuck up bitch in BB ,And called her POPPADOM which if you read ANY dictionary is is FOODSTUFF ,not a RACE ,as is BLACK ,fook me is THAT illegal as well now ? fooking pathetic

You dont think calling her Shilpa Poppadom is offensive?

[chuff me dizzy]

You dont think calling her Shilpa Poppadom is offensive?

Im from Yorkshire and if you called me a Yorkshire pudding could I cry racist ?and it was NEVER classed as OFFENSIVE it was classed as RACIST and a poppadom is a food NOT a race ,and that was ALL Jade said

[Zippy]

It all comes down to context and intent.

I don't believe for a second she intended any offense. I suspect it was said in a jokey context too. Another fuss about nothing it seems....

[Omen]

The Jade incident wrt poppadums was only a part of a series of racial abuse. There was the mimicing and the thing about chicken, and there were 2 others at it as well as Jade.

[MTVN]

Im from Yorkshire and if you called me a Yorkshire pudding could I cry racist ?and it was NEVER classed as OFFENSIVE it was classed as RACIST and a poppadom is a food NOT a race ,and that was ALL Jade said

She was trying to imply that there's something stereotypical about all Indians, branding her a "poppadom" is pretty racist and demeaning if you ask me, and was clearly intended as such with her trying to isolate and distinguish Shilpa from herself because of her heritage

[Niall]

Daily Star price: 20p.


SAY NO MORE.

[chuff me dizzy]

She was trying to imply that there's something stereotypical about all Indians, branding her a "poppadom" is pretty racist and demeaning if you ask me, and was clearly intended as such with her trying to isolate and distinguish Shilpa from herself because of her heritage

So YOU know what Jade was thinking ? how arrogant ,and PLEASE find me a race who are from Poppadom ? and while your at it find me a religion that is POPPADOM ,a link would be handy ,awaiting your reply with baited breath

[chuff me dizzy]

The Jade incident wrt poppadums was only a part of a series of racial abuse. There was the mimicing and the thing about chicken, and there were 2 others at it as well as Jade.

PLEASE post EVERY racist word Jade and the others used ,im sure you will be able to find it somewhere on the web

[Zippy]

In an episode of Cheers once I remember them refer to an English man as fish and chips. I dont think the poppadom remark was any different than that really. Its just a flippant culture reference that quickly identifies where theyre from.

Of course, context is everything.

[MTVN]

So YOU know what Jade was thinking ? how arrogant ,and PLEASE find me a race who are from Poppadom ? and while your at it find me a religion that is POPPADOM ,a link would be handy ,awaiting your reply with baited breath

Huh? Obviously "poppadom" is not a religion or a race, but she was using it as a derogatory term against Indians, using something stereotypical of her country to mock her, and using it to distinguish herself from Shilpa purely because of their different cultures.

[spitfire]

If i call Josie a carrot cruncher am i racist?
Thought not.

[Omen]

If i call Josie a carrot cruncher am i racist?
Thought not.

unless you're black.

[Beso]

No she said Blacks and Alsorts! Alsorts meaning her and Brian.

It's still seperating ethnic groupds ina derogatory sentence, which is racism in my book.

[Beso]

yep. like it or not it is racist. Michelle didn't mean it with any intent though.

I agree.

[chuff me dizzy]

It's still seperating ethnic groupds ina derogatory sentence, which is racism in my book.

FFS Parmnion ,stop nit picking ,its talk like this that is ruining this country and peoples lives ,Jo had a never breakdown over nit pickers ,

[MTVN]

If i call Josie a carrot cruncher am i racist?
Thought not.

Yeah cos thats the same :rolleyes:

[Omen]

It's still seperating ethnic groupds ina derogatory sentence, which is racism in my book.

Well Victor said it too. So there you have it.

[chuff me dizzy]

In an episode of Cheers once I remember them refer to an English man as fish and chips. I dont think the poppadom remark was any different than that really. Its just a flippant culture reference that quickly identifies where theyre from.

Of course, context is everything.

It not even about culture ,a poppadom is a food stuff ,end of .........

[chuff me dizzy]

Huh? Obviously "poppadom" is not a religion or a race, but she was using it as a derogatory term against Indians, using something stereotypical of her country to mock her, and using it to distinguish herself from Shilpa purely because of their different cultures.

So you know why she was saying it now ? get a grip ffs :crazy::rolleyes:

[Beso]

chill you silly people,it's just the sentence that comes across as derogatory. I'm sure michelle was suitably embarrassed about it. which is punishment enough.

[Zippy]

It not even about culture ,a poppadom is a food stuff ,end of .........

Food is a defining part of different cultures. Duh.

Geez. :whistle:

[chuff me dizzy]

Well Victor said it too. So there you have it.

Jermaine called Jades Grandma and Grandad white trash ,but do you know what ? THAT wasnt racist ? Tony Blair never apologised to all white people because of it either

[chuff me dizzy]

Food is a defining part of different cultures. Duh.

Geez. :whistle:

BUT a poppadom is a FOOD STUFF !! it can never be ,nor ever has been a RACE and THATS what racist means ,an attack on a race

[Beso]

Jermaine called Jades Grandma and Grandad white trash ,but do you know what ? THAT wasnt racist ? Tony Blair never apologised to all white people because of it either

what you saying? That because blacks are getting away with talk like that everyone should?


Oh and if anyone calls me haggis muncher i'll fill their pm box with porn!

[Zippy]

BUT a poppadom is a FOOD STUFF !! it can never be ,nor ever has been a RACE and THATS what racist means ,an attack on a race

Oh Lord.

If its not direct and literal you really struggle dont you?

[MTVN]

So you know why she was saying it now ? get a grip ffs :crazy::rolleyes:

Yes, I think it's pretty obvious. If she seriously didnt know her surname and was genuinely guessing she would have used a genuine Indian surname; "Patel" or something like that (although that could still be considered offensive), she wouldn't say "Shilpa Poppadom" or "Shilpa ****awalla", where she is clearly mocking her and trying to be offensive.

And you say you wanted to know what she said that was racist, how about "go back to the slums"? You gonnas defend that eh Chuff?

She should have been utterly ashamed the way she treated Shilpa, and if you can just shrug off and defend her racism, then you should get a grip.

[brian3]

BUT a poppadom is a FOOD STUFF !! it can never be ,nor ever has been a RACE and THATS what racist means ,an attack on a race

Jade was being racist when she said that. It has nothing to do with a pc gone mad country. It was a racist comment. Had BB steped in and sorted the problem out it would have been ok. But they stod back to see how bad it would get

[brian3]

Yes, I think it's pretty obvious. If she seriously didnt know her surname and was genuinely guessing she would have used a genuine Indian surname; "Patel" or something like that (although that could still be considered offensive), she wouldn't say "Shilpa Poppadom" or "Shilpa ****awalla", where she is clearly mocking her and trying to be offensive.

And you say you wanted to know what she said that was racist, how about "go back to the slums"? You gonnas defend that eh Chuff?

She should have been utterly ashamed the way she treated Shilpa, and if you can just shrug off and defend her racism, then you should get a grip.

What I always dont get is how Jades mum got away scot free from the racist thing.

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Oh Lord.

If its not direct and literal you really struggle dont you? wiki says :

Papadum, also known as papad in North India, is a thin, crispy Indian preparation sometimes described as a cracker or flatbread. It is typically served as an accompaniment to a meal in India. It is also eaten as an appetizer or a snack and can be eaten with various toppings such as chopped onions, chutney or other dips and condiments.
In certain parts of India, raw papadums (dried but unroasted) are used in curries and vegetable preparations. Papadums are made in different sizes. Smaller ones can be eaten like a snack chip and the larger ones can be used to make wraps.

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Jade was being racist when she said that. It has nothing to do with a pc gone mad country. It was a racist comment. Had BB steped in and sorted the problem out it would have been ok. But they stod back to see how bad it would get

wowwo we have ANOTHER person who could read Jades mind :sleep::sleep::sleep:

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Yes, I think it's pretty obvious. If she seriously didnt know her surname and was genuinely guessing she would have used a genuine Indian surname; "Patel" or something like that (although that could still be considered offensive), she wouldn't say "Shilpa Poppadom" or "Shilpa ****awalla", where she is clearly mocking her and trying to be offensive.

And you say you wanted to know what she said that was racist, how about "go back to the slums"? You gonnas defend that eh Chuff?

She should have been utterly ashamed the way she treated Shilpa, and if you can just shrug off and defend her racism, then you should get a grip.

What race is "SLUM" ?

[MTVN]

What I always dont get is how Jades mum got away scot free from the racist thing.

Yeah, I think she could easily have been able to use her real name, she did so during her interview. I dont think she was as bad as Jade or Jack (who also got away relatively unscathed) but calling her "The Indian" all the time must have been pretty demeaning for Shilpa

[MTVN]

What race is "SLUM" ?

Oh dear God, like Zippy said you really struggle don't you? Can you seriously not see why "go back to the slums" is racist?

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Yeah, I think she could easily have been able to use her real name, she did so during her interview. I dont think she was as bad as Jade or Jack (who also got away relatively unscathed) but calling her "The Indian" all the time must have been pretty demeaning for Shilpa

Why ? did we get told lies ? was Shilpa a Canadian ? :sleep:

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Why ? did we get told lies ? was Shilpa a Canadian ? :sleep:

She could have used her name but by calling her "The Indian" it makes her out to be this funny, little thing who is different from then. It's degrading and strips her off any identity

[Omen]

Racists throw bananas at black footbllers too.

[GiRTh]

What a load of nonsense. She shouldn't have said it but her words were not meant as a racial slur.

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She could have used her name but by calling her "The Indian" it makes her out to be this funny, little thing who is different from then. It's degrading and strips her off any identity

I i had been in there and someone had called me the English woman/Yorkshire woman ,would that have been racist ? Nit pickers are below contempt

[Beso]

I i had been in there and someone had called me the English woman/Yorkshire woman ,would that have been racist ? Nit pickers are below contempt

oh shut up chuffybreaks, thats just complete sh!t.

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oh shut up chuffybreaks, thats just complete sh!t.

Racism works two ways,not just one

[Beso]

Racism works two ways,not just one

yes it does, but you get white yorkshire/english women as well as yellow, black yadda yadda...it's when you seperate all that into derogatory stuff thats when it becomes racist.

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GeeJus,give it a rest.
:sleep:

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yes it does, but you get white yorkshire/english women as well as yellow, black yadda yadda...it's when you seperate all that into derogatory stuff thats when it becomes racist.

I have always said and always will ,more black people are racist than white are ,and I stick to this so toddle off me duck and make us a cuppa ,thats a good lad

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I have always said and always will ,more black people are racist than white are ,and I stick to this so toddle off me duck and make us a cuppa ,thats a good lad

Care to back up that claim?

[Niamh.]

Yes, I think it's pretty obvious. If she seriously didnt know her surname and was genuinely guessing she would have used a genuine Indian surname; "Patel" or something like that (although that could still be considered offensive), she wouldn't say "Shilpa Poppadom" or "Shilpa ****awalla", where she is clearly mocking her and trying to be offensive.

And you say you wanted to know what she said that was racist, how about "go back to the slums"? You gonnas defend that eh Chuff?

She should have been utterly ashamed the way she treated Shilpa, and if you can just shrug off and defend her racism, then you should get a grip.

This ^ plus Danielle saying that all Indians are skinny because they don't cook chicken properly. Those 3 were disgusting and clearly malicious in there behaviour towards Shilpa, I actually can't believe people are defending them

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Danielle was worse in all that than jade ever was (and got away with it) ,not to mention that other 'blonde' bint.

[Niamh.]

Danielle was worse in all that than jade ever was (and got away with it) ,not to mention that other 'blonde' bint.

They were all as bad as eachother if you ask me. Jade got the biggest fall from grace because she had been so popular beforehand

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Care to back up that claim?

Its a fact ,we have one member on here who DAILY spouts racism against white folk ,is anything done ? no

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

i dont get it. I jump on anything i find remotely racist but i dont see the prob. Maybe its because she singled out the fact that he is black? Or maybe because she used the word as plural suggesting blacks haue a one track mind? Oh i don't flipping know i nef to watch the footage

[Zippy]

Those 3 were disgusting and clearly malicious in there behaviour towards Shilpa, I actually can't believe people are defending them

I think malicious is too strong a word. I think they were just being bitchy schoolgirls and grasping at the simplest things that made her different. Like inarticulate people always do. I'd say they were moderately racist but not to extent it was portrayed in the media.

It was all very hysterical and overplayed. Must have been a slow newsweek.

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They were all as bad as eachother if you ask me. Jade got the biggest fall from grace because she had been so popular beforehand

Jo had a breakdown while shilpa raked the money in ,lets be honest here Would she have won bb if Jade,Jo,Danielle had not said the word popadom ? No she would not

[Beso]

I have always said and always will ,more black people are racist than white are ,and I stick to this so toddle off me duck and make us a cuppa ,thats a good lad

patronising sexist bitch.

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I think malicious is too strong a word. I think they were just being bitchy schoolgirls and grasping at the simplest things that made her different. Like inarticulate people always do. I'd say they were moderately racist but not to extent it was portrayed in the media.

It was all very hysterical and overplayed. Must have been a slow newsweek.

I odnt think they were remotly racist ,they didnt like her ,she didnt like them ,it was a clash of personalities that got blown out of all proportion by do gooders

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patronising sexist bitch.

OH !!!!! FFS Im sexist now :shocked::shocked: get the kettle on and shut up ,cheeky chuff

[Zippy]

patronising sexist bitch.

:o

['Conor]

racism is looked into too much its unreal

['Conor]

its not fair uuugh if victor had said that thing it would be ignored

[Niamh.]

Jo had a breakdown while shilpa raked the money in ,lets be honest here Would she have won bb if Jade,Jo,Danielle had not said the word popadom ? No she would not

No she probably wouldn't have won then but she didn't ask for them to treat her like that so It's hardly her fault that she won under those circumstances, she had no clue what was going on outside. Plus she was nothing but graceful when asked about it afterwards. I remember watching and feeling so angry at the way she was being treated in there and it was horrible to watch. Did the media go too far after? probably, was that Shilpas fault? absolutely not. Does that change what actually happened in there and make it ok? No.

[MTVN]

No she probably wouldn't have won then but she didn't ask for them to treat her like that so It's hardly her fault that she won under those circumstances, she had no clue what was going on outside. Plus she was nothing but graceful when asked about it afterwards. I remember watching and feeling so angry at the way she was being treated in there and it was horrible to watch. Did the media go too far after? probably, was that Shilpas fault? absolutely not. Does that change what actually happened in there and make it ok? No.

Yeah, I felt really sorry for her because she simply did not deserve the abuse she was getting. I know the word "bully" is thrown around a lot on BB these days, but thats exactly what those three were.

It's worth mentioning Chuff, that it wasnt simply an isolated case of calling her popadom, it was persistent bullying, and I do think Danielle was possibly the worst, I remember her calling her a "dog" and telling her to "f off home" at one point. Disgraceful.

[Omen]

Birdie num nums anyone? :spin:

_ov5fvCHmxo

[Niamh.]

Yeah, I felt really sorry for her because she simply did not deserve the abuse she was getting. I know the word "bully" is thrown around a lot on BB these days, but thats exactly what those three were.

It's worth mentioning Chuff, that it wasnt simply an isolated case of calling her popadom, it was persistent bullying, and I do think Danielle was possibly the worst, I remember her calling her a "dog" and telling her to "f off home" at one point. Disgraceful.

exactly, she's been called "stuck up" here by someone which I think is unfair and untrue, I thought she had a lovely manner and just very polite, probably something that those scummy girls were not used to.

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No she probably wouldn't have won then but she didn't ask for them to treat her like that so It's hardly her fault that she won under those circumstances, she had no clue what was going on outside. Plus she was nothing but graceful when asked about it afterwards. I remember watching and feeling so angry at the way she was being treated in there and it was horrible to watch. Did the media go too far after? probably, was that Shilpas fault? absolutely not. Does that change what actually happened in there and make it ok? No.

We obviously will have to agree to TOTALLY disagree on this one ,I wont say another word ,only to say this ,she was FAR from gracious ,she was a nasty snob who looked down her stuck up nose at Jade,Jo,Danielle and Jades family, they being hot blooded ,honest girls did not take kindly to this stuck up cow looking down her nose at them and in time they hated her (as I and COUNTLESS others did)Shilpa played the race card ,but laughed when Jermaine called white people ,,,,,white trash ,double standards that resulted in breaking the lives of two young women ,while Shilpa made money from it ,Jermaine remained untainted ,it was the lowest part of big brother ever ,all cause by Shilpa being so far up her own arse to see daylight

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:o

He is EXTREMELY lucky I have not pressed the triangle

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its not fair uuugh if victor had said that thing it would be ignored

of course it would,spot on mate.

[Zippy]

He is EXTREMELY lucky I have not pressed the triangle

Unless you have touchscreen I dont think pressing it will do much good. Although its amusing to imagine you trying....

[Niamh.]

We obviously will have to agree to TOTALLY disagree on this one ,I wont say another word ,only to say this ,she was FAR from gracious ,she was a nasty snob who looked down her stuck up nose at Jade,Jo,Danielle and Jades family, they being hot blooded ,honest girls did not take kindly to this stuck up cow looking down her nose at them and in time they hated her (as I and COUNTLESS others did)Shilpa played the race card ,but laughed when Jermaine called white people ,,,,,white trash ,double standards that resulted in breaking the lives of two young women ,while Shilpa made money from it ,Jermaine remained untainted ,it was the lowest part of big brother ever ,all cause by Shilpa being so far up her own arse to see daylight

lmao, it amazes me how two people can watch the same thing but see something so completely different!

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Unless you have touchscreen I dont think pressing it will do much good. Although its amusing to imagine you trying....

You know what I mean !!

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lmao, it amazes me how two people can watch the same thing but see something so completely different!

EXACTLY thats why will agree to disagree :kiss: because YOU will never admit Im right and vica versa

[Niamh.]

EXACTLY thats why will agree to disagree :kiss: because YOU will never admit Im right and vica versa

very true, and I just can't fight with a fello Brian fan anyway:hug:

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very true, and I just can't fight with a fello Brian fan anyway:hug:

No way !!! fook Shilpa !! shes history :kiss::flowers: a bunch of daffs for you flowerpot ,let concentrate on the greatest hm8 EVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :worship::worship::worship:

[Beso]

yes, all hail nikki!!

[Niamh.]

No way !!! fook Shilpa !! shes history :kiss::flowers: a bunch of daffs for you flowerpot ,let concentrate on the greatest hm8 EVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :worship::worship::worship:

absolutely, It's alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll about King Brian now!!:dance::dance::dance:


:lovedup:

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yes, all hail nikki!!

Oh go away Parmnion !!!! :xyxwave:

[Beso]

Oh go away Parmnion !!!! :xyxwave:

:joker: Shut up

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absolutely, It's alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll about King Brian now!!:dance::dance::dance:


:lovedup:

Al hail the King of Big Brother ..Mr Brian Dowling .........:worship::worship::lovedup::lovedup::chee r2::dance2::dance2::thumbs2::thumbs2:

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:joker: Shut up

Love you really :lovedup:

[Beso]

Love you really :lovedup:

you won't in a minute!:spin:

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you won't in a minute!:spin:

Why what you going to do ?

[Zippy]

let concentrate on the greatest hm8 EVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :worship::worship::worship:

I agree....

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01113/ruckas_ubb_nadia_b_1113976a.jpg

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I agree....

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01113/ruckas_ubb_nadia_b_1113976a.jpg

History !! bye for now be back in a mo