Is it offensive to say...

[lostalex]

That the vast majority, like 99% of heterosexual men would never EVER touch Nadia?

Why do we act like we live in such an accepting society, when we all know this is the truth?

Do you call all men who wouldn't be attracted to Nadia BECAUSE she's a post-op ******, does that make them "transphobic?"

Why do we pretend that str8 men would ever be attracted to that?

I think alot of people on this website, are being Idealistic and Naive.

It's easy for str8 women and gay men to be tolerant of people like Nadia, but do we honestly think that Nadia is attractive to true heterosexual men?

And, is it WRONG for heterosexual men to not be attracted to her? I don't think it is.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

some straight guys like ******s though. most of the time they are freaks that like to wear nappies and be breastfed but beggars cant be choosers

[InOne]

She should go work in a fetish Brothel

[SoBig]

I'm a straight male and I'm attracted to FEMALES. Not men that had surgery to make their appearance to look like that of a female.

[Jamietwo]

lmao ..... what's personal sexual preference got to do with it? i'm a gay but i wouldn't sleep with 99.99 % of gay men does that mean i'm homophobic? also i don't find any black men attractive, does that mean i'm racist?

[CaudleHalbard]

That the vast majority, like 99% of heterosexual men would never EVER touch Nadia?



Not if you've done a proper, statistically valid survey! :)

Have you?

Also is the first thing Nadia would say to a man that she is a transsexual? I doubt it! ;)

[lostalex]

No one has answered the questions i actually asked yet.....

[SoBig]

No one has answered the questions i actually asked yet.....

I agree with everything in your OP.

[smudgie]

No, it is not offensive to say what you have written.
However, that is only my personal opinion and it would not affect me in any way. Perhaps others may feel differently about it.

[CaudleHalbard]

No one has answered the questions i actually asked yet.....


That may be because you have started with an assertion based solely on your own prejudices? Just a thought! ;)

[lostalex]

I agree with everything in your OP.

do you think it's fair for people to call you "transphobic" just because you're not attracted to post-op transexuals?

i don't think it's fair at all.

[lostalex]

I also don't think it's fair at all that i'm expected to relate to or defend Nadia, just cause i'm a gay man.


i don't understand how i, as a gay man, am suppossed to relate to a heterosexual woman, like nadia.

Why are transgender women, who claim to be hetereosexual women, how are they at all connected to me, as a gay man???

i don't get it.

it's all incredibly confusing to me, and i'm sick of being accussed of being "transphobic" for not being able to relate to her.

[Jamietwo]

do you think it's fair for people to call you "transphobic" just because you're not attracted to post-op transexuals?

i don't think it's fair at all.

who is calling you trans-phobic because you won't give sleep with a ******? who cares who or what you want to sleep with? if a ****** doesn't want to sleep with you would that offend you? lol

[SoBig]

do you think it's fair for people to call you "transphobic" just because you're not attracted to post-op transexuals?

i don't think it's fair at all.

Of course its not fair. They still aren't females.

[lostalex]

who is calling you trans-phobic because you won't give sleep with a ******? who cares who or what you want to sleep with? if a ****** doesn't want to sleep with you would that offend you? lol

it seems anyone who doesn't pretend she's a normal female, is accused of being transphobic.

[Vicky.]

do you think it's fair for people to call you "transphobic" just because you're not attracted to post-op transexuals?


No, that assumption would be ridiculous.

People arent attracted to other people for a variety of reasons.

Not fancying her, would not make you transphobic...why on earth do you ask :conf:

[BB_Eye]

it seems anyone who doesn't pretend she's a normal female, is accused of being transphobic.
What I don't get is why you care.

[lostalex]

What I don't get is why you care.

well i take yur point. ofcourse caring about people's lives, people you don't know, people yu see on TV is pathetic in and of itself.... but that's why we're all here right?? that's what this forum is for right? lol

This is Big Brother.... apt title for a website :P

[BB_Eye]

well i take yur point. ofcourse caring about epople's ives, people you don't know, epople yu see on TV is pathetic n and of itself.... but that's why we're all here right?? that's what thsi forum is for right? lol

This is Big Brother.... apt title for a website :P
I know, but I don't think any of us are pretending most straight guys don't go for trannies. But some do and I'm sure there are plenty of them to go around considering transsexuals aren't exactly common.

[eye sea]

Yeah but 99% of straight men mightn't 'touch' Vanessa Feltz. ;)

[lostalex]

yeah but 99% of straight men mightn't 'touch' vanessa feltz. ;)

lol


very good point.

[Jamietwo]

it seems anyone who doesn't pretend she's a normal female, is accused of being transphobic.

no , you don't have to pretend anything or be anything you're not and you certainly don't have to do sex with people you don't fancy just to be politically correct. It would be nice though for you and for others, if you respected other peoples choices and in this case gender/sex , just allow them to exist, don't start worrying about performing cunnilingus on them! awwww you're so sweet, i can feel breast milk forming in my chest

[lostalex]

But we're not all gonna get called anti-semetic for talking about how unattractive vanessa feltz is... that's the difference...

[Vicky.]

But we're not all gonna get called anti-semetic for talking about how unattractive vanessa feltz is... that's the difference...

You wouldnt be called 'anti-semetic' for talking about how unattractive you find nadia.

The problem is when you start calling her a man beast and such.

[lostalex]

You wouldnt be called 'anti-semetic' for talking about how unattractive you find nadia.

The problem is when you start calling her a man beast and such.

Nadia's not jewish. i'm just saying, nadia' is repulsive in many ways that have nothing to do with her hormone pills and plastic surgery, but we get called transhobic for pointing thoe things out...

Vanessa Feltz is a minority for being jewish obviously, but if we point out the same things about vanessa, her manly figure and sergeries, no one would presume we are attacking her just because of her minority status.

[Chuckyegg]

[QUOTE=lostalex;3756576]That the vast majority, like 99% of heterosexual men would never EVER touch Nadia?
QUOTE]

78.3% of statistics are made up on the spot

[Vicky.]

Nadia's not jewish. i'm just saying, nadia' is repulsive in many ways that have nothing to do with her hormone pills and plastic surgery, but we get called transhobic for pointing thoe things out...


Please point me to ONE post where you, or anyone else, have been called transphobic for just saying nadia was ugly/unattractive/repulsive without mentioning her surgery :)

[BB_Eye]

Why does everyone mispell (and even mispronounce most of the time) 'anti-semitic'?

[lostalex]

Why does everyone mispell (and even mispronounce most of the time) 'anti-semitic'?

it's anti-semEtic in American. are you being xenophobic against me for being American???

[BB_Eye]

it's anti-semEtic in American. are you being xenophobic against me for being American???
No it ain't. :p

[lostalex]

*checks Webster's..... I'm right!

[BB_Eye]

*also checks Merriam-Webster*
You're wrong
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-semetic

[lostalex]

*also checks Merriam-Webster*
You're wrong
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-semetic

well you don't have to be a jerk about it. :nono:

lol :P

[BB_Eye]

well you don't have to be a jerk about it. :nono:

lol
Well you had the humility to respond. ;)

[lostalex]

Well you had the humility to respond. ;)

fair play.

[Shardlake]

That the vast majority, like 99% of heterosexual men would never EVER touch Nadia?

Why do we act like we live in such an accepting society, when we all know this is the truth?

Do you call all men who wouldn't be attracted to Nadia BECAUSE she's a post-op ******, does that make them "transphobic?"

Why do we pretend that str8 men would ever be attracted to that?

I think alot of people on this website, are being Idealistic and Naive.

It's easy for str8 women and gay men to be tolerant of people like Nadia, but do we honestly think that Nadia is attractive to true heterosexual men?

And, is it WRONG for heterosexual men to not be attracted to her? I don't think it is.

If you were just in a club and she had never been on Big Brother you wouldnt even know her history

I pray to Jesus that you sleep with a woman before you die who up until the age of 25 was a raging homosexual, these kind of attitudes disgust me.

Just thank God that you were fortunate to not be born where you spent your childhood agonising over your gender and sexuality. Also that you never have children born with the same problem.

[SoBig]

Why does everyone mispell (and even mispronounce most of the time) 'anti-semitic'?

The American and British spelling of certain words are different.

[billy123]

you would have to be pretty messed up to be attracted to nads

[Grimnir]

That the vast majority, like 99% of heterosexual men would never EVER touch Nadia?

Why do we act like we live in such an accepting society, when we all know this is the truth?

Do you call all men who wouldn't be attracted to Nadia BECAUSE she's a post-op ******, does that make them "transphobic?"

Why do we pretend that str8 men would ever be attracted to that?

I think alot of people on this website, are being Idealistic and Naive.

It's easy for str8 women and gay men to be tolerant of people like Nadia, but do we honestly think that Nadia is attractive to true heterosexual men?

And, is it WRONG for heterosexual men to not be attracted to her? I don't think it is.


the main reason Nadia is unattractive is not because she is ******

but because she looks like a bag of potatoes, with one of the potatoes stickin out the top of the bag for her head

[stonedape]

I'm failing to bridge the mental gap between not being attracted to someone and not being able to touch them. Are you physically repulsed by everyone and everything you aren't sexually attracted to?

No. Which means this isn't about lack of attraction, it's about ignorant repulsion based on lack of familiarity. :elephant:

[lostalex]

I'm failing to bridge the mental gap between not being attracted to someone and not being able to touch them. Are you physically repulsed by everyone and everything you aren't attracted to?

No. Which means this isn't about lack of attraction, it's about ignorant repulsion based on lack of familiarity. :elephant:

i think the concept, of a man having plastic surgery, to become a woman, is unattractive to most heterosexual men.

is that offensive? is there anything wrong with that? that's what i'm really asking.

[lostalex]

is it offensive and discriminatory for most heterosexual men to prefer biological women?

[Shardlake]

the main reason Nadia is unattractive is not because she is ******

but because she looks like a bag of potatoes, with one of the potatoes stickin out the top of the bag for her head

I've seen countless numbers of women who were born as straight females that are far far uglier.

When she is done up all ready to go out or whatever, there is not a man on here who would say no if she randomly came up to you in a club and you didnt know her history, offering you a night of unbridled, kinky sex. You simply would not guess (despite what you will obviously say) that she was born a man.

FACT

[lostalex]

I've seen countless numbers of women who were born as straight females that are far far uglier.

When she is done up all ready to go out or whatever, there is not a man on here who would say no if she randomly came up to you in a club and you didnt know her history, offering you a night of unbridled, kinky sex. You simply would not guess (despite what you will obviously say) that she was born a man.

FACT

i'm a man, and i definitely would say NO. so that totally discredits yur theory.

[SoBig]

I've seen countless numbers of women who were born as straight females that are far far uglier.

When she is done up all ready to go out or whatever, there is not a man on here who would say no if she randomly came up to you in a club and you didnt know her history, offering you a night of unbridled, kinky sex. You simply would not guess (despite what you will obviously say) that she was born a man.

FACT

Bull****.

You can always tell a real woman from a ******.

[stonedape]

is it offensive and discriminatory for most heterosexual men to prefer biological women?

Prefer sexually? No. Discriminatory but totally unoffensive, we all discriminate sexually.

Prefer as a person? Yes.

And again, this has nothing to do with preference or lack of sexual preference. It has to do with repulsion or lack of "tolerance". You're conflating the two on purpose.

[Shardlake]

Bull****.

You can always tell a real woman from a ******.

Listen you odious little bigot, you cannot.

Ever seen the crying game?

Please watch it

[Livia]

You can be accepting of someone's lifestyle choices without fancying them.

[stonedape]

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2007/11/12/va1237276890345/Transsexual-AFP-5746728.jpg

Transexual ^ And it's only going to get more confusing past 2010 :joker:

[SoBig]

Just thank God that you were fortunate to not be born where you spent your childhood agonising over your gender and sexuality. Also that you never have children born with the same problem.

Thats when they should go and get psychological help.

[lostalex]

Prefer sexually? No. Discriminatory but totally unoffensive, we all discriminate sexually.

Prefer as a person? Yes.

And again, this has nothing to do with preference or lack of sexual preference. It has to do with repulsion or lack of "tolerance". You're conflating the two on purpose.

i dont know what "conflating" means. google it for me plzzz.

[Shardlake]

Thats when they should go and get psychological help.

When you mentally picture someone having a sex change, do you imagine them nipping over to the Drs surgery and saying 'hey doc I fancy being a woman today, cut my cock off and give me some tits love'.


The process involves years of psychological evaluations, medication, pain (physical and mental) and years and years of counselling before and after.

[lostalex]

Listen you odious little bigot, you cannot.

Ever seen the crying game?

Please watch it


the crying game?? omg, could you be anymore stereotypical??? and you have the nerve to call someone else a "bigot"???? seriously???

[lostalex]

Can we all plz calm down?, i don't want my thread to be locked plzzzz.

[SoBig]

Listen you odious little bigot, you cannot.

Ever seen the crying game?

Please watch it
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7866/laff.gif @ bringing up a movie.

[Shardlake]

the crying game?? omg, could you be anymore stereotypical??? and you have the nerve to call someone else a "bigot"???? seriously???

Not quite sure what point you are trying to make to be honest.


There is a transexual in that movie that for the majority of the film you think is a bonafide woman...which kinda gets my point across.

If a grown man saw that when it first came out and says they did not fancy the transexual before the reveal they are lying.

[stonedape]

i dont know what "conflating" means. google it for me plzzz.

it means "mixing" basically. In this case, you're mixing the idea that you shouldn't have to be attracted to transsexuals with the idea that you shouldn't have to tolerate them. One is ignorant, one isn't.

[Shardlake]

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7866/laff.gif @ bringing up a movie.

The transexual in the film is what I was refering to you little fool

Shall we play a little game?

I'll post a picture and you guess whether the person is female or a man (not even a post op)

Can you take that level of embarrassment ?

[lostalex]

well let me make something clear, i don't believe you should "tolerate" anyone. i believe every human being has a right to live on this earth in safety and peace just as anyone else. no one should be "tolerated", everyone should be ACCEPTED.

My only point is about trying to demonize str8 men or anyone else for not accepting nadia as a woman.

We al accept Nadia as a human with all the same rights and responsibilties that all humans have. but for someone to not accept her as a woman, is that offensive. that's what i'm asking

[SoBig]

Not quite sure what point you are trying to make to be honest.


There is a transexual in that movie that for the majority of the film you think is a bonafide woman...which kinda gets my point across.

If a grown man saw that when it first came out and says they did not fancy the transexual before the reveal they are lying.

Now, thanks for spoiling it. :bored:

[stonedape]

well let me make something clear, i don't believe you should "tolerate" anyone. i believe every human being has a right to live on this earth in safety and peace just as anyone else. no one should be "tolerated", everyone should be ACCEPTED.

My only point is about trying to demonize str8 men or anyone else for not accepting nadia as a woman.



"It's easy for str8 women and gay men to be tolerant of people like Nadia, but do we honestly think that Nadia is attractive to true heterosexual men?"


I hate the word too, but these were the concepts you were mixing together. Tolerance vs. Attraction.

[SoBig]

The transexual in the film is what I was refering to you little fool

Shall we play a little game?

I'll post a picture and you guess whether the person is female or a man (not even a post op)

Can you take that level of embarrassment ?
hahah

Its easy to spot a ******. Look for signs of plastic surgery, hips, hands, throat etc.

They are very easy to spot.

[lostalex]

I don't see Nadia as a woman. I see her as i see a lot of other people that have obscene amounts of plastic surgery. like michael jackson, or joan rivers.

or Pete burns to put it in a more BB universe context.

[Grimnir]

The transexual in the film is what I was refering to you little fool

Shall we play a little game?

I'll post a picture and you guess whether the person is female or a man (not even a post op)

Can you take that level of embarrassment ?


as long as all the pics are hotties I wanna play :thumbs:

no uglies like spud face Nadia

[stonedape]

hahah

Its easy to spot a ******. Look for signs of plastic surgery, hips, hands, throat etc.

They are very easy to spot.

But what about biological women with plastic surgery, huge hands, an adam's apple, a manly face etc?

case study: http://www.algorelabs.com/images/coulterann-adamsapple.jpg :joker:

[lostalex]

oh don't get me started on ann coulter.. LOL talk about disturbing the hornet's nest... LOL

[lostalex]

Not quite sure what point you are trying to make to be honest.


There is a transexual in that movie that for the majority of the film you think is a bonafide woman...which kinda gets my point across.

If a grown man saw that when it first came out and says they did not fancy the transexual before the reveal they are lying.

You know justas well as i do that referncing he crying game is incredibly stereotypical. you think Nadia wouldn't take offense to referncing the cryign game?

it would be like saying to a black person "i understand black people, cause i saw ROOTS" gimme a break.

you can't understand someone based on a MOVIE dude. don't you see how that's offensive??

People are INDIVIDUALS. that's the whole point. that's the ENTIRE point.

[Shardlake]

You know justas well as i do that referncing he crying game is incredibly stereotypical. you think Nadia wouldn't take offense to referncing the cryign game?

it would be like saying to a black person "i understand black people, cause i saw ROOTS" gimme a break.

you can't understand someone based on a MOVIE dude. don't you see how that's offensive??

People are INDIVIDUALS. that's the whole point. that's the ENTIRE point.

shut up you quim, I was making the point that you cannot tell the difference between a transexual and someone born a female just from sight.

The Crying Game illustrates my point perfectly.

End

[Livia]

You know justas well as i do that referncing he crying game is incredibly stereotypical. you think Nadia wouldn't take offense to referncing the cryign game?

it would be like saying to a black person "i understand black people, cause i saw ROOTS" gimme a break.

you can't understand someone based on a MOVIE dude. don't you see how that's offensive??

People are INDIVIDUALS. that's the whole point. that's the ENTIRE point.

Excellent post lostalex.

[Shardlake]

Man or woman?

[lostalex]

i'm not here to play games.

[Shardlake]

i'm not here to play games.

wasnt even aimed at you you bellend, take your soap box elsewhere

[SoBig]

Man or woman?

Adriana Lima is 100% woman. Nice try tho. :xyxwave:

[Grimnir]

Man or woman?


I dont know its too small for me to see so I cant wank to it

post a bigger pic

edit I just notice I can click it to make it bigger, give me a few minutes...

[Shardlake]

Adriana Lima is 100% woman. Nice try tho. :xyxwave:

Ah so you are a frequenter of teenage wank mags ok

[Livia]

Ah so you are a frequenter of teenage wank mags ok

As are you, evidently.

[Shardlake]

As are you, evidently.

Er no

[SoBig]

Ah so you are a frequenter of teenage wank mags ok

She is a model. FAIL. Like every one of your post has been. A total fail.

[Grimnir]

Ah so you are a frequenter of teenage wank mags ok

mags were good wen i was a boy but now i prefer internet pron as i dont have to turn my head and get a stiff neck

[lostalex]

let's try to keep things on topic please. this thread is a question. Is it "transphobic" for heterosexual men to not be attracted to transexual women BECAUSE they are transexual.

that's the question i'm interested in.

[Shardlake]

She is a model. FAIL. Like every one of your post has been. A total fail.

Rightio you odious little wank stain, i'm just not really up on glamour models or whatever else she may be

You clearly have a repository of obscure females that you lech over on a regular basis so i'll leave you in your bigoted ways:xyxwave:

[lostalex]

Rightio you odious little wank stain, i'm just not really up on glamour models or whatever else she may be

You clearly have a repository of obscure females that you lech over on a regular basis so i'll leave you in your bigoted ways:xyxwave:

i've already asked more than once for you to stay on topic. maybe you are trying to get my thread closed on purpose. i don't appreciate that.

be nice.

[SoBig]

Rightio you odious little wank stain, i'm just not really up on glamour models or whatever else she may be

You clearly have a repository of obscure females that you lech over on a regular basis so i'll leave you in your bigoted ways:xyxwave:

haha. I'm guessing you're a ******? Am I right?

[SoBig]

i've already asked more than once for you to stay on topic. maybe you are trying to get my thread closed on purpose. i don't appreciate that.
Yeah, I suggest we stop replying to his/her post. Its clearly a troll.

[lostalex]

haha. I'm guessing you're a ******? Am I right?


be nice.

[fuzzylovin]

Everyone to there own, there is always someone in the world that will find a person attractive.

[Shardlake]

haha. I'm guessing you're a ******? Am I right?

oh aye and i'm sat here in a thong and high heels too big boy

[lostalex]

Everyone to there own, there is always someone in the world that will find a person attractive.

cutest sig ever. <3

[Grimnir]

it depends on whether they are attractive...




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I would ^^^





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erm no thanks ^^^

[Niamh.]

like lostalex said, stay on topic and quit the insults or the thread will be locked

[Chilltown]

I would NOT feel comfortable being sexual or in a relationship with a transexual. Call me crazy, but that's just how I am. Not that I am opposed to them in general, it's just not my thing.

[InOne]

You can tell a transexual a mile off. They don't have the hourglass figure women do.

[cub]

Why have looks and sexual appeal have anything to do with Nadia's sexuality or gender preference?

[lostalex]

Why have looks and sexual appeal have anything to do with Nadia's sexuality or gender preference?


don't "looks and sexual appeal" have a lot to do with yur sexuality?

i know they do mine...

[Saph]

By touch do you mean sex or literally just touch?

[lostalex]

By touch do you mean sex or literally just touch?


both.

btw, love the jackie sig!!!

[Saph]

both.

btw, love the jackie sig!!!

lol thanks xD

I wouldnt say 99.9% wouldnt touch her, I think its probably around 10% wouldnt physically touch her and perhaps about 85% wouldnt have sex with her. (remember alot of people are quite desperate, i.e. Andrew).

I do think its unfair to poke fun at Nadia's choise of lifestyle but I see what your saying, its like if i said i would never touch someone with messy hair; because I wouldnt xD

[30stone]

I've seen countless numbers of women who were born as straight females that are far far uglier.

When she is done up all ready to go out or whatever, there is not a man on here who would say no if she randomly came up to you in a club and you didnt know her history, offering you a night of unbridled, kinky sex. You simply would not guess (despite what you will obviously say) that she was born a man.

FACT

I would say no, even if i didnt know she used to be a bloke, just based on the fact she is horrible looking.

[Shardlake]

I would say no, even if i didnt know she used to be a bloke, just based on the fact she is horrible looking.

I've bowed out of this thread

But I beg to differ, lagered up and with mates you would at least cop a feel in the taxi rank

[Bigbrofan25]

This thread should have been closed riddled with transphobia

[lostalex]

This thread should have been closed riddled with transphobia

So i guess because yur mind is closed, you think this thread should be aswell. :freak:

[lostalex]

actually we had a pretty good conversation in here, thank goodness you were sleeping. i bet you'd be clicking yur "report" button like an old lady that slipped in the toilet.

[Jamietwo]

I would say no, even if i didnt know she used to be a bloke, just based on the fact she is horrible looking.

would you do naked squats over my face for 10,000 for example

[keithafc]

I wish people would stop thinking of Nadia as a female. He is NOT a female. He acts like a male, a lot of his body language is that of a male. You would not need to be told he has surgery to work it out.

He is a male, just looks like a female. I hope this does not upset anyone but lets get a grasp of reality. Biologically, he is a male.

[Mr XcX]

This OP is asking an Intelligent and interesting question. Would straight men date Nadia????

I think the only "goodlooking" men that would date Nadia would be good diggers!!

[SoBig]

I wish people would stop thinking of Nadia as a female. He is NOT a female. He acts like a male, a lot of his body language is that of a male. You would not need to be told he has surgery to work it out.

He is a male, just looks like a female. I hope this does not upset anyone but lets get a grasp of reality. Biologically, he is a male.
Who cares if they get upset. What you said is 100% truth.

[Bigbrofan25]

Who cares if they get upset. What you said is 100% truth.

And you wouldn`t care if some biggot called a black person the N word then

Legally nadia is a woman by law she was born a man yes but is now a woman deal with it

[Sammi_Who]

That the vast majority, like 99% of heterosexual men would never EVER touch Nadia?

Why do we act like we live in such an accepting society, when we all know this is the truth?

Do you call all men who wouldn't be attracted to Nadia BECAUSE she's a post-op ******, does that make them "transphobic?"

Why do we pretend that str8 men would ever be attracted to that?

I think alot of people on this website, are being Idealistic and Naive.

It's easy for str8 women and gay men to be tolerant of people like Nadia, but do we honestly think that Nadia is attractive to true heterosexual men?

And, is it WRONG for heterosexual men to not be attracted to her? I don't think it is.

I dont know wether or not i feel comfortable even saying this, because i have nothing against transexuals at all. But if someone is unaccepting of Nadia's past, then i dont think it makes that "transphobic" at all. Its a silly notion, but i have heard that view! :shocked: Heterosexual men that hold the above view probably get slammed with the "ignorance" tag. And tbh i dont think its fair. If someone doesnt find her attractive, they dont find her attractive. Chances are if Nadia or other transexuals in general are with someone, they should open up about it and be honest straight away. Some dont as its reported and thats when the problems start. I think its a grey area. Some heterosexual men may not care, but if it bothers someone it bothers someone!

[StGeorge]

Legally nadia is a woman by law she was born a man yes but is now a woman deal with it

Daft Laws

Here is a list of the UK's top 10 most ridiculous British laws :

1. It is illegal to die in the Houses of Parliament

2. It is an act of treason to place a postage stamp bearing the British king or queen's image upside-down

3. It is illegal for a woman to be topless in Liverpool except as a clerk in a tropical fish store

4. Eating mince pies on Christmas Day is banned

5. If someone knocks on your door in Scotland and requires the use of your toilet, you are required to let them enter

6. In the UK a pregnant woman can legally relieve herself anywhere she wants, including in a policeman's helmet

7. The head of any dead whale found on the British coast automatically becomes the property of the King, and the tail of the Queen

8. It is illegal not to tell the tax man anything you do not want him to know, but legal not to tell him information you do not mind him knowing

9. It is illegal to enter the Houses of Parliament wearing a suit of armour

10. It is legal to murder a Scotsman within the ancient city walls of York, but only if he is carrying a bow and arrow


To some..many Laws are daft....deal with it. :devil:

[Jamietwo]

it's a big deal though having your cock cut off ....that's like more than getting a tattoo done.

[SoBig]

And you wouldn`t care if some biggot called a black person the N word then

I'm not even going to bother touching that.


Legally nadia is a woman by law she was born a man yes but is now a woman deal with it
Nadia's biological make up is that of a man. Nothing will ever change that. NOTHING. No amount of plastic surgery. Nothing.

If Nadia is a a woman, why can't she have children? why doesn't she get monthly periods? Why doesn't she have a womb?

[MrWong]

I'm not even going to bother touching that.


Nadia's biological make up is that of a man. Nothing will ever change that. NOTHING. No amount of plastic surgery. Nothing.

If Nadia is a a woman, why can't she have children? why doesn't she get monthly periods? Why doesn't she have a womb?

That's such a feeble argument. :nono:

Lots of women can't have children and don't have monthly periods. Are they not women now? How about women going through the menopause, are they no longer women because they stop having periods?

Being classed as a woman doesn't solely depend on whether they bleed once a month.

Nadia was born into the wrong body, it happens.

Some of this thread reads like a caveman convention. :sleep:

[Livia]

And you wouldn`t care if some biggot called a black person the N word then

Legally nadia is a woman by law she was born a man yes but is now a woman deal with it

The first sentence of your post is ridiculous...

Nadia is not a woman. Nadia is a male to female transsexual. Nadia knows what she is, we know what she is... I don't have a problem with Nadia's lifestyle choice, it's up to her. But it's daft to insist she's a woman when she will never be rid of that Y chromosome.

[Livia]

That's such a feeble argument. :nono:

Lots of women can't have children and don't have monthly periods. Are they not women now? How about women going through the menopause, are they no longer women because they stop having periods?

Being classed as a woman doesn't solely depend on whether they bleed once a month.



No you're right. Being a woman doesn't depend on menstruation. It depends on whether you have XX chromosomes like females do, or XY cromosomes like men - and Nadia - have.

We can accept Nadia as she is, which I do. But you can't insist that people imagine she's a woman, because she's not. She is a transsexual.

[Shiner]

I'm a straight male and I'm attracted to FEMALES. Not men that had surgery to make their appearance to look like that of a female.

How do you know? If the physical appearance is the same (presuming an androgynous type and not a brickie in stilettos) then is it chromosomes you don't fancy or what?

[Shiner]

Nadia's not jewish. i'm just saying, nadia' is repulsive in many ways that have nothing to do with her hormone pills and plastic surgery, but we get called transhobic for pointing thoe things out...

Vanessa Feltz is a minority for being jewish obviously, but if we point out the same things about vanessa, her manly figure and sergeries, no one would presume we are attacking her just because of her minority status.

Like most of your others in this thread, an excellent post.
BB has become a very superficial show which attracts a certain following (intelegent HMs are automatically branded as boring) your question requires a level of reflection which may a little complex for some. Nice try though.

[Shiner]

I'm not even going to bother touching that.


Nadia's biological make up is that of a man. Nothing will ever change that. NOTHING. No amount of plastic surgery. Nothing.

If Nadia is a a woman, why can't she have children? why doesn't she get monthly periods? Why doesn't she have a womb?

Yikes!

[Shiner]

This thread should have been closed riddled with transphobia

Oh the irony.

[Shiner]

The first sentence of your post is ridiculous...

Nadia is not a woman. Nadia is a male to female transsexual. Nadia knows what she is, we know what she is... I don't have a problem with Nadia's lifestyle choice, it's up to her. But it's daft to insist she's a woman when she will never be rid of that Y chromosome.

I don't know Nadia's story but I'd question whether or not it is just a "lifestyle choice".

[Livia]

I don't know Nadia's story but I'd question whether or not it is just a "lifestyle choice".

I don't know Nadia's story either, but somewhere along the line she made the choice to change her sex. It can't have been an easy choice and I don't have a problem with how she chooses to live her life. That's what I meant, as you probably know.

[Shiner]

I don't know Nadia's story either, but somewhere along the line she made the choice to change her sex. It can't have been an easy choice and I don't have a problem with how she chooses to live her life. That's what I meant, as you probably know.

I dare say that the "choice" was made before she was even born when sadly something went wrong in the code during development and her physical self and her mental self took different gender paths. Her choice (if you can call it that) was to try and redress the balance. I doubt she's done it for the lifestyle, but you never know.

[Livia]

I dare say that the "choice" was made before she was even born when sadly something went wrong in the code during development and her physical self and her mental self took different gender paths. Her choice (if you can call it that) was to try and redress the balance. I doubt she's done it for the lifestyle, but you never know.

I think that we really think alike about it but that semantics are making it look like we differ more than we do. The "choice" to which I refer is the choice of whether to have the surgery or not and therefore follow a lifestyle based on living as a female. That choice was not made before she was born, she made it because something was obviously not aligned in what you call the "gender code", and I agree. I'm not putting her down. All I'm saying is that she can never be a complete woman, but that I support the decision she made. I doubt anyone would make that choice lightly, and the lifestyle she has must be a difficult one at times.

[Shiner]

I think that we really think alike about it but that semantics are making it look like we differ more than we do. The "choice" to which I refer is the choice of whether to have the surgery or not and therefore follow a lifestyle based on living as a female. That choice was not made before she was born, she made it because something was obviously not aligned in what you call the "gender code", and I agree. I'm not putting her down. All I'm saying is that she can never be a complete woman, but that I support the decision she made. I doubt anyone would make that choice lightly, and the lifestyle she has must be a difficult one at times.

:thumbs: :hug: