How can we change this fµcked-up world?

[Captain.Remy]

Let's get into another debate which will be very interesting to read as I do believe that there are a lot of bright minds in this forum that I think would be interested posting their thoughts regarding another controversial issue.

I do think that much of what has been going on with the world today has to do with our system of beliefs, i.e., religion and/or adopted ancient cultures, democracy, communism, etc.

Obviously, the world is not at its best right now, hunger, poverty, pollution, corruption, environmental disasters, etc. the list goes on and on and on.

So let’s hear it guys. If the current world leaders can’t come up with a solution (or do you think there is a solution?), let’s try yours. :hugesmile:

[Rob]

War is not the answer!

[Scarlett.]

You can't, it's always been the same, sure we have technology now, but humans have always been the same

[pinkmichk]

i dont think you can its not a recent thing really humans are just set on their own distruction

[arista]

Let's get into another debate which will be very interesting to read as I do believe that there are a lot of bright minds in this forum that I think would be interested posting their thoughts regarding another controversial issue.

I do think that much of what has been going on with the world today has to do with our system of beliefs, i.e., religion and/or adopted ancient cultures, democracy, communism, etc.

Obviously, the world is not at its best right now, hunger, poverty, pollution, corruption, environmental disasters, etc. the list goes on and on and on.

So let’s hear it guys. If the current world leaders can’t come up with a solution (or do you think there is a solution?), let’s try yours. :hugesmile:


World War 3
would change it all.

[arista]

i dont think you can its not a recent thing really humans are just set on their own distruction



Yes its the Circles Of Time.





Life In The Fast Lane.

[WOMBAI]

Let's get into another debate which will be very interesting to read as I do believe that there are a lot of bright minds in this forum that I think would be interested posting their thoughts regarding another controversial issue.

I do think that much of what has been going on with the world today has to do with our system of beliefs, i.e., religion and/or adopted ancient cultures, democracy, communism, etc.

Obviously, the world is not at its best right now, hunger, poverty, pollution, corruption, environmental disasters, etc. the list goes on and on and on.

So let’s hear it guys. If the current world leaders can’t come up with a solution (or do you think there is a solution?), let’s try yours. :hugesmile:

Educate men like Arista that women don't exist on this earth to serve men like him - and that, in a progressive society like we live in today, women have choices - whether men like him like it or not! In fact, bugger all they can do about it - so I suggest they quickly learn how to look after themselves including boiling their own eggs! Sigh!

[arista]

Educate men like Arista that women don't exist on this earth to serve men like him - and that, in a progressive society like we live in today, women have choices - whether men like him like it or not! In fact, bugger all they can do about it - so I suggest they quickly learn how to look after themselves including boiling their own eggs! Sigh!



You need to Relax more.

[Zippy]

There is no way back now. The western worlds greed relies on the third worlds poverty. Which means the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer.

Humans are selfish bastards. Thats the problem with the world.

[Locke.]

Build more Arista's and send them into Iraq

[Shaun]

Anal.

[arista]

Build more Arista's and send them into Iraq


Yes ,
but of course soon it will be
Iraqi's in control of the mess the Yanks have left them.

[arista]

Anal.


That won't solve it
As some Women do not like Anal Sex.

[Angus]

I remember a scene from "The Time Machine" (original version) when the Time Traveller arrives way into the future where everybody is equal, everybody shares everything and there is no longer any competition or rivalry, but at a price. Evolution has made all humans clones of each other, so there is no longer any individuality or reason to strive for anything. It is Utopia.

There was a scene where someone is drowning in the river, and the rest of the people on the riverbank are just watching on, emotionless and uncaring. The premise being that since everyone is exactly the same, the loss of one of them is no big deal, and human life is not valued at all. The Time Traveller dives into the river and saves the girl, but there is no reaction, good or bad from the bystanders, they have evolved to their present state by eliminating feelings and emotions.

Somewhere in all that is the message that the solution can sometimes be worse than the problem.

[arista]

I remember a scene from "The Time Machine" (original version) when the Time Traveller arrives way into the future where everybody is equal, everybody shares everything and there is no longer any competition or rivalry, but at a price. Evolution has made all humans clones of each other, so there is no longer any individuality or reason to strive for anything. It is Utopia.

There was a scene where someone is drowning in the river, and the rest of the people on the riverbank are just watching on, emotionless and uncaring. The premise being that since everyone is exactly the same, the loss of one of them is no big deal, and human life is not valued at all. The Time Traveller dives into the river and saves the girl, but there is no reaction, good or bad from the bystanders, they have evolved to their present state by eliminating feelings and emotions.

Somewhere in all that is the message that the solution can sometimes be worse than the problem.



Yes a Great Film
I bought it on DVD.
Rod Taylor 1960.

[WOMBAI]

I remember a scene from "The Time Machine" (original version) when the Time Traveller arrives way into the future where everybody is equal, everybody shares everything and there is no longer any competition or rivalry, but at a price. Evolution has made all humans clones of each other, so there is no longer any individuality or reason to strive for anything. It is Utopia.

There was a scene where someone is drowning in the river, and the rest of the people on the riverbank are just watching on, emotionless and uncaring. The premise being that since everyone is exactly the same, the loss of one of them is no big deal, and human life is not valued at all. The Time Traveller dives into the river and saves the girl, but there is no reaction, good or bad from the bystanders, they have evolved to their present state by eliminating feelings and emotions.

Somewhere in all that is the message that the solution can sometimes be worse than the problem.

Personally - I see nothing wrong with recognising certain differences between men and women, and indeed rejoicing in them, as some of these differences ie femininity and masculinity are what attract men and women to each other - but they should not be used as reasons for treating them differently and trying to isolate women from certain positions in life or attempting to intimidate them from following certain paths in life - which has long been the case!

[Zippy]

Build more Arista's and send them into Iraq

No. Lets just send the current Arista to Iraq. Preferrably dressed like this...

http://www.cityentree.com/restaurants/gallery/fun/9327/thumb/thumb_overlook_unclesam_1_640_7857.jpg

[Angus]

Yes a Great Film
I bought it on DVD.
Rod Taylor 1960.

That's the one - fab film, and remained true to the H.G. Wells book without being too pedantic about it.

[arista]

That's the one - fab film, and remained true to the H.G. Wells book without being too pedantic about it.


I hope it comes out on BluRay

[BB_Eye]

I take the neo-Platonic view that the reason society will never be equal is because when we attempt this, humans in their frailty and flawed nature, can only conjure a weak imitation of their ideals at best.

There are a lot of common sense things which I would say could alleviate suffering in the world. The best thing Western society can do right now is give up on its vane crusade for democracy around the world and lift its aid embargoes on desperately poor countries that were enforced for these reasons. Human rights hardly figures into it when people are struggling to stay alive.

At home, I just want to see an end to the relentless ideological attack on the public sector and nationalisation of any kind from the media and all mainstream parties. Both of which are desperately out of touch with the interests and needs of the public. I also want the law changed in such a way that will make life extremely difficult for any sort of bully and have bullying recognised and frowned upon to the same extent as sexual harassment. I can't even begin to describe how much they are the root of society's ills.

[MTVN]

The world isnt perfect, and it never will be, but it's closer to it right now than it ever has been before.

[Captain.Remy]

Some interesting views out there, I'm quite glad the thread took off well.

I generally think changes cannot be made by only one generation, nor 2. I think it takes time but the sooner the better. Were people happier before than nowadays ? People tend to say yes because it was less superficial, less technology, less individualism but I think we, as humans, have showed enough intelligence to make some parts of life better and taking lessons from our past. So I can't see why we cannot apply this intelligence to solve a few issues.

For example, an extra 6% on everyone's annual tax would guarantee the end of famine in Africa. Would you be happy to pay it? I would be annoyed of course but it's a harm for the better. I just think it's time to take into ourselves and take advantage from our skills to solve issues. And take that from a guy who isn't so keen on charity and stuff.

[Tom]

free cake for everyone (apart from fatties who can get a nice fruit salad instead)

[Smithy]

Feed the poor to the hungry and solve to of the worlds problems

[Shasown]

Feed the poor to the hungry and solve to of the worlds problems

Why not feed the rich to the hungry and redistribute their wealth accordingly.

Would also get rid of the selfish brats who think Daddy's money makes them something special.

[Smithy]

Why not feed the rich to the hungray and redistribute their wealth accordingly.

Would also get rid of the selfish brats who think Daddy's money makes them something special.

Ok then, do that.

[arista]

For a Start
No more Money for Greece.

Take them out of the €uro
Wipe them Clean.

Change them to Dollars.

[Tom4784]

*wipes a tear of laughter away*

I love you Arista.

[arista]

*wipes a tear of laughter away*

I love you Arista.


your not so bad
Youself
Dezzy.

[MTVN]

Some interesting views out there, I'm quite glad the thread took off well.

I generally think changes cannot be made by only one generation, nor 2. I think it takes time but the sooner the better. Were people happier before than nowadays ? People tend to say yes because it was less superficial, less technology, less individualism but I think we, as humans, have showed enough intelligence to make some parts of life better and taking lessons from our past. So I can't see why we cannot apply this intelligence to solve a few issues.

For example, an extra 6% on everyone's annual tax would guarantee the end of famine in Africa. Would you be happy to pay it? I would be annoyed of course but it's a harm for the better. I just think it's time to take into ourselves and take advantage from our skills to solve issues. And take that from a guy who isn't so keen on charity and stuff.

Money alone wont solve Africa's problems though

[Angus]

Some interesting views out there, I'm quite glad the thread took off well.

I generally think changes cannot be made by only one generation, nor 2. I think it takes time but the sooner the better. Were people happier before than nowadays ? People tend to say yes because it was less superficial, less technology, less individualism but I think we, as humans, have showed enough intelligence to make some parts of life better and taking lessons from our past. So I can't see why we cannot apply this intelligence to solve a few issues.

For example, an extra 6% on everyone's annual tax would guarantee the end of famine in Africa. Would you be happy to pay it? I would be annoyed of course but it's a harm for the better. I just think it's time to take into ourselves and take advantage from our skills to solve issues. And take that from a guy who isn't so keen on charity and stuff.

We have been throwing money at Africa for decades and until the corruption and fraud that exists in dictatorships is tackled it is futile donating any more.
Once funds are sent to a country it is then under the control of whatever regime happens to be in power.

[Captain.Remy]

Money alone wont solve Africa's problems though

No but I believe in the saying "Love does much, Money does more".
Of course money doesn't buy everything, but let's face it, Africa needs money. Now the problem is how to make the people benefit that money and stop corruption because that's possibly the worst part of it.
It's all great making wonderful happy pink pony songs about how we should help Africa...yet that doesn't help anything at all.

But on a general basis, I think the world needs more concrete, decent, meaningful, reality based decisions.

[arista]

Money alone wont solve Africa's problems though


True.


China is there now
taking Metals and Loads more

[arista]

We have been throwing money at Africa for decades and until the corruption and fraud that exists in dictatorships is tackled it is futile donating any more.
Once funds are sent to a country it is then under the control of whatever regime happens to be in power.


Now China is there
in Africa digging up all the metals and the like.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

peter griffin

[Angus]

No but I believe in the saying "Love does much, Money does more".
Of course money doesn't buy everything, but let's face it, Africa needs money. Now the problem is how to make the people benefit that money and stop corruption because that's possibly the worst part of it.
It's all great making wonderful happy pink pony songs about how we should help Africa...yet that doesn't help anything at all.

But on a general basis, I think the world needs more concrete, decent, meaningful, reality based decisions.

Unfortunately, the dictatorships that exist in a lot of African countries are responsible for the poverty and starvation of their own people, and there is precious little that the western world can do bar going to war to remove those regimes. I'm sure if oil were discovered in Zimbabwe for instance, the USA would be first in there to "liberate" the oppressed peoples, whilst bagging the oilfields for themselves:rolleyes:

[Captain.Remy]

Unfortunately, the dictatorships that exist in a lot of African countries are responsible for the poverty and starvation of their own people, and there is precious little that the western world can do bar going to war to remove those regimes. I'm sure if oil were discovered in Zimbabwe for instance, the USA would be first in there to "liberate" the oppressed peoples, whilst bagging the oilfields for themselves:rolleyes:

Good point - another thing I don't agree with the Western World (read USA). But that's typical from them, they can't look anywhere past their nose and it's sad as they're the biggest nation in the world.

I just think it's not going to end, this process is not going to end and this is why we need world leaders with humongous pairs of balls to take over the dumb asses we currently have. The cycle needs to be broken somehow, not just for Africa.

[Captain.Remy]

peter griffin

American Dad > Family Guy.

yep, that's right !

[BB_Eye]

We have been throwing money at Africa for decades and until the corruption and fraud that exists in dictatorships is tackled it is futile donating any more.
Once funds are sent to a country it is then under the control of whatever regime happens to be in power.
A country which spent centuries creating domestic wealth by exploiting foreign colonies barely living up to a target of spending 0.7% of our annual GDP on foreign aid is hardly what I would call throwing money at Africa.

[Angus]

A country which spent centuries creating domestic wealth by exploiting foreign colonies barely living up to a target of spending 0.7% of our annual GDP on foreign aid is hardly what I would call throwing money at Africa.

It wouldn't matter if we spent 70% of our annual GDP on foreign aid since it would still not be deployed to the intended target, but would find its way into the private coffers of corrupt officials in corrupt regimes. There has to be a much more radical intervention than a purely financial one, but what some might view as liberation, would be viewed by others as invasion and occupation, so you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't.

[BB_Eye]

It wouldn't matter if we spent 70% of our annual GDP on foreign aid since it would still not be deployed to the intended target, but would find its way into the private coffers of corrupt officials in corrupt regimes. There has to be a much more radical intervention than a purely financial one, but what some might view as liberation, would be viewed by others as invasion and occupation, so you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't.
Well it's no secret that corruption is rife in developing countries and recipients of foreign aid. The worst offender is North Korea, which spends an obscene proportion of its money on the military. I'm still not convinced that this is a good enough reason for this country not to even meet the UN's international aid target. The US is the worst offender on this count. Foreign aid is prone to misuse, but it also saves lives and even improve people's quality of life in the long term.

[Angus]

Well it's no secret that corruption is rife in developing countries and recipients of foreign aid. The worst offender is North Korea, which spends an obscene proportion of its money on the military. I'm still not convinced that this is a good enough reason for this country not to even meet the UN's international aid target. The US is the worst offender on this count. Foreign aid is prone to misuse, but it also saves lives and even improve people's quality of life in the long term.

I agree that something drastic needs to be done, and when I was talking about money being flung at these countries, I was also referring to the millions that have been raised without government help, such as Live Aid etc. People are becoming more cynical since the money just seems to be a drop in the ocean, but whereas we were once a rich and prosperous nation, those days are long gone. The USA are the biggest scavengers on the planet and the least generous and altruistic. Per capita they contribute the least.

[Grimnir]

Z23fZSa-QY4

[abbey97]

Stop the war for a starter as we are all humans, whats the point in killing half the worlds population over some disagreements. The saying 'fight your own battles' must not be known to the gouverments and the states of many different countries as all they do is drag in their armies to battle for them, killing the lifes of many innocent people!

[arista]

Z23fZSa-QY4


Yes World War 3
could do that.