View Full Version : Tonight's hot debate: full-body scanners in airports.
Captain.Remy
13-09-2010, 05:26 PM
Many airports are now using full-body scanners. How do you feel about going through a scanner that can actually see through your clothes ?
Discuss.
InOne
13-09-2010, 05:29 PM
If it stops some idiot blowing people up then I don't see a problem with it.
Ramsay
13-09-2010, 05:31 PM
If it stops some idiot blowing people up then I don't see a problem with it.
yeah i agree with this
If it makes air travel safer then I couldn't care less if the airport folk get a look at me doos!
Chels
13-09-2010, 05:34 PM
What Joe said.
I'm not shy anyway xD joke!
Jords
13-09-2010, 05:37 PM
I think Id feel a bit uncomfortable but it would soon pass after a few mins when you realise everybody around ya is getting it done.
LOL if somebody had a hard on whilst walking through xD
GypsyGoth
13-09-2010, 05:38 PM
I think it's a bit crepy but I understand the need for them.
arista
13-09-2010, 05:38 PM
Many airports are now using full-body scanners. How do you feel about going through a scanner that can actually see through your clothes ?
Discuss.
Hot Debate - you are having a Laugh.
Old Debate.
Everyone , English Folks that is,
have no problem with them.
Case Closed
arista
13-09-2010, 05:40 PM
I think it's a bit crepy but I understand the need for them.
Its to stop You getting Bombed and Killed on a Plane. It is Common Sense.
I think you need to think about this.
I think Id feel a bit uncomfortable but it would soon pass after a few mins when you realise everybody around ya is getting it done.
LOL if somebody had a hard on whilst walking through xD
More worrying if the x-ray guy has one :laugh:
arista
13-09-2010, 05:41 PM
I think Id feel a bit uncomfortable but it would soon pass after a few mins when you realise everybody around ya is getting it done.
LOL if somebody had a hard on whilst walking through xD
Nothing Wrong with a Hard On.
arista
13-09-2010, 05:42 PM
More worrying if the x-ray guy has one :laugh:
No She will Not.
Chels
13-09-2010, 05:43 PM
More worrying if the x-ray guy has one :laugh:
Lmfao :laugh:
MarkWaldorf
13-09-2010, 05:46 PM
I don't think it's even 'i'm too shy to do it', it's actually a really big invasion of a person's privacy. But then again, it'll always cop down to those who are confident enough and those who are too insecure. Passengers have a choice, right?
Captain.Remy
13-09-2010, 05:46 PM
I don't think it's even 'i'm too shy to do it', it's actually a really big invasion of a person's privacy. But then again, it'll always cop down to those who are confident enough and those who are too insecure. Passengers have a choice, right?
What are you doing here ?:shocked:
Captain.Remy
13-09-2010, 05:46 PM
Hot Debate - you are having a Laugh.
Old Debate.
Everyone , English Folks that is,
have no problem with them.
Case Closed
It's a hot debate if I want it to be. :hugesmile:
MarkWaldorf
13-09-2010, 05:48 PM
What are you doing here ?:shocked:
i could sense a really hot debate brewing
Captain.Remy
13-09-2010, 05:49 PM
i could sense a really hot debate brewing
lmao. you've missed a good one about anal vs oral. Shaun was really active in this one. :laugh:
welcome back then. :hugesmile:
Angus
13-09-2010, 05:52 PM
I've got no problem with it, but then again I remember travelling to Israel years ago, and being strip searched by female Israeli soldiers at customs, and I mean "searched" in every conceivable orifice! These days people who get on their high horses about the invasion of their privacy, need to get a grip and understand it HAS to be done - if anything I would say, it's about time.
Shasown
13-09-2010, 05:55 PM
lmao. you've missed a good one about anal vs oral. Shaun was really active in this one. :laugh:
welcome back then. :hugesmile:
Think I must have missed that one too, was he giving or receiving?
Nah, I dont have a problem with it at all.
Those with nothing to hide, have nothing to worry about
arista
13-09-2010, 06:00 PM
I don't think it's even 'i'm too shy to do it', it's actually a really big invasion of a person's privacy. But then again, it'll always cop down to those who are confident enough and those who are too insecure. Passengers have a choice, right?
Choice?
What you want? a Firm man to Pat you Down
is that what you fancy.
Shasown
13-09-2010, 06:01 PM
In case people havent seen them, here is the sort of image the operator will see of the person being scanned, hardly porn quality.
http://www.othernewsnetwork.com/_images/bodyscanner.jpg
Tonights one for the ladies:
http://epic.org/privacy/body_scanners/Body_Scan_Pic.jpg
What's the black dot on the man's tummy and on his thigh?
arista
13-09-2010, 06:04 PM
What's the black dot on the man's tummy and on his thigh?
Metal Clip belt
setanta
13-09-2010, 06:06 PM
I've got no problem with it, but then again I remember travelling to Israel years ago, and being strip searched by female Israeli soldiers at customs, and I mean "searched" in every conceivable orifice! These days people who get on their high horses about the invasion of their privacy, need to get a grip and understand it HAS to be done - if anything I would say, it's about time.
Lol, sorry, but I'm going to get on my high horse here for a minute! I do think there's a privacy issue involved to be honest with you.
Ok, I can understand the practicality of it, but there's always the human element here to consider and how it could be actually abused in some ways.
Shasown
13-09-2010, 06:11 PM
Choice?
What you want? a Firm man to Pat you Down
is that what you fancy.
Some airports will allow you to go for a body search by a member of the same sex. On religious or medical grounds etc. Though its not obligatory to offer it, and it is also dependant on having spare security personnel and facilities available for the search.
Some airports like Heathrow say you refuse to sybmit to a scan, you dont fly.
Shasown
13-09-2010, 06:15 PM
Lol, sorry, but I'm going to get on my high horse here for a minute! I do think there's a privacy issue involved to be honest with you.
Ok, I can understand the practicality of it, but there's always the human element here to consider and how it could be actually abused in some ways.
On the Rapiscan system that is being brought into most UK airports, the images generated were saved to the machineand had to be authorised to be deleted.
The system has been changed so that only scans that have been selected to be saved as evidence can be saved. Printouts have to be authorised by security managers, etc.
setanta
13-09-2010, 06:17 PM
On the Rapiscan system that is being brought into most UK airports, the images generated were saved to the machineand had to be authorised to be deleted.
The system has been changed so that only scans that have been selected to be saved as evidence can be saved. Printouts have to be authorised by security managers, etc.
I still think it's an invasion of privacy though Terry, and who knows what's stored or not?
And sure what about the danger of your gonads getting fried from all the X-rays? Nah, I'm against it, even though I'm totally aware that I'm being a fuddy duddy.
Callum
13-09-2010, 06:17 PM
Would feel a bit weird walking through them, but if everyone's in the same boat then I'm not too bothered. There are loads of places where people could hide drugs, weapons etc. so like someone else posted, if it stops those people from boarding a plane then I'm okay with it.
Shasown
13-09-2010, 06:22 PM
I still think it's an invasion of privacy though Terry, and who knows what's stored or not?
And sure what about the danger of your gonads getting fried from all the X-rays? Nah, I'm against it, even though I know I'm totally aware that I'm being a fuddy duddy.
Its a balance between human rights and safety, though personally I think the right to be able to fly to a location and get off there safely without having being held hostage or blown up/shot en route kind of overrides privacy.
As for the sterility issue, thats minimal I would be more worried that frequent fliers who do get scanned would have a higher risk of cancers, also there is a known link between millimetre wave radiation and increased tumour development. (In other words any tumours have accelerated growth.)
Unless there is an increase terrorist threat at the moment UK airports do random scanning.
Angus
13-09-2010, 06:22 PM
I still think it's an invasion of privacy though Terry, and who knows what's stored or not?
And sure what about the danger of your gonads getting fried from all the X-rays? Nah, I'm against it, even though I'm totally aware that I'm being a fuddy duddy.
Lol - I feel more sorry for anyone who gets off on seeing x-rays of my tired old bod!:laugh2: For me I think it's a case of the end justifies the means.
Lol - I feel more sorry for anyone who gets off on seeing x-rays of my tired old bod!:laugh2: For me I think it's a case of the end justifies the means.
Hi Angus :xyxwave:
Yeah, although I'm fine with it, I would NOT like to see whtat is on their screen as I walk through! hahah
setanta
13-09-2010, 06:28 PM
Its a balance between human rights and safety, though personally I think the right to be able to fly to a location and get off there safely without having being held hostage or blown up/shot en route kind of overrides privacy.
As for the sterility issue, thats minimal I would be more worried that frequent fliers who do get scanned would have a higher risk of cancers, also there is a known link between millimetre wave radiation and increased tumour development. (In other words any tumours have accelerated growth.)
Unless there is an increase terrorist threat at the moment UK airports do random scanning.
Ok, increased terrorist threat and reacting to it is ok... I can deal with that when and if it happen, maybe! But like how often are planes hijacked nowadays? How often within the last few years?
I don't like playing about with radiation and stuff either. Dodgy dodgy.
setanta
13-09-2010, 06:31 PM
Lol - I feel more sorry for anyone who gets off on seeing x-rays of my tired old bod!:laugh2: For me I think it's a case of the end justifies the means.
Speak for yourself. They'll be lining up for a peek at me. Heathrow will grind to a half. :hugesmile:
Nah, but you know what I mean, right? It's dodgy to me.
Shasown
13-09-2010, 06:35 PM
Ok, increased terrorist threat and reacting to it is ok... I can deal with that when and if it happen, maybe! But like how often are planes hijacked nowadays? How often within the last few years?
I don't like playing about with radiation and stuff either. Dodgy dodgy.
It was only Christmas Day last year that Omar whatshisface Matallab tried to blow up a passenger aircraft with a bomb in part strapped to his leg and detonated by injecting it with chemicals from a syringue.
Nigerian student flying from Amsterdam to the US
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/653777/Cops-arrest-attempted-suicide-bomber-on-US-bound-flight.html
setanta
13-09-2010, 06:38 PM
It was only Christmas Day last year that Omar whatshisface Matallab tried to blow up a passenger aircraft with a bomb in part strapped to his leg and detonated by injecting it with chemicals from a syringue.
Nigerian student flying from Amsterdam to the US
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/653777/Cops-arrest-attempted-suicide-bomber-on-US-bound-flight.html
Fair play to your man for getting stuck in. A film director of all people.
I'm still not sure Terry, really. I think it could be abused.
Angus
13-09-2010, 06:39 PM
Hi Angus :xyxwave:
Yeah, although I'm fine with it, I would NOT like to see whtat is on their screen as I walk through! hahah
Hi!
I will definitely keep my eyes averted till I'm through. I don't want to spoil my self delusion that I'm still young and gawjus:laugh2:
Angus
13-09-2010, 06:44 PM
Speak for yourself. They'll be lining up for a peek at me. Heathrow will grind to a half. :hugesmile:
Nah, but you know what I mean, right? It's dodgy to me.
I see where you're coming from, but I think the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. I'm terrified of flying in any case, so anything that lessens the prospect of a mid air terrorist attack is fine by me. It seems that loss of privacy is a price we might increasingly have to pay in this present climate of fear and suspicion.
setanta
13-09-2010, 06:44 PM
I just don't like where this could take us as a society, you know? The ramifications of it all. Climate of fear, invasion of civil liberties, barcoding, police state, dehumanization, you know what I'm saying?
setanta
13-09-2010, 06:48 PM
I see where you're coming from, but I think the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. I'm terrified of flying in any case, so anything that lessens the prospect of a mid air terrorist attack is fine by me. It seems that loss of privacy is a price we might increasingly have to pay in this present climate of fear and suspicion.
But sure you could be blown up anywhere: on a train, bus, on a street.. you name it. It's just a very extreme measure, which could have repercussions and could also be abused.
Shasown
13-09-2010, 06:57 PM
Its more a measure to instil piblic confidence.
You dont walk through the more effective type, you stand and get scanned a bit like an x-ray. The operators are supposed to view the images in a screened private area not accessible by the general public.
They will detect high density objects like knives and guns, even dense explosives like semtex and C4 plastic explosive, however they wont detect low density home made high explosive, which is more than capable of taking out an aircraft through rapid de-pressurisation.
The makers of Rapiscan admitted it wouldnt have detected the bomb that was strapped to that students thigh last christmas.
Interestingly enough under 18's are exempt because of Child Porn laws, thats one reason why they changed Rapiscans default to delete each scan and not save them unless manually overridden.
Captain.Remy
13-09-2010, 06:59 PM
I hope they save the pictures somewhere...because damn I'm hot ! :laugh:
No seriously, I think it's a very important question of security to avoid the type of catastrophes we're well aware of. If that saves the lives of many people, then I'm up for it.
Angus
13-09-2010, 07:02 PM
I just don't like where this could take us as a society, you know? The ramifications of it all. Climate of fear, invasion of civil liberties, barcoding, police state, dehumanization, you know what I'm saying?
I think civil liberties these days is just a delusion rather than an actuality - we already have every part of our lives scrutinised from cradle to grave, and every detail is stored on countless computers. Sensitive and personal information about us is sold on to faceless companies by the very people who are supposed to be safeguarding our privacy. Any random stranger who knows where to look on the internet could find out all there is to know about me in a few clicks of a mouse - my privacy, unfortunately, is no longer sacrosanct.
fingers
13-09-2010, 07:04 PM
The "strapped to the thigh" bomb would surely have raised a suspicious eyebrow? Anyway I have nothing against any measure to protect me as I fly, NOTHING!!
The "strapped to the thigh" bomb would surely have raised a suspicious eyebrow? Anyway I have nothing against any measure to protect me as I fly, NOTHING!!
Nor me, I would fly naked to be honest, if it meant reducing the risk of any loonys being on board!
setanta
13-09-2010, 07:07 PM
I think civil liberties these days is just a delusion rather than an actuality - we already have every part of our lives scrutinised from cradle to grave, and every detail is stored on countless computers. Sensitive and personal information about us is sold on to faceless companies by the very people who are supposed to be safeguarding our privacy. Any random stranger who knows where to look on the internet could find out all there is to know about me in a few clicks of a mouse - my privacy, unfortunately, is no longer sacrosanct.
Yep, but it doesn't mean that we should become apathetic towards it all and allow ourselves to be "stripped" of all our rights. Sorry, I'll never be in favour of this. More people die from donkeys than do on planes. See what I'm saying? lol
fingers
13-09-2010, 07:10 PM
Yep, but it doesn't mean that we should become apathetic towards it all and allow ourselves to be "stripped" of all our rights. Sorry, I'll never be in favour of this. More people die from donkeys than do on planes. See what I'm saying? lol
A source would be nice for that, and BTW probably more Donkeys are thrown from church towers in Spain than people who are killed by them.
setanta
13-09-2010, 07:11 PM
A source would be nice for that, and BTW probably more Donkeys are thrown from church towers in Spain than people who are killed by them.
It's actually a fact. I'll look it up for you if you want. Just trying to highlight the climate of fear we allow to pervade our lives.
setanta
13-09-2010, 07:13 PM
Coconuts too. Those lads are deadly.
Captain.Remy
13-09-2010, 07:14 PM
Coconuts too. Those lads are deadly.
You definitely don't want to mess with them.
fingers
13-09-2010, 07:17 PM
Coconuts too. Those lads are deadly.
Aimed correctly by a trained operative a Coconut can kill at 20 yards - or, can seriously hamper the reproductive process at 10 yards!
setanta
13-09-2010, 07:18 PM
You definitely don't want to mess with them.
Oh, Kill you soon as look at you. Vicious.
I'm sure I read somewhere that there's more chance of being killed on your toilet than ther is of being killed on a plne... but even still, if they can make it as safe as possible then it's fine with me.
I actually have no fear of flying really, I love it in fact but there is always just that thought that you're thousand of feet in the air with nothing holding you up in a large metal tube.. if anyone goes crazy there's nowhere to run really is there?
Shasown
13-09-2010, 07:19 PM
The "strapped to the thigh" bomb would surely have raised a suspicious eyebrow? Anyway I have nothing against any measure to protect me as I fly, NOTHING!!
If you read my previous post you would have seen that low density explosives wouldnt have been detected. Unless it was so thick as to be obvious.
Seeing as you like sources etc have a ganji at this
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/are-planned-airport-scanners-just-a-scam-1856175.html
setanta
13-09-2010, 07:20 PM
Aimed correctly by a trained operative a Coconut can kill at 20 yards - or, can seriously hamper the reproductive process at 10 yards!
They're obviously not allowed on board as a carry on item. Feck explosives, get the coconuts off the plane stat!
BB_Eye
13-09-2010, 07:20 PM
I hate it. I'd rather have my privacy with the miniscule risk of being blown up than letting customs ogle at my ass. Sorry, but that's just me. They invented clothes for a reason you know.
fingers
13-09-2010, 07:21 PM
If you read my previous post you would have seen that low density explosives wouldnt have been detected. Unless it was so thick as to be obvious.
Seeing as you like sources etc have a ganji at this
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/are-planned-airport-scanners-just-a-scam-1856175.html
So it would just have looked like a tumour?
Shasown
13-09-2010, 07:22 PM
Aimed correctly by a trained operative a Coconut can kill at 20 yards - or, can seriously hamper the reproductive process at 10 yards!
A mate of mine was hospitalised by a coconut in Central America a few years ago, he strung a hammock under some coconut trees and a coconut fell on him. They are quite heavy when wrapped in their husk etc.
Shasown
13-09-2010, 07:24 PM
So it would just have looked like a tumour?
scroll down and you will find these paragraphs
Tests by scientists in the team at Qinetiq... showed the millimetre-wave scanners picked up shrapnel and heavy wax and metal, but plastic, chemicals and liquids were missed.
If a material is low density, such as powder, liquid or thin plastic – as well as the passenger's clothing – the millimetre waves pass through and the object is not shown on screen
I flew on September 12th 2001 and it was horrible.. there was no joviality at all at the arport, just silence. Every flight was delayed for hours as security was obviously at it's highest. We weren't allwed anything at ALL on the plane apart from our boarding passes and passports... I even had to put my lipstick in my case :mad:
Every single person was thoroughly searched and frisked..I even had to show them that what they could feel was just the underwire in my bra! But uyou know what? I would not have a problem if security was like that all the time... I was a bit annoyed at having to pack all my hadn luggage in my suitcase but really it was fine and I felt the airport had done as much as they could to make it a safe flight.
fingers
13-09-2010, 07:32 PM
I flew on September 12th 2001 and it was horrible.. there was no joviality at all at the arport, just silence. Every flight was delayed for hours as security was obviously at it's highest. We weren't allwed anything at ALL on the plane apart from our boarding passes and passports... I even had to put my lipstick in my case :mad:
Every single person was thoroughly searched and frisked..I even had to show them that what they could feel was just the underwire in my bra! But uyou know what? I would not have a problem if security was like that all the time... I was a bit annoyed at having to pack all my hadn luggage in my suitcase but really it was fine and I felt the airport had done as much as they could to make it a safe flight.
I'd say you were lucky that you were able to fly on the 12th, think of all those poor buggers who were forced to land wherever they happened to be on the 11th.
Apart, of course, from the passengers on the 4 aircraft that DIDN'T land!
I'd say you were lucky that you were able to fly on the 12th, think of all those poor buggers who were forced to land wherever they happened to be on the 11th.
Apart, of course, from the passengers on the 4 aircraft that DIDN'T land!
Yeah.. we were lucky. I phoned the airline in the morning to be told by some inane bint that of course all flights were cancelled.. Luckily I phoned again to recheck and was told that all European flights were ok... not a nice day to fly (probably the safest though)
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