Gods and Gays.

[BBfan46]

What do you think God's view on homosexuality is?

We've all heard of Leviticus 18:22. But in fairness, God is not a prejudice and I am sure GOD LOVES EVERYONE. In the Bible it also states God created man in his image, I presume God isn't superficial so therefore God must be partly gay, controversial I know, but this is my interpretation of God and how I choose to follow him...

Discuss.

[InOne]

Think there are a few Gay scenes in the Bible.

[BBfan46]

Think there are a few Gay scenes in the Bible.

Is The Bible you are referring to a porno? :P

[Smithy]

Is The Bible you are referring to a porno? :P

:laugh3:

[InOne]

Is The Bible you are referring to a porno? :P

Yes. Which also contains incest and beastailty. They didn't mess about in those times. ;)

[Firewire]

I'm an atheist, so I have no view on the matter.

[BBfan46]

Yes. Which also contains incest and beastailty. They didn't mess about in those times. ;)

:joker:

[GypsyGoth]

I don't believe in Gays.

[BBfan46]

I don't believe in Gays.

But homosexuals exist? They're not like unicorns.

[Lee.]

I don't believe there is a god at all.

[BB_Eye]

I'm not really a practicing Christian, but didn't Jesus tell everyone to disregard a lot of the weird arbitrary rules set out in the Old Testament? Leviticus also doesn't permit people to wear clothing of more than one fabric (ie polyester). I don't see fundamentalists moaning about that. It's just a social taboo dressed up in religious platitudes.

[Niamh.]

But homosexuals exist? They're not like unicorns.

:laugh3:

[Shaun]

I don't believe in Gays.

I'm agnostic about them. I'd like to think they exist, but in all of my TiBB experiences, I've found no proof.

[Shasown]

If there is a god I dont think he gives a monkeys if you are gay or straight.

The bible was put onto paper by men, its their view that is echoed within. They didnt like things out of the ordinary, they wanted their religion to breed to provide more followers for their god, for their tribe etc. Hence the idea homosexuality was against gods plans.

[BBfan46]

I'm agnostic about them. I'd like to think they exist, but in all of my TiBB experiences, I've found no proof.

Are you people for real?:shocked:

[BBfan46]

If there is a god I dont think he gives a monkeys if you are gay or straight.

The bible was put onto paper by men, its their view that is echoed within. They didnt like things out of the ordinary, they wanted their religion to breed to provide more followers for their god, for their tribe etc. Hence the idea homosexuality was against gods plans.

:thumbs:

[ElProximo]

God loves people enough to tell them not to do unnatural things for which their bodies, their physiology, their psychology was not intended to be doing.
Even if you don't go along with the intended purpose then don't blame the Maker for letting you know up front.

[BBfan46]

God loves people enough to tell them not to do unnatural things for which their bodies, their physiology, their psychology was not intended to be doing.
Even if you don't go along with the intended purpose then don't blame the Maker for letting you know up front.

Why do you think homosexuality is un-natural? People are born gay.

[ILoveTRW]

I remember on The Real World Denver, Davis telling the story of when his mother gave him an exorcism when he told her he was gay.

[BBfan46]

I remember on The Real World Denver, Davis telling the story of when his mother gave him an exorcism when he told her he was gay.

Those names mean nothing but I guess I'm right in guessing The Real World is an American show?

[Mystic Mock]

What do you think God's view on homosexuality is?

We've all heard of Leviticus 18:22. But in fairness, God is not a prejudice and I am sure GOD LOVES EVERYONE. In the Bible it also states God created man in his image, I presume God isn't superficial so therefore God must be partly gay, controversial I know, but this is my interpretation of God and how I choose to follow him...

Discuss.

i think he wouldnt mind it,because it says in the bible that god loves everyone.

although it does say something along the lines that gays and lesbians go to hell.

[BBfan46]

i think he wouldnt mind it,because it says in the bible that god loves everyone.

although it does say something along the lines that gays and lesbians go to hell.

True, it is pointed out that the Bible was written by an ordinary man in a very conservative time, Jesus seemed far more open to homosexuality.

[ElProximo]

Why do you think homosexuality is un-natural? People are born gay.

Why do you think people are born gay?

If you think they are born gay then you are making a strong argument for some kind of retardation or medical problem:
- Either they were born with the right brain but wrong genitals,
or,
- maybe born with something wrong with their brain.

Lesbians have a terrible deformity then.. useless breasts and a lot of indoor plumbing that takes up a lot of energy for no reason?

Why would the gays have sperm production? Do you figure that is a deformity in them?

[Niamh.]

Why do you think people are born gay?

If you think they are born gay then you are making a strong argument for some kind of retardation or medical problem:
- Either they were born with the right brain but wrong genitals,
or,
- maybe born with something wrong with their brain.

Lesbians have a terrible deformity then.. useless breasts and a lot of indoor plumbing that takes up a lot of energy for no reason?

Why would the gays have sperm production? Do you figure that is a deformity in them?

Why do you even care? They don't affect you, so why would you have a problem with them?

[arista]

"Lesbians have a terrible deformity then.. useless breasts and a lot of indoor plumbing that takes up a lot of energy for no reason?"


You are having a Laugh.


There is No God , anyway.

[Shasown]

"Lesbians have a terrible deformity then.. useless breasts and a lot of indoor plumbing that takes up a lot of energy for no reason?"


You are having a Laugh.


There is No God , anyway.

Of course there is, he exists in the hearts and minds of man. :wink:

[arista]

The God Delusion book
will give you the honest truth.

[arista]

" Of course there is, he exists in the hearts and minds of man. "


So your Pathetic God gave us Hitler.

There is No God.

[Shasown]

" Of course there is, he exists in the hearts and minds of man. "


So your Pathetic God gave us Hitler.

There is No God.

Think about what I wrote arista, it may be a little too deep for you.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

god loves a nice big cock up his arse

[BBfan46]

Why do you think people are born gay?

If you think they are born gay then you are making a strong argument for some kind of retardation or medical problem:
- Either they were born with the right brain but wrong genitals,
or,
- maybe born with something wrong with their brain.

Lesbians have a terrible deformity then.. useless breasts and a lot of indoor plumbing that takes up a lot of energy for no reason?

Why would the gays have sperm production? Do you figure that is a deformity in them?

So 10% of the 6.7 billion have a retardation? It's no more a retardation than Ginger hair or being left-handed. People have been gay since the beginning of time, but it's a more open society nowadays, being white is technically a 'retardation' as humans are supposed to be black. As for your right brain wrong genitals argument, that is transsexualism and a different topic, gay people have no desire to be of the other gender. Lesbians do not have useless breasts, they still work but they may not be put to personal use same for the sperm of gay men, but I may refer you to surrogate mothers and sperm donation, both of these still render a purpose, unlike your brain which has difficulty breaking out of the medieval view point.

[Captain.Remy]

we should burn them all to be honest so there won't be any debate.

except the hot lesbians tho. keep them, they might be useful in parties. :tongue:

[BBfan46]

we should burn them all to be honest so there won't be any debate.

except the hot lesbians tho. keep them, they might be useful in parties. :tongue:

You're repulsive.

[Shaun]

BBfan46, he was being sarcastic :p as were GypsyGoth and I on the last page.

Good to see ElProximo being the cosmopolitan he always was. [this is sarcasm too, BBFan ;)]

[Captain.Remy]

You're repulsive.

Why is that? Is that forbidden to have some fun with hot lesbians? I swear I won't put drugs in their drink this time. oh wait...

[BBfan46]

BBfan46, he was being sarcastic :p as were GypsyGoth and I on the last page.

Good to see ElProximo being the cosmopolitan he always was. [this is sarcasm too, BBFan ;)]

You know I knew that but for some reason I decided to be mean. :joker:

[Vicky.]

If there was a god, which I very much doubt there is...I see no reason for him/her to smite gay people down. He/she is supposedly all knowing and all loving. He probably has a few gay pornos hidden away anyway, sitting on the back of those cloudy shelves of his.

[Captain.Remy]

If there was a god, which I very much doubt there is...I see no reason for him/her to smite gay people down. He/she is supposedly all knowing and all loving. He probably has a few gay pornos hidden away anyway, sitting on the back of those cloudy shelves of his.

:devil: DAMN IT, A NON-HOT LESBIAN DINOSAUR ! HANG HER BY THE BOOBS AND BURN HER SLOWLY !!! :devil::devil::devil::devil::devil::devil::devil:

[BBfan46]

Let's all just love eachother :D

[ElProximo]

So 10% of the 6.7 billion have a retardation?

Not anywhere close to 10% of the population chooses homosexuality. The very best research we can find may have less than 1% who can be said to actively, exclusively and be 'ongoing' in this kind of thing.

But it was YOU who may suppose they were born with a 'retardation' of either the body or the mind.

It's no more a retardation than Ginger hair or being left-handed.

No, these do not change anything and the hand and hair still have the same point and purpose as any other.

People have been gay since the beginning of time, but it's a more open society nowadays,

This is baseless and we have no reason to believe 'people have been gay' since the beginning of time.
We do know that homosexuality appears throughout the recorded history of human civilization including gangs who would go about raping and murdering men.
For almost all of human history, crossing cultures and continents where we can find it practices (and mostly it is considered perverse),
but,
For the most part it is considered something you can 'do'.
Not a 'race'.
Not another 'gender'.
Not something where a type of person called 'a gay' is born.

It is a sexual interest. It could be a 'phase'. It could depend on what they were into at the time.
A Roman might be into slave girls and then at another time take a teen boy as a 'student' and sodomize him whenever,
but,
then he may be married and devoted to a wife or later they both like heterosexual orgies.

This idea you have about a kind of '3rd gender' a type of human that is born called 'A gay' who (you believe) is meant to desire same genders 'from birth' is bizarre.
It is an aberrant belief compared to human history. It is a strange new idea you are testing in just a recent generation.

being white is technically a 'retardation' as humans are supposed to be black.

No. Humans are all the same colour (it is a yellowish brown though a red tint runs through us too) and the difference is having more or less which is higher or lower in the skin,
but,
if you wanted a 'comparison' this could be like having a longer or shorter penis or bigger or smaller breasts - it doesn't change anything for the penis or breast or what it can do.

As for your right brain wrong genitals argument, that is transsexualism and a different topic,

So you would agree they have a medical problem and surgery is needed to correct it.
It seems that transsexuals would agree with this idea where they were born with the wrong parts.

gay people have no desire to be of the other gender.

nonsense. it presumes a type of people called 'the gay people' and doesn't square with the best research where we see far more 'in and out' and 'back and forth' and nowhere near these strict definitions.

But even that doesn't tell us anything for your claims. Not long ago I watched a documentary (might have been C4) about 'shoe-sexuals' but the idea was exploring a surprisingly popular fetish of men who are sexually infatuated with shoes.
One was even arrested making love to Mariah Carey (the pop star) to her shoes!
Shoesexuals become so infatuated that they get to a point they cannot even become sexually aroused unless there is shoes involved. They could make love to their wife - only if she wears shoes and he can ___ the shoes,
but,
they can exclusively become aroused by shoes alone at all times.

Would you now claim they are simply a type of human.. like a 'gender' who are simply born this way?

Lesbians do not have useless breasts, they still work but they may not be put to personal use

The breast work but they are not used. We call this 'useless'. You believe that. I don't.

same for the sperm of gay men, but I may refer you to surrogate mothers and sperm donation,

So you think the sperm production in this kind of 'gay human' is meant for being taken by heterosexuals?
Are they our 'cows' then?

both of these still render a purpose, unlike your brain which has difficulty breaking out of the medieval view point.

The medieval period was a great time of medical advances, scientific advancement and progressive understanding of the natural world around us,
but,
they might have shared some views with you (and I disagree) but one of these might be that people are born with some kind of spirit that could dictate their behavior.
You believe this. You believe some babies are born as 'gay humans' and although there is no detected physical or even physiological difference - you just 'believe' some kind of 'gay spirit' will turn them into a different kind of human.
I have more progressive ideas. Youre stuck in 1982 leftist agenda myths.

[Mystic Mock]

Not anywhere close to 10% of the population chooses homosexuality. The very best research we can find may have less than 1% who can be said to actively, exclusively and be 'ongoing' in this kind of thing.

But it was YOU who may suppose they were born with a 'retardation' of either the body or the mind.



No, these do not change anything and the hand and hair still have the same point and purpose as any other.



This is baseless and we have no reason to believe 'people have been gay' since the beginning of time.
We do know that homosexuality appears throughout the recorded history of human civilization including gangs who would go about raping and murdering men.
For almost all of human history, crossing cultures and continents where we can find it practices (and mostly it is considered perverse),
but,
For the most part it is considered something you can 'do'.
Not a 'race'.
Not another 'gender'.
Not something where a type of person called 'a gay' is born.

It is a sexual interest. It could be a 'phase'. It could depend on what they were into at the time.
A Roman might be into slave girls and then at another time take a teen boy as a 'student' and sodomize him whenever,
but,
then he may be married and devoted to a wife or later they both like heterosexual orgies.

This idea you have about a kind of '3rd gender' a type of human that is born called 'A gay' who (you believe) is meant to desire same genders 'from birth' is bizarre.
It is an aberrant belief compared to human history. It is a strange new idea you are testing in just a recent generation.



No. Humans are all the same colour (it is a yellowish brown though a red tint runs through us too) and the difference is having more or less which is higher or lower in the skin,
but,
if you wanted a 'comparison' this could be like having a longer or shorter penis or bigger or smaller breasts - it doesn't change anything for the penis or breast or what it can do.



So you would agree they have a medical problem and surgery is needed to correct it.
It seems that transsexuals would agree with this idea where they were born with the wrong parts.



nonsense. it presumes a type of people called 'the gay people' and doesn't square with the best research where we see far more 'in and out' and 'back and forth' and nowhere near these strict definitions.

But even that doesn't tell us anything for your claims. Not long ago I watched a documentary (might have been C4) about 'shoe-sexuals' but the idea was exploring a surprisingly popular fetish of men who are sexually infatuated with shoes.
One was even arrested making love to Mariah Carey (the pop star) to her shoes!
Shoesexuals become so infatuated that they get to a point they cannot even become sexually aroused unless there is shoes involved. They could make love to their wife - only if she wears shoes and he can ___ the shoes,
but,
they can exclusively become aroused by shoes alone at all times.

Would you now claim they are simply a type of human.. like a 'gender' who are simply born this way?


The breast work but they are not used. We call this 'useless'. You believe that. I don't.


So you think the sperm production in this kind of 'gay human' is meant for being taken by heterosexuals?
Are they our 'cows' then?



The medieval period was a great time of medical advances, scientific advancement and progressive understanding of the natural world around us,
but,
they might have shared some views with you (and I disagree) but one of these might be that people are born with some kind of spirit that could dictate their behavior.
You believe this. You believe some babies are born as 'gay humans' and although there is no detected physical or even physiological difference - you just 'believe' some kind of 'gay spirit' will turn them into a different kind of human.
I have more progressive ideas. Youre stuck in 1982 leftist agenda myths.

people have sex with shoes?:laugh3:

[ElProximo]

people have sex with shoes?:laugh3:

Yeah, but don't be Shoephobic about it. It is their sexuality and we have to respect them.
It isn't a choice. They were born shoesexuals and actually a lot of them have been harassed and live in shame because of societies bigotry and hate towards them.
'Retifosexuals' are just a type of human or 'gender' who happen to be attracted to shoes.

Seriously though.. it is a real thing but we just call it a psychosexual disorder or simply a 'sex fetish'.

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah, but don't be Shoephobic about it. It is their sexuality and we have to respect them.
It isn't a choice. They were born shoesexuals and actually a lot of them have been harassed and live in shame because of societies bigotry and hate towards them.
'Retifosexuals' are just a type of human or 'gender' who happen to be attracted to shoes.

Seriously though.. it is a real thing but we just call it a psychosexual disorder or simply a 'sex fetish'.

anyway theres a difference between gays and shoe lovers.

1.gay people are in love with a living person where as shoe lovers arent.
2.being gay isnt a choice and if god sent them to hell because of being gay then god is ridiculous.

[_Seth]

the population chooses homosexuality.

It's not a choice you idiot.

If it is, could you give me a set of step-by-step instructions on how to become straight please? :)

[ElProximo]

anyway theres a difference between gays and shoe lovers.

[QUOTE]1.gay people are in love with a living person....

Say's who?
Which gay?
Why does 'being in love' even have anything to do with homosexuality anyways?


where as shoe lovers arent.

Who are you do judge? They are in love with a show and so that is their choice and how they were born.
Who are you to condemn them just because YOU think it must be another human.



2.being gay isnt a choice and if god sent them to hell because of being gay then god is ridiculous.

Being gay is a choice but I don't know anyone is 'sent to hell' for any such thing.
It may be there is no such thing as homosexuality in heaven and some people decide they would rather stay outside the gates??

[_Seth]

^Gonna answer my question or ignore it? :)

[arista]

Think about what I wrote arista, it may be a little too deep for you.


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51CR1BZ2E0L._SS500_.jpg

[BBfan46]

Not anywhere close to 10% of the population chooses homosexuality. The very best research we can find may have less than 1% who can be said to actively, exclusively and be 'ongoing' in this kind of thing.

But it was YOU who may suppose they were born with a 'retardation' of either the body or the mind.



No, these do not change anything and the hand and hair still have the same point and purpose as any other.



This is baseless and we have no reason to believe 'people have been gay' since the beginning of time.
We do know that homosexuality appears throughout the recorded history of human civilization including gangs who would go about raping and murdering men.
For almost all of human history, crossing cultures and continents where we can find it practices (and mostly it is considered perverse),
but,
For the most part it is considered something you can 'do'.
Not a 'race'.
Not another 'gender'.
Not something where a type of person called 'a gay' is born.

It is a sexual interest. It could be a 'phase'. It could depend on what they were into at the time.
A Roman might be into slave girls and then at another time take a teen boy as a 'student' and sodomize him whenever,
but,
then he may be married and devoted to a wife or later they both like heterosexual orgies.

This idea you have about a kind of '3rd gender' a type of human that is born called 'A gay' who (you believe) is meant to desire same genders 'from birth' is bizarre.
It is an aberrant belief compared to human history. It is a strange new idea you are testing in just a recent generation.



No. Humans are all the same colour (it is a yellowish brown though a red tint runs through us too) and the difference is having more or less which is higher or lower in the skin,
but,
if you wanted a 'comparison' this could be like having a longer or shorter penis or bigger or smaller breasts - it doesn't change anything for the penis or breast or what it can do.



So you would agree they have a medical problem and surgery is needed to correct it.
It seems that transsexuals would agree with this idea where they were born with the wrong parts.



nonsense. it presumes a type of people called 'the gay people' and doesn't square with the best research where we see far more 'in and out' and 'back and forth' and nowhere near these strict definitions.

But even that doesn't tell us anything for your claims. Not long ago I watched a documentary (might have been C4) about 'shoe-sexuals' but the idea was exploring a surprisingly popular fetish of men who are sexually infatuated with shoes.
One was even arrested making love to Mariah Carey (the pop star) to her shoes!
Shoesexuals become so infatuated that they get to a point they cannot even become sexually aroused unless there is shoes involved. They could make love to their wife - only if she wears shoes and he can ___ the shoes,
but,
they can exclusively become aroused by shoes alone at all times.

Would you now claim they are simply a type of human.. like a 'gender' who are simply born this way?


The breast work but they are not used. We call this 'useless'. You believe that. I don't.


So you think the sperm production in this kind of 'gay human' is meant for being taken by heterosexuals?
Are they our 'cows' then?



The medieval period was a great time of medical advances, scientific advancement and progressive understanding of the natural world around us,
but,
they might have shared some views with you (and I disagree) but one of these might be that people are born with some kind of spirit that could dictate their behavior.
You believe this. You believe some babies are born as 'gay humans' and although there is no detected physical or even physiological difference - you just 'believe' some kind of 'gay spirit' will turn them into a different kind of human.
I have more progressive ideas. Youre stuck in 1982 leftist agenda myths.

It's statistical fact in the Western World that 1 in 10 people would identify as LGBT. At no point did I ever state being gay was a retardation that was your prejudice being inclined to believe I did so would contradict my argument and therefore the purpose of the thread.

a Gay man's penis and a Straight man's penis have the same purpose to reproduce, a gay man doesn't feel the need to use this function as he is attracted to the same sex, it doesn't mean it's a retardation, the appendix has no use yet we still have them, sperm has little use to a gay man but he still produces it, therefore that argument cannot be contained.

The Third Gender as you refer to is illogical, there are two genders, male and female, a gender is determined by anatomy not by sexual attraction, the fact you claim to say homosexuality is a phase is ridiculous why would people choose to go through emotional torment?

People have been gay since Biblical times and the ancient Greeks before that, it's well known and documented... Wikipedia it bitch.

[BBfan46]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51CR1BZ2E0L._SS500_.jpg

Thank you for plugging the **** out of this book.

[BBfan46]

Just so you know <insert prejudice user's name here> Gay people aren't cows, lesbians can be surrogate mothers therefore their reproductive organs have function and gay men can use sperm for donation and artificial insemination so their genitalia is not useless as you'd have people believe its 2010 not 210.

[Zippy]

Not anywhere close to 10% of the population chooses homosexuality.

Correct.

Homosexuality chooses them.

:xyxwave:

[Mystic Mock]

[QUOTE=jedward fever;3792413]anyway theres a difference between gays and shoe lovers.



Say's who?
Which gay?
Why does 'being in love' even have anything to do with homosexuality anyways?




Who are you do judge? They are in love with a show and so that is their choice and how they were born.
Who are you to condemn them just because YOU think it must be another human.



Being gay is a choice but I don't know anyone is 'sent to hell' for any such thing.
It may be there is no such thing as homosexuality in heaven and some people decide they would rather stay outside the gates??

i didnt say they had to be in love with a human,i was saying a living thing otherwise i think they are insane.

[ElProximo]

Correct.

Homosexuality chooses them.

:xyxwave:

'waving cutesy' aside - what are you saying then? That it is a disease in the womb?
Is it some chemicals that find the developing fetus and 'infect' it?
You are closer to the idea there are people who would otherwise be hetero or 'normal' and would be originally intended to be 'straight',
but,
then something affects them and changes it?

The best studies we have show something like 1 to 3% have, at some time, had some 'homosexual experience',
but,
even that needs to be looked at when this can include people who (for example) had a single experience in university they describe as 'homosexual'.

As for those 'exclusively homosexual' and 'ongoing' this isn't easy to narrow down but it may be less than 1%
A lot of companies want to find out more and more about this demographic and sell them things,
but,
they can't find much more than about 1 or 2%.

You could find more depending on what region, city, area and less in another region city or area.
One city I lived in and I could safely and easily say about 1 in every 25 people were 'actively exclusively homosexual'.
In my hometown I would be shocked if you could find 1 in every 300.

Again, don't assume I am 'opposed to gays'. I notice a few people are doing that. Don't.
Nothing I'm telling you actually tells you that so don't assume.

[BBfan46]

Again, don't assume I am 'opposed to gays'. I notice a few people are doing that. Don't.
Nothing I'm telling you actually tells you that so don't assume.

Except when you called gay people ******* like six times?

[Mystic Mock]

Except when you called gay people ******* like six times?

i normally like them,but they stick up for shoe lovers so what can i say.

[30stone]

Why do you think homosexuality is un-natural? People are born gay.

The way i think he meant it was that the anus is meant to be an exit hole, naturally.

[Mystic Mock]

The way i think he meant it was that the anus is meant to be an exit hole, naturally.

he did call them *******, and he then goes to stick up for shoe lovers.:conf:

i think el proximo is keeping something secret about shoe obcessions.:hugesmile:

[BBfan46]

The way i think he meant it was that the anus is meant to be an exit hole, naturally.

Actually male's g spot is in the arse :)

[Shasown]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51CR1BZ2E0L._SS500_.jpg

Ahhh Thanks poppet, but I have read it.

Perhaps that comment was too deep for you. Maybe i should have said "God exists ONLY in the hearts and minds of Man"

The way i think he meant it was that the anus is meant to be an exit hole, naturally.

Interesting to note the female anus contains more sensory pleasure nerves than the vagina.

Actually male's g spot is in the arse :)

Do you mean the prostate? If you do then you should know its not in the butt but can be accessed that way, it can also be stimulated through the perineum

[ElProximo]

Except when you called gay people ******* like six times?

No.
*Insult Removed*
What I did was ask you if YOU were (by implication) arguing that gays have either a physical deformity or mental retardation of some kind.
You.
Not me.

The male 'g-spot' is called 'the penis'. There is no 'g-spot' in the rectum although if you want to go inside the body then push through the rectum wall into the prostate you can force seminal fluid out of the penis.

[Zippy]

The way i think he meant it was that the anus is meant to be an exit hole, naturally.

Er, I dont think the gays have a monopoly on anal sex.

I'd post links but....

[Mystic Mock]

No.
*Insult Removed*
What I did was ask you if YOU were (by implication) arguing that gays have either a physical deformity or mental retardation of some kind.
You.
Not me.

The male 'g-spot' is called 'the penis'. There is no 'g-spot' in the rectum although if you want to go inside the body then push through the rectum wall into the prostate you can force seminal fluid out of the penis.

some of your post got removed?:conf:

[ElProximo]

some of your post got removed?:conf:

Someone has an 'agenda' and feels they can make it happen by censoring speech.

[iRyan]

It's statistical fact in the Western World that 1 in 10 people would identify as LGBT. At no point did I ever state being gay was a retardation that was your prejudice being inclined to believe I did so would contradict my argument and therefore the purpose of the thread.

a Gay man's penis and a Straight man's penis have the same purpose to reproduce, a gay man doesn't feel the need to use this function as he is attracted to the same sex, it doesn't mean it's a retardation, the appendix has no use yet we still have them, sperm has little use to a gay man but he still produces it, therefore that argument cannot be contained.

The Third Gender as you refer to is illogical, there are two genders, male and female, a gender is determined by anatomy not by sexual attraction, the fact you claim to say homosexuality is a phase is ridiculous why would people choose to go through emotional torment?

People have been gay since Biblical times and the ancient Greeks before that, it's well known and documented... Wikipedia it bitch.

*claps for you*

ElProximo is quite possibly the most ignorant person i've seen on this forum with his pathetic 'arguement'.

[KG.]

I can't take ElProximo's posts seriously without wiggling my fingers in the air, there are too many 'apostrophes' and "speech marks."

Actually, I lied, I just can't take them seriously at all.

[iRyan]

The way i think he meant it was that the anus is meant to be an exit hole, naturally.

The anus still has pleasure sensors in it though. It's not just "meant" for ****ting.

Straight people have anal sex as well. It doesn't make it unnatural.

[ElProximo]

It's statistical fact in the Western World that 1 in 10 people would identify as LGBT.

Wrong.
The best studies (and these are the best scientific studies by PHDs) find somewhere between 1 to 3% 'identifying'.
As I explained already - this can even include people who 'felt some homosexual feelings' 20 years ago and chose to report having had some 'homosexual experience'.

The other thing you can do is just open your eyes and realize that 10% of the people are not homosexuals.



At no point did I ever state being gay was a retardation that was your prejudice being inclined to believe I did so would contradict my argument and therefore the purpose of the thread.

No, you didn't but I asked if that was the idea when someone believes (based on nothing) that babies are born homosexual.
I explain it further:
Is the penis a mistake or is the brain having a problem?
That is where YOU GO when you decide to argue for this 'born gay' angle.


a Gay man's penis and a Straight man's penis have the same purpose to reproduce, a gay man doesn't feel the need to use this function as he is attracted to the same sex,

I strongly agree.

it doesn't mean it's a retardation, the appendix has no use yet we still have them,


The Appendix has a purpose.

sperm has little use to a gay man but he still produces it, therefore that argument cannot be contained.

Here it won't matter if you believe in some unguided evolution or a creator but you have a problem:
Why would the physiology (which we never find) but suppose the brain of the gay baby does has altered.
So the sperm production is like some kind of bad joke?
nature's cruel joke?
Why don't they produce disinfectants in the rectum?
I'm asking YOU if YOU think nature made a mistake.
I don't.

The Third Gender as you refer to is illogical, there are two genders, male and female, a gender is determined by anatomy not by sexual attraction, the fact you claim to say homosexuality is a phase is ridiculous why would people choose to go through emotional torment?

That is why I put the bunny ears around 'gender', Spock. Nobody was confused.
You didn't need to clear up this was 'illogical' ffs lol

But that is the idea with the 'born gay' people. That there is something like a different 'gender'.
There is male, female and another kind of sex born called a 'gay' and another 'lesbian'.
This is what the 'born gay' people are doing. Not me.

People have been gay since Biblical times and the ancient Greeks before that, it's well known and documented... Wikipedia it bitch.


Why wikipedia that WHEN I TAUGHT YOU THAT IN THE EARLIER POST.
I TOLD YOU.
You got that information from me first.
So why did you 'inform' me of what I just previously taught you?
That was illogical lol

[SoBig]

Is it true that most people that were molested at a young age by a person of the same sex, that they end up being gay when they get older?

If thats the case, then its mental, no?

[headaball]

Lesbians.

[Grimnir]

here is a question for everyone who is straight and follows no religion

if you had to choose to spend a whole day trapped in a room with either a bible basher or a very camp gay

who would you choose? :joker:

[InOne]

here is a question for everyone who is straight and follows no religion

if you had to choose to spend a whole day trapped in a room with either a bible basher or a very camp gay

who would you choose? :joker:

Bible Basher. She could be fit :love:

[Omen]

Is it true that most people that were molested at a young age by a person of the same sex, that they end up being gay when they get older?

If thats the case, then its mental, no?

No, that's not true.

[headaball]

here is a question for everyone who is straight and follows no religion

if you had to choose to spend a whole day trapped in a room with either a bible basher or a very camp gay

who would you choose? :joker:

Whoever's got the fattest head - I'd use them as a battering ram.

[ElProximo]

Is it true that most people that were molested at a young age by a person of the same sex, that they end up being gay when they get older?

If thats the case, then its mental, no?


Yes you are right. There has been studies showing a disproportionately high number of gay men were sexually molested by an older gay man when they were themselves children/teens.
There is some interest along the same lines with lesbian women too.
This suggests it can be a psychological issue brought on by events/upbringing trauma etc.

Here is what is even more remarkable and something fairly well known among researchers:
A highly disproportionate number of gay men reported a dysfunctional family upbringing that had a combination of two factors to some extreme:
- An absent father
- a domineering mother.
Researchers point out that 'absent' does not necessarily mean 'missing' or even gone all the time but more importantly 'unloving' cold, emotionally distant.
Researchers point out that by 'dominant mother' they don't mean in a cruel or even 'negative' way but in the sense of being the central figure who is 'dominant', controlling, the initiator and the dominating social figure.
One study had a whopping 60% of gay men reporting this as a significant dysfunctional problem.
This suggests the interest or appeal in being gay can come about from psycho-sociological issues.

But if there was a 'gay gene' that definitely brings up the inevitable question (especially with great advances in mapping genomes, genetic therapy etc) and here it is:
Should we find and isolate the gene even when it is still a fetus and then what?
How many would simply choose to abort the gay baby,
or,
Maybe more the question is the potential option of gene therapy to replace the 'gay gene' while keeping the baby?
How many would do that?
Would you?
Another question might be giving a baby a 'gay gene' as parent may want the freedom to choose.
Maybe the Mum always dreamed to have her own gay boy?
Shouldn't she have the right to choose what she wants for her own body and put the gay gene in the soon-to-be baby boy or girl?

[BBfan46]

Yes you are right. There has been studies showing a disproportionately high number of gay men were sexually molested by an older gay man when they were themselves children/teens.
There is some interest along the same lines with lesbian women too.
This suggests it can be a psychological issue brought on by events/upbringing trauma etc.

Here is what is even more remarkable and something fairly well known among researchers:
A highly disproportionate number of gay men reported a dysfunctional family upbringing that had a combination of two factors to some extreme:
- An absent father
- a domineering mother.
Researchers point out that 'absent' does not necessarily mean 'missing' or even gone all the time but more importantly 'unloving' cold, emotionally distant.
Researchers point out that by 'dominant mother' they don't mean in a cruel or even 'negative' way but in the sense of being the central figure who is 'dominant', controlling, the initiator and the dominating social figure.
One study had a whopping 60% of gay men reporting this as a significant dysfunctional problem.
This suggests the interest or appeal in being gay can come about from psycho-sociological issues.

But if there was a 'gay gene' that definitely brings up the inevitable question (especially with great advances in mapping genomes, genetic therapy etc) and here it is:
Should we find and isolate the gene even when it is still a fetus and then what?
How many would simply choose to abort the gay baby,
or,
Maybe more the question is the potential option of gene therapy to replace the 'gay gene' while keeping the baby?
How many would do that?
Would you?
Another question might be giving a baby a 'gay gene' as parent may want the freedom to choose.
Maybe the Mum always dreamed to have her own gay boy?
Shouldn't she have the right to choose what she wants for her own body and put the gay gene in the soon-to-be baby boy or girl?

:joker:, this is utter bollocks, did you make this up last night, people don't make a conscious decision to be gay, you decide to be gay and let's see if it works for you and if your theory is so full proof like you seem to think where does bisexuality fit in to your bigoted spectrum? Who told you you were Sigmund Freud?

[Mystic Mock]

i believe you cant help who you love.

so being gay i dont believe would be a choice.

[MrGaryy]

I'm an atheist, so I have no view on the matter.

then why would you come into this thread?

[ElProximo]

:joker:, this is utter bollocks, did you make this up last night, people don't make a conscious decision to be gay, you decide to be gay and let's see if it works for you and if your theory is so full proof like you seem to think where does bisexuality fit in to your bigoted spectrum? Who told you you were Sigmund Freud?


In fact, a lot of these studies were done by 'non-Freudian' psychologists and researchers over many decades and are far more 'common knowledge' in those fields than you know,
but,
I'm not surprised that you are surprised and think you just read some 'crazy crackpot thing'.
You don't hear about this anymore. You sure as hell aren't going to see this discussed on any BBC documentary.

Now you made up something and added it. You added this idea that someone wakes up one day and 'chooses to become a homosexual'.
Nonsense.
Nobody ever woke up and decided to have PTSD and just went to a crowded music concert and made themselves have a panic attack and flashbacks.
Nobody just woke up one day and said "Oh here.. I will use controlling behavior on my family to compensate for my own traumatic upbringing".
These things are through series of developmental steps and may not be found my most and could take years or decades or months.

You asked 'where does bisexual fit in the spectrum'.
It fits in the middle.

[KG.]

For someone straight saying being gay is a choice is where this argument ended.

You are not gay, how the **** are you supposed to know if it is choice or not?

[BBfan46]

In fact, a lot of these studies were done by 'non-Freudian' psychologists and researchers over many decades and are far more 'common knowledge' in those fields than you know,
but,
I'm not surprised that you are surprised and think you just read some 'crazy crackpot thing'.
You don't hear about this anymore. You sure as hell aren't going to see this discussed on any BBC documentary.

Now you made up something and added it. You added this idea that someone wakes up one day and 'chooses to become a homosexual'.
Nonsense.
Nobody ever woke up and decided to have PTSD and just went to a crowded music concert and made themselves have a panic attack and flashbacks.
Nobody just woke up one day and said "Oh here.. I will use controlling behavior on my family to compensate for my own traumatic upbringing".
These things are through series of developmental steps and may not be found my most and could take years or decades or months.

You asked 'where does bisexual fit in the spectrum'.
It fits in the middle.

:crazy: I'm done with this, you have some bizarre ideas regarding human sexuality that are contradicting each other left, right and centre, I NEVER SAID THAT PEOPLE CHOOSE TO BE GAY - YOU DID. I think the actual statement was "No way near 10% choose homosexuality." I will not sit here and listen to a 'know it all' who has know knowledge of the actual situation due to the fact you aren't gay or bisexual, so take your warped retardation views back to the middle ages where you might get a sympathiser or two.

[MusicMan]

Here is an example.

I am gay.

I am perfectly happy in my male body.

I am attracted to male people just as straight males are attracted to female people.

I had no choice in the matter, in fact it would make a lot of gay people's lives a whole lot easier in some ways if they were straight.

I've skimmed through this thread and seen some claims that being gay is a choice.

These are obviously straight people talking - they have absolutely no idea because they have not experienced being gay (because they are straight!), and so do not have a leg to stand on in that case. How would you even know??

I absolutely cannot believe some of the comments in this thread. Fair's fair, everyone's entitled to their own opinions. But some of the assumptions and blantant guesswork that some people are making completely astounds me.

I'd like to end this post before I log off by reiterating this. I am gay. I am happy being male. I am attracted to men. I did not choose this because why would I? And I do not have a retardation of any form. Just to provide an example to those here who are suggesting otherwise.

[bansheewails]

According to the Bible, God granted man free will. All we have to do is live a good life and we go to heaven. So there you go, be a good person and God will grant you the Kiingdom of Heaven. Be a bad person and its down you go, and you will be joined by Maggie thatcher, the current pope and his arch bishop, George W. Bush and Jedward.

[ElProximo]

For someone straight saying being gay is a choice is where this argument ended.

You are not gay, how the **** are you supposed to know if it is choice or not?

So you just stop listening and 'end discussion' when you detect a belief different than your own may be introduced?
That hurts you.
We call this 'close-mindedness'.

Next.. how do you know I'm not gay?

More interestingly - I could interpret your accusations as highly offensive to gays.
How dare you say these people are incapable of making their own choices?
How dare you suggest that 'nobody would choose being gay' which means you think it's a 'poor choice' or a 'lesser thing'.
Do you think people who choose homosexuality are stupid and retarded because YOU think its a foolish or bad choice.
You decided what people may or may not like??
I think you may be the most bigoted anti-gay opinion in here?

Consider this (if you dare open your mind)

A friend of mine came from a fairly normal family upbringing but sadly at about age 13 his parents divorced and there he had a lot of problems. I felt bad because the only thing that kid wanted was for his Dad to be a dad but the guy was just a harsh, unfeeling and emotionally 'dead' and often drunk bastard.
(actually the only real 'attention' he got was when his dad got drunk and beat the hell out of him).
Anyways.
His mother and older sister took care of him and were not bad people at all but they were 'dominant' and you could say over-bearing and in some ways he was lost in that. He may be in the room and never noticed heh.
Anyways.
Now a few years later he moves away to university and although not unlikable he finds himself kinda lost, afraid, lonely, unsure.. nobody seems to notice him.
He wasn't athletic or a 'geek' or really fit in much, shy.
Dilemma.
One part of him was almost 'furious' to blast out, be HIS OWN MAN! now was his time to fight for his own identity,
YET,
He was shy, awkward and unsure.
OK.
But his flatmate at Uni was outgoing, had a lot of male friends and they were unique, expressive and they were going out every night to 'gay bars' where they seemed to be having fun.
They invited him.
He can tell you he had no interest in 'gay sex' or ever considered it. It wasn't the interest.
The attraction was actually having contact, relationships, fellowship with other men. Something he actually never had and always wanted.
Add another thing:
Now he was doing his own thing. for once. Finally. HE had his own group and identity - not his parents!
When the drugs were introduced he found another way to deal with all that pain and became outgoing.
He LIKED THIS!
It was HIS CHOICE and he explained quite simply this helped him deal with his problems.
Who are you to say he can't choose this?
It helped fill a void he had with his father and it helped him escape problems of his mother.
It helped him become someone unique and an 'individual' apart and he liked that feeling!
So who are you to say he didn't choose that or he shouldn't choose that?
It helped him.

Now about 10 years later he is married to a pretty young woman. They have 2 children so far.
Now he refers back to those 2 years in Uni as his 'dark days' but he doesn't resent anyone or anything either.
He understands why he did it and why he eventually chose to do something else with his life.

Who are you to say he is somehow unable to make choices for himself?