Capital Punishment V LIFE in Prison.

[Beastie]

Capital Punishment V LIFE in Prison.

This thread and poll was inspired by this thread.....

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=163722

If YOU had to choose which sentence YOU wanted which would you rather have??

Capital Punishment.. in which you WILL be killed STRAIGHT away.

Or.. LIFE in Prison until the DAY YOU DIE.

(I know you obviously can't choose in real life but lets just say if YOU could make a choice out of one or the other which would you choose)

And Why?

[Beastie]

I would rather have LIFE in Prison.

To be honest. I don't know what Prison is like. I could be naive to choosing this option. It COULD be easier just to have a quick death.

However.. I would risk going to prison. To be honest.. I think I could possibly be strong enough and last inside a room with only 4 walls. The thing that would scare me the most is the people. If I got beat up and that. This is a risk I would be willing to take.

[Jack_]

Life - it means they have to suffer more. Of course not in the modern prisons, it's too cushy. I mean a real prison, with no luxuries whatsoever. And capital punishment doesn't solve anything, it just promotes violence/torture/murder. I find it laughable that anyone would condone that sort of thing, especially when it comes to promoting it to children.

[Beastie]

Life - it means they have to suffer more. Of course not in the modern prisons, it's too cushy. I mean a real prison, with no luxuries whatsoever. And capital punishment doesn't solve anything, it just promotes violence/torture/murder. I find it laughable that anyone would condone that sort of thing, especially when it comes to promoting it to children.

READ the question.

It is about if YOU had commited a crime.. and got convicted BUT you was given the option..

So Jack.. would you choose to die straight away or live in Jail for life. The question is about YOU.

[Mystic Mock]

capital punishment because the criminals didnt show mercy to the victims, so why should we show mercy to the criminals? sorry i read the question wrong i would want prison if i was a criminal because you get xbox and playstation.

[InOne]

It all depends. If I didn't have a Conscience, I wouldn't care anyway and would just chill in jail. But if I felt remorse and it would eat away at me for the rest of my living days, then death.

[Jordan.]

Id rather just die. :shocked:

[Niall]

I would choose life in prison. I am absolutely petrified of death. I couldn't just choose to die. At least with life in prison my life would be lived out normally-ish rather than being killed off.

Also there would be a chance of parole in prison (or is that not allowed here?) which would mean I could return to the normal world.

[MissKittyFantastico]

If I'd done something THAT bad then I would take the life imprisonment and deal with it.

[Lucy.]

Life in prison. If I murdered someone I should have to deal with it.

[Beastie]

I would choose life in prison. I am absolutely petrified of death. I couldn't just choose to die. At least with life in prison my life would be lived out normally-ish rather than being killed off.

Also there would be a chance of parole in prison (or is that not allowed here?) which would mean I could return to the normal world.

No. READ the question again! :hugesmile:

Sorry to be harsh!

[Jack_]

READ the question.

It is about if YOU had commited a crime.. and got convicted BUT you was given the option..

So Jack.. would you choose to die straight away or live in Jail for life. The question is about YOU.

Oh, sorry, I just read the title and skimmed the OP.

I guess I'd chose life inprisonment. I was going to pick capital punishment but then I remembered that I'm absolutely petrified of death, and it would a terrible ordeal. On the other hand I'd be absolutely petrified of the people inside prison, but I'd much rather be alive than dead. I don't think I could deal with the thought of leaving my family behind either [well, in the sense that I'd died anyway].

[Niall]

I would choose life in prison. I am absolutely petrified of death. I couldn't just choose to die. At least with life in prison my life would be lived out normally-ish rather than being killed off.

Also there would be a chance of parole in prison (or is that not allowed here?) which would mean I could return to the normal world.

No. READ the question again! :hugesmile:

Sorry to be harsh!

Ah ok. :spin:

Well then I still pick prison lol!

[setanta]

Life cuz I've obviously been wrongly imprisoned and need time to hatch a plan for a jailbreak.

[ILoveTRW]

Life in prison because id be out within 10 months

[Kazanne]

Life in prison because id be out within 10 months

That is similar to what i was going to post.

[Mystic Mock]

Life in prison because id be out within 10 months

more like a day.:laugh:

[Angus]

I would rather have LIFE in Prison.

To be honest. I don't know what Prison is like. I could be naive to choosing this option. It COULD be easier just to have a quick death.

However.. I would risk going to prison. To be honest.. I think I could possibly be strong enough and last inside a room with only 4 walls. The thing that would scare me the most is the people. If I got beat up and that. This is a risk I would be willing to take.

Lol, I thought at first this thread was about which punishment I would rather have for a paedophile or murderer.

If I had to choose for MYSELF then I think it would be capital punishment, something quick and humane, assuming I had done something terrible enough to deserve it. I really couldn't imagine spending a week in jail, never mind years and years - I would become a basket case. Besides I'd be doing the country a favour as it would only cost them the price of an injection! A kind of payback to society.

[Angus]

capital punishment because the criminals didnt show mercy to the victims, so why should we show mercy to the criminals? sorry i read the question wrong i would want prison if i was a criminal because you get xbox and playstation.

You can also continue your studies and gain a degree or two, or learn a language, take up art classes, write several novels, etc etc - in fact it could be the best thing that ever happened to you:laugh:

[GypsyGoth]

I clicked Capital Punishment, well I didn't read the question :blush: I thought this was about what we would do with criminals.

[MTVN]

I have an absolute fear of dying so I didnt pick capital punishment although I've also wondered whether life would really be worth living when you know you'll be behind bars for the rest of your life.

[Mystic Mock]

I clicked Capital Punishment, well I didn't read the question :blush: I thought this was about what we would do with criminals.

i thought the same thing.

[Kazanne]

Although I said I would take life in prison,I was being flippant,which i shouldn't have been ,so thinking about it were i ever to murder anyone,I dont think I could live with myself so therefore I would go with capital punishment or do it myself,but it would have to be lethal injection,I dont want any pain!!as I really dont know how people can live with themselves after taking anothers life especially a child,how could you walk arounnd smiling,laughing and enjoying life knowing you have snuffed someone elses out?

[MTVN]

Although I said I would take life in prison,I was being flippant,which i shouldn't have been ,so thinking about it were i ever to murder anyone,I dont think I could live with myself so therefore I would go with capital punishment or do it myself,but it would have to be lethal injection,I dont want any pain!!as I really dont know how people can live with themselves after taking anothers life especially a child,how could you walk arounnd smiling,laughing and enjoying life knowing you have snuffed someone elses out?

The OP never says you've been charged with murder though, I think the reason you've been arrested is supposed to be irrelevant tbh.

[AJ.]

Wow didn't think so many people would choose capital punishment. Capital punishment is pretty disgusting imo no matter what the crime, what happened to two wrongs don't make a right? I don't think any rationally thinking man should be able to choose whether someone else lives or dies.

[lostalex]

If i was innocent of the crime i was being accused of, i'd prefer life in prison, so i'd have time to try and exonerate myself.

If i was guilty of such a crime, i'd prefer the death penalty. I'd obviously have serious psychological issues to be capable of such crimes, and would prefer to be put to death, so that i couldn't harm anyone else.

[Tom]

A lot of people who commit murders are psychopathic and feel no remorse so having them spend their life in prison is just a waste of resources. but on the other hand if capital punishment was legalised, people who want to commit suicide would abuse it and could lead to more murders

[Lee.]

If i was innocent of the crime i was being accused of, i'd prefer life in prison, so i'd have time to try and exonerate myself.

If i was guilty of such a crime, i'd prefer the death penalty. I'd obviously have serious psychological issues to be capable of such crimes, and would prefer to be put to death, so that i couldn't harm anyone else.

Yeah, this is exactly how I feel..

[Niamh.]

Life in prison as long as Life was actually LIFE as in until you are dead.

[lostalex]

Wow didn't think so many people would choose capital punishment. Capital punishment is pretty disgusting imo no matter what the crime, what happened to two wrongs don't make a right? I don't think any rationally thinking man should be able to choose whether someone else lives or dies.

isn't that what doctors do everyday?

Some would argue that no man CAN choose whether a man lives or dies. Some would say that decision is made by a higher power. Whether by bullet or scalpel, does any man really decide who lives and dies?

Let's get deep. :P

Some would say no matter the means or circumstances, what IS was meant to be.

Some would say, who are we to presume we have any say in it whatsoever?

Perhaps what happens is exactly what was meant to happen.

[M X]

Life, because that way you have to deal with what you've done. Capital punishment just gives people an easy way out.

[joeysteele]

It all depends. If I didn't have a Conscience, I wouldn't care anyway and would just chill in jail. But if I felt remorse and it would eat away at me for the rest of my living days, then death.

Good point.

I wonder though what the response would have been on here had this question been, should capital punshment or a life sentence be the maximum penalty in the UK for others not ourselves.

[lostalex]

Good point.

I wonder though what the response would have been on here had this question been, should capital punshment or a life sentence be the maximum penalty in the UK for others not ourselves.


wouldn't it be interesting if they chose to have more compasion for others than they'd have for themselves.

i think it's incredibly self-serving and self-righteous when people try to defend child molestors and murders, because i think showing mercy is very self-righteous.

A lot of british people seem to think that by showing mercy to horrible people, it means that THEY themselves are better people. They pardon horrible people in an attempt to seem more merciful themselves. it's so self-serving, and shows that they have no compassion at all for the actual victims of crimes.

It's so self righteous, it's sickening.

[Tom]

Life, because that way you have to deal with what you've done. Capital punishment just gives people an easy way out.

But some people can't feel bad for what they've done because of their mental make up

[lostalex]

Some people are animals. They have no respect for anything or anyone but themselves. There are true sociopaths. Destroying them is an act of mercy.

imo.

[Lee.]

wouldn't it be interesting if they chose to have more compasion for others than they'd have for themselves.

i think it's incredibly self-serving and self-righteous when people try to defend child molestors and murders, because i think showing mercy is very self-righteous.

A lot of british people seem to think that by showing mercy to horrible people, it means that THEY themselves are better people. They pardon horrible people in an attempt to seem more merciful themselves. it's so self-serving, and shows that they have no compassion at all for the actual victims of crimes.

It's so self righteous, it's sickening.

This is so true...

You talk sense :)

[setanta]

wouldn't it be interesting if they chose to have more compasion for others than they'd have for themselves.

i think it's incredibly self-serving and self-righteous when people try to defend child molestors and murders, because i think showing mercy is very self-righteous.

A lot of british people seem to think that by showing mercy to horrible people, it means that THEY themselves are better people. They pardon horrible people in an attempt to seem more merciful themselves. it's so self-serving, and shows that they have no compassion at all for the actual victims of crimes.

It's so self righteous, it's sickening.

Again, it has nothing to do with compassion or mercy - the law has a responsibility to protect people from themselves sometimes because, in my opinion anyway, killing another human being, whether they're beyond help or not, never changes anything and only adds to the collective fear and anger that a society feels.

[lostalex]

Again, it has nothing to do with compassion or mercy - the law has a responsibility to protect people from themselves sometimes because, in my opinion anyway, killing another human being, whether they're beyond help or not, never changes anything and only adds to the collective fear and anger that a society feels.

i think there are 2 major mistakes you make in your opinion.

1st mistake - that keeping someone alive is the default. Being alive is not a default, in fact the vast majority of life on this planet is dead, so death is the default, not life.

2nd mistake - Assuming that any kind of social or governmental program can "reform" anyone. where is the research for this reformation? is there any kind of program on the planet that has shown any significant success rate in reforming criminals??? no thre isn't. infact in every ingle country, from canada to new zealand, no country has shown any truelly sucessful rehabilitation program what we see in every country, is that criminals go on to commit more crimes.

there is NO SUCH THING as REHABILITATION. it doesn't exist.

i am a man of science, and there is no science that supports rehabilitation. IT DOESN'T WORK.

All of the research done about crime around the world shows that no program of rehabilitation has worked. Criminals tend to remain criminals, forever.

[Niamh.]

i think there are 2 major mistakes you make in your opinion.

1st mistake - that keeping someone alive is the default. Being alive is not a default, in fact the vast majority of life on this planet is dead, so death is the default, not life.

2nd mistake - Assuming that any kind of social or governmental program can "reform" anyone. where is the research for this reformation? is there any kind of program on the planet that has shown any significant success rate in reforming criminals??? no thre isn't. infact in every ingle country, from canada to new zealand, no country has shown any truelly sucessful rehabilitation program what we see in every country, is that criminals go on to commit more crimes.

there is NO SUCH THING as REHABILITATION. it doesn't exist.

i am a man of science, and there is no science that supports rehabilitation. IT DOESN'T WORK.

I agree with this. I mean I'm all for trying to reform thieves etc. But murderers and paedophiles? No, No, No, as I have said in that other thread the only way of testing if this rehabilitation works is by putting these people back into society and risking innocent people and that to me is unacceptable. Either lock them up and throw away the key or capital punishment.

[setanta]

i think there are 2 major mistakes you make in your opinion.

1st mistake - that keeping someone alive is the default. Being alive is not a default, in fact the vast majority of life on this planet is dead, so death is the default, not life.

2nd mistake - Assuming that any kind of social or governmental program can "reform" anyone. where is the research for this reformation? is there any kind of program on the planet that has shown any significant success rate in reforming criminals??? no thre isn't. infact in every ingle country, from canada to new zealand, no country has shown any truelly sucessful rehabilitation program what we see in every country, is that criminals go on to commit more crimes.

there is NO SUCH THING as REHABILITATION. it doesn't exist.

i am a man of science, and there is no science that supports rehabilitation. IT DOESN'T WORK.

I'm not talking about the criminal here: I'm talking about society in general and the repercussions the lawful killing of another human being can have on it. It never relieves the pain. Like I said before, the law is there to protect everyone and once you allow death and killing into your heart, well then you learn to devalue life. It's the brutalizing effect.

As for no rehabilitation - I don't believe that at all.

[lostalex]

we have a greater responsibilty to protect the INNOCENT people.

People like you seem more interested in protecting the criminals than the innocent people.

There is no effective rehabilitation process, so how can you be more interested in protecting the criminal than protecting the general public?

the re-offending statistics are startling.

We are all born with all the rights in the world. if you commit a crime, you voluntarily GIVE AWAY those rights.

People need to be held accountable for their decisions. You are GIVEN rights, that doesn't mean they can't be TAKEN away if necessary.

If you TAKE another person's life, you have NO right to life.

How many have been let out of jail and taken more lives because judges wanted to be self-righteous, and wanted to seem "merciful"?

imo, those judges should be held accountable for everything done by the criminals they let out of jail.

[Niamh.]

we have a greater responsibilty to protect the INNOCENT people.

People like you seem more interested in protecting the criminals than the innocent people.

There is no effective rehabilitation process, so how can you be more interested in protecting the criminal than protecting the general public?

the re-offending statistics are startling.

yep, I agree 100% here. Criminals seem to have more rights than anyone else these days. Where is the second chance for the children that paedophiles abuse? And where is the second chance for the people who have been murdered???

[setanta]

we have a greater responsibilty to protect the INNOCENT people.

People like you seem more interested in protecting the criminals than the innocent people.

There is no effective rehabilitation process, so how can you be more interested in protecting the criminal than protecting the general public?

the re-offending statistics are startling.

We are all born with all the rights in the world. if you commit a crime, you voluntarily GIVE AWAY those rights.

You aren't listening to me here. I'm talking about protecting people from themselves. Nothing about the criminals.

And rehabilitation can work.... you can't be investing yourself in such sweeping statements like that.

[Tom]

Rehabilitation works for some people, but not for the majority. Its still worth doing for the minority of people that are helped because its still putting a positive effect on someones life. No 2 criminals are the same.

[Niamh.]

Rehabilitation works for some people, but not for the majority. Its still worth doing for the minority of people that are helped because its still putting a positive effect on someones life. No 2 criminals are the same.

yes but like I said would you risk putting a murderer or paedophile back on the street in the hope that the rehabilitation has worked?

[Tom]

yes but like I said would you risk putting a murderer or paedophile back on the street in the hope that the rehabilitation has worked?

Paedophiles and in some cases murderers can't be rehabilitated. Rehabilitation tends to work for lesser crimes (theft, criminal damage etc). Its all in your psychological make up

[Niamh.]

Paedophiles and in some cases murderers can't be rehabilitated. Rehabilitation tends to work for lesser crimes (theft, criminal damage etc). Its all in your psychological make up

well, I'm all for trying it out on those lesser crimes

[Tom]

well, I'm all for trying it out on those lesser crimes

I think thats the best option. A lot of the time if criminals are just left after commiting small crimes, their offences will get gradually bigger and bigger until they're beyond help. They need to get there early

[lostalex]

how many innocent victims are we willing to sacrifice for the chance that rehabilitation works for one criminal?

[Niamh.]

I think thats the best option. A lot of the time if criminals are just left after commiting small crimes, their offences will get gradually bigger and bigger until they're beyond help. They need to get there early

yes, trying to work with these people is a good thing imo.

[lostalex]

would you send yur kid to be an alter boy with a "rehabilitated" priest?

what's more important? the priest's rehabilitation? or yur child's safety??

[Niamh.]

how many innocent victims are we willing to sacrifice for the chance that rehabilitation works for one criminal?

well you can't lock a thief up forever so isn't trying to rehabilitate him better than not?

[lostalex]

rehabilitation is a farce. it's a myth.

[Niamh.]

would you send yur kid to be an alter boy with a "rehabilitated" priest?

what's more important? the priest's rehabilitation? or yur child's safety??

rehabilitated paedophile priest I think you mean. Not all priests are paedophiles you know.

[Niamh.]

rehabilitation is a farce. it's a myth.

for things like stealing? I doubt it

[lostalex]

rehabilitated paedophile priest I think you mean. Not all priests are paedophiles you know.

you didn't answer the question

[lostalex]

for things like stealing? I doubt it
we arn't talking about stealing, we're talking about crimes punishable by death.

[setanta]

would you send yur kid to be an alter boy with a "rehabilitated" priest?

what's more important? the priest's rehabilitation? or yur child's safety??

At this stage I doubt very much that they'd be letting paedo priests back up on the alter.

[Niamh.]

you didn't answer the question

Well, If you bothered reading any of my previous posts you wouldn't really be asking me that question. I think that paedophiles should never see the light of day again, whether that means locking up for life or death, I couldn't care less. And of course I would never put my child any where near a paedophile. Besides the fact that I'm not religious so my son will never be an alter boy.

[Niamh.]

we arn't talking about stealing, we're talking about crimes punishable by death.

I was talking to Tom about rehabilitation for thieves actually.

[lostalex]

Well, If you bothered reading any of my previous posts you wouldn't really be asking me that question. I think that paedophiles should never see the light of day again, whether that means locking up for life or death, I couldn't care less. And of course I would never put my child any where near a paedophile. Besides the fact that I'm not religious so my son will never be an alter boy.

yea i thought so. that's why i was confused. cause it seemed like you were disagreeing with me, but obviously you don't.

[lostalex]

At this stage I doubt very much that they'd be letting paedo priests back up on the alter.

well you'd think that after the first cases of pedophilia in the church surfaced decades ago, but actually, if you read th stories, it seems the church is actually protecting pedophiles, and they just send the pedo's to new churches. In fact alot of the priests that abused children in the UK and US are now serving in africa and south america, where they're less likely to get caught. doesn't that make you feel better about the catholic church?

[setanta]

well you'd think that after the first cases of pedophilia in the church surfaced decades ago, but actually, if you read th stories, it seems the church is actually protecting pedophiles, and they just send the pedo's to new churches. In fact alot of the priests that abused children in the uk and US are now serving in africa and south america, where they're less likely to get caught. doesn't that make you feel better about the catholic church?

You think that just because I'm Irish I would have anything good to say about the Catholic Church? You're not telling me anything I don't know already and I never attend mass anyway. Don't really understand why you've gone on this kinda tangent though.

[Niamh.]

yea i thought so. that's why i was confused. cause it seemed like you were disagreeing with me, but obviously you don't.

I think when I started talking to Tom about rehabilitation for criminals of lesser crimes thieves etc is where the confusion came about!

[lostalex]

You think that just because I'm Irish I would have anything good to say about the Catholic Church? You're not telling me anything I don't know already and I never attend mass anyway. Don't really understand why you've gone on this kinda tangent though.
umm, no, i didn't assume you were catholic, and I myself am catholic, so if you think i'm some how biased against the church, i'm not. IN fact yu could call me an "insider". I was raised catholic, went to CCD every wednesday up til my confirmation.

(and just for the record i wasn't sexually abused)

[Tom]

umm, no, i didn't assume you were catholic, and I myself am catholic, so if you think i'm some how biased against the church, i'm not. IN fact yu could call me an "insider". I was raised catholic, went to CCD every wednesday up til my confirmation.

(and just for the record i wasn't sexually abused)

What would the lord say about you not wanting to preserve life?