Will John be another Andy Abraham?

[Jack_]

Let's be honest...I doubt anyone was expecting him to be out of the Bottom Three tonight. Who on earth is voting for him enough?

:sleep:

[King Gizzard]

More of something like Gnarls Barkley

[Mystic Mock]

andy abraham fans.

[red]

who's Andy Abraham?:conf:

[GiRTh]

He can sing. Whats the problem?

[setanta]

The man can sing and did very well. Justice

[King Gizzard]

And theres no stupid gimmicks like Katie, cher, nicolo, one direction

[setanta]

And don't forget that he got hardly any exposure from the press or the show itself prior to last night. Very happy for him

[Tom4784]

He'll be gone next week or the week after.

[Zippy]

I loved Andy the binman!

John...meh. Don't see the comparison apart from them both having black cocks.

[Jords]

I loved Andy the binman!

John...meh. Don't see the comparison apart from them both having black cocks.

And black skin in general... :hugesmile:

[BGT-FAN!]

I think its quite stupid you comparing them both because they both are black.
They are completely different, Andy had a lot of footage during the audition process and generally stood out. John we did not even see until judges homes.
They sing completely differently as well.

[Stephanie]

right. he's NOTHING like andy. you're just saying that because they are both black.

[Jack_]

It's got nothing to do with him being black :joker:

I really don't think [from what I can remember] anyone expected Andy to come 2nd in Series 2. That was my point.

[Zippy]

It's got nothing to do with him being black :joker:

I really don't think [from what I can remember] anyone expected Andy to come 2nd in Series 2. That was my point.

Andy was popular from the offset as I remember; with the ole binman doing good for his kids angle.

He was very visible...opposite of John.

[Stephanie]

It's got nothing to do with him being black :joker:

I really don't think [from what I can remember] anyone expected Andy to come 2nd in Series 2. That was my point.
well it obviously is, seeing as there is nothing similar about them.

good luck with your john is "dull" campaign, when he isn't actually that dull and people like him and are voting for him. it's getting tiring.

[Beastie]

I preferred Andy. However he was given a rubbish song!! Hope he has more of an upbeat song next week!!

[Patrick]

Is it 'cause he's black?

LOL He does look like him I thought it was old Andy when I saw him at first.

[Stephanie]

http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/sm3/mar2008/4/7/6FBA8CDF-FE12-7C9D-B58263BAFD61624D.jpghttp://images.tvrage.com/people/115/342176.jpg

the spitting image of him paddy.. or not :L

[Zippy]

Is it 'cause he's black?

LOL He does look like him I thought it was old Andy when I saw him at first.

FFS lets hope you and Jack never get called up as a witness to pick out somebody in a police line up of black men!

[Jack_]

well it obviously is, seeing as there is nothing similar about them.

I've just told you what's similar about them. Maybe my memory is bad, but that's how I remember it.

good luck with your john is "dull" campaign, when he isn't actually that dull and people like him and are voting for him. it's getting tiring.

A) If he's not dull why haven't we seen more of him over the series?
B) Could you really see him having a sell-out tour?
C) Could you really see him having chart success?
D) In what performance did he show us something 'different' [i.e the 'X Factor']?
E) If votes translate as not being dull, how come Rachel won BB9?

At the end of the day he is dull. Nice voice, but nothing different, special or interesting about him.

[joeysteele]

FFS lets hope you and Jack never get called up as a witness to pick out somebody in a police line up of black men!

Really funny trying to picture this,classic comment.

[Kerry]

He killed one of my favourite songs. Nice voice but he wasn't suited to that

[Stephanie]

I've just told you what's similar about them. Maybe my memory is bad, but that's how I remember it.



A) If he's not dull why haven't we seen more of him over the series?
B) Could you really see him having a sell-out tour?
C) Could you really see him having chart success?
D) In what performance did he show us something 'different' [i.e the 'X Factor']?
E) If votes translate as not being dull, how come Rachel won BB9?

At the end of the day he is dull. Nice voice, but nothing different, special or interesting about him.
probably because all the focus has been on cher and katie? and all their patheticness.
can you see most of the others having a sell-out tour? no.
depends what your definition is, in his auditions and bootcamp, he was upbeat, didn't mess up his words, nice voice, good style. what more have the others had? ..oh right yeah just messing up their words and crying.
maybe because everyone got together to vote for her to win? which is why she won and most people watching big brother like nice people and vote out the bitches? x factor and big brother are completely different, you can't really compare them.

you just have a problem with people.

[Zippy]

ooh anybody else sensing tension between Steph and Jack?

Im gripped.

[Beastie]

ooh anybody else sensing tension between Steph and Jack?

Im gripped.

They used to go out!!!! Japhanie they used to be called.

:love:

But then.. Steph turned Jack gay!!!! :shocked:

[Stephanie]

They used to go out!!!! Japhanie they used to be called.

:love:

But then.. Steph turned Jack gay!!!! :shocked:
we actually went out for real lmao, not just pretending for the sake of japhanie :L

[Zippy]

They used to go out!!!! Japhanie they used to be called.

:love:

But then.. Steph turned Jack gay!!!! :shocked:

LMFAO

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/5348/didnt.gif

[Jack_]

probably because all the focus has been on cher and katie? and all their patheticness.

But why do you think they've chosen to show them over John? Cher is something we've never had on X Factor before and Katie is...well...different, that's a fact. Quirky is the word I'm looking for. A marmite character. Both are entertaining though - and that's why people tune in. To be entertained. Had they shown acts like John no one would be watching.

can you see most of the others having a sell-out tour? no.

Yes. Cher definitely, she has enough support already. TreyC if she turns into Alexandra II.

depends what your definition is, in his auditions and bootcamp, he was upbeat, didn't mess up his words, nice voice, good style. what more have the others had? ..oh right yeah just messing up their words and crying.

I can't even remember his Audition and Bootcamp, that's how dull he is. Infact, did they even show his Audition on the main show?

As for the 'messing up the words' thing, that's what's tiring.

Cher - 1/4 [that we've seen]...and you could excuse the one performance because she was ill. Can't help that.

Katie - 2/5 [that we've seen]. Give her a few weeks and that'll be 2/10.

maybe because everyone got together to vote for her to win? which is why she won and most people watching big brother like nice people and vote out the bitches? x factor and big brother are completely different, you can't really compare them.

But they got together as a forum campaign to go against the producer's 'favourite'. They knew they didn't want her to win, so they made her win.

Pete, Brian, Brian, Josie were all nice people - but they all did something. It's not like all the winners were dull like Rachel.

And you can, really, because both have positive voting at some point in the series [BB Final week, XF throughout].

you just have a problem with people.

What people?

[Jack_]

But then.. Steph turned Jack gay!!!! :shocked:

:nono:

Pan. No, bi. No, just not gay. Women > Men. I think guys are just things for me to look at :p

[Zippy]

Pan! LOL

[Stephanie]

But why do you think they've chosen to show them over John? Cher is something we've never had on X Factor before and Katie is...well...different, that's a fact. Quirky is the word I'm looking for. A marmite character. Both are entertaining though - and that's why people tune in. To be entertained. Had they shown acts like John no one would be watching.



Yes. Cher definitely, she has enough support already. TreyC if she turns into Alexandra II.



I can't even remember his Audition and Bootcamp, that's how dull he is. Infact, did they even show his Audition on the main show?

As for the 'messing up the words' thing, that's what's tiring.

Cher - 1/4 [that we've seen]...and you could excuse the one performance because she was ill. Can't help that.

Katie - 2/5 [that we've seen]. Give her a few weeks and that'll be 2/10.



But they got together as a forum campaign to go against the producer's 'favourite'. They knew they didn't want her to win, so they made her win.

Pete, Brian, Brian, Josie were all nice people - but they all did something. It's not like all the winners were dull like Rachel.

And you can, really, because both have positive voting at some point in the series [BB Final week, XF throughout].



What people?
cbf to get into a whole debate with you now. i'm too tired, and had enough of them to last a lifetime. just whatever, you have your opinion and i'll have mine.

[Beastie]

:nono:

Pan. No, bi. No, just not gay. Women > Men. I think guys are just things for me to look at :p

Oh lol!

[Zippy]

http://www.beercandleforums.com/imagehosting/14b926f534aa4d.gif

[Crimson Dynamo]

John/Andy reminds me of the guy who was not a main character who got beamed down to the enemy planet with Spock, Bones and Kirk in Star Trek.

Nice enough guy but you knew that he was going to get killed and not beamed back up.

[fruit_cake]

:joker:

[HBB1508]

:joker: The curse of the red shirt!!!!

[cub]

I preferred Andy. However he was given a rubbish song!! Hope he has more of an upbeat song next week!!

:dance::joker:

[HBB1508]

I like John and hope he goes far - I much prefer his humbleness to the arrogance of Cher.

[MeMyselfAndI]

well it obviously is, seeing as there is nothing similar about them.

good luck with your john is "dull" campaign, when he isn't actually that dull and people like him and are voting for him. it's getting tiring.

he got more votes than Katie Weasel Face :hugesmile:
Jack just jealous as john is MORE popular!
so therefore cant be any less dull!
more people like HIM! than her!
and more pople are ENTERTAINED by him than her

ps. i dont even like him . But he is better than Katie by miles and deserved to be out of the top 3 over people like her

[MeMyselfAndI]

I've just told you what's similar about them. Maybe my memory is bad, but that's how I remember it.



A) If he's not dull why haven't we seen more of him over the series?
B) Could you really see him having a sell-out tour?
C) Could you really see him having chart success?
D) In what performance did he show us something 'different' [i.e the 'X Factor']?
E) If votes translate as not being dull, how come Rachel won BB9?

At the end of the day he is dull. Nice voice, but nothing different, special or interesting about him.


A) More interesting than Katie. He got more votes, people feel more entertained by him than katie

B) He would sell more than Katie obviously, as more people spent money on voting for him

C) more Chart sucess than Katie, she sings like 1980s songs that are old. The chart indusrty has moved on. John doesn't always sing 1980s hence billionaire

D) Judges Houses he was quite good. Better than Katie was :rolleyes: she never sang basically

E) Big Brother and The X Factor are different. X Factor is mainly a singing competition.. Normally a 'good' singer wins if not the best singer.. (leona). You cant go by the X Factor and Big Brother totally different shows lmao

[Jack_]

he got more votes than Katie Weasel Face :hugesmile:
Jack just jealous as john is MORE popular!
so therefore cant be any less dull!
more people like HIM! than her!
and more pople are ENTERTAINED by him than her

ps. i dont even like him . But he is better than Katie by miles and deserved to be out of the top 3 over people like her

A) More interesting than Katie. He got more votes, people feel more entertained by him than katie

B) He would sell more than Katie obviously, as more people spent money on voting for him

C) more Chart sucess than Katie, she sings like 1980s songs that are old. The chart indusrty has moved on. John doesn't always sing 1980s hence billionaire

D) Judges Houses he was quite good. Better than Katie was :rolleyes: she never sang basically

E) Big Brother and The X Factor are different. X Factor is mainly a singing competition.. Normally a 'good' singer wins if not the best singer.. (leona). You cant go by the X Factor and Big Brother totally different shows lmao

What utter, utter rubbish. The only reason Katie isn't polling any votes is because no one is willing to give her a chance after the Gamu rubbish. It's laughable. It seems no one can get over the fact Gamu is gone...she's *****ed off, so it's time to start fresh. And that includes not having petty vendettas against other acts and their judges [i.e Cheryl and Katie]. At the end of the day, Katie's sing-off performance last night was not only far better than FYD's, but it was a very strong vocal performance...something which a lot of people have said she lacks.

And he's obviously not more entertaining/interesting than her otherwise people wouldn't be talking about Katie and would be talking about John, obviously. But that isn't the case. Katie's more noticed, and why? Because she's a marmite character and interesting...something which John isn't. Votes don't translate as how 'interesting' someone is, because as we've already established, the petty Gamu fans aren't moving on and Rachel Rice ended up winning Big Brother 9.

And as for the BB/XF comparison - yes I can compare them, because they both use a positive voting system at some point.

[Stephanie]

he got more votes than Katie Weasel Face :hugesmile:
Jack just jealous as john is MORE popular!
so therefore cant be any less dull!
more people like HIM! than her!
and more pople are ENTERTAINED by him than her

ps. i dont even like him . But he is better than Katie by miles and deserved to be out of the top 3 over people like her
finally. someone else who see's this.

[Z]

What utter, utter rubbish. The only reason Katie isn't polling any votes is because no one is willing to give her a chance after the Gamu rubbish. It's laughable. It seems no one can get over the fact Gamu is gone...she's *****ed off, so it's time to start fresh. And that includes not having petty vendettas against other acts and their judges [i.e Cheryl and Katie]. At the end of the day, Katie's sing-off performance last night was not only far better than FYD's, but it was a very strong vocal performance...something which a lot of people have said she lacks.

And he's obviously not more entertaining/interesting than her otherwise people wouldn't be talking about Katie and would be talking about John, obviously. But that isn't the case. Katie's more noticed, and why? Because she's a marmite character and interesting...something which John isn't. Votes don't translate as how 'interesting' someone is, because as we've already established, the petty Gamu fans aren't moving on and Rachel Rice ended up winning Big Brother 9.

And as for the BB/XF comparison - yes I can compare them, because they both use a positive voting system at some point.


What planet are you on, Jack? How exactly are "the petty Gamu fans" affecting Katie's lack of votes? Katie clearly just isn't appealing to the public. She gave a poor performance, had a song choice that did not fit her vocals at all and her outfit was the main talking point of the performance, and not in a positive way. She just came across as trying too hard to appear zany because she's not very good in the first place; that's why I believe she was in the bottom three. I'll be interested to see if she was 15th or 14th when they release the voting percentages at the end of the series; I get the impression Dannii and Louis put out F.Y.D under pressure from Simon to keep Katie for controversy. She'll probably be safe next week because there's always a spike in votes for someone who's been in the bottom two, especially in the early weeks (notable exception of Rachel Adedeji being in the bottom two in weeks 1 and 2; but then she came top of the voting in week 3 as a result of that) but I wouldn't expect her to make it beyond week 4 at best.

At the end of the day, John probably pulled in more votes because he came across as a very polite and caring person, and gave a flawless vocal. People like you are just mumbling about him being boring because he's not wearing plastic visors or making ridiculous facial expressions while he sings. I'd compare his personality to Leona - very humble and appealing; Katie comes across as a Rah girl with a very vapid sense of manners and a bit fake; without the talent to balance that.

[Mystic Mock]

What planet are you on, Jack? How exactly are "the petty Gamu fans" affecting Katie's lack of votes? Katie clearly just isn't appealing to the public. She gave a poor performance, had a song choice that did not fit her vocals at all and her outfit was the main talking point of the performance, and not in a positive way. She just came across as trying too hard to appear zany because she's not very good in the first place; that's why I believe she was in the bottom three. I'll be interested to see if she was 15th or 14th when they release the voting percentages at the end of the series; I get the impression Dannii and Louis put out F.Y.D under pressure from Simon to keep Katie for controversy. She'll probably be safe next week because there's always a spike in votes for someone who's been in the bottom two, especially in the early weeks (notable exception of Rachel Adedeji being in the bottom two in weeks 1 and 2; but then she came top of the voting in week 3 as a result of that) but I wouldn't expect her to make it beyond week 4 at best.

At the end of the day, John probably pulled in more votes because he came across as a very polite and caring person, and gave a flawless vocal. People like you are just mumbling about him being boring because he's not wearing plastic visors or making ridiculous facial expressions while he sings. I'd compare his personality to Leona - very humble and appealing; Katie comes across as a Rah girl with a very vapid sense of manners and a bit fake; without the talent to balance that.

i agree with you zee.

[Stephanie]

i agree with you zee.
same.

[Z]

And how do you justify Cher not being in the bottom three under this assumption that 'petty Gamu fans' are causing people to not vote for Katie? It's solely down to her lack of appeal, not because of newspaper headlines.

[Jack_]

What planet are you on, Jack? How exactly are "the petty Gamu fans" affecting Katie's lack of votes? Katie clearly just isn't appealing to the public. She gave a poor performance, had a song choice that did not fit her vocals at all and her outfit was the main talking point of the performance, and not in a positive way. She just came across as trying too hard to appear zany because she's not very good in the first place; that's why I believe she was in the bottom three. I'll be interested to see if she was 15th or 14th when they release the voting percentages at the end of the series; I get the impression Dannii and Louis put out F.Y.D under pressure from Simon to keep Katie for controversy. She'll probably be safe next week because there's always a spike in votes for someone who's been in the bottom two, especially in the early weeks (notable exception of Rachel Adedeji being in the bottom two in weeks 1 and 2; but then she came top of the voting in week 3 as a result of that) but I wouldn't expect her to make it beyond week 4 at best.

At the end of the day, John probably pulled in more votes because he came across as a very polite and caring person, and gave a flawless vocal. People like you are just mumbling about him being boring because he's not wearing plastic visors or making ridiculous facial expressions while he sings. I'd compare his personality to Leona - very humble and appealing; Katie comes across as a Rah girl with a very vapid sense of manners and a bit fake; without the talent to balance that.

I'm not saying she's 'appealing to the public', but the fact that she undeservedly received the brunt of the backlash following the fury over Cheryl's choices doesn't help matters, really. As I said...people just aren't willing to give her a chance. Threads and posts on this forum and other forums, and on Newspaper website comments sections before the Live Shows even started would tell you that. Throughout the last week I don't think I have seen a single comment anywhere from a Katie 'hater' that has said 'I'm willing to give her a chance...', instead it's just been endless comments of 'UGH hope she's out first week. I won't be voting. Stole Gamu's place' and more whining.

Whilst I admit the song choice on Saturday was pretty awful, and the performance wasn't great - there is no denying that her performance in the sing-off was far, far better than FYD's. How anyone could dispute that is just beyond me. Because that song did show off her vocal talent. That is a fact. She can sing. Hopefully she now won't be lumbered with such awful song choices, courtesy of Cheryl [because as far as I'm aware, the judge's chose the songs, don't they?], and is given the opportunity to show off her vocal talent [which we have already seen...it just seems some people are oblivious to it or are purposefully putting it over their heads]. And that 'opportunity' includes people still endlessly moaning about the Gamu incident. After her performance in the sing-off only, if you ask me, she deserves a chance. I don't expect her to do very well either, despite everything I've just said...because the majority of people will not give her a chance, as a result of the Gamu incident.

I very much doubt Dannii and Louis kept Katie for 'controversy' either, because as I've said, she was the better act in the sing-off.

And whilst John was admittedly good, I don't think he gave a 'flawless vocal' at all. His performances just aren't very memorable, really. I very much doubt the topic of conversation regarding X Factor across the country on Sunday and today was or will be 'wow, did you see that amazing performance John gave!'. Of course he'll have his fans, and I'm not saying that Katie will be a main topic of conversation either, because her performance on Saturday was average, but I think it's a lot more likely that she'll have been talked about than John, even if it was for what she was wearing, her so-called 'annoying' personality or her appearance in the Bottom Three on Sunday, and then her much, much better performance. As I've said before, she is a marmite character - John isn't. Marmite characters are people that divide opinion, and to divide opinion you've got to somehow draw attention to yourself...i.e be interesting/entertaining etc. If someone sparks a lot of discussion [Katie], then they are obviously interesting/intriguing/entertaining.

Katie comes across as a bit fake

You could argue that Lady Gaga is the same...but we all now how popular she is. She is weird, quirky and different - and I really, really don't think it's her music that makes her so popular, really. It's her sense of style and how out-going she is. Of course no one's going to buy her music if it's awful, but I don't think there's any denying that a lot of the attraction towards her and the attention she receives is a direct result of the 'odd' personality she has.


And how do you justify Cher not being in the bottom three under this assumption that 'petty Gamu fans' are causing people to not vote for Katie? It's solely down to her lack of appeal, not because of newspaper headlines.

The majority of people's problems with Cheryl's choices were not with Cher, they were with Katie. They thought Gamu should've replaced Katie.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Jack_

leona > Katie

she was not necesarrily interesting. BUT im sure she would sell out more than Katie Weasel.Its not all about personlity..

Leonas the most sucessfull and popular x factor contestant does that mean she has the best personality and is the most interesting.. no

John Adeyleyne > Katie

[Braden]

daft

[Joelle.]

Let's be honest...I doubt anyone was expecting him to be out of the Bottom Three tonight. Who on earth is voting for him enough?

:sleep:

I didn't expect him to be in the bottom 3 at all. I wasn't at all surprised at the bottom 3 and the only thing that was wrong was that Katie didn't go. Nicolo absolutely deserved it. FYD less so. He won't get to the final though. That will most likely be Matt, Rebecca and Aiden or Treyc.

[MeMyselfAndI]

took the words out of my mouth

Whilst I admit the song choice on Saturday was pretty awful, and the performance wasn't great - there is no denying that her performance in the sing-off was far, far better than FYD's. How anyone could dispute that is just beyond me. Because that song did show off her vocal talent. That is a fact. She can sing.
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umm you supported LLoyd over Rachel Adedji in the sing off did you not!

[Smithy]

oh dear lord

[Joelle.]

took the words out of my mouth

Whilst I admit the song choice on Saturday was pretty awful, and the performance wasn't great - there is no denying that her performance in the sing-off was far, far better than FYD's. How anyone could dispute that is just beyond me. Because that song did show off her vocal talent. That is a fact. She can sing.
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umm you supported LLoyd over Rachel Adedji in the sing off did you not!

I could dispute that. Katie Weasel cannot sing. That is a fact. She murdered We Are The Champions and whatever she sang in the final showdown.

[MeMyselfAndI]

i agree Katie cant sing lol

i never wanted her through lol!

i dislike her the most!

Yes Gamu is involved, she stole gamus place. She proved to me on Saturday that she did steal gamus place.. as she is awful at singing and ANNOYING and wears stupid outfits

[Jack_]

Jack_

leona > Katie

she was not necesarrily interesting. BUT im sure she would sell out more than Katie Weasel.Its not all about personlity..

Leonas the most sucessfull and popular x factor contestant does that mean she has the best personality and is the most interesting.. no

John Adeyleyne > Katie

Wow. Hold. The. Phone. You finally admit it...

I'm not saying it's always the case - because there's always an exception to the rule, the exception here being that Leona has outstanding vocal talent. I very much doubt the people buying tickets to her tour are expecting her to be riding on elephants and swinging from ropes whilst wearing a gorilla costume. On the other hand I very much doubt anyone paying for tickets to Jedward's tour [or gig...not sure whether they've had a real tour yet] are paying to see their oustanding vocal talent - because it doesn't exist. They're paying to see a show, to be entertained. That's where you would expect to see the above. It's the same for Katie except not as extreme [more related to her outfits and 'look' and how quirky she would be. Think Gaga, really], and she also has a nice voice [not oustanding], but nice...and certainly not as bad as people are making it out to be.

I didn't expect him to be in the bottom 3 at all. I wasn't at all surprised at the bottom 3 and the only thing that was wrong was that Katie didn't go. Nicolo absolutely deserved it. FYD less so. He won't get to the final though. That will most likely be Matt, Rebecca and Aiden or Treyc.

How on earth did FYD deserve to stay over Katie when not only did they perform worse in the sing-off but are also pretty dull, not interesting, their dancing is better than their singing, have nothing more to give, etc etc?

took the words out of my mouth

Whilst I admit the song choice on Saturday was pretty awful, and the performance wasn't great - there is no denying that her performance in the sing-off was far, far better than FYD's. How anyone could dispute that is just beyond me. Because that song did show off her vocal talent. That is a fact. She can sing.
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umm you supported LLoyd over Rachel Adedji in the sing off did you not!

Can't remember - it was a year ago. And I couldn't stand Rachel anyway, she was also dull [before someone says Lloyd was, yes, I know, but hey, at least he had the look...Rachel didn't have that].

[Stephanie]

deary me :joker:

[Jack_]

whatever she sang in the final showdown.

:sleep:

[MeMyselfAndI]

i never admitted leona is boring or dull

i was saying it for the case of what you think or others. sorry should of made that clear ;/

In my opinion she is the most interesting celebrity ever with the best personality and i so fun!!

[Joelle.]

:sleep:

What is that supposed to mean? At least write what you want to say instead of using emoticons to speak for you.

[Jack_]

In my opinion she is the most interesting celebrity ever with the best personality and i so fun!!

You are joking there, right? Please?

:joker:

[MeMyselfAndI]

god i hated rachel adedji too :joker:

but you cant deny she was a great singer, whilst lloyd was not the best..
and she had vocals which he did not

(i wanted lloyd to stay too, as she had been in the bottom 2 twice before, but its just what you said was hypocritical..)

[MeMyselfAndI]

You are joking there, right? Please?

:joker:

nope she makes me laugh in interviews and on the radio etc. Espeacilly about her rabbit Earney!

[Jack_]

What is that supposed to mean? At least write what you want to say instead of using emoticons to speak for you.

I've done that already in this thread...look back at my posts. It's obvious she can sing and she sung well in the sing-off. How anyone dispute that [unless of course they're purposefully being difficult] is beyond me. She was better than FYD and can sing. She's no Mariah Carey but she has got a nice voice and can sing.

[Stephanie]

I've done that already in this thread...look back at my posts. It's obvious she can sing and she sung well in the sing-off. How anyone dispute that [unless of course they're purposefully being difficult] is beyond me. She was better than FYD and can sing. She's no Mariah Carey but she has got a nice voice and can sing.
it's not obvious that she can sing, and i really don't think she did well in the sing-off. all she did was repeat the same lines over and over and sounded pretty bad.

[Z]

I'm not saying she's 'appealing to the public', but the fact that she undeservedly received the brunt of the backlash following the fury over Cheryl's choices doesn't help matters, really. As I said...people just aren't willing to give her a chance. Threads and posts on this forum and other forums, and on Newspaper website comments sections before the Live Shows even started would tell you that. Throughout the last week I don't think I have seen a single comment anywhere from a Katie 'hater' that has said 'I'm willing to give her a chance...', instead it's just been endless comments of 'UGH hope she's out first week. I won't be voting. Stole Gamu's place' and more whining.

Whilst I admit the song choice on Saturday was pretty awful, and the performance wasn't great - there is no denying that her performance in the sing-off was far, far better than FYD's. How anyone could dispute that is just beyond me. Because that song did show off her vocal talent. That is a fact. She can sing. Hopefully she now won't be lumbered with such awful song choices, courtesy of Cheryl [because as far as I'm aware, the judge's chose the songs, don't they?], and is given the opportunity to show off her vocal talent [which we have already seen...it just seems some people are oblivious to it or are purposefully putting it over their heads]. And that 'opportunity' includes people still endlessly moaning about the Gamu incident. After her performance in the sing-off only, if you ask me, she deserves a chance. I don't expect her to do very well either, despite everything I've just said...because the majority of people will not give her a chance, as a result of the Gamu incident.

I very much doubt Dannii and Louis kept Katie for 'controversy' either, because as I've said, she was the better act in the sing-off.

And whilst John was admittedly good, I don't think he gave a 'flawless vocal' at all. His performances just aren't very memorable, really. I very much doubt the topic of conversation regarding X Factor across the country on Sunday and today was or will be 'wow, did you see that amazing performance John gave!'. Of course he'll have his fans, and I'm not saying that Katie will be a main topic of conversation either, because her performance on Saturday was average, but I think it's a lot more likely that she'll have been talked about than John, even if it was for what she was wearing, her so-called 'annoying' personality or her appearance in the Bottom Three on Sunday, and then her much, much better performance. As I've said before, she is a marmite character - John isn't. Marmite characters are people that divide opinion, and to divide opinion you've got to somehow draw attention to yourself...i.e be interesting/entertaining etc. If someone sparks a lot of discussion [Katie], then they are obviously interesting/intriguing/entertaining.



You could argue that Lady Gaga is the same...but we all now how popular she is. She is weird, quirky and different - and I really, really don't think it's her music that makes her so popular, really. It's her sense of style and how out-going she is. Of course no one's going to buy her music if it's awful, but I don't think there's any denying that a lot of the attraction towards her and the attention she receives is a direct result of the 'odd' personality she has.




The majority of people's problems with Cheryl's choices were not with Cher, they were with Katie. They thought Gamu should've replaced Katie.



Cheryl received all of the backlash, actually; Katie is not liked because Katie is not likable. People were angry because Cheryl put through two girls who didn't even manage to sing in front of her without messing up. The backlash was all aimed at her. Even if it was the case that Katie was receiving backlash for something she was not responsible for - the X Factor is a positive vote, not a negative one - plenty of untalented people receive large amounts of votes (see Jedward, Chico Slimani et cetera et cetera) in spite of critics saying they don't deserve to be there. How do you explain Wagner going through? You're going to have to accept it, Jack, she didn't get the votes because of her own failings, there is nobody to blame here other than Katie. Nobody is going to state "I'm willing to give her a chance" when she's done nothing to merit that response. People were saying the same things about Cher and she came out and performed well; shutting plenty of people up - Katie didn't, and so Katie was in the bottom three.

Her sing-off performance was much better than the Saturday night song, but if anything it just showed how weak her voice is to me. She's a capable singer within the boundaries of what she can sing; but she's not got an extensive range or pitch, she'd do well with jazzy little numbers but instead she's attempting to sing the likes of Queen; aiming way higher than she can reach. Her voice is quite nice, but nothing special and We Are The Champions underlined that point rather effectively. I can't believe you're still pushing this 'it's Gamu's fault Katie isn't doing well' argument. The X Factor is a positive voting competition. Katie failed to impress vocally amongst 16 acts; that is why she fell into the bottom three. Are you under the impression that everyone who joined the Facebook group in support of Gamu purposely spent their Saturday/Sunday voting for all of the fifteen acts other than Katie to ensure she'd be in the bottom three? Because that's the vibe I'm getting from you, you're genuinely unable to see the reality of the situation.

F.Y.D performed to the best of their abilities too - they can sing and dance, which is what Simon seems to be pushing all the acts into doing this year going by Bootcamp, they were good in their own way. The judges are very shrewd; they'd rather keep Katie than F.Y.D because she's a far more controversial figure than they are; but please note I'm not discrediting Katie's sing-off performance, it was good, but not outstanding, and neither was F.Y.D's.

Thanks for the explanation of what a marmite character is. You don't need to be an attention seeker to successfully sell lots of records, though. Talent will always be more acclaimed than gimmicks. Lady GaGa was not as eccentric as she now is when she first started. People liked the song they heard when she first came onto the scene; the image came later. She's got a knack for producing catchy beats and lyrics; the style was the catalyst for the level of fame she is now at.

You are wrong in saying that "The majority of people's problems with Cheryl's choices were not with Cher, they were with Katie. They thought Gamu should've replaced Katie." The majority of people's problems were with Cheryl choosing both of them as they failed to deliver at her house. From where did you pull the statistic that people were actually just meaning Katie when they bitched about Cheryl's decision? People were arguing that any of the other girls should have gotten through over the two of them because they'd managed to successfully audition at the final hurdle.

[Joelle.]

How on earth did FYD deserve to stay over Katie when not only did they perform worse in the sing-off but are also pretty dull, not interesting, their dancing is better than their singing, have nothing more to give, etc etc?

Katie Weasel cannot sing. Fact. I wouldn't say FYD are brilliant myself but anyone deserved to stay over Katie, even Wagner. You're always going on about how much you like the entertaining ones but how was Katie even remotely entertaining.

1) She can't sing for ****.
2) The Gaga-esque props could not cover up what was a very dire performance.
3) She has no stage presence at all due to her extremely weak voice.

[Jack_]

it's not obvious that she can sing, and i really don't think she did well in the sing-off. all she did was repeat the same lines over and over and sounded pretty bad.

Not really her fault...that's the song. It's the voice that counts, not the song.

Anyway, forgetting about her sing-off performance, this was another good performance from her:

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...how can anyone still say she can't sing? It's obvious that she can. No Mariah obviously, but neither is Diana Vickers...she can still sing.

[Stephanie]

Not really her fault...that's the song. It's the voice that counts, not the song.

Anyway, forgetting about her sing-off performance, this was another good performance from her:

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...how can anyone still say she can't sing? It's obvious that she can. No Mariah obviously, but neither is Diana Vickers...she can still sing.
she can't. either can diana vickers.

[Joelle.]

Not really her fault...that's the song. It's the voice that counts, not the song.

Anyway, forgetting about her sing-off performance, this was another good performance from her:

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...how can anyone still say she can't sing? It's obvious that she can. No Mariah obviously, but neither is Diana Vickers...she can still sing.

Diana Vickers can sing. Katie Weasel can't. There is no comparison between them lol. And never mind another good perfomance from her, it was the only other performance she has actually finished and even that was poor.

[Jack_]

Cheryl received all of the backlash, actually; Katie is not liked because Katie is not likable. People were angry because Cheryl put through two girls who didn't even manage to sing in front of her without messing up. The backlash was all aimed at her. Even if it was the case that Katie was receiving backlash for something she was not responsible for - the X Factor is a positive vote, not a negative one - plenty of untalented people receive large amounts of votes (see Jedward, Chico Slimani et cetera et cetera) in spite of critics saying they don't deserve to be there. How do you explain Wagner going through? You're going to have to accept it, Jack, she didn't get the votes because of her own failings, there is nobody to blame here other than Katie. Nobody is going to state "I'm willing to give her a chance" when she's done nothing to merit that response. People were saying the same things about Cher and she came out and performed well; shutting plenty of people up - Katie didn't, and so Katie was in the bottom three.

Her sing-off performance was much better than the Saturday night song, but if anything it just showed how weak her voice is to me. She's a capable singer within the boundaries of what she can sing; but she's not got an extensive range or pitch, she'd do well with jazzy little numbers but instead she's attempting to sing the likes of Queen; aiming way higher than she can reach. Her voice is quite nice, but nothing special and We Are The Champions underlined that point rather effectively. I can't believe you're still pushing this 'it's Gamu's fault Katie isn't doing well' argument. The X Factor is a positive voting competition. Katie failed to impress vocally amongst 16 acts; that is why she fell into the bottom three. Are you under the impression that everyone who joined the Facebook group in support of Gamu purposely spent their Saturday/Sunday voting for all of the fifteen acts other than Katie to ensure she'd be in the bottom three? Because that's the vibe I'm getting from you, you're genuinely unable to see the reality of the situation.

F.Y.D performed to the best of their abilities too - they can sing and dance, which is what Simon seems to be pushing all the acts into doing this year going by Bootcamp, they were good in their own way. The judges are very shrewd; they'd rather keep Katie than F.Y.D because she's a far more controversial figure than they are; but please note I'm not discrediting Katie's sing-off performance, it was good, but not outstanding, and neither was F.Y.D's.

Thanks for the explanation of what a marmite character is. You don't need to be an attention seeker to successfully sell lots of records, though. Talent will always be more acclaimed than gimmicks. Lady GaGa was not as eccentric as she now is when she first started. People liked the song they heard when she first came onto the scene; the image came later. She's got a knack for producing catchy beats and lyrics; the style was the catalyst for the level of fame she is now at.

You are wrong in saying that "The majority of people's problems witd h Cheryl's choices were not with Cher, they were with Katie. They thought Gamu should've replaced Katie." The majority of people's problems were with Cheryl choosing both of them as they failed to deliver at her house. From where did you pull the statistic that people were actually just meaning Katie when they bitched about Cheryl's decision? People were arguing that any of the other girls should have gotten through over the two of them because they'managed to successfully audition at the final hurdle.

Cheryl might've received a lot of it but Katie received a fair bit of it, so did Cher - but Katie moreso. When Cher has arguably been one of the most talked about/popular contestants this series, compared to Katie, I think it's very unlikely that she received an equal amount of 'hate' as Katie as a result of going through.

Jedward, Wagner, Chico were all novelty acts - and were/are all, admittedly, more entertaining than Katie. That's why they received the vote. I'm not saying people sat around purposely voting for all other fifteen contestants over the weekend - but refusing to give Katie a chance all week was what I was getting at. I admit her performance was pretty awful, and of course that's not going to help these 'haters' vote for her and change their opinions of her, but after her sing-off performance I believe she should now be given a chance - because she has proved that she can sing. No Mariah Carey, I know, but as I've said, neither was Diana Vickers...but people still liked/like her. It's the tone that counts, not vocal olympics. Her performance on the Saturday of the third week will be what counts [should she get through this week, which I think is unlikely, personally], as then people will [hopefully] be judging a performance and not the fact that she was in the Bottom Two/Three the previous week. Hypothetically, if she pulled off an awful or average performance in that week - then I would quite happily stand back and admit that fair enough, people aren't voting because she isn't good enough. You have my word. But right now I can't see that - all I see is Gamugate and the possiblity of a reprieve next week because she was in the Bottom Three.

Neither performances were outstanding, no, but Katie's was superior to FYD's. I can't see how you could dispute that...

Regarding the Gaga thing, that might be true - but this certainly looks eccentric to me:

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Katie Weasel cannot sing. Fact. I wouldn't say FYD are brilliant myself but anyone deserved to stay over Katie, even Wagner. You're always going on about how much you like the entertaining ones but how was Katie even remotely entertaining.

1) She can't sing for ****.
2) The Gaga-esque props could not cover up what was a very dire performance.
3) She has no stage presence at all due to her extremely weak voice.

Rebecca has no stage presence [yet] whatsoever...so I don't see your point?

Oh, and she can sing. See the performances I've mentioned/posted.

[Jack_]

she can't. either can diana vickers.

Of course Diana can sing...why else would people be buying her music? It's not like she's a novelty act...

As I said, it's the tone that counts, not having the ability to perform vocal olympics like Mariah Carey.

Diana Vickers can sing. Katie Weasel can't. There is no comparison between them lol. And never mind another good perfomance from her, it was the only other performance she has actually finished and even that was poor.

I don't think this is really going anywhere, to be honest - she can sing, but you [for whatever reason] seem to think she can't. We may as well agree to disagree.

[Joelle.]

Rebecca has no stage presence [yet] whatsoever...so I don't see your point?

Oh, and she can sing. See the performances I've mentioned/posted.

At what point did I even mention Rebecca? Just because she is my favourite act are you going to slate her now?

Rebecca doesn't have much stage presence yet but at least she has a fantastic voice.

Katie has neither stage presence or a decent voice.

[Smithy]

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[Jack_]

At what point did I even mention Rebecca? Just because she is my favourite act are you going to slate her now?

Rebecca doesn't have much stage presence yet but at least she has a fantastic voice.

Katie has neither stage presence or a decent voice.

I just thought I'd bring it up seeing as you were slating one of my favourites by saying they don't have stage presence. It works both ways. I accept Katie doesn't have it [yet], but neither does Rebecca. So I don't understand your point? None of them really do [apart from the obvious ones like Storm and Diva Fever], it's the first week.

Katie does have a decent voice - but as I've already said, we may as well agree to disagree. This is going nowhere.

[Z]

Cheryl might've received a lot of it but Katie received a fair bit of it, so did Cher - but Katie moreso. When Cher has arguably been one of the most talked about/popular contestants this series, compared to Katie, I think it's very unlikely that she received an equal amount of 'hate' as Katie as a result of going through.

Jedward, Wagner, Chico were all novelty acts - and were/are all, admittedly, more entertaining than Katie. That's why they received the vote. I'm not saying people sat around purposely voting for all other fifteen contestants over the weekend - but refusing to give Katie a chance all week was what I was getting at. I admit her performance was pretty awful, and of course that's not going to help these 'haters' vote for her and change their opinions of her, but after her sing-off performance I believe she should now be given a chance - because she has proved that she can sing. No Mariah Carey, I know, but as I've said, neither was Diana Vickers...but people still liked/like her. It's the tone that counts, not vocal olympics. Her performance on the Saturday of the third week will be what counts [should she get through this week, which I think is unlikely, personally], as then people will [hopefully] be judging a performance and not the fact that she was in the Bottom Two/Three the previous week. Hypothetically, if she pulled off an awful or average performance in that week - then I would quite happily stand back and admit that fair enough, people aren't voting because she isn't good enough. You have my word. But right now I can't see that - all I see is Gamugate and the possiblity of a reprieve next week because she was in the Bottom Three.

Neither performances were outstanding, no, but Katie's was superior to FYD's. I can't see how you could dispute that...

Regarding the Gaga thing, that might be true - but this certainly looks eccentric to me:

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They received flak in equal measure; if by backlash you're measuring it in terms of tabloid headlines. Cher was getting all sorts of stories about being arrogant and up herself, I saw more of those than articles about Katie so I'm not really sure why you think Katie was getting more backlash than Cher; if anything it was the other way round. Cher had that initial buzz about her first audition, but she and Katie were both talked about lots because of Cheryl's decision and it evidently didn't dent Cher's popularity enough to put her into the bottom three, leading me to conclude that it didn't dent her popularity in the first place. Katie's first audition was enough to brand her as annoying, Cheryl even said she was annoying when she put her through. She's not so much a marmite figure but someone that just can't be liked, with fans such as yourself struggling to defend that simple fact. Accept it and move on; it's got nothing to do with Gamu, Cher, Cheryl or anyone else.

What relevance does it have then, people not giving Katie a chance all week? Her opportunity to change minds was on Saturday and she failed to do so. You're evidently annoyed that people still dislike her, but to date she's only given two (if that) performances that people can praise (bootcamp + sing-off). Two performances have gone right for her. That's the same as 1 Direction and Belle Amie who only formed at bootcamp; that's bad going. She'll certainly avoid bottom two/three next week because I expect she'll have a much more suitable song choice that she will be able to sing well, and will benefit from the vote spike; but I think will inevitably fall back into the bottom two/three in Week 3 unless she's outstanding - but even that isn't enough to save people sometimes, look at Week 3 last year - Miss Frank and Danyl were, if I remember correctly, both given nothing but praise from the judges and ended up as the bottom two. There's an example of a 'serious' act who got through despite haters: Danyl! He at least had the talent to combat the hate towards him.

I can dispute the FYD/Katie thing because there's been a great emphasis on being able to dance as well as sing this series; which is something FYD can do, they gave a good performance and so did Katie. Katie's was better vocally, but FYD have more strings to their bow and gave more to the performance. It's a matter of personal preference. I thought Katie was visibly struggling to sing the song and was singing to the best of her vocal abilities, and her vocals didn't impress me all that much.

As for GaGa, that first video was a pre-cursor to what was to come; the song was going around before the video came along - as I said, people liked the song and then the image. I'd say Christina Aguilera's Dirrty video is more eccentric than Just Dance.

[StGeorge]

Katie has a very weak voice when it comes to certain songs and having to show emotion, she should stick to raspy Bonnie Tyler type songs.

[Jack_]

They received flak in equal measure; if by backlash you're measuring it in terms of tabloid headlines. Cher was getting all sorts of stories about being arrogant and up herself, I saw more of those than articles about Katie so I'm not really sure why you think Katie was getting more backlash than Cher; if anything it was the other way round. Cher had that initial buzz about her first audition, but she and Katie were both talked about lots because of Cheryl's decision and it evidently didn't dent Cher's popularity enough to put her into the bottom three, leading me to conclude that it didn't dent her popularity in the first place. Katie's first audition was enough to brand her as annoying, Cheryl even said she was annoying when she put her through. She's not so much a marmite figure but someone that just can't be liked, with fans such as yourself struggling to defend that simple fact. Accept it and move on; it's got nothing to do with Gamu, Cher, Cheryl or anyone else.

What relevance does it have then, people not giving Katie a chance all week? Her opportunity to change minds was on Saturday and she failed to do so. You're evidently annoyed that people still dislike her, but to date she's only given two (if that) performances that people can praise (bootcamp + sing-off). Two performances have gone right for her. That's the same as 1 Direction and Belle Amie who only formed at bootcamp; that's bad going. She'll certainly avoid bottom two/three next week because I expect she'll have a much more suitable song choice that she will be able to sing well, and will benefit from the vote spike; but I think will inevitably fall back into the bottom two/three in Week 3 unless she's outstanding - but even that isn't enough to save people sometimes, look at Week 3 last year - Miss Frank and Danyl were, if I remember correctly, both given nothing but praise from the judges and ended up as the bottom two. There's an example of a 'serious' act who got through despite haters: Danyl! He at least had the talent to combat the hate towards him.

I can dispute the FYD/Katie thing because there's been a great emphasis on being able to dance as well as sing this series; which is something FYD can do, they gave a good performance and so did Katie. Katie's was better vocally, but FYD have more strings to their bow and gave more to the performance. It's a matter of personal preference. I thought Katie was visibly struggling to sing the song and was singing to the best of her vocal abilities, and her vocals didn't impress me all that much.

As for GaGa, that first video was a pre-cursor to what was to come; the song was going around before the video came along - as I said, people liked the song and then the image. I'd say Christina Aguilera's Dirrty video is more eccentric than Just Dance.

I'm measuring it in terms of posts on this forum, DS, and other places - as well as people I have spoken to about X Factor out and about. The large majority of them said that Cher deserved to go through, but not Katie. And there would've been far more uproar than the Gamu incident had Cher not gone through, let's be honest. Like I said earlier, she has arguably been the most popular/talked about contestant this year.

When you say 'You're evidently annoyed that people still dislike her', that's wrong. It doesn't really bother me, to be honest. People can like and dislike who they want, more often than not it's people that start a debate with me [in this thread...as you can see it's gone totally off-topic] than me starting a debate with others. I just try and justify my own opinion. Of course I'd like people to like her [isn't that the same for a fan of anything?], but if they don't then that's not really got much to do with me...she still has my support [and the support of her other fans]. What does niggle at me though [not annoy], is when dull contestants are favoured over more interesting ones. You can refer to my numerous posts throughout Big Brother this year to see that.

Regarding the Danyl thing - I have always believed that was just a case of his fans assuming he was safe, and didn't bother voting.

I'll accept the FYD/Katie sing-off is a matter of personal preference then, but I personally believe in this instance only the singing should be the only thing being judged, hence the name. All other performances should factor everything else that comes under the 'X Factor'.

I'll also accept defeat with the Gaga thing :)