The only 2 with X-factor are..

[Christmas Dynasnow]

if you go on press interest ( and for press/media read you and me)

Cher

Katie


the rest can f off


X-Factor is that something that makes you want to read about a person and watch them - only these 2 have it. DONT deny it.

[Stacey.]

Agreed that they both have the X Factor :D

[Jords]

Ugh no.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Ugh no.

face it

[Jords]

face it

No.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

No.

You must:nono:

[In the Drunk Tank]

Yeah I agree. As much as I like Wagner as well, he's just a gimmick really tbh.

[StGeorge]

if you go on press interest ( and for press/media read you and me)

Cher

Katie


the rest can f off


X-Factor is that something that makes you want to read about a person and watch them - only these 2 have it. DONT deny it.

Yeah you're probably right, those two do make the headlines....but so did Raol Moat & Saddam. But as this show is about a recording artist with the x-factor....then having two artists who struggle to sing is missing the point some what.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Yeah you're probably right, those two do make the headlines....but so did Raol Moat & Saddam. But as this show is about a recording artist with the x-factor....then having two artists who struggle to sing is missing the point some what.

Your point is misplaced. Both your examples are not pop stars. if you still think the music business is about who can sing the best then I suggest you are way, way off the mark.

[Jack_]

I agree. Finally someone with some sense!

[GypsyGoth]

Kaite & Cher :lovedup:

[StGeorge]

Your point is misplaced. Both your examples are not pop stars. if you still think the music business is about who can sing the best then I suggest you are way, way off the mark.

Im 47 LT....and if Cher is an example of what the current music business is all about....then you can shove it.

Fortunately there are some good young singers out there to keep me interested....but Cher's chav act is not one of them.

My point was that being a successful recording artist should be about selling copious amounts of records and keeping the appeal through time, and not just some five minute fad for being controversial, making headlines or having spiky hair.

[mizzy25]

cher reminds me of lady soverein of celeb bb fame although i liked sov i dont like cher

[Jords]

I wish people realised The X Factor is a singing contest which therefore should be based on their vocal ability, tone of voice and their stage presence/performance etc.

I hate when the judges throw '______ has definitely got The X Factor' when they dont even give a reason why! Gets right on my nipples.
The only reason why you think these 2 have this so called 'X Factor' is because of the outfits they wear and the fact they come across as bitches in the newspaper, which supposedly makes them more interesting (NAAAT).

Fair do's that personality plays a role, you dont get the urge to watch somebody dull, but to be quite honest Cher plays up to having an attitude and its more annoying than anything.

Having the 'X Factor' should be something to do with talent - Rebecca's tone/Matt's range/Wagner's general unique-ness when performing which is entertaining

Edit: Its quite easy to put on an attitude and dress up (I really like Katie but she was so desperate at Bootcamp and Live Show 1, although I do think she has it because her voice is so soft and unique).

[GiRTh]

Does making the headlines means they deserve to win a talent contest?

[Jack_]

Does making the headlines means they deserve to win a talent contest?

Yes. Because it's about who is the most commercially viable. Do you really see John selling loads of records or having a sell-out tour?

Cher, on the other hand...

[Smithy]

Yes. Because it's about who is the most commercially viable. Do you really see John selling loads of records or having a sell-out tour?

Cher, on the other hand...

Cher on the other hand would flop similar to Joe

[Jack_]

Cher on the other hand would flop similar to Joe

:joker:

Course she would...

Two female winners - the most successful. Four male winners - so far, only one has been successful. And then you add the fact that she has arguably been one of the most talked about and popular contestants this year. And that Tinie Tempah more or less said on Xtra Factor he would collaborate with her...and he has had a lot of chart success this year. Yeah, she'd really flop...

[Zippy]

I can't see any act this year being a big success tbh. I can see Cher having a couple of hits if she hooks up with the right producers(Tinie, call me) but I certainly don't see her selling out concerts n shyt.

Katie? Hmm if she found the right material maybe but the odds are against. Its cutthroat out there for female singers at the moment. Just tons of competition.

[Jords]

Yes. Because it's about who is the most commercially viable. Do you really see John selling loads of records or having a sell-out tour?

Cher, on the other hand...

The most talented should win a talent show. You should be looking at it like a viewer, your not Simon Cowell.

[GiRTh]

Yes. Because it's about who is the most commercially viable. Do you really see John selling loads of records or having a sell-out tour?

Cher, on the other hand...Susan Boyle would sell out more venues than Cher so what do you mean by 'commercially viable'?

[Tom]

Mary also has the X Factor, so do Matt (even though I'm not so keen on him) and Rebecca

Cher is just a complete idiot and she makes me cringe

[Jack_]

The most talented should win a talent show. You should be looking at it like a viewer, your not Simon Cowell.

But talent in this show is not just vocal ability, it includes stage presence, personality, the 'look', the whole package, basically - hence the name 'X Factor'. I might not be Simon Cowell, but at the end of the day the show is looking for an artist that is commercially viable...and those are the ones that people should be supporting, really. What's the point in having a winner that will not have any success following the show whatsoever, but letting them win just because they are, supposedly the most 'talented'? We may as well not bother watching the show if the winner is definitely not going to go on to be successful...

[MeMyselfAndI]

Well Leona is the X Factor. She wasnt making newspapers and stuff..
and i am sure she will be more sucessfull than cher and katie.
you are totally wrong. Its the best singers that will do the best and crack worldwide.. hence leona

[MeMyselfAndI]

But talent in this show is not just vocal ability, it includes stage presence, personality, the 'look', the whole package, basically - hence the name 'X Factor'. I might not be Simon Cowell, but at the end of the day the show is looking for an artist that is commercially viable...and those are the ones that people should be supporting, really. What's the point in having a winner that will not have any success following the show whatsoever, but letting them win just because they are, supposedly the most 'talented'? We may as well not bother watching the show if the winner is definitely not going to go on to be successful...

Well If we go by the most sucessfull one ever. Thats Leona she never had all this press and newspapers before, and look at her! This thread means nothing imo, it is a singing contest, and the best singers do the best, people dont listen to music because someone has a good personality, or because they enjoy reading about them. They listen to them to listen through an album. I mean who would want to listen to an Album by Katie Waissel? NO ONE

[Tom]

Yes. Because it's about who is the most commercially viable. Do you really see John selling loads of records or having a sell-out tour?

Cher, on the other hand...

... wouldn't be able to sustain a career by herself with her own gimmicks. She might get big collaborations as you mention but theres no point being an artist if you have to ride on someone elses coattails

Cher has a disgusting attitude and a bad personality. She can't sing, she can't rap, she just plagarises everything and there is nothing unique or original about her whatsoever. I sometimes find it a bit uncomfortable when shes on stage, shes just a huge car crash

[Jack_]

Susan Boyle would sell out more venues than Cher so what do you mean by 'commercially viable'?

But Susan Boyle has outstanding vocal talent with the 'story' that backs it up [basically that she's an ugly oddball...]. That's why people were drawn to her on BGT and are still drawn to her. Because you wouldn't normally put the voice with someone like her...

Cher on the other hand appeals to young teenagers especially [the general mainstream music market nowadays] and would sell.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Well leona hadsellout UK tour and fastest selling debut album ever, so whats stopping John if he has a good voice?

[GiRTh]

But talent in this show is not just vocal ability, it includes stage presence, personality, the 'look', the whole package, basically - hence the name 'X Factor'. I might not be Simon Cowell, but at the end of the day the show is looking for an artist that is commercially viable...and those are the ones that people should be supporting, really. What's the point in having a winner that will not have any success following the show whatsoever, but letting them win just because they are, supposedly the most 'talented'? We may as well not bother watching the show if the winner is definitely not going to go on to be successful...If vocal ability comes so low down on your list of must haves then why bother having auditions?

[Tom]

Cher on the other hand appeals to young teenagers especially [the general mainstream music market nowadays] and would sell.

and when the younger audience get bored of her, pop goes her career. She can't reinvent herself because she just is one big gimmick with zero talent

[Zippy]

The most talented should win a talent show. You should be looking at it like a viewer, your not Simon Cowell.

But talent isn't all about being blessed with a great voice. The best singers this year are not the best performers or biggest personalities. Having star quality and drawing peoples attention is a talent too. Personality can get you very far in the entertainment business.

[GiRTh]

But Susan Boyle has outstanding vocal talent with the 'story' that backs it up [basically that she's an ugly oddball...]. That's why people were drawn to her on BGT and are still drawn to her. Because you wouldn't normally put the voice with someone like her...

Cher on the other hand appeals to young teenagers especially [the general mainstream music market nowadays] and would sell.Saying that then surely Mary is just as 'commercially viable'.

[MeMyselfAndI]

If vocal ability comes so low down on your list of must haves then why bother having auditions?

lol Vocal ability is the most important, I mean Leona, Alexandra and JLS have very good voices thats why they are sucessfull, Thats why Eoughan was not!

[MeMyselfAndI]

I think the best possible winner would be Matt Cardle, he would be the most sucessfull, with Cher a close 2nd, then One Direction, Then TreyC and Aiden. Everyone else would be a HUGE flop

[MeMyselfAndI]

Gamu woud of been the biggest hit <3 :D

[Jack_]

Well If we go by the most sucessfull one ever. Thats Leona she never had all this press and newspapers before, and look at her! This thread means nothing imo, it is a singing contest, and the best singers do the best, people dont listen to music because someone has a good personality, or because they enjoy reading about them. They listen to them to listen through an album.

Lady Gaga is one of the most popular artists in the world right now...but are you really trying to suggest she has an amazing voice? :joker:

Leona, like Susan Boyle, has outstanding vocal talent and is a 'nice' person. That's why people are drawn to her.

I mean who would want to listen to an Album by Katie Waissel? NO ONE

Me...and her fans, so I guess you fail there, kid.

I see her as another Diana Vickers, really. And Diana Vickers is doing well, so...

Well leona hadsellout UK tour and fastest selling debut album ever, so whats stopping John if he has a good voice?

John doesn't have outstanding vocal talent like Leona though, he has a good voice but it's nowhere near outstanding and thus he'd need to be interesting to launch his career, but he's not, he's dull, doesn't draw the audience in [like Leona and Susan Boyle do through their outstanding vocal talent, and like Katie, Cher and Diana Vickers do because they're 'quirky' and 'different']. The chances of him having a sell-out tour or selling millions of records are extremely slim...

... wouldn't be able to sustain a career by herself with her own gimmicks. She might get big collaborations as you mention but theres no point being an artist if you have to ride on someone elses coattails

I do think she could be successful by herself, if you ask me. Like I said, she has arguably been one of the most talked about/popular contestants this year...can't see why she would not have the support from her fans to sustain a career...

Cher has a disgusting attitude and a bad personality. She can't sing, she can't rap, she just plagarises everything and there is nothing unique or original about her whatsoever. I sometimes find it a bit uncomfortable when shes on stage, shes just a huge car crash[/QUOTE]

I think she's just...odd, myself. It comes across as arrogance but I really don't believe that's what it is. I think she's just a bit weird...

And there's nothing wrong with having confidence in your performances anyway. Robbie Williams is a cocky ***** [bad example, but is the only one I could think of off the top of my head], but it still worked for him.

[Jords]

But talent in this show is not just vocal ability, it includes stage presence, personality, the 'look', the whole package, basically - hence the name 'X Factor'. I might not be Simon Cowell, but at the end of the day the show is looking for an artist that is commercially viable...and those are the ones that people should be supporting, really. What's the point in having a winner that will not have any success following the show whatsoever, but letting them win just because they are, supposedly the most 'talented'? We may as well not bother watching the show if the winner is definitely not going to go on to be successful...

Its people that think like this which is why artists who do not have much singing talent [e.g. Cheryl Cole, although she can put on a performance credit due] are so successful and sadly vice versa.

When it comes to an album, you dont hear personality, you dont hear stage presence, you dont hear somebody's appearance style, you hear their raw talent - if you have that your gonna sell none the less! Its those who dont have that big raw talent that rely so much on the other factors, which are important, but not close to vocal ability - you need to have them all for your career to work (if Cher was an ugly mess, dressed like a tramp and had her stinkin' attitude she'd go nowhere, and if she dressed like she does but was boring and said nothing, it would also not work). Oh, and autotune. :)

[Jack_]

If vocal ability comes so low down on your list of must haves then why bother having auditions?

Because that's how the show works, and there would be screams of 'fix' etc if the producers just hand picked who they wanted. And how are they supposed to find anyone if they don't hold Auditions in the first place? The Auditions are always my least favourite part of the show anyway...

and when the younger audience get bored of her, pop goes her career.

Is that not the same for most mainstream artists nowadays though? Lots of artists come and go...

Saying that then surely Mary is just as 'commercially viable'.

For the Susan Boyle market, yes.

[Zippy]

..and the best singers do the best, people dont listen to music because someone has a good personality, or because they enjoy reading about them. They listen to them to listen through an album.

So Madonna, Britney and the Spice girls etc became global superstars because of their great voices?

No.

Music isn't all about great vocals. Its about the production and the delivery...and how its sold. It's a package deal.

[Tom]

I do think she could be successful by herself, if you ask me. Like I said, she has arguably been one of the most talked about/popular contestants this year...can't see why she would not have the support from her fans to sustain a career...

I think she's just...odd, myself. It comes across as arrogance but I really don't believe that's what it is. I think she's just a bit weird...

And there's nothing wrong with having confidence in your performances anyway. Robbie Williams is a cocky ***** [bad example, but is the only one I could think of off the top of my head], but it still worked for him.

Confidence or even arrogance isn't bad imo, its just her whole manner (the so called "swagger" :rolleyes:)

You're right to say she is one of the most talked about contestants, but its noy mainly for the right reasons. Most people can't stand her and negativity doesn't sell records

She may have initial support from her fans but once the X Factor bubble bursts, thats it, you're on your own. If you've not got any talent to back it up (which she doesn't) then fans will desert you in droves

Is that not the same for most mainstream artists nowadays though? Lots of artists come and go...

She'd have 2-3 years maximum and thats being generous. Thats hardly a successful career really. She has to survive without X Factor next year- something previous contestants have been able to capitalise on and its probably not going to happen

[Jack_]

Its people that think like this which is why artists who do not have much singing talent [e.g. Cheryl Cole, although she can put on a performance credit due] are so successful and sadly vice versa.

I'm not really a huge fan of Cheryl's musical career to be honest with you, but that's how the market works nowadays. People can moan all they want but that's the way it works and that's how we're all going to have to accept it.

When it comes to an album, you dont hear personality, you dont hear stage presence, you dont hear somebody's appearance style, you hear their raw talent - if you have that your gonna sell none the less! Its those who dont have that big raw talent that rely so much on the other factors, which are important, but not close to vocal ability - you need to have them all for your career to work (if Cher was an ugly mess, dressed like a tramp and had her stinkin' attitude she'd go nowhere, and if she dressed like she does but was boring and said nothing, it would also not work). Oh, and autotune. :)

I don't really think that's always the case - Jedward can't sing for sh!t and they've been successful...

Quite a lot of fans of these people will just buy their albums/merchandise purely because they're a fan of their other work/qualities, regardless of whether they have vocal talent or not...

And I'm not disputing what you said about Cher, because it's the truth - but like I said that's the way the market works nowadays, like it or loathe it.

[GiRTh]

Because that's how the show works, and there would be screams of 'fix' etc if the producers just hand picked who they wanted. And how are they supposed to find anyone if they don't hold Auditions in the first place? The Auditions are always my least favourite part of the show anyway...
So you think its fixed? Given your thoughts then the auditions process is useless and this year it does seem like the judges have hand picked their fave without considering vocal ability.

[bbfan1991]

The most talented should win a talent show. You should be looking at it like a viewer, your not Simon Cowell.

The producers and Cowell won't care about who is the most talented, all they want is someone who can make them lots of cash and they can promote.. think of it in a business sense which is why I don't take it seriously:p.

[bbfan1991]

and when the younger audience get bored of her, pop goes her career. She can't reinvent herself because she just is one big gimmick with zero talent

Maybe people would get bored with the others too?;).

[Zippy]

Jedward can't sing for sh!t and they've been successful...



Not musically though. Huge flop.

They may be making money but its not from the one Top 10 hit.

[Jords]

The producers and Cowell won't care about who is the most talented, all they want is someone who can make them lots of cash and they can promote.. think of it in a business sense which is why I don't take it seriously:p.

Yes but this doesnt mean we need to think of it like that!

[bbfan1991]

Confidence or even arrogance isn't bad imo, its just her whole manner (the so called "swagger" :rolleyes:)

You're right to say she is one of the most talked about contestants, but its noy mainly for the right reasons. Most people can't stand her and negativity doesn't sell records

She may have initial support from her fans but once the X Factor bubble bursts, thats it, you're on your own. If you've not got any talent to back it up (which she doesn't) then fans will desert you in droves



She'd have 2-3 years maximum and thats being generous. Thats hardly a successful career really. She has to survive without X Factor next year- something previous contestants have been able to capitalise on and its probably not going to happen


Strictly not true because she divides opinion, plus the voting does the talking and she got through last week cue lots of demonstrations at the XF HQ from the Gamu supporters:joker:.

[Jack_]

Confidence or even arrogance isn't bad imo, its just her whole manner (the so called "swagger" :rolleyes:)

You're right to say she is one of the most talked about contestants, but its noy mainly for the right reasons. Most people can't stand her and negativity doesn't sell records

She may have initial support from her fans but once the X Factor bubble bursts, thats it, you're on your own. If you've not got any talent to back it up (which she doesn't) then fans will desert you in droves

She has a lot of fans to balance the negativity though...she is basically a marmite character, though I would say she has slightly more fans than haters.

I don't agree with the last bit either, most fans [well, the real fans] of the winners/contestants will follow their progress and wait to see what happens, they look forward to hearing the new material etc. A lot of these don't voice this [like some of them do on forums], but I'd hedge a bet that a lot of them are still thinking it, eager to see what they release...

She'd have 2-3 years maximum and thats being generous. Thats hardly a successful career really.

For an average mainstream chart artist nowadays I'd say that's not bad going. I doubt any X Factor contestant [maybe with the exception of Leona, but even that's pushing it] is going to have a 20 year career.

[Zippy]

..cue lots of demonstrations at the XF HQ from the Gamu supporters:joker:.

:joker:

dont get me started with the Gamalulu pictures again...

[bbfan1991]

Yes but this doesnt mean we need to think of it like that!

They're still managing to fool some but thankfully most people are realising what really goes on:).

[bbfan1991]

:joker:

dont get me started with the Gamalulu pictures again...

LOL she's planning revenge from Zimbabweville:bawling:.

[Jords]

Anyway, I do get the appeal of Cher but Im just arguing the case that her and Katie are NOT the only ones to have The friggin' X Factor.

[Jack_]

So you think its fixed? Given your thoughts then the auditions process is useless and this year it does seem like the judges have hand picked their fave without considering vocal ability.

No? When did I say it was fixed? I said there would be cries of fix if there wasn't an Audition process and the Judge's/producers just picked some peopple off of the street. That's not a fair competition. Auditions have to be held anyway or else where are they going to find people like Cher? And the Auditions is to most people [not me] the most popular part of the show, because you get the most entertainment out of it. So it's not entirely 'useless', it's just that they bore me after a while...

[Tom]

For an average mainstream chart artist nowadays I'd say that's not bad going. I doubt any X Factor contestant [maybe with the exception of Leona, but even that's pushing it] is going to have a 20 year career.

Alex will still be around in 10 years, so will Leona. They can reinvent themselves time and time again because they proved themselves to be very versatile (moreso Alex) so when her career hits the skids she can get it back on track with a new sound. Meanwhile, Cher won't be able to do that. If they have disco week or divas week shes screwed.

I wouldn't be surprised if JLS were still going in 10 years either, Girls Aloud managed it

[Jack_]

Anyway, I do get the appeal of Cher but Im just arguing the case that her and Katie are NOT the only ones to have The friggin' X Factor.

I think the only other one that has it is Matt, I could see him being another Shayne. Possibly One Direction tapping into the JLS market...

And then to a lesser extent Rebecca, and TreyC [same market as Alexandra, really]. Oh, and maybe Aiden.

[Zippy]

Anyway, I do get the appeal of Cher but Im just arguing the case that her and Katie are NOT the only ones to have The friggin' X Factor.

I think they are in the sense that their talent is not as obvious. Its something that draws people but hard to pinpoint why.

The ones with great voices have their only real talent out there on show. Thats their appeal and we get it.

[Jack_]

Alex will still be around in 10 years, so will Leona. They can reinvent themselves time and time again because they proved themselves to be very versatile (moreso Alex) so when her career hits the skids she can get it back on track with a new sound. Meanwhile, Cher won't be able to do that. If they have disco week or divas week shes screwed.

I wouldn't be surprised if JLS were still going in 10 years either, Girls Aloud managed it

Okay, fair point, but I think out of this years acts, Cher, along with a couple of others, all have the chance to sustain a career of a few years. It's better for them to have the potential to have a career than have no potentital to have a career whatsoever ...

[In the Drunk Tank]

The X Factor is not just about finding the person who is techinically the best singer. It's about finding the next big artist, finding someone who could succeed in the music industry.

And to do that you need looks, a prominent personality, originality, you need someone who people want to talk about, someone making headlines. Cher is doing that without a doubt. Of course, you need to have a good voice as well, but you need so much more than that, and that is why John could never win.

[bbfan1991]

The X Factor is not just about finding the person who is techinically the best singer. It's about finding the next big artist, finding someone who could succeed in the music industry.

And to do that you need looks, a prominent personality, originality, you need someone who people want to talk about, someone making headlines. Cher is doing that without a doubt. Of course, you need to have a good voice as well, but you need so much more than that, and that is why John could never win.

I don't mind people criticising Cher about her personality or performances because obviously on here we all have different opinions and like different acts but i've noticed in general some of the critics of her and Katie do go on as if they've committed a crime sometimes.. I just see it as a Saturday night entertainment show and if some want to take it seriously fair enough, but theres no need to go OTT when theres other things more important out there:rolleyes:.

[fruit_cake]

I think Matt, Aiden and Rebecca are the only ones with X-factor.. I don't really understand the idea of 'groups' :conf: it always seemed to me that 5 rubbish singers don't make one good singer.. but I suppose a good group is more about image than singing ability so one direction are a good group and so are belle amie IMO

[Tom]

The X Factor is not just about finding the person who is techinically the best singer. It's about finding the next big artist, finding someone who could succeed in the music industry.

And to do that you need looks, a prominent personality, originality, you need someone who people want to talk about, someone making headlines. Cher is doing that without a doubt. Of course, you need to have a good voice as well, but you need so much more than that, and that is why John could never win.

The X Factor is first and foremost an entertainment show and its mainly used to promote the winners single and any other Sony artists releasing singles towards the end of the year. Any careers that comes once the series is over is just a bonus. Noone actually cares for the acts once they've left the competition or once the series is over, just like Big Brother

Don't be fooled into thinking its a genuine talent competition, its not

[In the Drunk Tank]

The X Factor is first and foremost an entertainment show and its mainly used to promote the winners single and any other Sony artists releasing singles towards the end of the year. Any careers that comes once the series is over is just a bonus. Noone actually cares for the acts once they've left the competition or once the series is over, just like Big Brother

Don't be fooled into thinking its a genuine talent competition, its not

I agree, it is an entertainment show. But what they want out of a winner is someone who can succeed in the music industry, they don't really care that much about finding the best singer imo.

[_Seth]

They're both annoying little sluts with bad attitudes.

[Holly Christmas]

Having the X Factor emcompasses talent, and likeability.

Cher hasn't got it!

Matt, Rebecca, Treyc, Mary and One Direction have for sure.

Most contestants have one or the other, some have neither.

I won't upset people by being specific.

[Kazanne]

I really hope Cher does NOT win as imo she has weak vocals,she doesn't have the 'look' as people say and her head really shouldn't get any bigger as she will be falling over!!!she is not sexy or attractive,but I can understand kids will like her!

[Kazanne]

Having the X Factor emcompasses talent, and likeability.

Cher hasn't got it!

Matt, Rebecca, Treyc, Mary and One Direction have for sure.

Most contestants have one or the other, some have neither.

I won't upset people by being specific.

I agree with this and hope Matt goes on to win.

[Zippy]

Mary doesnt have the Xfactor. Just a big voice and a humble story. Its Andy the binman all over again.

Bingo cabaret.

Yawn.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Mary doesnt have the Xfactor. Just a big voice and a humble story. Its Andy the binman all over again.

Bingo cabaret.

Yawn.

:nono:

Andy > Mary

[Zippy]

:nono:

Andy > Mary

Oh I agree. I liked Andy. He had soul at least.

I meant the humble story angle.

Why do people want to be entertained by drab, ordinary people who work on supermarket checkouts? Dont get it.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Oh I agree. I liked Andy. He had soul at least.

I meant the humble story angle.

Why do people want to be entertained by drab, ordinary people who work on supermarket checkouts? Dont get it.

Oh yeah I agree with that. Every week with Mary in her VT they seem to mention it, having a mundane job really isnt that interesting :bored: