Joe is an epic flop- #6 (now #21)

[Tom]

:joker:

[Locke.]

Worse than Leon :)

[Smithy]

:laugh2:

Said this as soon as he won last year

[SacredDiablo]

stacey solomon would have made it to no.1 in the charts

[Zippy]

Dramaqueen.

No need for the word epic. Its a relative flop but he still has a shot with the right release. I think a ballad would have been safer as a kick off track.

Plus pretty male popstars have been out of vogue for some years now(apart from tweeny magnet Bieber). Not sure why but it seems to be all about female solo stars.

And him declaring his love of dick wouldnt have helped either. Maybe he needs to scramble back into the closet and lose the cheesy choreography and styling?

[Jack_]

I feel sorry for him, he doesn't deserve it really [and it's made worse by the fact that he apparently was scared sh!tless for his career after what happened to Leon]...

Looks like Shayne might be heading down the same route as well [purposely] except that's down to the terrible mismanagement that he is being given...

[MTVN]

Took me a while to realise what this was about, that really is embarassing :laugh:

[Smithy]

stacey solomon would have made it to no.1 in the charts

:love:

[Maia]

:laugh2:

Said this as soon as he won last year

Same here :laugh2: Was just so obvious.

[_Seth]

:(

[Lewis.]

stacey solomon would have made it to no.1 in the charts

:hugesmile:

[Jack_]

stacey solomon would have made it to no.1 in the charts

Stacey was another Leona, really...so there was no point in her winning

[Tom]

Dramaqueen.

No need for the word epic. Its a relative flop but he still has a shot with the right release. I think a ballad would have been safer as a kick off track.

Plus pretty male popstars have been out of vogue for some years now(apart from tweeny magnet Bieber). Not sure why but it seems to be all about female solo stars.

And him declaring his love of dick wouldnt have helped either. Maybe he needs to scramble back into the closet and lose the cheesy choreography and styling?

Winning by a big margin in front of 19m viewers and then promoting your 'anticipated' first single in front of 15m viewers only to get to #6 :joker:

He doesnt even have the consolation of getting the 'given' number 1 at the end of the series :pat:

[Zippy]

stacey solomon would have made it to no.1 in the charts

She released a track and it flopped. And it was a charity single too.

So no.

[Shaun]

is this with physical release too? :/ oh dear.

[Smithy]

Stacey was another Leona, really...so there was no point in her winning

That isn't necessarily a bad thing, she's done well, and her new album is meant to be all uptempo and stuff, plus Stacey had a personality, which as you keep banging on about it oh so important

[Zippy]

is this with physical release too? :/ oh dear.

I think physical is next week. Can't be arsed to check.

[Smithy]

She released a track and it flopped. And it was a charity single too.

So no.

Er, no she didn't the track was never physically released, plus it wasn't even under her name on iTunes, her vocals boosted the album sales and it got #5

[Zippy]

He doesnt even have the consolation of getting the 'given' number 1 at the end of the series :pat:

Yes he does. Or did :pat:

[Jack_]

She released a track and it flopped. And it was a charity single too.

So no.

Seriously? LOL! :joker:

That isn't necessarily a bad thing, she's done well, and her new album is meant to be all uptempo and stuff,

Whose? Leona's?

plus Stacey had a personality, which as you keep banging on about it oh so important

I never said I didn't like her, I did, and I enjoyed it when she appeared on BBLB this summer. She's funny. It's just that she would've gone down the same route as Leona [ballad after ballad] and her sound is pretty much the same. So there was no point in her winning, really.

[Jordan.]

:laugh2:

[Tom]

She released a track and it flopped. And it was a charity single too.

So no.

No she didn't, it was on some RAF album

is this with physical release too? :/ oh dear.

yep, quick google says it was physically released on 11th

Stacey was another Leona, really...so there was no point in her winning

she was nothing like Leona, the show just tried to make her that way

Yes he does. Or did :pat:

But not at the time of release, he had to wait for the RATM campaign to calm down :pat:

[Smithy]

Whose? Leona's?


Yea


I never said I didn't like her, I did, and I enjoyed it when she appeared on BBLB this summer. She's funny. It's just that she would've gone down the same route as Leona [ballad after ballad] and her sound is pretty much the same. So there was no point in her winning, really.

Well then again you could say theres no point in Joe winning, he's just gone and done the exact same thing as all the other previous male winners. I'd have sooner had a relatively successful similar winner than a flop

[Kate!]

I got Leon's album and it was amazing, he has a fantastic voice, in the style of his idol Michael Buble.

Not his fault that type of music ain't everyone's cup of tea.

I still think he was great!

[Zippy]

No she didn't, it was on some RAF album

But not at the time of release, he had to wait for the RATM campaign to calm down :pat:

Stacey went on TV shows plugging it. And if she hasnt even released anything then she's even more of a flop. Even Craig and Nichola from BB1 got to release records! LOL

I love Stacey and think she's hilarious but she would never be successful as a recording artist. TV is where she should aim for.

And who cares about what week Joe got to number one? The RATM nonsense was no reflection on Joe or his popularity. It was a campaign, end of.

[Tom]

Stacey went on TV shows plugging it. And if she hasnt even released anything then she's even more of a flop. Even Craig and Nichola from BB1 got to release records! LOL

I love Stacey and think she's hilarious but she would never be successful as a recording artist. TV is where she should aim for.

And who cares about what week Joe got to number one? The RATM nonsense was no reflection on Joe or his popularity. It was a campaign, end of.

Stacey was plugging the album because she was a featured artist, she wasn't plugging it as her single

and you can't be a flop if you don't release anything ;) its just illogical

[Vladimir]

omg, poor thing. :( hope it'll get higher next week.

[M X]

:( That's a shame.

[Zippy]

and you can't be a flop if you don't release anything ;) its just illogical

She's a flop at getting a record deal then!

[Jamietwo]

I don't think the state of the music charts is simons or x factors fault, it's just a talent competition and very entertaining at times. but i don't think it should be expected that winners are automatically made into pop stars. capitalism has affected everything from video games to music, we are in a period of history that is all about cynical money making. Good luck to Leon and Joe, they are good singers and i'm glad they won, but i hope we all live long enough to see a period of originality and meaning again, that is absent from our culture today.

[Smithy]

She's a flop at getting a record deal then!
Shes got a record deal, she's working on material atm

[BB_Eye]

I would have been happier if it didn't even chart.

[Jords]

I love Stacey and think she's hilarious but she would never be successful as a recording artist. TV is where she should aim for.


I think shes recording an album.


And it aint an EPIC flop tbh, although I didnt think he'd do that well either (but I like the song surprisingly!)

[Zippy]

Joe will do well in the entertainment business regardless. He's perfect for the West end. Its not all about the charts. Especially these days when selling music doesnt even make much money with all the downloading.

Most performers are just happy to make a decent living from doing what they love. He has the voice and the personality to get work constantly. And Im sure he has already made some decent money.

Plus the world of musical theatre will be gay heaven for him. Bless.

[BB_Eye]

Joe will do well in the entertainment business regardless. He's perfect for the West end. Its not all about the charts. Especially these days when selling music doesnt even make much money with all the downloading.

Most performers are just happy to make a decent living from doing what they love. He has the voice and the personality to get work constantly. And Im sure he has already made some decent money.

Plus the world of musical theatre will be gay heaven for him. Bless.
Have you ever considered working in PR?

[Tom]

Joe will do well in the entertainment business regardless. He's perfect for the West end. Its not all about the charts. Especially these days when selling music doesnt even make much money with all the downloading.

Most performers are just happy to make a decent living from doing what they love. He has the voice and the personality to get work constantly. And Im sure he has already made some decent money.

Plus the world of musical theatre will be gay heaven for him. Bless.

He'll be fine in the West End, aka the graveyard for burnt out recording artists. If thats the case then he's stolen the record contract from someone who could have done much more with it

[cub]

Dramaqueen.

No need for the word epic. Its a relative flop but he still has a shot with the right release. I think a ballad would have been safer as a kick off track.

You don't really get a second chance on Syco, as Steve Brookstein and Leon Jackson will happily tell you.

[Iceman]

Delighted :)

[joeysteele]

Wow, Joe is a flop entering the chart at number 6 this week, Pixie Lott has come in at 12 she must be a disaster then.
What is this obseesion that unless a record gets to number one in its first week that its a flop, he has entered at 6 in a top 75 chart for goodness sake, I bet loads of singers wish they could do that.

[Iceman]

Wow, Joe is a flop entering the chart at number 6 this week, Pixie Lott has come in at 12 she must be a disaster then.
What is this obseesion that unless a record gets to number one in its first week that its a flop, he has entered at 6 in a top 75 chart for goodness sake, I bet loads of singers wish they could do that.

It's not about being most singers he had a huge platform to launch his career and he blew it...........

[joeysteele]

Everybody cannot get to number one all the time.

[ElProximo]

This brings up the question:
- Are these x-factor and BGT type competitions really GOOD for the industry and for the artists overall or do they ultimately sell them out, kill the artists greater possibilities and in some ways (ultimately) deliver less quality to the public?

I think some of the arguments in favour of the competitions are good but then again I do wonder what could be better if they did not exists at all.

but yeah, most of these winners will not see much more that a semi-successful song or two but maybe a decent part in a popular play and a healthy run through some nightclub/venue circuits for a season or two.

which is not so bad!

[Zippy]

He'll be fine in the West End, aka the graveyard for burnt out recording artists. If thats the case then he's stolen the record contract from someone who could have done much more with it

Stolen? Er, he WON that record contract. Fair and square. And deservedly too.

And actually its very normal now for big talent show winners to end up in musical theatre. Most AI winners seem to have ended up there at some point.

If you wanna see it as a fail then I suggest you compare and contrast it to what they had BEFORE they entered the contest. Nothing but dreams.

Like I said, its not all about the charts for most performers. Joe is more famous than most of the current top40 anyways and always will be.

[Z]

Let's be honest, X Factor voting doesn't make the distinction between who's the most popular on the show and who would be a successful pop star. Eoghan Quigg made it to the final over Diana Vickers, yet his attempt at a career failed miserably and he's nowhere to be seen; Diana's still going. Series 5 panned out in the right way; with the better acts finishing in the top half, therefore launching successful careers. Series 6 saw a lot of great acts being voted out (tactically, might I add) by the judges to the detriment of the show. Jedward are the success story of last year. That says a lot.

[Mystic Mock]

Worse than Leon :)

at least joes next record wont go to number 94 surely.:joker:

[Stephanie]

no. 6 is a flop after just performing on the x factor tbh. most of the performers on there get a major boost.

[Mystic Mock]

no. 6 is a flop after just performing on the x factor tbh. most of the performers on there get a major boost.

well pixie lott bombed then considering shes meant to be a much bigger artist than joe.

[Stephanie]

well pixie lott bombed then considering shes meant to be a much bigger artist than joe.
pixie hasn't performed on the x factor yet though.. and quite a few of her songs havn't charted high.

[Benjamin]

Looks like he drops out of the top 10 altogether for next week and urgh, Duck Sauce with Barbara Streisand are reckoned to be next weeks number 1 :(

Urgh to both songs :(

[Benjamin]

no. 6 is a flop after just performing on the x factor tbh. most of the performers on there get a major boost.

Even Whitney, smacked off her head, managed a better release after performing on X factor :)

[Mystic Mock]

pixie hasn't performed on the x factor yet though.. and quite a few of her songs havn't charted high.

thats know excuse for doing bad.

[cub]

Pixie Lott is a very different artist to Joe.

Remember Joe was on a programme last week that gets 11-12 million viewers. This was his first single after a year away. He's on a very 'unforgiving' record label that drops as many artists as it signs.

Pixie is more in control of her music - she's a history of successful songs already (her first two were no. 1s), she writes her own stuff and has a fanbase. He current single is just off a reactivated album (which should storm back into the chart).

I like Joe and I'm not celebrating his failure but that's how it will be seen. If his album doesn't get to no. 1 and stick around the chart for more than a couple of weeks .... well, ask Leon Jackson.

[joeysteele]

I think he'd have done better this time wit a ballad again, Joe had a lot of people singing his praises and also who bought THE CLIMB who were not regular cd buyers but bought what they liked.
This new single almost a year after the first(which I think is another problem too,releases should be quicker than that)is vastly different to THE CLIMB, also Simon Cowell has had X factor running up to Christmas for the reason sales are higher then.

This saddling an artiste with a number one record at first that MUST be followed by another number one or its a flop even if its in the top 10 puts an artificial take on how well an act may do long term.

If I was a singer and my records made the top 10, even never getting a number one ever, then I would be over the moon, many long running acts have never had a number one record and also had varying placings in the charts.

One notable one, is a great group that started in the 60s and had decades of hits, namely the WHO, yet as I was looking back over their chart history, placings were all over the place,and they never ever got to number one with any single.

[Z]

Joe has the support of Cheryl though, so I think he'll get more of a chance than Leon ever did to get it right. The song was rubbish though, it's just this wall of high pitched noise and the video tries to hide that with a lot of cheesy dancing. He's actually a very good singer, and although I was never really a fan of him on the show, he was by far the deserving winner. He'll maybe do better with the second single off the album.

[cub]

If Joe had come back with a ballad, people would have said 'He should have come back with an upbeat dance track - this is the same as the last one'.

Joe's been away for a year. This past year he's been working away in the studio with people (managers producers, etc) telling him he needs to come back with a major impact. Something so good and different that it, and his appearance on the X Factor - seen by millions - will sell by the bucketload.

What happens? He comes back with a cover and it limps in the chart at no. 6.

[Scarlett.]

Everyone knew he'd flop, there's nothing "stand out" about him

[Captain.Remy]

Olly would have been so much better. I'm not being mean to Joe (because I've been enough in the past) but he has got nothing special to stand out from the crowd. He's just...a random singer.

[cub]

The issue is NOT the quality of the winner or the song. The problem is the almost a year's wait to get the first album out.

Pop music is immediate. That means it's immediate successful and immediately forgettable.

They need to prepare a bare bones album of about eight new songs and then record the winning act vocal on top with a few extra songs from the best performances from the show.

[joeysteele]

yeah and olly cant sing,he isnt a good performer and he does ****** dancing.

I don't find Olly good either, I wasn't keen on his X Factor performances either.

[joeysteele]

The issue is NOT the quality of the winner or the song. The problem is the almost a year's wait to get the first album out.

Pop music is immediate. That means it's immediate successful and immediately forgettable.

They need to prepare a bare bones album of about eight new songs and then record the winning act vocal on top with a few extra songs from the best performances from the show.

Totally agree with this, far too long to wait over 8 months for a follow up to a number one single. Such a long delay for an album also is rediculous.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Stacey was another Leona, really...so there was no point in her winning

never compare stacey with leona!!
have you hear staceys voice, and her vocal range she was crap!

[MeMyselfAndI]

no stupid excuses. Alexandra came back with a up beat song, she got #1 and sold loads

[Mystic Mock]

no stupid excuses. Alexandra came back with a up beat song, she got #1 and sold loads

her album did **** though.

[MeMyselfAndI]

That isn't necessarily a bad thing, she's done well, and her new album is meant to be all uptempo and stuff, plus Stacey had a personality, which as you keep banging on about it oh so important

lol but did you hear staceys voice. By another Leona im sure jack meant singing ballads.. not by the sound of her voice lol. Staceys voice is awful in comparision.

And Leona sings up tempo too :nono:

Outta My Head, Forgive Me, Whatever It Takes :D

[MeMyselfAndI]

her album did **** though.

her album platinumed over 600,000 sales thats not ****. Thats really good, but people compare her to leona who sold over 7 million albums which is not fair on alexandra really. im sure joe wont sell more than 600,000 or platnum and i like joe :(

[Zippy]

her album did **** though.
Wikipedia
The album debuted at #1 in the UK Albums Chart, selling 132,000 copies in its first week, the fourth biggest opening sales figures for a female artist in 2009. In addition to the album being certified Platinum in the UK following its first three weeks of release, it also spawned four successful singles including her platinum selling X Factor winner's single "Hallelujah". The lead single "Bad Boys" entered the UK Singles Chart and the Irish Singles Chart at #1 and was certified Platinum in the UK. It was also nominated for British Single at the 2010 BRIT Awards. The follow up singles "Broken Heels" and "All Night Long" also fared well, charting in the top-ten of the UK and the Irish Singles Chart. The lead single of the repackaged edition of the album, Start Without You debuted at #1, becoming her 5th number-one single. The song entered the Irish Singles Chart at #5. The album was nominated for Best Album 2010 at the Urban Music Awards.[13] To date Overcome has sold 700,000 copies in the UK

[Tom]

The issue is NOT the quality of the winner or the song. The problem is the almost a year's wait to get the first album out.

Pop music is immediate. That means it's immediate successful and immediately forgettable.

They need to prepare a bare bones album of about eight new songs and then record the winning act vocal on top with a few extra songs from the best performances from the show.

Leona & Alexandra are doing fine after waiting that long

[Jevans]

Stacey didn't release that song for personal gain. It was for charity, also its a cover of an old song which wouldn't make into the charts these days. Even though its miles better then some **** in the charts these days

[Mystic Mock]

Wikipedia
The album debuted at #1 in the UK Albums Chart, selling 132,000 copies in its first week, the fourth biggest opening sales figures for a female artist in 2009. In addition to the album being certified Platinum in the UK following its first three weeks of release, it also spawned four successful singles including her platinum selling X Factor winner's single "Hallelujah". The lead single "Bad Boys" entered the UK Singles Chart and the Irish Singles Chart at #1 and was certified Platinum in the UK. It was also nominated for British Single at the 2010 BRIT Awards. The follow up singles "Broken Heels" and "All Night Long" also fared well, charting in the top-ten of the UK and the Irish Singles Chart. The lead single of the repackaged edition of the album, Start Without You debuted at #1, becoming her 5th number-one single. The song entered the Irish Singles Chart at #5. The album was nominated for Best Album 2010 at the Urban Music Awards.[13] To date Overcome has sold 700,000 copies in the UK

and then a week later the album dropped to number 7 and the next week dropped out of the top 10 in the uk.:joker:

[Smithy]

lol but did you hear staceys voice. By another Leona im sure jack meant singing ballads.. not by the sound of her voice lol. Staceys voice is awful in comparision.

And Leona sings up tempo too :nono:

Outta My Head, Forgive Me, Whatever It Takes :D

Why are you quoting me from yesterday :nono:

Stacey's voice isn't awful at all, she wouldn't have made it to the final if it was. They have completely different voices and have different niches in the market

[Zippy]

and then a week later the album dropped to number 7 and the next week dropped out of the top 10 in the uk.:joker:

Im not even bothered enough to go checking facts and figures week by week. But if youre implying that Alex has been any kind of flop then youre being pretty ignorant.

Firstly, she's just had her 5th No1. And if you think an album sells over 700k by plummeting down the charts after one week then I just give up.

:xyxwave:

[Smithy]

Im not even bothered enough to go checking facts and figures week by week. But if youre implying that Alex has been any kind of flop then youre being pretty ignorant.

Firstly, she's just had her 5th No1. And if you think an album sells over 700k by plummeting down the charts after one week then I just give up.

:xyxwave:

5th? :conf2:

[Mystic Mock]

Im not even bothered enough to go checking facts and figures week by week. But if youre implying that Alex has been any kind of flop then youre being pretty ignorant.

Firstly, she's just had her 5th No1. And if you think an album sells over 700k by plummeting down the charts after one week then I just give up.

:xyxwave:

albums are the most important thing to sell,and if you dont your screwed and thats why shes got most of her singles released off her album.

[Zippy]

albums are the most important thing to sell,and if you dont your screwed and thats why shes got most of her singles released off her album.

Hello. Her album has sold plenty. Plz register and process this fact.

700k is no flop, honey.

Jedward would do a Menendez on their parents for that figure.

[cub]

According to midweeks Joe has slipped to no. 17. This means he could well be out of the top twenty by the end of the week.

[Tom4784]

and then a week later the album dropped to number 7 and the next week dropped out of the top 10 in the uk.:joker:

Just quit it, whichever way you cut it she's not a flop. Your opinion isn't fact and it's just embarassing to see your flailing attempts to justify it as so.

[Tom]

and then a week later the album dropped to number 7 and the next week dropped out of the top 10 in the uk.:joker:

Its gone platinum, its hardly a flop

Meanwhile 3 out of 5 songs off that album have gone in at number 1, the other at #4 and the other at #8. Her last single went in at #1, thats quite impressive considering most people buy the album and the single sales tail off by the end of the album and it wasn't promoted on XF. Her only remote flop is Broken Heels at #8 but that was released in a very competitive week and outsold equivalent singles by other XF winners.

[erichardse10]

Not surprised Joe didn't do so well in the charts!. Lets be honest, when you all voted for him, he was never going to scale the heights of say Leona or Alexandra Burke.

I also must add that if Stacey won last year i don't think she would have done any better either. I just feel that last year was a bad year, the quality wasn't as good and we were never really going to get a huge star unlike previous years. Ollis done well mind it has to be said, but is that just a one off?

[Z]

Not surprised Joe didn't do so well in the charts!. Lets be honest, when you all voted for him, he was never going to scale the heights of say Leona or Alexandra Burke.

I also must add that if Stacey won last year i don't think she would have done any better either. I just feel that last year was a bad year, the quality wasn't as good and we were never really going to get a huge star unlike previous years. Ollis done well mind it has to be said, but is that just a one off?

I'd say last year had, overall, a greater standard of talent than the year before, but the voting public let the better acts slip out of the competition at the midway point. Miss Frank, Rachel Adedeji, Lucie Jones, Jamie Archer and Danyl Johnson all had fantastic voices and, IMO, would have gone on to be better winners than Joe, Olly or Stacey who ended up making it to the final. Even John and Edward would have made better winners, they at least have boundless energy and determination to achieve their goals.

[Tom]

He's dropped 15 places to 21 :eek:

[Iceman]

But doesnt the album have a ton of pre-orders?

[Locke.]

The album is out tomorrow, right? If that doesn't get #1 then he's definitely in trouble. Who elses albums come out this week?

[Iceman]

The album is out tomorrow, right? If that doesn't get #1 then he's definitely in trouble. Who elses albums come out this week?

Cheryl?

[red]

The album is out tomorrow, right? If that doesn't get #1 then he's definitely in trouble. Who elses albums come out this week?

October 25
Charlotte Church: 'Back To Scratch'
Joe McElderry: 'Wide Awake'
Taylor Swift: 'Speak Now'
The Wanted: 'The Wanted'

hoping the KOL can stay at no1 tho :D

[Locke.]

Cheryl?

Cheryl's single is out this week, don't think her album is

October 25
Charlotte Church: 'Back To Scratch'
Joe McElderry: 'Wide Awake'
Taylor Swift: 'Speak Now'
The Wanted: 'The Wanted'

hoping the KOL can stay at no1 tho :D

The Wanted... he's up against thousands of teenage girls then

[Legend killer]

What do u expect the song is ****en awful and the video well let's not even talk about that lol

[Iceman]

Cheryl's single is out this week, don't think her album is


Oh right, i had her muted when she was on so I couldnt hear...

[Tom]

Cheryls next album isnt due out until 1st November

[MeMyselfAndI]

Cheryl's single is out this week, don't think her album is



The Wanted... he's up against thousands of teenage girls then

and Taylor Swift

[joeysteele]

I have to admit that's some drop in the first 2 weeks of release,

[joeysteele]

Oh right, i had her muted when she was on so I couldnt hear...

I am near hysterics with this comment, nice one.

[Stacey.]

So was the highest he got with it #4?

[tate]

he was an obvious flop the second he won - he should never have won this show as he had nothing but a nice voice and a cute face - nothing unique or marketable about him

it comes down to the demographics that actually pick up the phone and vote - he is a granny's delight and at that time was eye candy for the teenage girls. Problem is he was a forgettable granny's delight / eye candy for teenage girls and the 'voting public' have easily forgotten him

His 'comeback' on XF hardly blew anyone away either, i think he will go the same way as Leon (who IMO was another unworthy winner)

[keithafc]

How many people have truly went on to become consistent stars? JLS? Leona Lewis?

[cub]

How many people have truly went on to become consistent stars? JLS? Leona Lewis?

and Alexandra Burke.

[MeMyselfAndI]

So was the highest he got with it #4?

ambitions got #6 :/

[MeMyselfAndI]

So was the highest he got with it #4?

ambitions got #6 :/