is the XFactor/GBP homophobic?

[red]

ok, so we had the gay dancers FYD & Nicolo last week and now we had Storm (who just came out) and Diva Fever getting the boot...
coincidence or what?:conf:

[Smithy]

No, because Joe won and he was clearly gay from audition 1

[King Gizzard]

FYD werent for a gay market, and I didn't really associate them with being gay, same for Nicolo

And Diva Fever were just rubbish

[Mystic Mock]

danyl johnson was gay last year and he came 4th,we all knew joe mcceldery was gay and he won the series by the biggest margin in x factor history.

i just think the acts that left werent commercial enough.

[_Seth]

Oh FFS no the Great British Public are not homophobic.

[ElProximo]

ok, so we had the gay dancers FYD & Nicolo (a closed gay i recon) last week and now we had Storm (who just came out) and Diva Fever getting the boot...
coincidence or what?:conf:

It is probably not a coincidence but of course it has nothing to do with 'phobia' either.
Things come and go in fads and people get 'fed up' and then they want something else.
The feminine campy gay thing had a good run and for a little while even became something 'mainstream' and popular all over.
OK.
No problem.
Now that's getting tired. Maybe IF someone has new angles but if all you got is some semi-metrosexual home-made outfit and make bitchy faces while prancing out 'YMCA'?
Sorry but we saw that 100 times now and thats enough.

So yeah, I think in a way the 'flamboyant gay' thing is now going to fade away for a while.
Maybe the new thing seems to be handsome 'everyman' single young heterosexual men,
or,
Maybe the new sort of thing (all over again) will be the Marys and big matronly power-mother voices and looks and 'in thing' now.

Maybe ultra-heterosexual 'latin lovers' like Wagner (and Roger Moores 'bond'?) but these will be back in style and the big new celebrated look and attitude?

But yes, I do think people are tiring of the gay thing and more specifically the campy/flamboyant saucy gays.

Hey.. they had a good run!
Don't worry... if you live long enough that will come back in style all over again!

[BB_Eye]

It didn't seem to do Paije or One Direction any harm.

[Mystic Mock]

It is probably not a coincidence but of course it has nothing to do with 'phobia' either.
Things come and go in fads and people get 'fed up' and then they want something else.
The feminine campy gay thing had a good run and for a little while even became something 'mainstream' and popular all over.
OK.
No problem.
Now that's getting tired. Maybe IF someone has new angles but if all you got is some semi-metrosexual home-made outfit and make bitchy faces while prancing out 'YMCA'?
Sorry but we saw that 100 times now and thats enough.

So yeah, I think in a way the 'flamboyant gay' thing is now going to fade away for a while.
Maybe the new thing seems to be handsome 'everyman' single young heterosexual men,
or,
Maybe the new sort of thing (all over again) will be the Marys and big matronly power-mother voices and looks and 'in thing' now.

Maybe ultra-heterosexual 'latin lovers' like Wagner (and Roger Moores 'bond'?) but these will be back in style and the big new celebrated look and attitude?

But yes, I do think people are tiring of the gay thing and more specifically the campy/flamboyant saucy gays.

Hey.. they had a good run!
Don't worry... if you live long enough that will come back in style all over again!

your making out that liking the gay contestants was a trend.:joker:

[ElProximo]

your making out that liking the gay contestants was a trend.:joker:

Yes, the popularity of the openly or more obviously flamboyant ones was something of a trend, popular fad and even something 'sympathetic' and for that matter even a way to get 'political votes',
but,
I think that might have peaked and though it is not necessarily held against a contestant - i don't think its a bonus anymore.

..and I would say IF a contestant wants to push it (as if to get some extra attention for it) they may now even see fans turn against them quite easily.

I see this in the US too. Just recently watching AGT and people had big love for 'Prince Poppycock' when he was just a regular guy,
but,
when he got a little carried away being 'flamboyant sarcastic queen' and squealing.. hmmm?
I think he lost a lot of interest or at the very least it was no longer getting him bonus 'sharon osbourne' extra gay points.

[Mystic Mock]

Yes, the popularity of the openly or more obviously flamboyant ones was something of a trend, popular fad and even something 'sympathetic' and for that matter even a way to get 'political votes',
but,
I think that might have peaked and though it is not necessarily held against a contestant - i don't think its a bonus anymore.

..and I would say IF a contestant wants to push it (as if to get some extra attention for it) they may now even see fans turn against them quite easily.

I see this in the US too. Just recently watching AGT and people had big love for 'Prince Poppycock' when he was just a regular guy,
but,
when he got a little carried away being 'flamboyant sarcastic queen' and squealing.. hmmm?
I think he lost a lot of interest or at the very least it was no longer getting him bonus 'sharon osbourne' extra gay points.

oh i think liking the queeny gays was a trend.

[Jamietwo]

omg is storm a gay!? that one slipped under my gaydar

[ElProximo]

I never did determine whether Storm was a gay or just sort of doing a 'glam rock' sort of freddy mercuryish thing?

In fairness, I don't think he was ever trying to exaggerate or flaunt any sort of flamboyant gayness and its safe to say he was gone because he is just.. well.. not a good singer. Gay or not having no consequence here.

Likewise, Diva Fever (no matter the campy gay thing) were not that great. Kinda funny for a show or two... but not really good singers or dancers.

[MTVN]

I didnt even know any of them were gay, apart from Diva Fever obviously.

[ElProximo]

I just find out which ones are Jews and pick them to advance and win. Say what you want but its been working for me.
(not sure about gay jews.. i guess that may double their potential??)

[MTVN]

I just find out which ones are Jews and pick them to advance and win. Say what you want but its been working for me.
(not sure about gay jews.. i guess that may double their potential??)

And who are the Jews this year then?

[ElProximo]

And who are the Jews this year then?

Well the one in the middle of your sig photo of course and I'm going to take a guess that the girl named 'Cohen' is quite probably Jewish.

I'm guessing both the featured choreography guys are Jews. Not sure about judges (well Sharon if you count her).

yeah, not sure who are Jews but I'd like to know so I can keep my prediction streak going here.
(I did call Waisselstein would go through and early on AND I picked Cohen (early) just based on her last name).

I ALSO predicted any flamboyant gays would NOT do well.. although Diva Fever did get further than most so.. Im doing good overall here.

[Jamietwo]

ooooo Jews (Katie) camp gays (diva fever) young odd gays (Aiden) closet gays (nicolo and probably a few others) old odd gays (Storm) black girls( rachel and treyc) black possibly gay guys (paige) black guys that look like rodents (john) cute young exotic str8 boys with names beginning with Z (Zain - yum) overly confident young blonde jump about boys (the irritating blonde one from OD) oh and tescos Mary....oh and chavs (cher) oh oh oh and exotic grandads (wagner)

[Benjamin]

Also Will Young won the first reality contest, he's gay. It's nothing to do with sexuality, it's because they were probably ****e. :)

[Barbie]

God A black is kicked off the Xfactor! we are racist!
Now Diva Fever are kicked out because they cant sing and we are Homophobic!

By this logic for britain to come off well a gay mixed race x 20 guy (sorry hermaphrodite so we aren't sexist) with a background in every religion in the world should win!

[Jordan.]

No. :rolleyes:

[ElProximo]

No. :rolleyes:

I was thinking Cher Lloyd could be Jewish? Or maybe 'Jewess' is the proper term I don't know,
but,
That would explain a lot of things!

(Lloyd could be a sort of generic sorta name the family chose to anglicize 'Lieben' or something?)

Anyways, all I'm saying is my streak has been overall quite good by using 'racial profiling'.

btw.. there is nothing more predictable and annoying than the 'American Idol' where inevitably the black girls get voted out and yet everyone knows they were AT LEAST as good if not better than the remaining ones lol

You can see clips where Simon is just annoyed beyond and so sick of it heh.

[fruit_cake]

Anyways, all I'm saying is my streak has been overall quite good by using 'racial profiling'
:joker:

[Captain.Remy]

The 3 acts you mentioned were awful. People need to stop looking into things that don't exist. They deserved to be eliminated.

[Crimson Dynamo]

bearing in mind only 1.5% of the UK is gay and most of them work in tv I am amazed we are not more homophobic.

but there is a distinction between feeling no malice to a person who prefers to have same sex sex and disliking men who are very camp or girls who look like builders on steroids.

[_Seth]

bearing in mind only 1.5% of the UK is gay and most of them work in tv I am amazed we are not more homophobic.

That statistic is a massive crock of sh!t, tbh. I'd say about a good 18% are not straight.

[Stephanie]

That statistic is a massive crock of sh!t, tbh. I'd say about a good 18% are not straight.
you must be kidding, 18%? :joker:

[ElProximo]

That statistic is a massive crock of sh!t, tbh. I'd say about a good 18% are not straight.

That stat is about right,
but,
the variable is just what exactly someone may define 'homosexual' as. The best most scholarly studies have something between 1% - 3% who will say they have had homosexual experiences or 'been homosexual' at least for some time.
OK.
The thing is that this could be anything from someone who considered 'touching a friends penis' in some curiosity phases 20 years ago to be 'having been homosexual',
or,
this could be someone we might call 'openly, practicing, out-of-closet gay!'.
OR,
this can also means someone who (for example) did touch wangs with a uni friend but does NOT consider that counting as them having had a a homosexual experience.

To try and narrow it down some went to what may be the real experts - sales and marketing!
Again, not so easy to know if you can get this close to 'exact numbers' but you may look at:
- attendance (and repeat customers) and numbers of known 'gay nightclubs'.
- sales of 'gay sex products'.
- subscriptions to primarily gay newsletters
-attendance of primarily gay specific events (rallies, parades or lectures)

Somewhere in this you get something like .5 to 1.5% who we might be able to identify as 'confirmed homosexuals'. I don't enjoy that term but its communicating the idea of someone you would (if they chose to tell you) would identify and in some ongoing dedicated way be 'gay'.

At one time I was doing marketing research related to this and let me tell you the bosses would have LOVED to find out just exactly what % identified themselves (out or not) as homosexuals.
At the time there was every belief that (however many) on average homosexual men in particular had more disposable income and were reputed to respond very well to good marketing.

Anyways.. we also came up with something like about 1% going by everything from 'personal ads' to sales of gay DVDs at the adult shop to actually just questioning people we knew if they could think of anyone they knew heh.
(no, not pure science but then again you could say it WAS 'pure science' for what we could do).

Anyways.. what the hell was this topic about? Sorry im on a lot of different tablets right now.. wooooooo

[Crimson Dynamo]

That statistic is a massive crock of sh!t, tbh. I'd say about a good 18% are not straight.

It is an official figure and the best one we have. Unfortunately your estimate is irrelevant.

[_Seth]

It is an official figure and the best one we have. Unfortunately your estimate is irrelevant.

Official or not, it's a load of bullsh!t. :p 1.5? I am NOT that unique. :laugh: Most of those people were either lying on they did those surveys in few types of places.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Official or not, it's a load of bullsh!t. :p 1.5? I am NOT that unique. :laugh: Most of those people were either lying on they did those surveys in few types of places.

let it go

[_Seth]

let it go

Little girl, you're the one with the ish'. ;)

[Shasown]

Little girl, you're the one with the ish'. ;)

From up here in my ivory tower, it actually looks like you have the issue, with a demographic statistic. You couldnt provide some links that give some sort of credence to your guestimate, could you?

[Jack_]

you must be kidding, 18%? :joker:

I think that could well be a more accurate figure, considering you have to factor in the people that are still in the closet and those that don't yet know they are gay because they're too young or haven't thought/explored their sexuality properly. And it also doesn't factor in the people that didn't take this survey or refused to answer. 1.5% is an extremely low figure, and theoretically, why is it not possible that 50% of the population is gay and the other is straight [or, if we factor in biseuxality, 33% each way, or if we factor in 'other' then 25% each way]. I don't understand how that is not conceivable?

I personally believe [as I've said before on here] it's entirely possible that the entire population of the planet is 100% bisexual, however some do not know it or will not chose to explore other avenues other than what they know is 'right' to themselves.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think that could well be a more accurate figure, considering you have to factor in the people that are still in the closet and those that don't yet know they are gay because they're too young or haven't thought/explored their sexuality properly. And it also doesn't factor in the people that didn't take this survey or refused to answer. 1.5% is an extremely low figure, and theoretically, why is it not possible that 50% of the population is gay and the other is straight [or, if we factor in biseuxality, 33% each way, or if we factor in 'other' then 25% each way]. I don't understand how that is not conceivable?

I personally believe [as I've said before on here] it's entirely possible that the entire population of the planet is 100% bisexual, however some do not know it or will not chose to explore other avenues other than what they know is 'right' to themselves.

you do understand why we survey people?

[_Seth]

From up here in my ivory tower, it actually looks like you have the issue, with a demographic statistic. You couldnt provide some links that give some sort of credence to your guestimate, could you?

This is my judgement. :)

[Livia]

And who are the Jews this year then?

El Proximo has a bit of a thing about Jews I think.

[MTVN]

El Proximo has a bit of a thing about Jews I think.

Yeah, from what I've seen of his posts, he definitely does.

[ElProximo]

El Proximo has a bit of a thing about Jews I think.

No, I don't care one way or the other. I am observing how other people seem to care and going by how other people are reacting or have 'things' with Jews performing on X-Factor.

In the US version I predict that the black girl (or guy) cannot get to the top three.
Here again, its not 'my thing' but observing what other voters 'thing' is.

(same for chubby people or unattractive ones).