Cher LLoyd Liar, Fraud & Unoriginal

[GiRTh]

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LOL:joker:

[GiRTh]

I'm waiting for Zippy to post his usual -:sleep:

[setanta]

She's such a joke.

[Legend killer]

Don't forget rubbish singer/rapper or whatever you call the **** she does

[Legend killer]

She's such a joke.

And not a funny one at that

[GiRTh]

I've said it over and over, 'biting' other peoples rhymes is NOT rapping. Any idiot can do it.

[MTVN]

Did anyone really think she wrote that rap in the first live shows herself though?

That first bit is quite funny I admit, maybe she just meant that the lyrics at the start weren't in the original song, but she'd put them there.

[Kazanne]

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LOL:joker:

We call sausages 'dingers',lol

[Jordan.]

She may aswell have wrote the lyrics, shes made it popular.

[Zippy]

Editing editing context context.

She never claimed to write those specific lyrics so that video is a BIG FAT ASS FAIL.

And Ive never said she was original and couldnt give a toss about that claim. I like her, she draws attention and she is ten times more interesting and charismatic than nearly all of the other contestants.

Mary stood there like a parked caravan doing silly nonsense with her hands? No thanks. Jane MacDonald has a bigger vocal range and way more pizazz!

Its all about Cher, bitches!

[GiRTh]

So we all agree she isn't original. That'll do for me.:thumbs:

[Jordan.]

So we all agree she isn't original. That'll do for me.:thumbs:

She'll be original when she wins and releases her own stuff. :wink:

[Stephanie]

she'll probably release something after x factor and get sued for copying something.

[Shasown]

Hey come on now dont be hard on her she is the first female gurning rapper. or is it first female rapping gurner?

[Livia]

There's nothing original about Cher. Even her name belongs to another singer. And the irritating talking-out-of-the-side-of-her-mouth thing she does, she obviously ripped off from Popeye the Sailorman.

[GiRTh]

She'll be original when she wins and releases her own stuff. :wink:They'll give her an army of talented writers and producers so you're probably right, but at this time she aint doing nothing that's original.

[Zippy]

So we all agree she isn't original. That'll do for me.:thumbs:

Putting a pisspot on your head and singing in backwards hebrew is original.

Who cares about originality? Every artist brings their own personality to things and that is what makes it original. Look at the charts and see how much originality there is there...or anywhere else for that matter. Its all been done and if it hasnt been done its because nobody wants to hear it.

And Cher is barely 17. She'll grow and find her own musical identity.

[joeysteele]

She will not win, in fact I think she is soon to go from X factor, all she is doing is the same thing, an average at best vocal, not really singing with a so called rap bit included.
She has a very awkward and unsightly stage presence and in fact little in the way of originality too.

As another member said elsewhere on the forum, when she performs she looks constipated.a good description.

[Jordan.]

They'll give her an army of talented writers and producers so you're probably right, but at this time she aint doing nothing that's original.

Neither are anybody else..... At least Cher is entertaining and current.

[GiRTh]

Neither are anybody else..... At least Cher is entertaining and current.It says at the end of the vid that they all do covers but this girl is being praised for her 'originality' and as I always knew there's nothing original about her.

[GiRTh]

Putting a pisspot on your head and singing in backwards hebrew is original.

Who cares about originality? Every artist brings their own personality to things and that is what makes it original. Look at the charts and see how much originality there is there...or anywhere else for that matter. Its all been done and if it hasnt been done its because nobody wants to hear it.

And Cher is barely 17. She'll grow and find her own musical identity.Who cares about originality? What do the judges keep saying to her week after week?

As for her only being 17. Dizzy Rascal wrote and recorded his award winning album Boy in Da corner when he was the same age. He's original he's talented.

[Stephanie]

Who cares about originality? What do the judges keep saying to her week after week?

As for her only being 17. Dizzy Rascal wrote and recorded his award winning album Boy in Da corner when he was the same age. He's original he's talented.
dizzee was 16 when he wrote and produced his first single :)
so i agree, there's no reason that she shouldn't be able to if she's "so original and can write raps"

[Tom]

Heres something else to throw in. The exact same arrangement, Cher in the Primark version of her outfit and even the same 'dancing'

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She must think shes the only person with access to youtube

She should've just gone on Stars in their Eyes, other people doing the same thing but for more well known people get told to be more original

[Zippy]

Who cares about originality? What do the judges keep saying to her week after week?



She's original in the context of XF and TV talent shows generally. Thats pobably how theyre measuring her.

[GiRTh]

She's original in the context of XF and TV talent shows generally. Thats pobably how theyre measuring her.She's original in that she's an artist who can make money for King Simon in a genre of music that he has no credible artists. It's all about the dollars with Mr Cowell.

[Zippy]

She's original in that she's an artist who can make money for King Simon in a genre of music that he has no credible artists. It's all about the dollars with Mr Cowell.

Well if thats true then I rest my case.

Cher will be a big success and youve just basically implied as much!

:xyxwave:

[setanta]

Heres something else to throw in. The exact same arrangement, Cher in the Primark version of her outfit and even the same 'dancing'

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She must think shes the only person with access to youtube

She should've just gone on Stars in their Eyes, other people doing the same thing but for more well known people get told to be more original

That's actually pretty pathetic to be honest with you. She's basically wearing the same clothes. Mad.

[Lucy.]

It wouldn't even matter that she wasn't original if she had a good voice/ wrote her own raps. But because she claims to be writing them then that makes covers a big sham!

[GiRTh]

Well if thats true then I rest my case.

Cher will be a big success and youve just basically implied as much!

:xyxwave:You have no case to rest. You've flipped flopped around saying nothings original.

She'll make money but all of them will off the back of the show. She has no talent, she has no originality and will have no future in the business. I think my case is the one to be rested. She's merely an outlet to boost King Simons bank account and all the fake praise is completely unwarranted.

[setanta]

I was just thinking though, are any of the X Factor producers or staff aware that she's ripping off other artists?

[Zippy]

You've flipped flopped around saying nothings original.



The artists she copies from don't live in a vacuum. They too have their influences who they steal from.

Artists copy artists copy artists.

Sometimes its blatant, sometimes its subtle. But influence and immitation is and always has been a part of the advancement of music.

And often the people that inspired certain artists are too obscure for people to know about. So they get the credit.

Cher clearly knows her stuff and is genuinely immersed in a certain genre of music. And thats where she wants to be. At the moment she may well be following her influences but given the chance she will give it her own spin.

And you are all talking about her. Result.

[setanta]

The artists she copies from don't live in a vacuum. They too have their influences who they steal from.

Artists copy artists copy artists.

Sometimes its blatant, sometimes its subtle. But influence and immitation is and always has been a part of the advancement of music.

And often the people that inspired certain artists are too obscure for people to know about. So they get the credit.

Cher clearly knows her stuff and is genuinely immersed in a certain genre of music. And thats where she wants to be. At the moment she may well be following her influences but given the chance she will give it her own spin.

And you are all talking about her. Result.

I've never heard of any aspiring rap artists ripping off another person's lyrics to that extent. It's theft, that's all, and after seeing those clips she's shown nothing that makes me think she's up to the challenge of representing that particular genre of music. Nothing original about her at all.

[GiRTh]

The artists she copies from don't live in a vacuum. They too have their influences who they steal from.

Artists copy artists copy artists.

Sometimes its blatant, sometimes its subtle. But influence and immitation is and always has been a part of the advancement of music.

And often the people that inspired certain artists are too obscure for people to know about. So they get the credit.

Cher clearly knows her stuff and is genuinely immersed in a certain genre of music. And thats where she wants to be. At the moment she may well be following her influences but given the chance she will give it her own spin.

And you are all talking about her. Result.Although I agree with the first part, there is not a chance in hell that the bit on bold is true. If she was immersed in hip hop then she'd have her own rhymes and wouldn't need to copy other peoples. There are millions of rappers her age trying to get noticed. Not relying on a fake talent contest to make their name. She's a fake in that respect. If she had respect for her genre she'd be less blatant with her copying and would at least try to flow her own rhymes..

Having said that she may open the flood gates. Look out next year for a bunch of boys and girls who cant really rap or sing but are relying on the judges ignorance of hip hop in order to make their name. Cher may set a precedent unfortunately it wont be a good precedent.

[setanta]

Although I agree with the first part, there is not a chance in hell that the bit on bold is true. If she was immersed in hip hop then she'd have her own rhymes and wouldn't need to copy other peoples. There are millions of rappers her age trying to get noticed. Not relying on a fake talent contest to make their name. She's a fake in that respect. If she had respect for her genre she'd be less blatant with her copying and would at least try to flow her own rhymes..

Having said that she may open the flood gates. Look out next year for a bunch of boys and girls who cant really rap or sing but are relying on the judges ignorance of hip hop in order to make their name. Cher may set a precedent unfortunately it wont be a good precedent.

There's no may about it unfortunately. Although it might make the auditions part even funnier!

[Tom]

I can't wait for disco week or ballads week

Although with disco week they'll probably bend the theme again and have her doing MC Hammer, Fresh Prince, Jump Around or something like that

[GiRTh]

There's no may about it unfortunately. Although it might make the auditions part even funnier!
I will make audition funny for sure. I can imagine the chavs getting up there trying to rap. Unfortunately the judges dont know enough to work out who's good and who aint.:spin:

[setanta]

I can't wait for disco week or ballads week

Although with disco week they'll probably bend the theme again and have her doing MC Hammer, Fresh Prince, Jump Around or something like that

I wonder if they'll have Big Band week this year? Somehow I doubt it.

[setanta]

I will make audition funny for sure. I can imagine the chavs getting up there trying to rap. Unfortunately the judges dont know enough to work out who's good and who aint.:spin:

Exactly. The prosecution would like to enter Cher Lloyd as exhibit A.

[GiRTh]

I can't wait for disco week or ballads week

Although with disco week they'll probably bend the theme again and have her doing MC Hammer, Fresh Prince, Jump Around or something like thatLMAO

I'd love to see her do Jump around.

[Zippy]

They will all struggle with certain theme weeks. Big nelly deal.

Mary will always just be her usual parked caravan self whatever it is. Oh very original and exciting!

[GiRTh]

They will all struggle with certain theme weeks. Big nelly deal.

Mary will always just be her usual parked caravan self whatever it is. Oh very original and exciting!At least she can sing.

[Tom]

You need at least 1 person in a singing competition who can actually sing. Mary is that person this year, the rest either can't sing or screech

[Zippy]

At least she can sing.

Just as well coz she can't fcking move!

[setanta]

I don't see how anyone can knock Mary now after the two performances she's given. They've been fantastic.

[GiRTh]

Just as well coz she can't fcking move!Neither can Susan Boyle but she's done quite well. :thumbs:

[GiRTh]

Heres something else to throw in. The exact same arrangement, Cher in the Primark version of her outfit and even the same 'dancing'

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She must think shes the only person with access to youtube

She should've just gone on Stars in their Eyes, other people doing the same thing but for more well known people get told to be more originalJust managed to watch this. That is ridiculous. There's influencing then there's copying. Another nail in Chers coffin.

See, even my rhymes are better than hers. :spin:

[Zippy]

Neither can Susan Boyle but she's done quite well. :thumbs:

Part freakshow, part MOR marketing.

I don't think her story is a measure of anything other than the power of youtube and global sensationalism.

She's a dull, batty old catwoman with a pleasnt but one dimensional voice. And Mary's a dull checkout woman with a big booming one dimensional voice.

But she aint got Susans publicity so it'll be back to checkout 13 for her.

[GiRTh]

Part freakshow, part MOR marketing.

I don't think her story is a measure of anything other than the power of youtube and global sensationalism.

She's a dull, batty old catwoman with a pleasnt but one dimensional voice. And Mary's a dull checkout woman with a big booming one dimensional voice.

But she aint got Susans publicity so it'll be back to checkout 13 for her.That all depends on whether Mr Cowell can see any money in Mary. At the end of the day its up to him as to how well they all do.

[Z]

Cher is a gimmick. Dainty little girl doing rap music; how novel. She's in the same boat as Wagner or Diva Fever or any of the other gimmicky acts, she relies entirely on her gimmick to get her through the live shows. Cher's a rubbish singer and hasn't got a creative bone in her body, just a keen sense for copying others. I mean the audition, she even does the "Woissup" that Keri Hilson does in that performance, she's literally copied her to the finest detail. It's ridiculous that Simon Cowell and co are heaping praise on her for being original when she is nothing of the sort. She's a gimp.

[GiRTh]

Well said Zee. :thumbs:

Just been listening to Boy in da Corner and noticed that Dizzee name checks Roll deep all thru the album. It fairly logical as he used to be a member. If Cher was serious about hip hop then surely she'd be a part of a crew/collective like Roll deep. We haven't heard anything about that so I have to conclude that she IS NOT which bring me to further conclude that this girl winging it. Winging it for sure, for real. And she's fooling so many people. Its all a bit sad really.

[Zippy]

this girl winging it. Winging it for sure, for real. And she's fooling so many people. Its all a bit sad really.

winging what? She's in the competition like everybody else and has to prove herself every week.

Nobody cares about whether she's part of any authentic crew or whatever youre on about.

You seem obsessed with her anyway! :joker:

ps; I don't see the likes of Tinie Tempah saying theyd work with the likes of Wagner or Diva fever so she certainly isnt in that category!

[GiRTh]

winging what? She's in the competition like everybody else and has to prove herself every week.

Nobody cares about whether she's part of any authentic crew or whatever youre on about.

You seem obsessed with her anyway! :joker:

ps; I don't see the likes of Tinie Tempah saying theyd work with the likes of Wagner or Diva fever so she certainly isnt in that category!You said she's immersed in her genre. The fact that she cannot possibly be immersed is proved by the fact that she's almost certainly isnt not part of a crew. That is, if you dont know it, the best way to get noticed in hip hop.

You're the one who claimed she was credible I'm just showing that she is anything but credible.

I'm not obsessed but I am a hip hop fan and it disgusts me to see this girl watering a music genre that I love and people falling for it.

[Zippy]

Ive never said anything about her credibility as a hardcore hip hop artist. She could certainly be an artist along the lines of Lady Sov, Eliza Doolittle or even Lily Allen. Not a stretch to imagine her making that kind of a record. Or doing a hook up with Tinie on a track. She's contemporary pop.

And when I say immersed I mean as a fan of hip hop/RnB. I don't mean she is a full artist herself but that she has a genuine love for that genre.

[GiRTh]

Ive never said anything about her credibility as a hardcore hip hop artist. She could certainly be an artist along the lines of Lady Sov, Eliza Doolittle or even Lily Allen. Not a stretch to imagine her making that kind of a record. Or doing a hook up with Tinie on a track. She's contemporary pop.

And when I say immersed I mean as a fan of hip hop/RnB. I don't mean she is a full artist herself but that she has a genuine love for that genre.I don't think she has a love for the genre cuz, again, she'd have her own rhymes.

I've now firmly come to the conclusion that she's winging it. Trying her hand at hip hop and seeing how far she can get without any discernible talent. I don't think that should be applauded.

[Z]

Ive never said anything about her credibility as a hardcore hip hop artist. She could certainly be an artist along the lines of Lady Sov, Eliza Doolittle or even Lily Allen. Not a stretch to imagine her making that kind of a record. Or doing a hook up with Tinie on a track. She's contemporary pop.

And when I say immersed I mean as a fan of hip hop/RnB. I don't mean she is a full artist herself but that she has a genuine love for that genre.

That much I can agree on; she definitely fits into that sound and it's quite clear she loves the music she performs; but it's outrageous for her to claim she wrote those lyrics or for the judges to pass her off as original, she's doing cover versions like everyone else, except they're glossing over that fact with her. I also think that by the time Cher (if she won) came out with her debut album, music will have moved on to a new sound.

[setanta]

I don't think she has a love for the genre cuz, again, she'd have her own rhymes.I've now firmly come to the conclusion that she's winging it. Trying her hand at hip hop and seeing how far she can get without any discernible talent. I don't think that should be applauded.

I mean, I literally have no interest in the genre - sorry! - but yeah, it strikes me that the first thing you'd do would be to develop your own style in rapping, right? And she's just a bloody copycat. I'm sure it's frowned on in the same way that stealing jokes from other comedians is, right?

[GiRTh]

I mean, I literally have no interest in the genre - sorry! - but yeah, it strikes me that the first thing you'd do would be to develop your own style in rapping, right? And she's just a bloody copycat. I'm sure it's frowned on in the same way that stealing jokes from other comedians is, right?Crews go to war over it. Its a big no no.

[Livia]

It seems to me that the Cher supporters who shout the loudest either want to sh*g her, or are really young and impressionable. Talent and originality means everything if your career's going to have any measure of longevity. If you don't agree I'd really hate to swap your music collection with mine.

[M X]

I don't think she meant she wrote those lyrics. I think she meant she took lyrics from another song and put them in there.

[ElProximo]

I think its acceptable to do a sort of 'interpretation' of lyrics. They allow it in rap battles.

Example:

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Anyone who thought that Cher knew who Tiger Woods or Oprah Winfrey were needs their head looked at for brokenness

[joeysteele]

Cher is a gimmick. Dainty little girl doing rap music; how novel. She's in the same boat as Wagner or Diva Fever or any of the other gimmicky acts, she relies entirely on her gimmick to get her through the live shows. Cher's a rubbish singer and hasn't got a creative bone in her body, just a keen sense for copying others. I mean the audition, she even does the "Woissup" that Keri Hilson does in that performance, she's literally copied her to the finest detail. It's ridiculous that Simon Cowell and co are heaping praise on her for being original when she is nothing of the sort. She's a gimp.

I 100% agree with this comment,saves me saying any more as to Cher.

[bbfan1991]

X-Factor is one big rip off anyway:joker:.

[Kazanne]

Hey come on now dont be hard on her she is the first female gurning rapper. or is it first female rapping gurner?

All she needs now is a toilet seat round her face:joker:

[BB_Eye]

Editing editing context context.

She never claimed to write those specific lyrics so that video is a BIG FAT ASS FAIL.

I doesn't matter. She says she wrote her own lyrics when everything she sang barring the original Coldplay lyrics were pilfered from elsewhere so she can't have been talking about anything else, can she?

[joeysteele]

All she needs now is a toilet seat round her face:joker:

Love this.:joker::joker::joker:

[Jordan.]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/10/19/article-0-0BA90C31000005DC-245_224x646.jpg

We :love: Cher.

[_Seth]

^What a creepy, ugly weirdo.

[Jordan.]

^What a creepy, ugly weirdo.

Shes hot. :love:

[keithafc]

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Who is she trying to kid?

A liar, rubbish rapper and pulls stupid faces and wants to be cheryl cole 1.0.

[King Gizzard]

Everytime she says shes done something herself, she's lied. The latest one was saying she came up with the idea sampling annie, when it was Jay z.

[_Seth]

She's a vile ho.

[ElProximo]

I really hate being one of those complainers but...

...there was an identical topic posted just a few days ago and still fresh and active right near the top of the list.

We all make mistakes but honestly an identical topic. Right there. Active.

[Stephanie]

i love how this video is still trending on youtube after a couple of days.

[Kazanne]

There's nothing original about Cher. Even her name belongs to another singer. And the irritating talking-out-of-the-side-of-her-mouth thing she does, she obviously ripped off from Popeye the Sailorman.

What a great post Livia:joker::joker::joker:

[alc09]

Zippy, you really have proven yourself to be completely and utterly deluded with your support of not only Cher, but also Corin in the summer.

Sort yourself out, because you're making yourself look silly. I was cringing at your earlier posts in this thread.

[Vicky.]

I really can't stand her. I don't think she sounds good when she does what she does...and I definitely do not like how she pretends she has wrote her own lyrics. Also there is NOTHING original about her whatsoever

She annoys me no end, and I cant for the life of me see how anyone can think she is actually good :conf:

[Zippy]

Zippy, you really have proven yourself to be completely and utterly deluded with your support of not only Cher, but also Corin in the summer.

Sort yourself out, because you're making yourself look silly. I was cringing at your earlier posts in this thread.

Oh be quiet you pompous tool.

Its called opinion and preference.

And cringe away, honey. :xyxwave:

[GiRTh]

Zippy, you really have proven yourself to be completely and utterly deluded with your support of not only Cher, but also Corin in the summer.

Sort yourself out, because you're making yourself look silly. I was cringing at your earlier posts in this thread.
:joker::spin::joker::spin:

[fruit_cake]

Cher certainly gets talked about a lot.. she must be doing something right.. Simon certainly thinks she has something and he's the one with the $$$$

[keithafc]

You see, i am no fan of rap or anything like that. But the reason i posted in this thread was the fact she is going around CLAIMING she has wrote lyrics and is trying to pass herself off as original and the whole thing is just rubbish in that regard.

Its absolutely outrageous to claim the amount of things she has done. She is one of those. An utter spoofer, a desperate wannabe who watches other people and is very percise of their act and copies it to the core.

Im actually amazed at how anyone like this Cher to be honest. I honestly thought people did not like liars.

[Billy]

Can't stand her. She can't sing and she's not original at all.

I know people will reference my liking of Diana but hey, Cher isnt even likeable.

[Billy]

TBF though she DID write lyrics for that song it just wasnt shown in the clip.

[Stephanie]

yeah but she said she wrote them for the START. and we saw the start and they were copied, so she still lied whether or not she wrote anymore.

[Barbie]

Agree with the title of this thread.

I don't think her or Katie are likeable at all.

Cher is very unoriginal she has proved this and also that this "originality" is a one trick pony, you cant open every song with a ridiculous rap you copied of some other artist! Boring Unlikeable girl.

One more thing, the way she gurns and grits her teeth like a dog. Annoying cow!