Do you think Mario is jealous of Ben?

[Truth Teller]

I think they might do ;)

Let's give it a bit of time first guys and get to know people......;)

[Vodka Drinka]

Let's give it a bit of time first guys and get to know people......;)

Yeah, and of course we would need to discuss it democratically...;)

[honeydew]

It took us weeks to get you to the island - and we gave you your very own brick wall to bang your head against :spin:

HI babycakes; :cat:

I love cakes .... victoria cakes, Almond cakes ,ginger cakes..:elephant:


ALL types of cakes big, small..I am goingto have a cake now..umm ,yum,yumm

Where is this Island, is it in the pacific ocean. I want to kidnap Ben to an Island and hope for lods of lovely days and nights..

Watching the sun set the sun rise....dream dream !!!!!!:dance:

[Truth Teller]

I've kinda lost track of all you lovely new ladies! I know I spoke to Pyramid, UV and I think Babycakes last night..

For all of you who I haven't spoken to yet, it's lovely to have some friendly, intelligent new members!

Looking forward to some fun :hugesmile:

Hi Happyland, nice to meet you:dance::xyxwave:

[Pyramid*]

:xyxwave::wavey:
Hello Bennites. :hugesmile:

First of all. Many thanks for the lovely welcome from so many.

Curiosity is natural. I was banned from DS because I had the temerity to comment that another fm had just contradicted themselves, and that their argument was of the strawman variety. Whhhhhoom... down came the ban stick. :joker: How could I have been so callous, so mean, so heart hearted and vicious!! PMSL.

So thanks to Vodka and a few others mentioning TIBBS, which I'd never heard of (sorry), I decided to have a quick look around here and the rest as they say is history.

Loving the way the thread has taken off and loving the smilies !! :dance:

Now, funny a bit of limerick came alive: we had quite a poetic night one evening on 'that other place'.... and had some good fun.

so,

A man, but not His Nibbs
Being discussed on a forum named TIBBS
Do we love Mario or Ben
I'll give you a starter for ten
He's got a quiff and that's telling no fibbs.....


:spin::spin::spin:

[Vodka Drinka]

Evening Pyramid!!!!

I wonder if Mario and his followers are keeping tabs on is? ;)

[Ultra Violet]

Evening Pyramid!!!!

I wonder if Mario and his followers are keeping tabs on is? ;)

I think they're a busted flush ... they are nowhere near bright or amusing enough for a Forum like this ... and they probably know it ... :hugesmile:

Like calls to like ... as I always say ... like calls to like ... :wavey:

[Pyramid*]

Evening Pyramid!!!!

I wonder if Mario and his followers are keeping tabs on is? ;)

Hi Voddy and UV xx

Oh I'm sure they are. After all, Mario thinks of us (in one form or another) which makes US the celebrities.

How's that !!! Great stuff.

November is upon us......I can hear the tick, tock, tick, tock CCT countdown beginning.....:elephant::elephant::dance:

I'm going to run about my hotel room switching on and off all the lights in honour of Mario's forthcoming celebrity event. :joker:

[Vodka Drinka]

A week today Pyramid.... A WEEK TODAY!!!!!:elephant::dance:

[Ultra Violet]

Hi Voddy and UV xx

Oh I'm sure they are. After all, Mario thinks of us (in one form or another) which makes US the celebrities.

How's that !!! Great stuff.

November is upon us......I can hear the tick, tock, tick, tock CCT countdown beginning.....:elephant::elephant::dance:

I'm going to run about my hotel room switching on and off all the lights in honour of Mario's forthcoming celebrity event. :joker:

Oh you are just SOOOO funny ... you crack me up ... (with apologies to all cougars ... ) :joker:

[Vodka Drinka]

It all comes down to penis envy at the end of the day. Mario probably has a rodent like Penis:joker::joker::joker:

[Malza]

DS is full of Mario fans who love slagging Ben off right left and centre:nono:

We will not miss you :xyxwave:

Hey I found this place first!!!!:elephant::dance:

Oh really? I had a wonderful time here when BB was still running

I wonder if Mario and his followers are keeping tabs on is? ;)

Sure, it is so funny to see people getting overexcited on pink elephants :joker:

[Pyramid*]

We will not miss you :xyxwave:



Oh really? I had a wonderful time here when BB was still running



Sure, it is so funny to see people getting overexcited on pink elephants :joker:


Oh hello again. :xyxwave:

Ah, you see, the thing is: pink elephants are amusing. See....:elephant::elephant::elephant: Far more so than someone who runs about showing off their one claim to fame (ie: one large testicle).

:spin::spin:

[Vodka Drinka]

Hang on Malza... I have not left DS, and I have no intention of doing so. I'm just having a little fun on here (at Mario's expense:joker:)

[pices]

It all comes down to penis envy at the end of the day. Mario probably has a rodent like Penis:joker::joker::joker:

Ha ha, thats something I never want to find out:nono:Mario is consumed with envy, he was jealous of any attention the others got, and it would send him into sulks, he was jealous of Ben having other friends and wanted to keep Ben all to himself, his '' shielding'' of Ben was just a type of control which he needed to have in order to keep him to himself.:mad:
He literally could not bear it when Ben was given the stand up, fake shirt for fake person was his comment, this went on until the Ben day when all of a sudden Mario started to talk to Ben again, only because most of the others were having a go at Ben and Mario thought once again Ben was out of favour and he could get back control, he is a sad delusional sleazebag.

[Angus]

Sure, it is so funny to see people getting overexcited on pink elephants :joker:[/QUOTE]

Give me pink elephants any day over ridiculous and incongruous butterflies randomly attached to an ill fitting jacket:joker: Blue Peter has a lot to answer for:laugh:

[Ultra Violet]

Hang on Malza... I have not left DS, and I have no intention of doing so. I'm just having a little fun on here (at Mario's expense:joker:)

Malza will find that most of us still occasionally bother to check out DS and leave the odd posting ... but this is MUCH more fun ... there are some fabulous FMs who have great taste and wit and charm (and their command of the language is fantastically good ... in fact well nigh perfect ... they are great company ... :dance: )

:devil:

[Pyramid*]

Malza will find that most of us still occasionally bother to check out DS and leave the odd posting ... but this is MUCH more fun ... there are some fabulous FMs who have great taste and wit and charm (and their command of the language is fantastically good ... in fact well nigh perfect ... they are great company ... :dance: )

:devil:


This is so funny. :joker: Most of you lot are still alive, well and kicking on DS..... you'd think most of you had been perma banned the way some are talking...... when in fact, you have lots and lots more to give out. :dance: In fact, it's only ME that's permabanned !!!! LOL.

[Ultra Violet]

This is so funny. :joker: Most of you lot are still alive, well and kicking on DS..... you'd think most of you had been perma banned the way some are talking...... when in fact, you have lots and lots more to give out. :dance: In fact, it's only ME that's permabanned !!!! LOL.
For NOTHING ... and Malza got away with transferring a TIBB thread over onto DS ... which broke ALL their rules and was COMPLETELY unethical ... and she is still there ... the world has gone mad, I tell you ... mad, mad, MAD ... :joker:

[Pyramid*]

[/B]
For NOTHING ... and Malza got away with transferring a TIBB thread over onto DS ... which broke ALL their rules and was COMPLETELY unethical ... and she is still there ... the world has gone mad, I tell you ... mad, mad, MAD ... :joker:

Aha..... let that bother you not. Rise UV, rise high above it all. :blush::blush:

Mario was / is incredibly jealous of Ben. I wonder if Mario will ever get over his unrequited love?

Ben really made a smart move completely distancing himself from Mario upon leaving the BB house. Very smart move indeed from Ben.:spin::spin:

[Vodka Drinka]

[/B]
For NOTHING ... and Malza got away with transferring a TIBB thread over onto DS ... which broke ALL their rules and was COMPLETELY unethical ... and she is still there ... the world has gone mad, I tell you ... mad, mad, MAD ... :joker:

Malza also said on the Mario thread that she wanted to murder me and got away with that as well...

[Pyramid*]

Malza also said on the Mario thread that she wanted to murder me and got away with that as well...


In fairness Vodka...... if it meant I was in with a chance with Ben, I'd be away out ordering a few bags of concrete, a sack and some strong rope too.....


:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:


tee hee....xx

[Vodka Drinka]

In fairness Vodka...... if it meant I was in with a chance with Ben, I'd be away out ordering a few bags of concrete, a sack and some strong rope too.....


:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:


tee hee....xx

:joker::joker::joker::joker:

I'm sure Mario is green with envy about Ben!! 100% sure of it!!:joker:

[Ultra Violet]

Malza also said on the Mario thread that she wanted to murder me and got away with that as well...

That's right ... so she did ... but she coded it very carefully ... murdering a Vodka ... as if she were desperate for a drink ... unbelievable ...

I alerted the mods and explained it all ... but to no avail ... appalling really ... :shocked:

[Vodka Drinka]

That's right ... so she did ... but she coded it very carefully ... murdering a Vodka ... as if she were desperate for a drink ... unbelievable ...

I alerted the mods and explained it all ... but to no avail ... appalling really ... :shocked:

Totally. But I've realised that Malza is totally spiteful.

[Pyramid*]

:joker::joker::joker::joker:

I'm sure Mario is green with envy about Ben!! 100% sure of it!!:joker:


Being serious for a moment here.... we know that Ben has regular guest spots on radio, he does all other media work, as well as of course, CCT - apart from pressing a button in Southend....what has Mario got lined up that would compare?

[Vodka Drinka]

Being serious for a moment here.... we know that Ben has regular guest spots on radio, he does all other media work, as well as of course, CCT - apart from pressing a button in Southend....what has Mario got lined up that would compare?

Well he apparently had an interview with Max Clifford. I'm not sure what he hoped to get from that? Maybe he hopes to become a kiss and tell queen??:joker:

[Ultra Violet]

Totally. But I've realised that Malza is totally spiteful.

I'm afraid that that does seem to be true ... it is impossible not to see it ... shame ...

Like calls to like ... darling, I always say it ... like calls to like ... :joker:

[Vodka Drinka]

I'm afraid that that does seem to be true ... it is impossible not to see it ... shame ...

Like calls to like ... darling, I always say it ... like calls to like ... :joker:

Takes one to know one and all that...

[Ultra Violet]

Well he apparently had an interview with Max Clifford. I'm not sure what he hoped to get from that? Maybe he hopes to become a kiss and tell queen??:joker:

Well that is what Max Clifford does specialise in ...

In the other place people seemed to think that he was in effect an agent ...

He is not ... he handles PR for people who are making it ... I don't see that Mario is making it ... and don't think he could pay Max Clifford's monthly fee ... unless he tries to get a public subscription going on Twitter again ... like he did when he wanted people to buy Davina McCaw for him ... :joker:

[babycakes]

[/QUOTE]

Give me pink elephants any day over ridiculous and incongruous butterflies randomly attached to an ill fitting jacket:joker: Blue Peter has a lot to answer for:laugh:[/QUOTE]

We are of one mind on this subject angus58. I've never seen a more ridiculous article, and I wore a few in the 80's :joker:

[Pyramid*]

Totally. But I've realised that Malza is totally spiteful.


Let's not get into this too deep folks. Let's not fall into the same vein as others have done elsewhere..... eh? :blush:

[Ultra Violet]

Let's not get into this too deep folks. Let's not fall into the same vein as others have done elsewhere..... eh? :blush:

No ... you are absolutely right ... I don't want to be horrible about anyone ... I am a nice person ... it is not the way to go ... I take the point ... happiness all round ... I shall bear this in mind ... and apologise if necessary ... good times ... :spin:

[Pyramid*]

No ... you are absolutely right ... I don't want to be horrible about anyone ... I am a nice person ... it is not the way to go ... I take the point ... happiness all round ... I shall bear this in mind ... and apologise if necessary ... good times ... :spin:

We can be 'horrible' about the more loathsome housemates though.....:devil::devil::devil:

Night night toots - and everyone too! Thanks for chats and fun. See you tomorrow (depedant whether I get wined and dined) :wavey::wavey::sleep:

[Truth Teller]

We can be 'horrible' about the more loathsome housemates though.....:devil::devil::devil:

Night night toots - and everyone too! Thanks for chats and fun. See you tomorrow (depedant whether I get wined and dined) :wavey::wavey::sleep:

Night night Pym:sleep::sleep:

[Ultra Violet]

Night night Pym:sleep::sleep:

Night night ... new friends and old ... I love everybody ... (well almost) ... I feel as if I have been at the most marvellous party ever ... brilliant fun ... :joker: ... but now time for ... :sleep:

[Truth Teller]

Yes time to sleep UV. See you all tomorrow.:xyxwave::sleep:

[Ultra Violet]

Yes time to sleep UV. See you all tomorrow.:xyxwave::sleep:

Off early to do a long long day ... sadly don't think you'll hear from me again until Thursday at the earliest ... I am going to miss everybody ... I love you all ... xxx :elephant::elephant::elephant: :joker:

[Suze]

Well he apparently had an interview with Max Clifford. I'm not sure what he hoped to get from that? Maybe he hopes to become a kiss and tell queen??:joker:

I thought Mario gave the impression Max Clifford was his agent? when he posts elsewhere to his fans. I must admit I found that hard to believe as I doubted Mario would be able to afford Max Clifford's fees, as I expect he wouldn't come cheap? or sadly I suppose that Max Clifford would even be interested in representing Mario who appears to possess a pretty nondescript unsellable personality in reality, and as in the BB house I can see after the initial Mario charm has worn off that he would become very grating on others, and I am assumming Max Clifford doesn't come cheap as a PR, and what would Mario have to sell about himself or products? I am being especially serious here in that latter question.

[Truth Teller]

I thought Mario gave the impression Max Clifford was his agent? when he posts elsewhere to his fans. I must admit I found that hard to believe as I doubted Mario would be able to afford Max Clifford's fees, as I expect he wouldn't come cheap? or sadly I suppose that Max Clifford would even be interested in representing Mario who appears to possess a pretty nondescript unsellable personality in reality, and as in the BB house I can see after the initial Mario charm has worn off that he would become very grating on others, and I am assumming Max Clifford doesn't come cheap as a PR, and what would Mario have to sell about himself or products? I am being especially serious here in that latter question.

Hi Suze, it is a bit strange as Max Clifford also does kiss and tell stories so you don't know if Mario was just there to sell a story. Max Clifford wouldn't have been interested in him as a client so it may be the former.....:conf: and Clifford probably would have turned it down....

[Vodka Drinka]

I thought Mario gave the impression Max Clifford was his agent? when he posts elsewhere to his fans. I must admit I found that hard to believe as I doubted Mario would be able to afford Max Clifford's fees, as I expect he wouldn't come cheap? or sadly I suppose that Max Clifford would even be interested in representing Mario who appears to possess a pretty nondescript unsellable personality in reality, and as in the BB house I can see after the initial Mario charm has worn off that he would become very grating on others, and I am assumming Max Clifford doesn't come cheap as a PR, and what would Mario have to sell about himself or products? I am being especially serious here in that latter question.

I found it odd and hard to believe as well. Obviously like you say Max Cliffords fee's are extortionate and I can't believe Mario would ever be able to afford them. Clifford does tend to represent very big stars such as Simon Cowell and countless premier league footballers, people with lots of money and clout basically. I can't see him taking on a former BB housemate ever.

[Pyramid*]

I found it odd and hard to believe as well. Obviously like you say Max Cliffords fee's are extortionate and I can't believe Mario would ever be able to afford them. Clifford does tend to represent very big stars such as Simon Cowell and countless premier league footballers, people with lots of money and clout basically. I can't see him taking on a former BB housemate ever.

Didn't he represent the late Jade Goody at one point? That said, Jade was bankable and a milliionaire. Mario is neither and my guess and I'd be very surprised if Max would be involved with the odious little egotisical cretin that is the mole.

[Mystic Mock]

of course his jealous of ben,and he called me a little dick which if i was in the big brother house with him and i threw them insults at him that i did on his twitter page,he wouldnt have said anything.

[Pyramid*]

of course his jealous of ben,and he called me a little dick which if i was in the big brother house with him and i threw them insults at him that i did on his twitter page,he wouldnt have said anything.

The guy tweets about the most banal things, who in their right minds are interested in knowing a person's every litte thought or movement - quite pathetic that he has to resort to twitter to get attention ! Actually, its not pathetic really. It's bloody hilarious! :hugesmile::hugesmile:

[keithafc]

Ben went into BB for one thing, to expose himself and to make a name for himself. He did that. It was criminal he went when we did. Mario was only 'good' as the mole. After that, he was boring as *****.

[Pyramid*]

Ben went into BB for one thing, to expose himself and to make a name for himself. He did that. It was criminal he went when we did. Mario was only 'good' as the mole. After that, he was boring as *****.

I think we all saw the mole's true colours early on when he was nominated. I'll never forgot watching him sitting up in bed throwing a major tantrum that would put a 4 year old child to shame, and banging on about how he had to work harder than everyone else to be there, and he deserved to be there more than anyone else.

yeah right Moley.

Ben did the right thing. He went in to increase his exposure, and when BB ended..... he made a very smart choice in distancing himself from the pervy one, the one who sat back and leered whilst ordering young Andrew to strip off - then he sat back oogling him like some sicko.


Well... perhaps not 'like' some sicko. If the caps fits Mario. ;)

[lauraC]

My own personal opinion is that Mario was completely besotted by Ben in the house and when Ben rejected Mario, the mole couldn't take it.

Nowthat both of them have left the BB house - Mario does appear to come across bitter about the fact that Ben, on leaving the house, was quite at ease to cease all contact with Mario. Not that I personally blame Ben for that - indeed, I applaud him for not pretending that Mario was some sort of long life friend. Ben understood that the house and those in it, including himself, worked with 'temporary BB House allegiances'.

Now Ben is guesting on radio shows, is on Celebrity Coach Trip and is involved in all sorts of other work and avenues: I cannot help feel that Mario is completly eaten up with jealousy in Ben's success (before and after the BB experience).

What are your thoughts.....
No I think he fancied nathan more, he just can't be bothered with ben now he has left the house, most of the housemates can't he's not the only one.

[Ultra Violet]

No I think he fancied nathan more, he just can't be bothered with ben now he has left the house, most of the housemates can't he's not the only one.

So ... do tell us ... which drugs are you on ... ? :joker: :xyxwave:

[Niamh.]

So ... do tell us ... which drugs are you on ... ? :joker: :xyxwave:


I'm sure you can discuss ex HMs without insulting other members:hugesmile:

[Ultra Violet]

I'm sure you can discuss ex HMs without insulting other members:hugesmile:

Probably can ... :hugesmile: ... but that all just seemed so sort of ... WRONG ... :blush:

Don't know if I have the time or energy to start going into it all ... :conf:

(I mean ... NATHAN ... Mario was after NATHAN ... ? :elephant: :joker: :conf:)

[Ultra Violet]

Plus ... Ben is still in frequent touch with quite a few of the ex HMs ... and what is more they are always GENUINELY excited and happy to see him ... :hugesmile:

[Ultra Violet]

I am going out with Ben and another former HM next week ... I know how much they adore each other ... and shall be SEEing it for myself ...

So when people imply that the others 'can't be bothered' with him ... don't expect me NOT to interject a little bit of truth ... :cat:

[honeydew]

I am going out with Ben and another former HM next week ... I know how much they adore each other ... and shall be SEEing it for myself ...

So when people imply that the others 'can't be bothered' with him ... don't expect me NOT to interject a little bit of truth ... :cat:

OH you are so lucky to be friends with Ben and vice versa I am sure...:blush:

UV you have tell us all about it...:xyxwave:

[lauraC]

Probably can ... :hugesmile: ... but that all just seemed so sort of ... WRONG ... :blush:

Don't know if I have the time or energy to start going into it all ... :conf:

(I mean ... NATHAN ... Mario was after NATHAN ... ? :elephant: :joker: :conf:)

yes, he had a massive crush on nathan :hugesmile:, not my type but whatever rocks his boat I suppose, he must have some charisma about him afterall he's dating rachel

[Vodka Drinka]

No I think he fancied nathan more, he just can't be bothered with ben now he has left the house, most of the housemates can't he's not the only one.

That's not true at all. We all know for a fact that Ben is still in touch with Corin, Andrew, Laura and Sunshine. He might still be in touch with Dave as well? Maybe U.V can confirm that?

At the end of the day no one expects Ben and Mario to be bussom buddies, but Mario is just being very childish and mean spirited about the whole thing. And as of yet none of his fans have been able to explain to me why he has forgiven Dave who said far worse about him than Ben ever did?

[lauraC]

That's not true at all. We all know for a fact that Ben is still in touch with Corin, Andrew, Laura and Sunshine. He might still be in touch with Dave as well? Maybe U.V can confirm that?

At the end of the day no one expects Ben and Mario to be bussom buddies, but Mario is just being very childish and mean spirited about the whole thing. And as of yet none of his fans have been able to explain to me why he has forgiven Dave who said far worse about him than Ben ever did?

Dave was horrible to mario but Ben was nasty , he made some very personal and unforgivable comments, dave was sly but he wasn't nasty

[Ultra Violet]

yes, he had a massive crush on nathan :hugesmile:, not my type but whatever rocks his boat I suppose, he must have some charisma about him afterall he's dating rachel

It is a bit sad ... and a waste of time ... for a gay man to have a crush on a 'balls scratchingly straight' man though (even if it is true ... :shocked:) ... isn't it?

What on earth would be the point of that ... ?

Nathan clearly only goes for sexy young WOMEN ... don't you think ... ? :joker:

[lauraC]

It is a bit sad and a waste of time for a gay man to have a crush on a nose pickingly straight man though (even if it is true ... :shocked:) ... isn't it?

What on earth would be the point of that ... ?

Nathan clearly only goes for sexy young WOMEN ... don't you think ... ? :joker:

Well as most men are not gay I suppose it happens a lot, I remember Ben had a crush on simon Cowell and Nasty nick. It happens

[Ultra Violet]

Dave was horrible to mario but Ben was nasty , he made some very personal and unforgivable comments, dave was sly but he wasn't nasty

Could someone explain how 'horrible' and 'nasty' are qualitatively different ... ?

They seem rather interchangeable to me ... :joker: :devil:

[Vodka Drinka]

Dave was horrible to mario but Ben was nasty , he made some very personal and unforgivable comments, dave was sly but he wasn't nasty

Horrible and nasty? Are they not the same thing?

And I must have imagined the time Dave told Mario he was going to hell for nominating him, he also instigated a lot of the bitching about Mario. But I suppose Mario didn't want to sexually molest Dave did he? :rolleyes:

[lauraC]

Could someone explain how 'horrible' and 'nasty' are qualitatively different ... ?

They seem rather interchangeable to me ... :joker: :devil:

Dave was sly, he played the BB game he did it by dripping distrust about mario to the other housemates, outside the house that probably still hurts but not in the same way as learning that someone you liked (a lot) said some really ****ty nasty horrible things about you

[Ultra Violet]

Well as most men are not gay I suppose it happens a lot, I remember Ben had a crush on simon Cowell and Nasty nick. It happens

Ben did not have a 'crush' on Simon or Nick ...

Ben is not gay either ...

Could you try to get over that?

I know the truth of it ... (I shall say no more ... ) :joker:

[Vodka Drinka]

Dave was sly, he played the BB game he did it by dripping distrust about mario to the other housemates, outside the house that probably still hurts but not in the same way as learning that someone you liked (a lot) said some really ****ty nasty horrible things about you

But Dave also said unpleasant things about Mario? Why are you choosing to ignore this?

[lauraC]

Ben did not have a 'crush' on Simon or Nick ...

Ben is not gay either ...

Could you try to get over that?

I know the truth of it ... (I shall say no more ... ) :joker:

so why did he have sex with men? he's bisexual at least and he did say he fancied simon cowell and he wanted to go on a romantic meal with Nasty nick

[lauraC]

But Dave also said unpleasant things about Mario? Why are you choosing to ignore this?

he didn't, he used to say "ben said mario was boring, ben said bla bla bla" a sly way of bitching but not actually making the comments himself

[Vodka Drinka]

so why did he have sex with men? he's bisexual at least and he did say he fancied simon cowell and he wanted to go on a romantic meal with Nasty nick

Hang on, when did he ever say he had sex with men?!

[lauraC]

Hang on, when did he ever say he had sex with men?!

on big brother, on live feed

[Ultra Violet]

so why did he have sex with men? he's bisexual at least and he did say he fancied simon cowell and he wanted to go on a romantic meal with Nasty nick

You do state some things as established fact when you really don't have any knowledge about them ... you are on rather unsafe ground here ... I think it may be libellous ... most people of either gender have had youthful indiscretions ... if you want to take this any further I would do a bit more research and be VERY careful indeed ... seriously ... think about it a bit ... and do yourself a favour ... :nono:

[Vodka Drinka]

on big brother, on live feed

Funny no one else heard it then.

[lauraC]

Funny no one else heard it then.

I don't know if it got on the highlights but ben definately likes the oysters and mussels or rather muscles :hugesmile:

[Ultra Violet]

I don't know if it got on the highlights but ben definately likes the oysters and mussels or rather muscles :hugesmile:

I have said it before ... and I am absolutely serious about it ... but I believe that we are now straying into the area of libel ... and it might be something on which some action should be taken ... at some point soon ... so think about what you are saying and claiming ... please do ... for your own sake if for no one else's ... ?

[Ultra Violet]

I don't know if it got on the highlights but ben definately likes the oysters and mussels or rather muscles :hugesmile:

You are on a thread now with a LOT of people who were watching the Livestream both day and night ... so be careful if you are tempted to start patronising these people ... because they will not like it ... and it would not be a good idea ... :nono:

[Vodka Drinka]

If Ben is gay then how come he so openly lusted over the first Rachael when she was in the house? He was like a love sick puppy around her, and Mario was quite jealous of it if I remember correctly. He even said he wanted to marry at one point and took her a drink in bed one night (which led to John James blowing up because he thought she was taking advantage).

[gemmiej]

If Ben is gay then how come he so openly lusted over the first Rachael when she was in the house? He was like a love sick puppy around her, and Mario was quite jealous of it if I remember correctly. He even said he wanted to marry at one point and took her a drink in bed one night (which led to John James blowing up because he thought she was taking advantage).

I remember him saying that Voddy. In fact I remember laughing when he said that he wanted to name his first son Bertie, because its a name I love. Just goes to say I watched way too much live feed! :xyxwave:

[Vodka Drinka]

I remember him saying that Voddy. In fact I remember laughing when he said that he wanted to name his first son Bertie, because its a name I love. Just goes to say I watched way too much live feed! :xyxwave:

Rachael didn't give him the time of day though did she? Some women would give their right arm to have Ben so openly lusting over them... :blush2::devil:

[gemmiej]

Rachael didn't give him the time of day though did she? Some women would give their right arm to have Ben so openly lusting over them... :blush2::devil:

You wouldn't happen to be one of them would you? :joker:

[Vodka Drinka]

You wouldn't happen to be one of them would you? :joker:

Of course!!!!:devil::kiss:

[Suze]

so why did he have sex with men? he's bisexual at least and he did say he fancied simon cowell and he wanted to go on a romantic meal with Nasty nick

Ahhh, I have just cottoned on who you post as on the other site. It was niggling at me until now.

Ben has said he isn't gay, likes women :) And I am inclined to believe Ben about his life rather than yourself. Even I as a Ben fan wouldn't presume to know or state such about his private life.

[Ultra Violet]

Ahhh, I have just cottoned on who you post as on the other site. It was niggling at me until now.

Ben has said he isn't gay, likes women :) And I am inclined to believe Ben about his life rather than yourself. Even I as a Ben fan wouldn't presume to know or state such about his private life.

Oh yes indeed ... the light is dawning ... the scales are falling from the eyes ...

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker: :xyxwave:

[gemmiej]

Oh yes indeed ... the light is dawning ... the scales are falling from the eyes ...

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker: :xyxwave:

Now I get it! :devil:

[Vodka Drinka]

Is it MoleyMo?

[Ultra Violet]

Is it MoleyMo?

Oh ... I think I'd stake the family silver on it ... :elephant:

I just sent a welcome message to Moley ... under the latest alias ... to say welcome aboard ... and chocks away ...

:elephant::elephant::elephant::elephant: :dance: :elephant::elephant:

:joker: :xyxwave: :devil:

[gemmiej]

Oh ... I think I'd stake the family silver on it ... :elephant:

I just sent a welcome message to Moley ... welcome aboard ... and chocks away ...

:elephant::elephant::elephant::elephant: :dance: :elephant::elephant:

:joker: :xyxwave: :devil:

Posts like these are the reason I call you my friend and love you as much as I do! :elephant::devil:

[Ultra Violet]

Posts like these are the reason I call you my friend and love you as much as I do! :elephant::devil:

And I love you too, sweetpea ... kisses ... together we are strong ... :elephant::elephant::elephant::elephant::elephant: :joker: :devil::devil:

[Vodka Drinka]

Posts like these are the reason I call you my friend and love you as much as I do! :elephant::devil:

Oh I just love that pic of Ben you have as your signature, he looks so handsome on it!!:devil:

[Pyramid*]

so why did he have sex with men? he's bisexual at least and he did say he fancied simon cowell and he wanted to go on a romantic meal with Nasty nick

Laura C. Here is a little example of understanding of sexuality - as I do honestly think you may possibly be confused by the use of the term, 'Gay' - ie: a person of the same sex preferring intercourse with a member of the same sex.

A few examples for you. A person may not have sex for several years. This does not automatically mean the person is celibate in the correct sense of the word. (ie: vowed not to have sex), it could mean the opportunity has not arisen for them to have sex - and it is nothing more than that, they simply have not had sex for a while.

Another example: I personally have tried various types of shellfish (since you seem to correlate to mussels and oysters). This is the very important bit coming up: I have tried them. Indeed, several times. No matter how often I tried, I didn't like them. Therefore I can say that I am not a shellfish eater - evern though I had seveal types down my throat and in my belly. It is my choice not to eat any more shellfish even though I tried, therefore I am not consided a shellfish eater.

Now adopt that context into your context of 'being gay'. I think you misunderstand what being gay means. A person can try out various things, it does not mean that they fit into a certain niche.;)

[babycakes]

I have said it before ... and I am absolutely serious about it ... but I believe that we are now straying into the area of libel ... and it might be something on which some action should be taken ... at some point soon ... so think about what you are saying and claiming ... please do ... for your own sake if for no one else's ... ?

:cat: There was actually a very interesting court case that was publicised in recent weeks regarding libelous comments posted on internets sites UV. I'll try to dig the article out and send it to you. The days of keyboard warriors making wild accusations and posting out and out lies on internet forums will be a thing of the past :nono:

[babycakes]

Laura C. Here is a little example of understanding of sexuality - as I do honestly think you may possibly be confused by the use of the term, 'Gay' - ie: a person of the same sex preferring intercourse with a member of the same sex.

A few examples for you. A person may not have sex for several years. This does not automatically mean the person is celibate in the correct sense of the word. (ie: vowed not to have sex), it could mean the opportunity has not arisen for them to have sex - and it is nothing more than that, they simply have not had sex for a while.

Another example: I personally have tried various types of shellfish (since you seem to correlate to mussels and oysters). This is the very important bit coming up: I have tried them. Indeed, several times. No matter how often I tried, I didn't like them. Therefore I can say that I am not a shellfish eater - evern though I had seveal types down my throat and in my belly. It is my choice not to eat any more shellfish even though I tried, therefore I am not consided a shellfish eater.

Now adopt that context into your context of 'being gay'. I think you misunderstand what being gay means. A person can try out various things, it does not mean that they fit into a certain niche.;)

How marvellous that someone explains context so clearly. You are wise, dearest Mids. I only hope that those that don't understand, or chose not to understand, have now had the scales lifted from their eyes.

There's a lovely witty line, uttered by Fi in 4 Weddings and a Funeral. " I was gay once, at school, for about 15 minutes" :hugesmile:

[Pyramid*]

UV and Voddy:- My radar tells me it is Moleymo aka Mario.....:dance:

[Ultra Violet]

UV and Voddy:- My radar tells me it is Moleymo aka Mario.....:dance:

Oh I think several of us came to THAT conclusion a few hours ago ... :elephant::elephant::elephant: :joker: :devil:

[Pyramid*]

Oh I think several of us came to THAT conclusion a few hours ago ... :elephant::elephant::elephant: :joker: :devil:

Some of us were driving for the last 4 hours.... *biffs UV* :wavey:

[Ultra Violet]

Some of us were driving for the last 4 hours.... *biffs UV* :wavey:

I know ... I am an UTTER bitch ... it is true ... like calls to like ... Ben's friend and all that ... unforgivable ....... you had all better ostracise me ... :joker::joker::joker:

[Pyramid*]

How marvellous that someone explains context so clearly. You are wise, dearest Mids. I only hope that those that don't understand, or chose not to understand, have now had the scales lifted from their eyes.

There's a lovely witty line, uttered by Fi in 4 Weddings and a Funeral. " I was gay once, at school, for about 15 minutes" :hugesmile:


funny line...and VERY true.

Standing in your garage, does not make you a car. :hugesmile:

More importantly: given that I do not have a garage, I could never be a car. :(

[Ultra Violet]

How marvellous that someone explains context so clearly. You are wise, dearest Mids. I only hope that those that don't understand, or chose not to understand, have now had the scales lifted from their eyes.

There's a lovely witty line, uttered by Fi in 4 Weddings and a Funeral. " I was gay once, at school, for about 15 minutes" :hugesmile:

It is the most brilliant and funny - and true - line ever written ... :joker::joker::joker:

And I just love you more than ever for thinking of it ... :wavey:

[babycakes]

Actually I think I misquoted - I think the line actually is "I was a lesbian once...." but hey ho, you got my drift.

Sexuality is not a black and white state of mind. I have been known to drool over Kylie Minogues perfect bottom, encased in gold hotpants. Lust or envy - who knows, and more to the point - who bloody cares :joker:

[Pyramid*]

Actually I think I misquoted - I think the line actually is "I was a lesbian once...." but hey ho, you got my drift.

Sexuality is not a black and white state of mind. I have been known to drool over Kylie Minogues perfect bottom, encased in gold hotpants. Lust or envy - who knows, and more to the point - who bloody cares :joker:


Oh me too. But I confess my sins. It was driven out of nothing but absolute jealousy. Not envy. Real hardcore green eyed monster stuff.

lol.

[Truth Teller]

:cat: There was actually a very interesting court case that was publicised in recent weeks regarding libelous comments posted on internets sites UV. I'll try to dig the article out and send it to you. The days of keyboard warriors making wild accusations and posting out and out lies on internet forums will be a thing of the past :nono:

Do find - very interesting. It's funny how people can post stuff on the internet which is wrong and they don't actually know someone and think its ok or say things that are untrue. I look forward to reading this BC.:wavey::dazzler:

I wonder if voting scams on the internet will be tackled in future....

[babycakes]

Do find - very interesting. It's funny how people can post stuff on the internet which is wrong and they don't actually know someone and think its ok or say things that are untrue. I look forward to reading this BC.:wavey::dazzler:

I wonder if voting scams on the internet will be tackled in future....

This is one of the recent ones, although this was not just about lies (though this blokes untruths were megasick) but there have been several in recent months. http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2010/11/02/internet-troll-jailed-for-18-weeks/

[babycakes]

I wonder if voting scams on the internet will be tackled in future....

Too late to affect the outcome of BB, but not fair which ever way you look at it. Dirty tricks that cost the unsuspecting hard cash.

[lauraC]

UV and Voddy:- My radar tells me it is Moleymo aka Mario.....:dance:

you are crazy if you think I'm mario

[lauraC]

:cat: There was actually a very interesting court case that was publicised in recent weeks regarding libelous comments posted on internets sites UV. I'll try to dig the article out and send it to you. The days of keyboard warriors making wild accusations and posting out and out lies on internet forums will be a thing of the past :nono:

ben talked about his sexuality all the time in the house and liking men aswell as women, I think it's a bit unfair on his fans to try and make him into something he wasn't, clearly in the house his sexuality is a big issue for him and he felt he had to hide a part of who he is and I think it's this kind of attitude and it's unfair, what's wrong with ben being bisexual?

[Vodka Drinka]

ben talked about his sexuality all the time in the house and liking men aswell as women, I think it's a bit unfair on his fans to try and make him into something he wasn't, clearly in the house his sexuality is a big issue for him and he felt he had to hide a part of who he is and I think it's this kind of attitude and it's unfair, what's wrong with ben being bisexual?

What business is it of yours what his sexuality is? I personally couldn't care less is if he is gay, straight, bi sexual or asexual or whatever, because its none of my business.

Why are you so preoccupied with who he sleeps with?

[lauraC]

What business is it of yours what his sexuality is? I personally couldn't care less is if he is gay, straight, bi sexual or asexual or whatever, because its none of my business.

Why are you so preoccupied with who he sleeps with?

I don't care, I just feel a bit sad and sorry for him that he feels uncomfortable about his sexuality because of people's refusal to accept who he is

[Vodka Drinka]

I don't care, I just feel a bit sad and sorry for him that he feels uncomfortable about his sexuality because of people's refusal to accept who he is

How do you know he feels uncomfortable with his sexuality? And you obviously do care otherwise you wouldn't be going on and on about it.

[Mystic Mock]

ben talked about his sexuality all the time in the house and liking men aswell as women, I think it's a bit unfair on his fans to try and make him into something he wasn't, clearly in the house his sexuality is a big issue for him and he felt he had to hide a part of who he is and I think it's this kind of attitude and it's unfair, what's wrong with ben being bisexual?

this is mario dreaming to be with ben.:joker:

[lauraC]

this is mario dreaming to be with ben.:joker:

and as a ben fan you calling homosexuals puffs like you did with mario isn't helping ben either is it?

[Ultra Violet]

and as a ben fan you calling homosexuals puffs like you did with mario isn't helping ben either is it?

:conf::conf::conf::conf::conf::conf::conf::conf:: :devil:

[Mystic Mock]

and as a ben fan you calling homosexuals puffs like you did with mario isn't helping ben either is it?

but i didnt.

[lauraC]

but i didnt.

yes you did

[lauraC]

:conf::conf::conf::conf::conf::conf::conf::conf:: :devil:

he's been sending mario homophobic comments

[Ultra Violet]

he's been sending mario homophobic comments

Are you Mario? Or are you a close friend of Mario's?

What else would explain any of this ...

Let it go ... if you don't you are making things worse all the time ...

Is that what you actually want to do ... ?

That is what it is beginning to look like ...

[Mystic Mock]

he's been sending mario homophobic comments

i havent heres my twitter account Your public profile: http://twitter.com/joehart14

[Malza]

Do find - very interesting. It's funny how people can post stuff on the internet which is wrong and they don't actually know someone and think its ok or say things that are untrue.

Funny to read this here... Well, some have their own truth I guess

[Malza]

What business is it of yours what his sexuality is? I personally couldn't care less is if he is gay, straight, bi sexual or asexual or whatever, because its none of my business.

Why are you so preoccupied with who he sleeps with?

Why are you talk and judge about Marios sexuality so often then?

[Malza]

i havent heres my twitter account Your public profile: http://twitter.com/joehart14


This one at last made me laugh... Maybe I should feel honoured

@SuperMarioMugan (http://twitter.com/SuperMarioMugan) your lover malza was defending you on this is big brother,or are you malza?

1. I am female
2. I don't even live in the same country than Mario...

That much about your laughable tweet

[Mystic Mock]

This one at last made me laugh... Maybe I should feel honoured



1. I am female
2. I don't even live in the same country than Mario...

That much about your laughable tweet

it was a joke.

[Ultra Violet]

Why are you talk and judge about Marios sexuality so often then?

No one tries to represent Mario as a liar about his sexual orientation

He says that he is gay ... we believe and accept that ...

No one then says that he is hiding the fact that he is secretly heterosexual ...

That would probably be libellous ... think about this ... and proceed most carefully

No more smilies ... this is getting more and more serious ... deadly serious

[Truth Teller]

he's been sending mario homophobic comments

Please don't accuse people unless you can back it up.


i havent heres my twitter account Your public profile: http://twitter.com/joehart14

Jedward says he hasn't.

Funny to read this here... Well, some have their own truth I guess

Malza baiting yet again. You have the wrong end of the stick. I was talking generally about the internet - it was no reference to anyone or anything - your post is directed at me not a housemate yet again. I was actually interested for another reason completely separate to BB. You seem to think you know me, what I think etc. back up your comments or leave other FM's alone. I don't know you but so far:(

[Pyramid*]

you are crazy if you think I'm mario

Laurac. It is clear that you have joined very suddenly with one intention - to defend Mario. Perfectly understandable, absolutely. I don't see much of that actually going on however.

So far, the foundation of your posts appear to offer nohing more than a great deal of personal attacks and insults on fellow forum members with very very little reasoning from you in respect of why you support Mario and the good you see in him, or debating with them.

I do understand you wanting to offer up your own views of Ben -unpleasant as they may be for Ben fans to read - but certainly not any more/less unpleasant that you as a Mario fan, reading what non Mario fans have to say about Mario. That's the way it is: and I don't see that being an issue as it works both ways. Neither sets of fans like to read the 'not so nice' comments on their fav housemate, but we all ('us' Ben fans included btw), accept that's the way it goes and we have to be gracious enough to accept those differing views.

What I do however see as an issue is that in so few posts from you, the majority is you making unfounded accusations, offering insults to forum members by calling us stalkers, accusing people of bullying, insinuating members are children, baiting attempts, spurious accusations and overall, a highly aggressive & attacking type of postings from you. You appear to be doing is arguing with intent, without any amount of reasoned discussion, favouring insults and personal comments on forum members. That's not debate or discussion LauraC, that's just arguing with it counter-productive. Given that 2 threads have now been closed due to this type of antagonisig and goading of people, who are naturally responding to you in the same manner, I do wonder if that is the sole aim : to stop discussion and to have threads locked - rather than debating in a reasonable manner.

The subjects of discussion are the housemates. Not fellow members on here. I for one am asking that you refrain from offering up insults to fms when they have an opinion that differs from your own. I most certanly won't tolerate any more insults from you to me personally.

I don't think it is beyond the realms of reality that you are Mario, that's my opinion. It could be true. You could be. You may not be, but regardless, that is my own opinion. That doesn't make me crazy.

[Pyramid*]

Why are you talk and judge about Marios sexuality so often then?

Malz. You might want to check back - the subject matter of sexuality came from Laurac on differing posts and threads -even to the point that she appeared not to fully understand what the terminololgy 'gay' actually meant.

I for one, don't give a rats arse about anyone's sexuality, in my eyes, that's a personal choice for a person and it's acceptable regardless - hell even Andrew professed a liking for Watermelon...

My point here is that I and many others on here, don't have issue with anyone's sexuality - the conversation on the subject has trailed over from your fellow Mario supporter, LauraCs comments in regards to sexuality.

That is why the subject is cropping up - it was raised by a Mario fan, in fact, the matter of Mario and Ben's sexuality is raised often by Laura C. and people are addressing Laura C's comments. ;)

[joeysteele]

The thread asks, is Mario jealous of Ben? It is clear he is because he is so bitter about someone he once claimed to be near besotted with, he showed he was a totally false person by the way he turned on BEN once he finally realised that Ben had not the slightest physical interest in him.

It will infuriate Mario that BEN remains so popular, all Mario did was lust after Ben making all sorts of innuendo's,then he did the same with Andrew.
Mario was like a leech,he liked BEN in bother in the house because he could be the shoulder for BEN to lean on,thereby getting physically close to him.

If anyone is obsessed with sexualities then it is Mario himself,he has shown how rotten he is by his vicious and bitter put downs of BEN, so of course he is jealous of BEN.

It is a fact that Mario is untrustworthty in friendship unless you do 'all' he wants you to.
Because of his nastiness to BEN it is natural those who came to like BEN and care about him will race in and defend him. The fact Mario supporters get so worked up is because they have no argument to make, they are defending the indefensible.So in the end they attack the BEN supporters for defending BEN.

Defending BEN however,is easy to do since he kept his dignity and integrity intact all through the time in the house and since leaving it too. He would not lower himself to make the bitter twisted comments Mario is now making about him.

How amazing then that Mario fans cannot see that virtue in BEN but can try to invent any kind of virtue in Mario.

[Pyramid*]

The thread asks, is Mario jealous of Ben? It is clear he is because he is so bitter about someone he once claimed to be near besotted with, he showed he was a totally false person by the way he turned on BEN once he finally realised that Ben had not the slightest physical interest in him.

It will infuriate Mario that BEN remains so popular, all Mario did was lust after Ben making all sorts of innuendo's,then he did the same with Andrew.
Mario was like a leech,he liked BEN in bother in the house because he could be the shoulder for BEN to lean on,thereby getting physically close to him.

If anyone is obsessed with sexualities then it is Mario himself,he has shown how rotten he is by his vicious and bitter put downs of BEN, so of course he is jealous of BEN.

It is a fact that Mario is untrustworthty in friendship unless you do 'all' he wants you to.
Because of his nastiness to BEN it is natural those who came to like BEN and care about him will race in and defend him. The fact Mario supporters get so worked up is because they have no argument to make, they are defending the indefensible.So in the end they attack the BEN supporters for defending BEN.

Defending BEN however,is easy to do since he kept his dignity and integrity intact all through the time in the house and since leaving it too. He would not lower himself to make the bitter twisted comments Mario is now making about him.

How amazing then that Mario fans cannot see that virtue in BEN but can try to invent any kind of virtue in Mario.


Unsurprisingly, I do agree with you and I saw exactly the same traits in Mario as you have explained above.

it did very much appear that Mario was, on the surface, a wonderful friend, there for a shoulder to cry on when necessary - for Ben and others. But it appears to me,that this is Mario's way of trying to forge a bond with the said person: in an attempt to lull them into a false sense of security - with Mario's ultimate goal being to befriend them, to then try to seduce them. When the person - Ben in this case - realised that, when it was clear why Mario appeared to be a friend, for all the wrong reasons - Ben distanced himself. In my view: quite correctly too.

Mario has clearly had less favour and less support since BB ended. That is very obvious.

it is also obvious that Mario puts himself on a pedastal -as shown on BB when he was nominated for eviction - and in his actions and words during his temper tantrum that, 'he deserved to be there more than anyone else' (How he figured that one out, christ knows!).

Ben has not had to resort to joining twitter in an effort to build up a fan base. Indeed, to the contrary, that goes against he grain with Ben. He doesn't have to resort to self publicity - Ben merely being Ben is enough to garner support.

That I think is one of the more crucial reasons that Mario is jealous. Ben actually is carrying on with his life as it was before BB. Opportunities are coming his way naturally, given his talents, and those opportunites are happening, without Ben having to spend hours and hours online promoting himself.

I can understand Mario's envy but he must also appreciate that he and Ben are at totally opposite ends of the spectrum. That alone will dictate much to who will be more favourable - not only to fans, but in the media word, and for being in demand with various meda sources.

Much relies on how one conducts themselves. In this sense, Ben has conducted himself with dignity and aplomb since leaving the BB house. The same cannot be said for Mario,. this being the same person who tried to promote a 'supposed' Charity donations, when in fact, it was for nothing more than 'fans' to donat to him, to allow him to buy a £7k+ mechanical parrot, with a tiny amount going to charity. That shows the depths to which Mario has to lower himself, to gain some form of publicity. Unfortunately, bad publicity is exactly that - are those who are savvy in the media world - will not welcome Mario. That's the reality of the situation.

[joeysteele]

Thnak you Pyramid,and also it will be no surprise to anyone to find I agree with your comments too.

What is gratifying, likely for both of us and also the many other Ben fans is that we state only facts,there is not a single statement of invention in what we have said.

That is the major difference between Ben supporters and Mario's.Oh and indeed between Ben and Mario themselves too.

[Pyramid*]

Thnak you Pyramid,and also it will be no surprise to anyone to find I agree with your comments too.

What is gratifying, likely for both of us and also the many other Ben fans is that we state only facts,there is not a single statement of invention in what we have said.

That is the major difference between Ben supporters and Mario's.Oh and indeed between Ben and Mario themselves too.

Again, we agree. :blush:

The truth does not have to lend itself to misinterpretation - because it is precisely that, the truth. It's factual. Some may not like it, but it cannot be debunked.

Ben has much more to offer. Mario may have been a member of Mensa, however all that demostrates is an ability to solve problems on a bit of paper, under a little pressure of a time limit. Being a Mensa membr does not equate to having social or emotional maturity. It does not lend itself to being a people person, being likeble, being an affiabe sort and definately does not correlate to being more intelligent in life. If this needs to be proven: look at all the very young children who score incredibly highly in Mensa testing - they may have an intelligent academic brain, but they still remain immature and have no experience of life, for they are still developing socially and emotionally.

I know many people who are, academically, highly intelligent - but live on 'another planet' as far as every day living and applying common sense go.

A measure of relative intelligence is measured in how that intellect is applied. Given the way Mario has projected himself, prostituted himself, if you will, online, one could argue that he actually possess very little intellect where it matters most - in the real world and using that intellect to its optimum, for maximum effect in being successful.

Another example of why Ben is proving more successful than Mario now the show is over.

[Ultra Violet]

Again, we agree. :blush:

The truth does not have to lend itself to misinterpretation - because it is precisely that, the truth. It's factual. Some may not like it, but it cannot be debunked.

Ben has much more to offer. Mario may have been a member of Mensa, however all that demostrates is an ability to solve problems on a bit of paper, under a little pressure of a time limit. Being a Mensa membr does not equate to having social or emotional maturity. It does not lend itself to being a people person, being likeble, being an affiabe sort and definately does not correlate to being more intelligent in life. If this needs to be proven: look at all the very young children who score incredibly highly in Mensa testing - they may have an intelligent academic brain, but they still remain immature and have no experience of life, for they are still developing socially and emotionally.

I know many people who are, academically, highly intelligent - but live on 'another planet' as far as every day living and applying common sense go.

A measure of relative intelligence is measured in how that intellect is applied. Given the way Mario has projected himself, prostituted himself, if you will, online, one could argue that he actually possess very little intellect where it matters most - in the real world and using that intellect to its optimum, for maximum effect in being successful.

Another example of why Ben is proving more successful than Mario now the show is over.

Might I just agree here with the fact that the Mensa connection is a total red herring?

I have taught at one of our most established and sought after universities and Mario is clearly NOT someone who has the intellect (or grasp of the subtleties of English) to gain a place in a similar institution and would clearly not be able to equal Ben's good degree in a solid academic subject from St Andrew's ... it is rather ludicrous to perpetuate this myth that Mario is 'more intellectual' than Ben ... anyone who listened to any of their exchanges in the house is well aware that this is a complete falsehood ... I think it is time to establish that Ben is both more successful in his educational history AND in the way he handles 'real life' and the demands of the media ... to infer that the situation is other than this is patently absurd ... his verbal dexterity, wit and brilliance is no small component in the patchwork of qualities that makes Ben's fans so devoted ... most of us do rather enjoy bright and entertaining people when we see them ... and maybe we would like to see more characters like Ben ... we can't let Stephen Fry corner the market in benevolent and witty eccentricity! :spin:

[Pyramid*]

Might I just agree here with the fact that the Mensa connection is a total red herring?

I have taught at one of our most established and sought after universities and Mario is clearly NOT someone who has the intellect (or grasp of the subtleties of English) to gain a place in a similar institution and would clearly not be able to equal Ben's good degree in a solid academic subject from St Andrew's ... it is rather ludicrous to perpetuate this myth that Mario is 'more intellectual' than Ben ... anyone who listened to any of their exchanges in the house is well aware that this is a complete falsehood ... I think it is time to establish that Ben is both more successful in his educational history AND in the way he handles 'real life' and the demands of the media ... to infer that the situation is other than this is patently absurd ... his verbal dexterity, wit and brilliance is no small component in the patchwork of qualities that makes Ben's fans so devoted ... most of us do rather enjoy bright and entertaining people when we see them ... and maybe we would like to see more characters like Ben ... we can't let Stephen Fry corner the market in benevolent and witty eccentricity! :spin:


I personally am no fan of S. Fry. Arrogant, pompus ignoramous of a man - and I find him not so witty.

Mensa membership really is a testament to academia only. It means sweet FA in the real world that we all live in. I agree with you UV that to perpetuate that being a Mensa member is anything upon which to compare people, it's a very blinded perception.

One can be highly intellegent on the academic scale but be the most loathsome person, with questionable morals, low standards and utterly lacking in the necessary skills to get on in life, socially, emotionally and psychologically. I feel Mario to be one of these, and in direct comparison - the polar opposite to Ben - which for all the reasons you have given about Ben's character - explains very clearly why Ben is finding far more popularity and is finding he his in demand more than Mario.

:blush:

[Suze]

I don't begrudge any of the ex housemates success in media jobs if they can manage it. But the difference between Ben and Mario is that Ben was already doing media work before BB, and hopefully achieved a boost in that now :) Although he himself stressed concerns that BB might hinder rather than help in that area. So I can understand why Ben is more sought after than a few of the ex BB 11 housemates as he has the charm and ability for media work, especially radio, he has the charm and voice and the abilities needed for a radio show and he loves his music :)

Mario on the other hand was jobless before BB wasn't he? Has no real media skills to build on, but seems to expect everything to fall in his lap anyway.

As much as I dislike Mario's personality, good on him if he can achieve his dreams or some of them, and if he lightened up on his asttitude, acknowledged his own faults and took faults in others for what they are, he is likely to endear himself to others more, especially in the media world, which should go a fair way to helping any career opportunities that come his way. Because at the moment he doesn't seem to be doing much apart from tweeting and posting some nastiness at others and not expecting retorts and even encouraging moleholers to follow his suit.

[Ultra Violet]

I personally am no fan of S. Fry. Arrogant, pompus ignoramous of a man - and I find him not so witty.

Mensa membership really is a testament to academia only. It means sweet FA in the real world that we all live in. I agree with you UV that to perpetuate that being a Mensa member is anything upon which to compare people, it's a very blinded perception.

One can be highly intellegent on the academic scale but be the most loathsome person, with questionable morals, low standards and utterly lacking in the necessary skills to get on in life, socially, emotionally and psychologically. I feel Mario to be one of these, and in direct comparison - the polar opposite to Ben - which for all the reasons you have given about Ben's character - explains very clearly why Ben is finding far more popularity and is finding he his in demand more than Mario.

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Yes ... a lot of people have gone off Stephen Fry ... especially recently ...

My point again is that Mensa has NOTHING to do with academic intelligence which normally relates to an understanding of ideas (rather than tricks and puzzles) and the verbal facility with which to argue them ... a Mensa test consists of mental challenges which quite young children with a particular mindset can often perform fairly well ... it measures nothing other than whether the candidate has this particular mindset ... the value of these tests has long been discredited and has absolutely no relation to anything which can be described as 'academia' ... they are simply an irrelevancy ... they measure nothing other than whether the candidate is any good at a particular sort of test ... in the academic world it is the ability to communicate and convince with ones argument that matters ... and those that get exceptional degrees often argue along very original lines and have the intellect to back this up with reasoned analysis ... Ben and Mario ... now which one came up with the REALLY original ideas ... (and I am NOT talking about extra terrestrial activity in this instance ... ) :thumbs:

[Pyramid*]

I don't begrudge any of the ex housemates success in media jobs if they can manage it. But the difference between Ben and Mario is that Ben was already doing media work before BB, and hopefully achieved a boost in that now :) Although he himself stressed concerns that BB might hinder rather than help in that area. So I can understand why Ben is more sought after than a few of the ex BB 11 housemates as he has the charm and ability for media work, especially radio, he has the charm and voice and the abilities needed for a radio show and he loves his music :)

Mario on the other hand was jobless before BB wasn't he? Has no real media skills to build on, but seems to expect everything to fall in his lap anyway.

As much as I dislike Mario's personality, good on him if he can achieve his dreams or some of them, and if he lightened up on his asttitude, acknowledged his own faults and took faults in others for what they are, he is likely to endear himself to others more, especially in the media world, which should go a fair way to helping any career opportunities that come his way. Because at the moment he doesn't seem to be doing much apart from tweeting and posting some nastiness at others and not expecting retorts and even encouraging moleholers to follow his suit.

Correct, Ben was and being in BB, and the manner in which he has conducted himself since the show, will stand him in good stead for futhering his career. Something that Mario appears to be floundering with - in getting a career to start off with. The manner in which Mario is now conducting himself bodes not well - on many levels.

[Truth Teller]

Unsurprisingly, I do agree with you and I saw exactly the same traits in Mario as you have explained above.

it did very much appear that Mario was, on the surface, a wonderful friend, there for a shoulder to cry on when necessary - for Ben and others. But it appears to me,that this is Mario's way of trying to forge a bond with the said person: in an attempt to lull them into a false sense of security - with Mario's ultimate goal being to befriend them, to then try to seduce them. When the person - Ben in this case - realised that, when it was clear why Mario appeared to be a friend, for all the wrong reasons - Ben distanced himself. In my view: quite correctly too.

Mario has clearly had less favour and less support since BB ended. That is very obvious.

it is also obvious that Mario puts himself on a pedastal -as shown on BB when he was nominated for eviction - and in his actions and words during his temper tantrum that, 'he deserved to be there more than anyone else' (How he figured that one out, christ knows!).

Ben has not had to resort to joining twitter in an effort to build up a fan base. Indeed, to the contrary, that goes against he grain with Ben. He doesn't have to resort to self publicity - Ben merely being Ben is enough to garner support.

That I think is one of the more crucial reasons that Mario is jealous. Ben actually is carrying on with his life as it was before BB. Opportunities are coming his way naturally, given his talents, and those opportunites are happening, without Ben having to spend hours and hours online promoting himself.

I can understand Mario's envy but he must also appreciate that he and Ben are at totally opposite ends of the spectrum. That alone will dictate much to who will be more favourable - not only to fans, but in the media word, and for being in demand with various meda sources.

Much relies on how one conducts themselves. In this sense, Ben has conducted himself with dignity and aplomb since leaving the BB house. The same cannot be said for Mario,. this being the same person who tried to promote a 'supposed' Charity donations, when in fact, it was for nothing more than 'fans' to donat to him, to allow him to buy a £7k+ mechanical parrot, with a tiny amount going to charity. That shows the depths to which Mario has to lower himself, to gain some form of publicity. Unfortunately, bad publicity is exactly that - are those who are savvy in the media world - will not welcome Mario. That's the reality of the situation.

Agree. Ben has also never been rude about other BB housemates supporters or encouraged them to freely attack other fans. He has held up his dignity both in and out of the house.

Thnak you Pyramid,and also it will be no surprise to anyone to find I agree with your comments too.

What is gratifying, likely for both of us and also the many other Ben fans is that we state only facts,there is not a single statement of invention in what we have said.

That is the major difference between Ben supporters and Mario's.Oh and indeed between Ben and Mario themselves too.

I agree. The great thing about debating is actually sticking to facts to demonstrate your view - mario making personal insults to thousands of of BB housemates supporters without facts and encouraging this behaviour of others sums up his behaviour in the house too. When Ben tried to discuss issues with him he would insult or ignore him rather than have a rational conversation based on facts.

I don't begrudge any of the ex housemates success in media jobs if they can manage it. But the difference between Ben and Mario is that Ben was already doing media work before BB, and hopefully achieved a boost in that now :) Although he himself stressed concerns that BB might hinder rather than help in that area. So I can understand why Ben is more sought after than a few of the ex BB 11 housemates as he has the charm and ability for media work, especially radio, he has the charm and voice and the abilities needed for a radio show and he loves his music :)

Mario on the other hand was jobless before BB wasn't he? Has no real media skills to build on, but seems to expect everything to fall in his lap anyway.

As much as I dislike Mario's personality, good on him if he can achieve his dreams or some of them, and if he lightened up on his asttitude, acknowledged his own faults and took faults in others for what they are, he is likely to endear himself to others more, especially in the media world, which should go a fair way to helping any career opportunities that come his way. Because at the moment he doesn't seem to be doing much apart from tweeting and posting some nastiness at others and not expecting retorts and even encouraging moleholers to follow his suit.

I agree:hugesmile:. I think all BB housemates should take advantage of their time in the house and wouldn't begrudge anyone success. However, you are dealing with the public and how you conduct yourself will have an impact.

[lauraC]

The thread asks, is Mario jealous of Ben? It is clear he is because he is so bitter about someone he once claimed to be near besotted with, he showed he was a totally false person by the way he turned on BEN once he finally realised that Ben had not the slightest physical interest in him.

It will infuriate Mario that BEN remains so popular, all Mario did was lust after Ben making all sorts of innuendo's,then he did the same with Andrew.
Mario was like a leech,he liked BEN in bother in the house because he could be the shoulder for BEN to lean on,thereby getting physically close to him.

If anyone is obsessed with sexualities then it is Mario himself,he has shown how rotten he is by his vicious and bitter put downs of BEN, so of course he is jealous of BEN.

It is a fact that Mario is untrustworthty in friendship unless you do 'all' he wants you to.
Because of his nastiness to BEN it is natural those who came to like BEN and care about him will race in and defend him. The fact Mario supporters get so worked up is because they have no argument to make, they are defending the indefensible.So in the end they attack the BEN supporters for defending BEN.

Defending BEN however,is easy to do since he kept his dignity and integrity intact all through the time in the house and since leaving it too. He would not lower himself to make the bitter twisted comments Mario is now making about him.

How amazing then that Mario fans cannot see that virtue in BEN but can try to invent any kind of virtue in Mario.

well unsurprisingly I couldn't disagree more.
Mario liked Ben, he saw him as a polite soft spoken person who didn't argue, he didn't see the bitchy nasty side of Ben until after he had left the house, he could only see the full extent of his bitchiness after he had left the show so that's why before he left he still thought kindly of Ben, only after did he realise what a mistake he had make in assuming Ben was a kind person.
Everyone of you would be hurt if you discovered someone you thought of as a friend was slagging you off behind your back, Mario's reaction to Ben after finding out about him was to distance himself from Ben refuse to comment about him and no longer wish to be his friend, all understandable reactions.

[lauraC]

Unsurprisingly, I do agree with you and I saw exactly the same traits in Mario as you have explained above.

it did very much appear that Mario was, on the surface, a wonderful friend, there for a shoulder to cry on when necessary - for Ben and others. But it appears to me,that this is Mario's way of trying to forge a bond with the said person: in an attempt to lull them into a false sense of security - with Mario's ultimate goal being to befriend them, to then try to seduce them. When the person - Ben in this case - realised that, when it was clear why Mario appeared to be a friend, for all the wrong reasons - Ben distanced himself. In my view: quite correctly too.

Mario has clearly had less favour and less support since BB ended. That is very obvious.

it is also obvious that Mario puts himself on a pedastal -as shown on BB when he was nominated for eviction - and in his actions and words during his temper tantrum that, 'he deserved to be there more than anyone else' (How he figured that one out, christ knows!).

Ben has not had to resort to joining twitter in an effort to build up a fan base. Indeed, to the contrary, that goes against he grain with Ben. He doesn't have to resort to self publicity - Ben merely being Ben is enough to garner support.

That I think is one of the more crucial reasons that Mario is jealous. Ben actually is carrying on with his life as it was before BB. Opportunities are coming his way naturally, given his talents, and those opportunites are happening, without Ben having to spend hours and hours online promoting himself.

I can understand Mario's envy but he must also appreciate that he and Ben are at totally opposite ends of the spectrum. That alone will dictate much to who will be more favourable - not only to fans, but in the media word, and for being in demand with various meda sources.

Much relies on how one conducts themselves. In this sense, Ben has conducted himself with dignity and aplomb since leaving the BB house. The same cannot be said for Mario,. this being the same person who tried to promote a 'supposed' Charity donations, when in fact, it was for nothing more than 'fans' to donat to him, to allow him to buy a £7k+ mechanical parrot, with a tiny amount going to charity. That shows the depths to which Mario has to lower himself, to gain some form of publicity. Unfortunately, bad publicity is exactly that - are those who are savvy in the media world - will not welcome Mario. That's the reality of the situation.

Mario was a shoulder to cry on for many in the house literally are you suggesting he wanted to get into Dave, Sunshine's and corins pants too?
Mario is a sweet person, he is often comforting strangers on twitter , fans who have had a bereavement, or a fight with a loved one he always takes time out to give a few words of comfort and support because that's the person he is.

[lauraC]

Agree. Ben has also never been rude about other BB housemates supporters or encouraged them to freely attack other fans. He has held up his dignity both in and out of the house.





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neither has mario

[Pyramid*]

well unsurprisingly I couldn't disagree more.
Mario liked Ben, he saw him as a polite soft spoken person who didn't argue, he didn't see the bitchy nasty side of ben until after he had left the house, he could only see the full extent of his bitchyness after he had left the show so that's why before he left he still thought kindly of ben, only after did he realise what a mistake he had make in assuming ben was a kind person.
Everyone of you would be hurt if you discovered someone you thought of as a friend was slagging you off behind your back, mario's reaction to ben after finding out about him was to distance himself from ben refuse to comment about him and no longer wish to be his friend, all understandable reactions.

Have you considered the point I have highlighted to be pertinant...that THAT is exactly why Mario liked Ben......ie: that therefore Mario would be the stronger person if he befriended someone who did not argue, and that Mario would feel 'in control' over the other person.

Mario did not like it when Ben found his voice. And a voice that said Mario was not what he appeared initially to be. Funnily enough: he did exactly the same with young Andrew - Mario almost jumped on top of him when Andrew entered the house.

As for 'friends slagging off each other'.

They were not friends, not in the traditional sense, and never would be.

They were housemates, thrown together in a false environment, thus housemates forged alliances, they didn't forge lifetime friendships.

That was and is Mario's mistake. He appeared and still appears to think that a forged alliance in a very false and temporary environment equates to long lasting eternal friendship after everyone returned to reality again.

To be perfectly honest, I think there is part of my that pities Mario, if he should need to rely on buiding friends in a very false environment. Isn't he able to build friends, and enough friends in real life - that he has to be so wrapped up in an 'acquanitance made through necessity on a tv reality show'. ??

[lauraC]

Have you considered the point I have highlighted to be pertinant...that THAT is exactly why Mario liked Ben......ie: that therefore Mario would be the stronger person if he befriended someone who did not argue, and that Mario would feel 'in control' over the other person.

Mario did not like it when Ben found his voice. And a voice that said Mario was not what he appeared initially to be. Funnily enough: he did exactly the same with young Andrew - Mario almost jumped on top of him when Andrew entered the house.

As for 'friends slagging off each other'.

They were not friends, not in the traditional sense, and never would be.

They were housemates, thrown together in a false environment, thus housemates forged alliances, they didn't forge lifetime friendships.

That was and is Mario's mistake. He appeared and still appears to think that a forged alliance in a very false and temporary environment equates to long lasting eternal friendship after everyone returned to reality again.

To be perfectly honest, I think there is part of my that pities Mario, if he should need to rely on buiding friends in a very false environment. Isn't he able to build friends, and enough friends in real life - that he has to be so wrapped up in an 'acquanitance made through necessity on a tv reality show'. ??

I think Mario thought he found a kindred spirit, mario also doesn't argue, he never raised his voice in the house at another person.
How wrong he was though.
You pity Mario for respecting people? I pity Ben for having no respect for people who love and care for him

[Truth Teller]

well unsurprisingly I couldn't disagree more.
Mario liked Ben, he saw him as a polite soft spoken person who didn't argue, he didn't see the bitchy nasty side of ben until after he had left the house, he could only see the full extent of his bitchyness after he had left the show so that's why before he left he still thought kindly of ben, only after did he realise what a mistake he had make in assuming ben was a kind person.
Everyone of you would be hurt if you discovered someone you thought of as a friend was slagging you off behind your back, mario's reaction to ben after finding out about him was to distance himself from ben refuse to comment about him and no longer wish to be his friend, all understandable reactions.

If that is how Mario feels outside the house that is his perogative. However, the BB house is an artificial environment and Ben had his reasons/was provoked for how he felt in the house and you don't nominate your friends. When Ben tried many many times to discuss with mario in BB he would get the silent treatment or rude remarks. When Ben left he forgave Mario for all the things he did to him/said to him and on re-entering apologised to mario for things he had said in the house. Since BB finished, Ben has never said anything about Mario outside that was unkind, nasty or rude - he has been nothing but pleasant.

For Mario to hold a grudge about things said in an arificial environment says it all. Other housemates were far far more unplesant and unkind to Mario in the house - yet they are forgiven? - only Ben is singled out for unforgiveness. This bodes the question why? I feel there is more to it than what you have said or meets the eye and Mario is possibly being untruthful as to why Ben has been singled out by him - that is what I think needs answering......

[Pyramid*]

Mario was a shoulder to cry on for many in the house literally are you suggesting he wanted to get into Dave, Sunshine's and corins pants too?
Mario is a sweet person, he is often comforting strangers on twitter , fans who have had a bereavement, or a fight with a loved one he always takes time out to give a few words of comfort and support because that's the person he is.

Well he certainly tried to get into Ben's pants. And young Andrews. Mario was positively leering at young Andrew and couldn't get 'at him' quick enough the second Andrew entered the house. He then spent quite some time oogling and leering young Andrew - to the point that Mario sat back in a chair, enjoying watching every second of andrew disrobing in the garden (upon Mario's command to wring out the washing in his underwear).

I am quite sure Mario has shown decency and compassion to some. I have never denied he may have that ability. He also has brought about much of his own critisism - to the point that he hijacked Andrew's twitter account, posted very unsuitable comments on it - to the point that Andrew's mother had to publically intervene and reprimand Mario. As I recall, mario then actully had a few nasty comments for Andrew's mother - which were later deleted.

[lauraC]

If that is how Mario feels outside the house that is his perogative. However, the BB house is an artificial environment and Ben had his reasons/was provoked for how he felt in the house and you don't nominate your friends. When Ben tried many many times to discuss with mario in BB he would get the silent treatment or rude remarks. When Ben left he forgave Mario for all the things he did to him/said to him and on re-entering apologised to mario for things he had said in the house. Since BB finished, Ben has never said anything about Mario outside that was unkind, nasty or rude - he has been nothing but pleasant.

For Mario to hold a grudge about things said in an arificial environment says it all. Other housemates were far far more unplesant and unkind to Mario in the house - yet they are forgiven? - only Ben is singled out for unforgiveness. This bodes the question why? I feel there is more to it than what you have said or meets the eye and Mario is possibly being untruthful as to why Ben has been singled out by him - that is what I think needs answering......

Maro said ben has bitched about him out the house too, obviously we are not privvy to what extent to who and how bad this bitching was, if it was anything like he did in the house though, relentless and personal then we can't really blame mario for backing off can we?

[lauraC]

Well he certainly tried to get into Ben's pants. And young Andrews. Mario was positively leering at young Andrew and couldn't get 'at him' quick enough the second Andrew entered the house. He then spent quite some time oogling and leering young Andrew - to the point that Mario sat back in a chair, enjoying watching every second of andrew disrobing in the garden (upon Mario's command to wring out the washing in his underwear).

I am quite sure Mario has shown decency and compassion to some. I have never denied he may have that ability. He also has brought about much of his own critisism - to the point that he hijacked Andrew's twitter account, posted very unsuitable comments on it - to the point that Andrew's mother had to publically intervene and reprimand Mario. As I recall, mario then actully had a few nasty comments for Andrew's mother - which were later deleted.

Mario never tried to get into Andrews pants, he thought it was funny once when someone suggested he might like himin that way and quickly denied it and said he was like a brother to him.
Also Mario is a good looking man, Andrew is sweet but come on!

[Pyramid*]

I think Mario thought he found a kindred spirit, mario also doesn't argue, he never raised his voice in the house at another person.
How wrong he was though.
You pity Mario for respecting people? I pity Ben for having no respect for people who love and care for him

Mario didn't raise his voice at another person. so the night he sat upright in bed after being nominated - his ranting and raving about "I deserve to be here more than any of you, I've worked harder to get my place"... who exactly was he ranting at then????? Bearing in mind .... the nominations come from housemates. Who precisely was he talking to - who exactly was he referring to when he said these words? Oh... the housemates.. ie: other people.

you pity Ben for having no respect for people who love and care for him? If this you mean Mario.... If I was Ben, I wouldn't give a toss about Mario other.

Stalkers love and care for the object of their desire. Do you respect stalkers also then? Genuine question.

[lauraC]

Mario didn't raise his voice at another person. so the night he sat upright in bed after being nominated - his ranting and raving about "I deserve to be here more than any of you, I've worked harder to get my place"... who exactly was he ranting at then????? Bearing in mind .... the nominations come from housemates. Who precisely was he talking to - who exactly was he referring to when he said these words? Oh... the housemates.. ie: other people.

you pity Ben for having no respect for people who love and care for him? If this you mean Mario.... If I was Ben, I wouldn't give a toss about Mario other.

Stalkers love and care for the object of their desire. Do you respect stalkers also then? Genuine question.
you tell me?
That was directed at who specifically?

[Pyramid*]

Maro said ben has bitched about him out the house too, obviously we are not privvy to what extent to who and how bad this bitching was, if it was anything like he did in the house though, relentless and personal then we can't really blame mario for backing off can we?

So. Most people bitch. You are doing it now, so am I. It's part of life. It is how one deals with it that matters. It seems that Mario is not emotionally mature enough to realise that.

[lauraC]

So. Most people bitch. You are doing it now, so am I. It's part of life. It is how one deals with it that matters. It seems that Mario is not emotionally mature enough to realise that.

I don't bitch about my friends and if i discovered anyone bitching about me i's tell them to F.Off, as most people would do

[Pyramid*]

you tell me?
That was directed at who specifically?

I aske you the question - you stated that Mario never raised his voice to any people.

I proved you wrong. You know I am right.

so I will ask you again. when mario was having his rant at being nominated and saying he deserved his place in the house, more than 'any of you'... I ask you... WHO WAS HE RANTING AT.

Obviously the answer is : he was ranting at other people... the housemates. So your claim that he is this mild mannered wee soul, simply won't wash.

[lauraC]

I aske you the question - you stated that Mario never raised his voice to any people.

I proved you wrong. You know I am right.

so I will ask you again. when mario was having his rant at being nominated and saying he deserved his place in the house, more than 'any of you'... I ask you... WHO WAS HE RANTING AT.

Obviously the answer is : he was ranting at other people... the housemates. So your claim that he is this mild mannered wee soul, simply won't wash.

ok i'll answer the question, it was directed at no one it was just a rant

[Pyramid*]

I don't bitch about my friends and if i discovered anyone bitching about me i's tell them to F.Off, as most people would do

Lovely.:rolleyes:

That's the difference though. no one would have to resort to doing that with friends.

Mario and Ben were not friends in the traditional sense. A false enviroment, forged allegiances for the sake of a game show, does not forever friends make. That is the very big difference and one that Mario simply cannot comprehend. It's quite simplistic - and given Mario's supposely intellectual status as mentioned by you in the past - Id have thought it was a very easy thing for Mario to understand.

[Pyramid*]

ok i'll answer the question, it was directed at no one it was just a rant

so Mario has random rants, in a bedroom full of people, ranting about being nominated by the very same people who are in that same room who nominated him (the very subject of his rant) .... but wasn't actually meaning those people, he wasn't directing his shouting and ranting at them!!


ooookkkkkaaaaayyyyyy !!:laugh::laugh::laugh2:

On the aside: how do you know this for actual FACT. How do you KNOW he was directing this rant at no one in partcular, just randomly ranting. Please explain how you know this with absolute certainty?

[Truth Teller]

neither has mario

I have to say I disagree totally on this. The proe and facts are there both on another forum and twitter. You may be unaware of it but Mario has done this to non Mario fans.

I think Mario thought he found a kindred spirit, mario also doesn't argue, he never raised his voice in the house at another person.
How wrong he was though.
You pity Mario for respecting people? I pity Ben for having no respect for people who love and care for him

Ben never raised his voice in the house either and thought Mario was his friend until mario turned on him in BB for not reciprocating his advances - it is there to see in the HL show and LF. This was the turning point. Ben does respect people and cares for his friends. Not one single person outside the BB house who knows Ben has a bad word to say about him and all his friends love him. I am glad Mario has good friends too.

Well he certainly tried to get into Ben's pants. And young Andrews. Mario was positively leering at young Andrew and couldn't get 'at him' quick enough the second Andrew entered the house. He then spent quite some time oogling and leering young Andrew - to the point that Mario sat back in a chair, enjoying watching every second of andrew disrobing in the garden (upon Mario's command to wring out the washing in his underwear).

I am quite sure Mario has shown decency and compassion to some. I have never denied he may have that ability. He also has brought about much of his own critisism - to the point that he hijacked Andrew's twitter account, posted very unsuitable comments on it - to the point that Andrew's mother had to publically intervene and reprimand Mario. As I recall, mario then actully had a few nasty comments for Andrew's mother - which were later deleted.

I'm not on twitter so don't know anything about this - again this highlights mario's behaviour since leaving BB and how he has attacked invividuals personally.

Maro said ben has bitched about him out the house too, obviously we are not privvy to what extent to who and how bad this bitching was, if it was anything like he did in the house though, relentless and personal then we can't really blame mario for backing off can we?

Chinese whispers are never good for anyone. When Ben first left the house he was shocked and hurt when Davina showed him the mario nominated him. Just before the save and replace Mario had badgered Ben not to put him up if he won - Ben did not know he had nominated him at this time - Ben was quite upset about mario's two faced behaviour on leaving. He did spout some views at that time and after that said he forgave Mario and that was that. Considering Ben hardly talks to any ex housemates - I am surprised that Mario would allow this impression without back-up. Ben has moved on and as I say maybe Mario shoud do to. Unforgiveness causes bitterness and can eat away at someone. I would suggest that it may have been better for Mario to have asked Ben if what was said was true rather than believing tittle tattle and chinese whispers.

[Pyramid*]

I have to say I disagree totally on this. The proe and facts are there both on another forum and twitter. You may be unaware of it but Mario has done this to non Mario fans.

I'm not on twitter so don't know anything about this - again this highlights mario's behaviour since leaving BB and how he has attacked invividuals personally.



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Neither am I on twitter but given that Mario's twitter account is public and not protected - all of his comments are there for all to see. Including the unbelievable con / scam of him wanting fans to donate money to him so he could buy a 'Davina McCaw' mechanical parrot at the cost of many thousands of pounds - on the pretext of it raising money for charity - this was up, running and onlin before there was such an outcry at how disgraceful it was, that he took it off.

[Truth Teller]

I don't bitch about my friends and if i discovered anyone bitching about me i's tell them to F.Off, as most people would do

They really weren't friends once Ben spurned Mario's advances. That was the turning point in their whole relationship. The BB house is artificial; maybe only one or two will be friends 5 years from now.

Lovely.:rolleyes:

That's the difference though. no one would have to resort to doing that with friends.

Mario and Ben were not friends in the traditional sense. A false enviroment, forged allegiances for the sake of a game show, does not forever friends make. That is the very big difference and one that Mario simply cannot comprehend. It's quite simplistic - and given Mario's supposely intellectual status as mentioned by you in the past - Id have thought it was a very easy thing for Mario to understand.

Agree it is artificial and when you look at Govan and Shabby and how they have got friendly with people they disliked in the house, were very nasty to and haven't carried what happened in the house outside it shows their maturity and understanding - that its only a gameshow and sadly mario hasn't moved on from this.

[lauraC]

Lovely.:rolleyes:

That's the difference though. no one would have to resort to doing that with friends.

Mario and Ben were not friends in the traditional sense. A false enviroment, forged allegiances for the sake of a game show, does not forever friends make. That is the very big difference and one that Mario simply cannot comprehend. It's quite simplistic - and given Mario's supposely intellectual status as mentioned by you in the past - Id have thought it was a very easy thing for Mario to understand.

they are not friends they don't like each other that's fine, I think ben's fans are doing him a massive diservice by bullying mario over the fact that he doesn't want to be friends with someone like ben

[lauraC]

I have to say I disagree totally on this. The proe and facts are there both on another forum and twitter. You may be unaware of it but Mario has done this to non Mario fans.






talk about chinese whispers, mario only said the ben fans attacking him are idiots not all ben fans. There is only a handfull of you that are abusive about him and towards him

[Pyramid*]

Now ... on the subject of Mario and his loyalty to his 'friend in the BB house'... someone please remind me here.

Which person was it that Mario decided to select during the save and replace task........ I know the answer, just wondering who else recalls how much of a loyal friend Mario thinks he is.!!!! Seems that Mario, apart from being disloyal to his 'friends', also might suffer a little bit of amnesia. :joker:

And he has the cheek to moan about being 'backstabbed' when this is the man who does exactly what he bemoans others of doing. The man is a walking contradiction of terms,he really is.

[Pyramid*]

talk about chinese whispers, mario only said the ben fans attacking him are idiots not all ben fans. There is only a handfull of you that are abusive about him and towards him

I'll ask you to retract your accusation and allegation Laura C. Once again, you are deliberately making comments of an inflammatory nature towards members of this forum by the use of your wording here.

[lauraC]

Now ... on the subject of Mario and his loyalty to his 'friend in the BB house'... someone please remind me here.

Which person was it that Mario decided to select during the save and replace task........ I know the answer, just wondering who else recalls how much of a loyal friend Mario thinks he is.!!!! Seems that Mario, apart from being disloyal to his 'friends', also might suffer a little bit of amnesia. :joker:

And he has the cheek to moan about being 'backstabbed' when this is the man who does exactly what he bemoans others of doing. The man is a walking contradiction of terms,he really is.

Sam, he also told him the reasons why he did it and sam accepted the reasons, last one in and all that

[lauraC]

I'll ask you to retract your accusation and allegaton Laura C.

no why? it's true

[Pyramid*]

they are not friends they don't like each other that's fine, I think ben's fans are doing him a massive diservice by bullying mario over the fact that he doesn't want to be friends with someone like ben

Having an opinion does not mean bullying. It means having an opinion. :spin::spin::spin:

[lauraC]

Having an opinion does not mean bullying. It means having an opinion. :spin::spin::spin:

the names he is called for not being bens friend are nasty pathetic and idiotic, childish in the extreme, imagine if we were told who we had to be friends with and abused if we didn't

[Truth Teller]

they are not friends they don't like each other that's fine, I think ben's fans are doing him a massive diservice by bullying mario over the fact that he doesn't want to be friends with someone like ben

LauraC, I have never bullied Mario over the fact that Ben and him aren't friends -to be brutally honest I couldn't give two figs.

I think what upsets non-Mario fans whether they support Ben or others is that we all get lumped into a category and tarred with the same brush. I am an individual and have my own opinion - Mario is a 30 year old man who knows better. If one or two non-mario fans are unkind to him, I don't condone it. The word bully is being used wrongly here and shouldn't be used as it upsets people.

As I and several other posters have said Ben and Mario aren't and weren't friends - end of - that is just a fact. Why is this a diservice to Ben? Ben is an individual who can look after himself. What someone says on an internet forum is their opinion about a tv show and behaviour after.

[Pyramid*]

no why? it's true

What you appear not to be able to differentiate is the difference in people having the right to offer their views and opinion, and instead, it appears you are unable to discuss housemates without trying to insult and belittle forum members on a person level. If this is how you wish to continue - fee free. I won't bother with you and will simply ignore anything you have to say if you seem hell bent on insulting members of this forum - of which I am one.

I'm happy either way. I'm happy enough discussing the actual housemates. I don't need to slag off fms.

[Vicky.]

Can we get this back on topic, and stop insulting each other.

It is possible to debate without resorting to insults and accusations.

[Pyramid*]

the names he is called for not being bens friend are nasty pathetic and idiotic, childish in the extreme, imagine if we were told who we had to be friends with and abused if we didn't

I am not his friend. (sometimes I am thankful for small mercies).

I throughly dislike Mario. I have a thousand reason why. I'm more than happy to continue listing them. This is a forum to discuss our views on housemates.

I feel you should note one thing. Mario is not Ben's friend - for one reason - Ben made that choice - not Mario.

Ben wants nothing to do with Mario. Mario needs to accept that.

As for Mario himself, I find him to be childish in the extreme. Highly immature. Given the slight age differences between Mario and Ben, it is very clear who more emotionally developed, and who is the more rounded, well balanced person. That's my opinion, that's not abuse.

[lauraC]

LauraC, I have never bullied Mario over the fact that Ben and him aren't friends -to be brutally honest I could give two figs.

I think what upsets non-Mario fans whether they support Ben or others is that we all get lumped into a category and tarred with the same brush. I am an individual and have my own opinion - Mario is a 30 year old man who knows better. If one or two non-mario fans are unkind to him, I don't condone it. The word bully is being used wrongly here and shouldn't be used as it upsets people.

As I and several other posters have said Ben and Mario aren't and weren't friends - end of - that is just a fact. Why is this a diservice to Ben? Ben is an individual who can look after himself. What someone says on an internet forum is their opinion about a tv show and behaviour after.

But you all jumped on mario because he said that the ben fans who were abusing him are idiots, you all took that personally therefore you are the ones who are grouping yourselves together and flying under the same flag.
I think you are doing ben a disservice because Ben didn't like mario he bitched about him that's fine, he has to live with the consequences of that and he is, that's the loss of mario's friendship, that's between the two of them but when you see mario abused on forums and done under ben's name people remember the bad things about ben and not the good.
Every time I see another thread like this one, Is mario jealous of ben? I just remember all the horrible things ben has said and done. You are not giving people the chance to forget

[Pyramid*]

Can we get this back on topic, and stop insulting each other.

It is possible to debate without resorting to insults and accusations.

Agreed.

[Benjamin]

I can't stand either Ben or Mario :bored:

[lauraC]

I am not his friend. (sometimes I am thankful for small mercies).

I throughly dislike Mario. I have a thousand reason why. I'm more than happy to continue listing them. This is a forum to discuss our views on housemates.

I feel you should note one thing. Mario is not Ben's friend - for one reason - Ben made that choice - not Mario.
Ben wants nothing to do with Mario. Mario needs to accept that.

As for Mario himself, I find him to be childish in the extreme. Highly immature. Given the slight age differences between Mario and Ben, it is very clear who more emotionally developed, and who is the more rounded, well balanced person. That's my opinion, that's not abuse.

Exactly! now you are getting it, he made the choice in the house when he bitched behind his back, so why do people choose to persecute mario for it?

[pices]

I think Mario thought he found a kindred spirit, mario also doesn't argue, he never raised his voice in the house at another person.
How wrong he was though.
You pity Mario for respecting people? I pity Ben for having no respect for people who love and care for him

I think you should save your Ben pity, its not needed, Ben has full respect for people who love and care for him, he loves and cares for them in return, or have you never listened to what one of his much loved friends has to say about him.A friend who is privvy to his life and shares the warmth and love and respect of Ben.
You are mistaking alliances within the house for that of friendship, I remember Ben quite openly stating on many occasions that he did not view the housemates as friends in the true sense of the word, indeed he said he could not forsee anything other than aqquaintance with them, only later on did he say that he thought he might stay in touch with Dave and Corin.

Ben is a people watcher, he picks up on the traits and charachteristics of those around him and brings it out in humour, its an observation and analysis and Mario was not the only one to be spoken of in that way, Its funny and the other housemates thought so too.If you watch The JJJ interview with Sam Dean you will even hear JJ saying that Ben was the most hilarious, funny and entertaining guy he had ever come across, and that his comments were down to the fact that Ben is just being Ben in his honesty.

Everyone who meets Ben seems to say the same thing, Bianca on Coach Trip is full of praise for him, her words, Amazing, funny, intelligent,. caring.

Now I want to ask you a question, you say that you would not be friends with someone who had bitched about you, what if you had a friend who was constantly sexually harrasing you,if all they talked about was what they wanted to do with you, and what if you tried to talk to this person about it but they would not do so but instead gave you the silent treatment, started sulking and being moody, would you accept it and carry on that friendship in the same vein, or would you talk to someone else about it, question what could be meant by their behaviour, I know what I would do.....and I certainly would not consider that person a friend.I would think them a stalker and call the police, and I would talk about them to my friends because I would need to have some sort of understanding of why they were doing it.
Lets not forget that Ben only turned on Mario because of Mario's behaviour towards him, not the other way round.
So I would like to hear your reply

[Vicky.]

I can't stand either Ben or Mario :bored:

I loved Ben in the house, seems a bit full of himself out of the house.

I didnt like or dislike Mario in the house, him and his testicle were just there and shoved in my face occasionally...and I havent heard anything about him since he left.

Though apparently a lot has been going on 0.o


Oh, and to keep on topic...I dont know if mario is jealous of ben. Though I would imagine he is if ben is getting more work/money than him out of BB.

[lauraC]

I loved Ben in the house, seems a bit full of himself out of the house.

I didnt like or dislike Mario in the house, him and his testicle were just there and shoved in my face occasionally...and I havent heard anything about him since he left.

Though apparently a lot has been going on 0.o


Oh, and to keep on topic...I dont know if mario is jealous of ben. Though I would imagine he is if ben is getting more work/money than him out of BB.

ben hasn't really done much since leaving the house

[Pyramid*]

But you all jumped on mario because he said that the ben fans who were abusing him are idiots, you all took that personally therefore you are the ones who are grouping yourselves together and flying under the same flag.
I think you are doing ben a disservice because Ben didn't like mario he bitched about him that's fine, he has to live with the consequences of that and he is, that's the loss of mario's friendship, that's between the two of them but when you see mario abused on forums and done under ben's name people remember the bad things about ben and not the good.
Every time I see another thread like this one, Is mario jealous of ben? I just remember all the horrible things ben has said and done. You are not giving people the chance to forget

I think you will find that Truth Teller was not taking anything personally but was simply reporting on what Mario himself stated about Ben fans.

In doing so, Mario therefore distanced himself even further - alienated himself further.

I really don't understand the 'doing Ben a disservice' idea comes into play. Ben doesn't use the internet much. He certainly doesn't read the forums, doesn't do twitter, is very much is own man, with his own life outwith webland (clearly he has a far more fulfilling life than any of us posting on here !! LOL )

You may indeed recall things that Ben did or said that you view or consider horrible. That is your perogative.

Just as it is my perogative to view many things that I saw and heard from Mario that I found deeply unsettling, and not to put too fine a point on it... creepy and skin crawling. Are these harsh words? Yes, they are. But that is the impression that Mario made on me. I can't change that. The only person who could have, would have been Mario.

If he had taken stock once the show was over, he could have redeemed himself, but he didn't. He continued in the same way that I saw him be in the house, immature, bitter and had himself up on some pedestal. He continues to think like this as seen by his twitterings.

[lauraC]

Now I want to ask you a question, you say that you would not be friends with someone who had bitched about you, what if you had a friend who was constantly sexually harrasing you,if all they talked about was what they wanted to do with you, and what if you tried to talk to this person about it but they would not do so but instead gave you the silent treatment, started sulking and being moody, would you accept it and carry on that friendship in the same vein, or would you talk to someone else about it, question what could be meant by their behaviour, I know what I would do.....and I certainly would not consider that person a friend.I would think them a stalker and call the police, and I would talk about them to my friends because I would need to have some sort of understanding of why they were doing it.
Lets not forget that Ben only turned on Mario because of Mario's behaviour towards him, not the other way round.
So I would like to hear your reply

If I liked the person who was coming onto me and I didn't like them back like that I'd just tell them nicely that I would like to be friends and nothing more, I wouldn't flirt with them the way ben flirted with mario, that's just giving the wrong signals.

[Pyramid*]

Exactly! now you are getting it, he made the choice in the house when he bitched behind his back, so why do people choose to persecute mario for it?

Mario is the one carrying around the bitterness because Ben rejected him (rejected him on the basis of Mario's continued sexual advances).

Ben tried to discuss the matter whilst in the house with Mario if you recall. Mario being immature Mario, wasn't interested in discussing it with Ben. It was at that juncture that Ben realised that Mario was indeed not a 'friend' .... that all Mario wanted was to get Ben in the sack.

That if you recall, is more the truth of the matter.

[Pyramid*]

ben hasn't really done much since leaving the house

Hasn't he? You don't think so? Before offering up what Ben has indeed done, let me ask you this. What work exactly has Mario done since leaving the house.

[Benjamin]

:bored:

[Pyramid*]

If I liked the person who was coming onto me and I didn't like them back like that I'd just tell them nicely that I would like to be friends and nothing more, I wouldn't flirt with them the way ben flirted with mario, that's just giving the wrong signals.

Ben made it clear he wasnt interested in any sexual advances, he made it clear that flirting was flirting. I'll put it to you this way: Mario also flirted with Corin...... should she have made it clear that she wasn't interested? Mario may have have been bisexual for all anyone knew.....

Mario continued relentlessly with Ben. To the point that he literally forced Ben to pull away from him.

Mario could be doing with some 'self awareness' lessons - he may not even be aware of how he is around males that he 'fancies'.

[Pyramid*]

:bored:

Ok. You made me laugh. :joker:

[Truth Teller]

LauraC, as Vicky has said can we stop the personal insults to forum members. I actually thought a good debating dialouge was going on and then it suddenly stopped and it became about fans or forum members:conf:

But you all jumped on mario because he said that the ben fans who were abusing him are idiots, you all took that personally therefore you are the ones who are grouping yourselves together and flying under the same flag.
I think you are doing ben a disservice because Ben didn't like mario he bitched about him that's fine, he has to live with the consequences of that and he is, that's the loss of mario's friendship, that's between the two of them but when you see mario abused on forums and done under ben's name people remember the bad things about ben and not the good.
Every time I see another thread like this one, Is mario jealous of ben? I just remember all the horrible things ben has said and done. You are not giving people the chance to forget

LauraC this is a forum to discuss BB housemates lots of us will disagree, some will agree, every forum has posters with an opinion - I have read some awful things about Ben and other housemates posted on forums but I don't go around personally attacking people. I would rather have a debate and either come to an understanding or not. All the housemates get opinions spouted on forums - it goes with the territory - no one is saying anything under Ben's name. Each forum member is giving their opinion. How you personally react to forums is your perogative but forums have their T&C's and people are free to discuss their likes/dislikes of housemates.

[Vodka Drinka]

ben hasn't really done much since leaving the house

He has done far more than Mario though ;)

[Pyramid*]

I loved Ben in the house, seems a bit full of himself out of the house.

I didnt like or dislike Mario in the house, him and his testicle were just there and shoved in my face occasionally...and I havent heard anything about him since he left.

Though apparently a lot has been going on 0.o


Oh, and to keep on topic...I dont know if mario is jealous of ben. Though I would imagine he is if ben is getting more work/money than him out of BB.

Genuine question ... when you say Ben seems a bit full of himself out of the house. From which sources are you seeing Ben being full of himself out of the house - as far as I'm aware - Ben himself is doing nothing on a personal level to promote himself - if anything, it's his 'fan base' who are doing that.

I'm honestly interested in what / where you /why you have this impression.

[lauraC]

I think you will find that Truth Teller was not taking anything personally but was simply reporting on what Mario himself stated about Ben fans.

.

about the fans who are abusive toward him

[Angus]

the names he is called for not being bens friend are nasty pathetic and idiotic, childish in the extreme, imagine if we were told who we had to be friends with and abused if we didn't

He was only "not Ben's friend" after he found out Ben didn't want anything more to do with him. Mario was sinister in his stalking of Ben in the house - he really cannot handle rejection can he? Far from most of us Ben fans wanting them to be friends, we are all extremely delighted that Ben has realised what a turd Mario is and has steered well clear.

[lauraC]

He has done far more than Mario though ;)

Mario is doing different things, ben wants to work in the media and mario in design, completely different, ben's done another reality t.v. show, he did loads of that before he went on big brother, so in effect he's just gone back to doing what he did before big brother

[lauraC]

Ben made it clear he wasnt interested in any sexual advances, he made it clear that flirting was flirting. I'll put it to you this way: Mario also flirted with Corin...... should she have made it clear that she wasn't interested? Mario may have have been bisexual for all anyone knew.....

Mario continued relentlessly with Ben. To the point that he literally forced Ben to pull away from him.

Mario could be doing with some 'self awareness' lessons - he may not even be aware of how he is around males that he 'fancies'.

ben flirted with mario

[Vicky.]

Genuine question ... when you say Ben seems a bit full of himself out of the house. From which sources are you seeing Ben being full of himself out of the house - as far as I'm aware - Ben himself is doing nothing on a personal level to promote himself - if anything, it's his 'fan base' who are doing that.

I'm honestly interested in what / where you /why you have this impression.

He just looks totally up his own ass on photos and that that I have seen. Mostly on the ones of him filming this coach trip or whatever it is. Never looks like he wants to be there, that kind of thing.

Though I dont really care anyways, once contestants leave the house, thats it for me. I don't follow them anymore. Well...I tell a lie, I followed Sam on twitter for a month or so after BB, but soon got bored of him :p

[lauraC]

He was only "not Ben's friend" after he found out Ben didn't want anything more to do with him. Mario was sinister in his stalking of Ben in the house - he really cannot handle rejection can he? Far from most of us Ben fans wanting them to be friends, we are all extremely delighted that Ben has realised what a turd Mario is and has steered well clear.

He was only "not ben's friend" when he discovered how two faced and nasty ben was about him

[lauraC]

He just looks totally up his own ass on photos and that that I have seen. Mostly on the ones of him filming this coach trip or whatever it is. Never looks like he wants to be there, that kind of thing.

Though I dont really care anyways, once contestants leave the house, thats it for me. I don't follow them anymore. Well...I tell a lie, I followed Sam on twitter for a month or so after BB, but soon got bored of him :p

In my opinion this is where I think ben's fans are doing ben a disservice, they are the ones always making comments about ben being better than the other housemates/assosiates etc, i think they are giving ben an air of snobbishness that he himself probably doesn't have

[pices]

If I liked the person who was coming onto me and I didn't like them back like that I'd just tell them nicely that I would like to be friends and nothing more, I wouldn't flirt with them the way ben flirted with mario, that's just giving the wrong signals.

And then what, if you repeatedly told them you were not interested in them physically but they still continued harassing you sexually, and if they then started to sulk and be moody because you had distanced yourself from that side of the friendship.
What if they then sought you out to sit and stare at you, not saying anything except that they had come to stare at you because 'you were a work of art'
What if you were stuck in the confines of a house and you could not get away from that sort of pervy behaviour, are you honestly telling me you would not seek out another friend and discuss.
You really do need to accept that Ben acted the way he did towards Mario because Mario brought it on himself.
And if I had ever heard even one tiny jot of acceptance of Mario's blame for this from eother Mario or his fans I would have a little respect , as it is Mario and his supporters seem unable to accept this possibility to the extreme that they blame everything on Ben, all he did was react to the situation that Mario had forced upon him.

[Pyramid*]

about the fans who are abusive toward him

LauraC. Are you ever going to come to the point that you discuss the housemates and stop discussing the fans that 'you feel are being abusive' and whom you have referred to me personally earlier on, as being one of. It really is becoming utterly tedious now.

Please don't expect me to respond to any more posts made by you - you blatantly are continuing to ignore the T&C's.

[Angus]

Genuine question ... when you say Ben seems a bit full of himself out of the house. From which sources are you seeing Ben being full of himself out of the house - as far as I'm aware - Ben himself is doing nothing on a personal level to promote himself - if anything, it's his 'fan base' who are doing that. I'm honestly interested in what / where you /why you have this impression.



Quite right - Ben fans are blowing his trumpet, not Ben. Ben is simply getting on with his life and clearly getting more offers and opportunities than the other HMs. He doesn't feel the need to broadcast his every bowel movement on twitter or facebook. Twitter is very revealing as to who are desperadoes! As for Mario, what's he got going for him off the back of BB ? (lengthy silence) - erm, no still nothing).

[Vodka Drinka]

And then what, if you repeatedly told them you were not interested in them physically but they still continued harassing you sexually, and if they then started to sulk and be moody because you had distanced yourself from that side of the friendship.
What if they then sought you out to sit and stare at you, not saying anything except that they had come to stare at you because 'you were a work of art'
What if you were stuck in the confines of a house and you could not get away from that sort of pervy behaviour, are you honestly telling me you would not seek out another friend and discuss.
You really do need to accept that Ben acted the way he did towards Mario because Mario brought it on himself.
And if I had ever heard even one tiny jot of acceptance of Mario's blame for this from eother Mario or his fans I would have a little respect , as it is Mario and his supporters seem unable to accept this possibility to the extreme that they blame everything on Ben, all he did was react to the situation that Mario had forced upon him.

I agree with you there Pices. They BOTH moaned and bitched about each other behind their backs! It annoys me that people think Ben is the guilty one when Mario was just as bad when it came to the bitching. In fact I'm pretty certain he instigated it in the beginning.

[Pyramid*]

He was only "not Ben's friend" after he found out Ben didn't want anything more to do with him. Mario was sinister in his stalking of Ben in the house - he really cannot handle rejection can he? Far from most of us Ben fans wanting them to be friends, we are all extremely delighted that Ben has realised what a turd Mario is and has steered well clear.


I feel much the same way. Mario's behaviour around Ben did border on 'concerning'. It certainty didn't appear to be normal.

I also found Mario wandering around thrusting his enlarged bollock in everyone' face, well.... apart from being the actions reminiscent of a 5 year old - it was highly inappropriate to say the least.

However, back to keeping well on topic.

I'm not altogether sure Mario's future seems as bright as Ben's. Ben is in more demand on a more celubrious scale than turning on Xmas lights.

His guest appearances on Radio are on the increase, which is great.

[Pyramid*]

He just looks totally up his own ass on photos and that that I have seen. Mostly on the ones of him filming this coach trip or whatever it is. Never looks like he wants to be there, that kind of thing.

Though I dont really care anyways, once contestants leave the house, thats it for me. I don't follow them anymore. Well...I tell a lie, I followed Sam on twitter for a month or so after BB, but soon got bored of him :p

ah right, thanks for that ! I was a bit perplexed as I was unaware of Ben actually promoting himself in the manner the Mario does, which is why I asked.

I have read a few comments about some photograph of him for the forthcoming CCT, and Ben appearing to be looking somewhat bored! Maybe he was ! :hugesmile:

Sam. Now I really liked the way he came into the house and threw the cat amongst the pigeons at times. Unfortunately: when BB ended, he began to appear 'too big for his boots' and his shine soon faded. What a shame, really. Perhaps he will 'even out' in time.

[Pyramid*]

Quite right - Ben fans are blowing his trumpet, not Ben. Ben is simply getting on with his life and clearly getting more offers and opportunities than the other HMs. He doesn't feel the need to broadcast his every bowel movement on twitter or facebook. Twitter is very revealing as to who are desperadoes! As for Mario, what's he got going for him off the back of BB ? (lengthy silence) - erm, no still nothing).

How very dare you Angus. There are Xmas lights in Southend to be switched on by Mario.

*shakes head and tuts*

:dance:

:blush:

[Vicky.]

Sam. Now I really liked the way he came into the house and threw the cat amongst the pigeons at times. Unfortunately: when BB ended, he began to appear 'too big for his boots' and his shine soon faded. What a shame, really. Perhaps he will 'even out' in time.

Definitely. The fame certainly went to his head. He was fantastic in the house, livened up an otherwise dull last few weeks. But out of the house, his head swelled ridiculously.

[Truth Teller]

about the fans who are abusive toward him

((silence)). Once again - I have never been abusive to mario. I am an individual with an opinion and don't like being lumped into a group. mario needs to deal with any individual that is abusive to him on a one to one basis. Please refrain from lumping all non mario fans in one basket.

He just looks totally up his own ass on photos and that that I have seen. Mostly on the ones of him filming this coach trip or whatever it is. Never looks like he wants to be there, that kind of thing.

Though I dont really care anyways, once contestants leave the house, thats it for me. I don't follow them anymore. Well...I tell a lie, I followed Sam on twitter for a month or so after BB, but soon got bored of him :p

hi vicky :xyxwave:, maybe the pictures arent too good but hopefully we can enjoy his humour on CCT.

I enjoyed Sam in the house when he was a maverick but seems to have gone downhill since then.....

[Pyramid*]

Definitely. The fame certainly went to his head. He was fantastic in the house, livened up an otherwise dull last few weeks. But out of the house, his head swelled ridiculously.

Sadly yes, it did bring out the worst in him. he was like a little whirlwind and brought much needed honesty in the house - there was a hilarious thread on DS quoting his best one-liners, it's was brilliant.

Anyhooo..... I'd best not steer off topic. :blush2:

I wonder if UV can update us on Ben interviewing Roy??

Yoooohooooo UV...... where are you ! We need info please ! :blush:

[Vodka Drinka]

How very dare you Angus. There are Xmas lights in Southend to be switched on by Mario.

*shakes head and tuts*

:dance:

:blush:

I suppose with there being a recession on they couldn't afford anyone else :joker:

[Pyramid*]

I suppose with there being a recession on they couldn't afford anyone else :joker:

Very good point Voddy, very good point.

Ach, at least Mario is doing something. It's nice that his tireless efforts of self promotion are .....errrhhhh... 'paying off' and bringing him in some work while he tries to get somewhere with his 'offbeat' clothing designs.

can't have him being an unemployment statistic all his days.

[Angus]

How very dare you Angus. There are Xmas lights in Southend to be switched on by Mario.

*shakes head and tuts*

:dance:

:blush:

I'm sure they'll be queuing around the block to get his autograph:rolleyes:

[Vodka Drinka]

I'm sure they'll be queuing around the block to get his autograph:rolleyes:

Don't get crushed in the stampede now:joker::joker:

[Pyramid*]

I'm sure they'll be queuing around the block to get his autograph:rolleyes:


This size (http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/03/mario_sound_blocks.jpg) or smaller???

:joker::joker:

[joeysteele]

well unsurprisingly I couldn't disagree more.
Mario liked Ben, he saw him as a polite soft spoken person who didn't argue, he didn't see the bitchy nasty side of Ben until after he had left the house, he could only see the full extent of his bitchiness after he had left the show so that's why before he left he still thought kindly of Ben, only after did he realise what a mistake he had make in assuming Ben was a kind person.
Everyone of you would be hurt if you discovered someone you thought of as a friend was slagging you off behind your back, Mario's reaction to Ben after finding out about him was to distance himself from Ben refuse to comment about him and no longer wish to be his friend, all understandable reactions.

I have to say that is pure invention, BEN said nothing about Mario that was not true,Ben only ever said anything from what he had seen, what he felt,heard or had been told, all with a firm base to what he was saying.

As for Mario 'no longer wanting to be a friend of BEN, in my view that is also wrong for the following reason, Mario was soundly rejected by Ben as to his sexual innuendo's and advances, Ben had got tired of them,he told Mario in frank terms he would be a friend but never anything more.

That, is why Mario turned on Ben, furthermore I would dare bet anything on it that were BEN now to meet up with Mario at all and give the slightest hint that he could be interested in Mario sexually then Mario would jump like crazy and be all apologetic,praising Ben from the rooftops (like when he got Ben back in the house for a few hours,wanting to be handcuffed to him).

He's a hypocrite and his hypocrisy stems from what people will 'not' give him in the physical sense, he is simply sick and far too possessive.

[babycakes]

Mario is doing different things, ben wants to work in the media and mario in design

The world holds it's breath as they await the next generation bubble wrap butterfly jacket, whilst - rightly or wrongly - RTV shows appear to be as popular as ever and Ben has a regular guest slot on a BBC radio show.

[Vodka Drinka]

The world holds it's breath as they await the next generation bubble wrap butterfly jacket, whilst - rightly or wrongly - RTV shows appear to be as popular as ever and Ben has a regular guest slot on a BBC radio show.

:joker::joker::joker::xyxwave::xyxwave:

[lauraC]

The world holds it's breath as they await the next generation bubble wrap butterfly jacket, whilst - rightly or wrongly - RTV shows appear to be as popular as ever and Ben has a regular guest slot on a BBC radio show.

being a guest on a radio show is hardly a career is it? I bet he doesn't even get paid for it

[lauraC]

I have to say that is pure invention, BEN said nothing about Mario that was not true,Ben only ever said anything from what he had seen, what he felt,heard or had been told, all with a firm base to what he was saying.

As for Mario 'no longer wanting to be a friend of BEN, in my view that is also wrong for the following reason, Mario was soundly rejected by Ben as to his sexual innuendo's and advances, Ben had got tired of them,he told Mario in frank terms he would be a friend but never anything more.

That, is why Mario turned on Ben, furthermore I would dare bet anything on it that were BEN now to meet up with Mario at all and give the slightest hint that he could be interested in Mario sexually then Mario would jump like crazy and be all apologetic,praising Ben from the rooftops (like when he got Ben back in the house for a few hours,wanting to be handcuffed to him).

He's a hypocrite and his hypocrisy stems from what people will 'not' give him in the physical sense, he is simply sick and far too possessive.

disagree with everything you said ben was not honest he was just unkind. Ben flirted with mario, he admitted flirting with mario, John James told ben he was giving mario mixed messages and he chose to ignore the advice he gave him and continue to flirt with mario.
I actually think ben did fancy mario he was just afraid of being so Out there on national t.v.

[babycakes]

being a guest on a radio show is hardly a career is it? I bet he doesn't even get paid for it

I doubt that an appearance fee, or lack of, is what would make Mario seeth with jealousy. The exposure however......that's something Mario would give his eye teeth for. IMVHO of course.

[lauraC]

I doubt that an appearance fee, or lack of, is what would make Mario seeth with jealousy. The exposure however......that's something Mario would give his eye teeth for. IMVHO of course.

I doubt he could give two craps

[Vodka Drinka]

being a guest on a radio show is hardly a career is it? I bet he doesn't even get paid for it

I don't think he wants to get paid for it, he does it because he enjoys it and likes the exposure. Maybe in the hope he will get a radio job out of it.

[Vodka Drinka]

disagree with everything you said ben was not honest he was just unkind. Ben flirted with mario, he admitted flirting with mario, John James told ben he was giving mario mixed messages and he chose to ignore the advice he gave him and continue to flirt with mario.
I actually think ben did fancy mario he was just afraid of being so Out there on national t.v.

So if he was, as you say, so afraid of being "out" on national TV then why did he flirt with another man? Your contradicting yourself now ;)

[lauraC]

I don't think he wants to get paid for it, he does it because he enjoys it and likes the exposure. Maybe in the hope he will get a radio job out of it.

so why would anyone be jealous of him for being a guest on a late show radio show that he doesn't even get paid for? I don't know how that could be considered a career, ben was doing bits and bobs in the media before he even went on big brother

[Vodka Drinka]

so why would anyone be jealous of him for being a guest on a late show radio show that he doesn't even get paid for? I don't know how that could be considered a career, ben was doing bits and bobs in the media before he even went on big brother

Does Mario get paid for his crappy clothing designs?

[Pyramid*]

I doubt that an appearance fee, or lack of, is what would make Mario seeth with jealousy. The exposure however......that's something Mario would give his eye teeth for. IMVHO of course.

And we all know how much Mario loves exposure - even when it involves his own genitals.

If anything, if Ben guested on shows without payment, I'd hold him in even more respect, but I most certainly would imagine he is (quite rightfully) paid - and possibly, quite handsomely too.

[Pyramid*]

The world holds it's breath as they await the next generation bubble wrap butterfly jacket, whilst - rightly or wrongly - RTV shows appear to be as popular as ever and Ben has a regular guest slot on a BBC radio show.

Let's be perfectly honest here. It did look like something that toddlers in a kindergarden would knock up, that parents would be obliged to say how beautiful it was.......:joker:

What gives with all the 'skulls' - on tshirts, jeans etc. Hardly a new design concept really!!

[pices]

so why would anyone be jealous of him for being a guest on a late show radio show that he doesn't even get paid for? I don't know how that could be considered a career, ben was doing bits and bobs in the media before he even went on big brother

Mario is jealous full stop, in the house he was eaten up with it.
He could not bear it when Ben was chosen to be highlighted, he thought everything should be about him.He went into dark moods whenever the other housemates were being singled out for attention.He did'nt like it when Ben was friends with everyone, he wanted and needed Ben to be isolated so he could have control.
Thats why he befrended everyone who was feeling down ( a shield he called it) Mario needs to be needed and wanted exclusively, He could not bear Corin until he started running out of friends and because she and Ben were close, he took Andrew under his wing as soon as Ben left and it was at this time that I really began to see what a scumbag pervy little scrote he was.
Hs treatment of Andrew was disgraceful, Andrew is just a young lad and I feared for him a lot being letched on like that.yes we know Mario covered it up with saying it was only friendship and Andrew was too young, all the same his behaviour was appalling.

[lauraC]

Does Mario get paid for his crappy clothing designs?

I don't know why is ben jealous?

[Pyramid*]

So if he was, as you say, so afraid of being "out" on national TV then why did he flirt with another man? Your contradicting yourself now ;)

:hugesmile::hugesmile:

Good point!

Beats me why Ben's sexuality is of so much importance to some. I have no iota of understanding what difference it makes.

I personally don't give a hoot what people prefer, men, women, watermelons!!.

As long as they aren't 'footering about with furry animals', it's all cool with me. !!

[lauraC]

Mario is jealous full stop, in the house he was eaten up with it.
He could not bear it when Ben was chosen to be highlighted, he thought everything should be about him.He went into dark moods whenever the other housemates were being singled out for attention.He did'nt like it when Ben was friends with everyone, he wanted and needed Ben to be isolated so he could have control.
Thats why he befrended everyone who was feeling down ( a shield he called it) Mario needs to be needed and wanted exclusively, He could not bear Corin until he started running out of friends and because she and Ben were close, he took Andrew under his wing as soon as Ben left and it was at this time that I really began to see what a scumbag pervy little scrote he was.
Hs treatment of Andrew was disgraceful, Andrew is just a young lad and I feared for him a lot being letched on like that.yes we know Mario covered it up with saying it was only friendship and Andrew was too young, all the same his behaviour was appalling.
He befriended people who are feeling down because he's a nice person, infact he befriended everyone in the house

[lauraC]

So if he was, as you say, so afraid of being "out" on national TV then why did he flirt with another man? Your contradicting yourself now ;)

he flirted but he didn't snog any of them did he? Bet he wanted to though, especially dave or john james

[lauraC]

:hugesmile::hugesmile:

Good point!

Beats me why Ben's sexuality is of so much importance to some. I have no iota of understanding what difference it makes.

I personally don't give a hoot what people prefer, men, women, watermelons!!.

As long as they aren't 'footering about with furry animals', it's all cool with me. !!

It was in response to the "sexual harassment" claims, it's not sexual harassment when 60% of the time the advances are welcomed and reciprocated

[pices]

He befriended people who are feeling down because he's a nice person, infact he befriended everyone in the house

He is not a nice person at all, he is a loathsome creature. And I notice you still have not answered my last post to you, do you as a Mario fan accept that Mario holds any blame at all for is behaviour

[Vodka Drinka]

I don't know why is ben jealous?

Hardly. I can't imagine he'd be seen dead in any of Mario's designs:joker:

he flirted but he didn't snog any of them did he? Bet he wanted to though, especially dave or john james

Nobody snogged anyone in there. Even John James and Josie didn't snog properly, so what a silly thing to say. Trust me, it doesn't support your paper thin and ridiculous argument that Ben is a closet gay at all. And if Ben wanted to snog anyone it would have been Rachael White. Certainly not Mario.

[lauraC]

He is not a nice person at all, he is a loathsome creature. And I notice you still have not answered my last post to you, do you as a Mario fan accept that Mario holds any blame at all for is behaviour

Which behaviour? be specific

[Vodka Drinka]

Which behaviour? be specific

Joking about touching the other male housemates genitals? I seem to remember Mario doing that a lot. Saying that he wished Ben "liked anal". And generally making other inappropriate sexual comments,

[babycakes]

Marios jealousy showed itself on BB on many occasions, but none more "in yer face" than when he had the most childish strop about Bens involvement in the Don't stop believing song. It was worthy of a 4 year old. I kept expecting SuperNanny to arrive at any moment.

[lauraC]

Hardly. I can't imagine he'd be seen dead in any of Mario's designs:joker:



Nobody snogged anyone in there. Even John James and Josie didn't snog properly, so what a silly thing to say. Trust me, it doesn't support your paper thin and ridiculous argument that Ben is a closet gay at all. And if Ben wanted to snog anyone it would have been Rachael White. Certainly not Mario.

I don't think he fancied Rachel.
This is my theory, and I accept he might have fancied her and he might be bisexual like he claimsBut my theory is he didn't find Rachel sexually attractive, he chose to admit his desire for her because he knew she was out of his league and her feelings were not reciprocated, he also claimed he fancied Rachel 2 but when she showed interest in him he completely backed off and flirted with other girls. I don't think he's into women in that way

[babycakes]

Joking about touching the other male housemates genitals? I seem to remember Mario doing that a lot. Saying that he wished Ben "liked anal". And generally making other inappropriate sexual comments,


It was highly inappropriate. Some very young people watch the show (as evidenced by the popularity of some contestants on twitter) and it was both thoughtless and vulgar of Mario to say such things. But he did it for the shock value, just like the naked streaking.

[pices]

It was in response to the "sexual harassment" claims, it's not sexual harassment when 60% of the time the advances are welcomed and reciprocated

Ben did not flirt with just Mario, its his nature and he treats everyone that way. Going by your reckoning then, if somebody enjoys a little innocent flirting they should then be up for accepting whatever the other person wants to do to them.
How is Ben saying 'we will only ever be friends and nothing more' confusing to Mario, how is Ben saying 'we dont know what the future holds but I will never want Mario's penis' not clear enough.
It sounds to me like what we hear in rape cases, when the accused says ' well I thought she was up for it because she kissed me, or 'I thought she was asking for it the way she was dressed'

[lauraC]

Joking about touching the other male housemates genitals? I seem to remember Mario doing that a lot. Saying that he wished Ben "liked anal". And generally making other inappropriate sexual comments,

well you will have to ask mario if he thinks he over stepped the bounderies, personally I would have found it uncomfortable but I find most sex talk uncomfortable, I would have died of embarresment playing the lighter game and other bb games that are intimate

[lauraC]

Ben did not flirt with just Mario, its his nature and he treats everyone that way. Going by your reckoning then, if somebody enjoys a little innocent flirting they should then be up for accepting whatever the other person wants to do to them.How is Ben saying 'we will only ever be friends and nothing more' confusing to Mario, how is Ben saying 'we dont know what the future holds but I will never want Mario's penis' not clear enough.
It sounds to me like what we hear in rape cases, when the accused says ' well I thought she was up for it because she kissed me, or 'I thought she was asking for it the way she was dressed'

No I was just saying that if you flirt with someone you should expect that person to flirt back, there was no rape. Just flirting on both sides

[Pyramid*]

Hardly. I can't imagine he'd be seen dead in any of Mario's designs:joker:



Nobody snogged anyone in there. Even John James and Josie didn't snog properly, so what a silly thing to say. Trust me, it doesn't support your paper thin and ridiculous argument that Ben is a closet gay at all. And if Ben wanted to snog anyone it would have been Rachael White. Certainly not Mario.

I still have no idea why Ben's sexual preferences are such an issue !!!

I don't care if he is a closet gay, bisexual, asexual, metrosexual, celibate ....and neither do I give fig about Mario's sexuality.

A person's sexuality does not the person make. It is their personality, their character, their social skills and how they interact with others,, how their behaviour is acceptable etc that maketh the man.

I wonder if Mario is/ was simply besotted with ben, infatuated to the point that this unrequited love is too much for him to bear??

I hope Mario finds peace with himself as I don't think he is a happy chappy. I also hope he finds some sort of direction that will lead him to find success, but it would be nice if he tried achieve something through less immoral means that pretend charities etc. And I agree Voddy... I'd not wear his 'clothing' to take my rubbish out to the bin. My neighbours would think I'd spent the week on acid!! LOL

[bbfan1991]

No but Big Brother is over and I think both Ben and Mario would be amused if they saw this thread and people arguing because they will have more important things on their mind i'm sure:joker:.

[lauraC]

No but Big Brother is over and I think both Ben and Mario would be amused if they saw this thread and people arguing because they will have more important things on their mind i'm sure:joker:.

I agree

[Angus]

I doubt he could give two craps

I get the feeling it's Mario's fans, even more than Mario himself, who are absolutely seething with jealousy that Ben is getting far more attention than Mario will ever get:joker: In fact Mario is somewhat of a laughing stock with his dire designs and aspirations to be a top designer. Dear oh dear, a FAILED model, a FAILED actor and now a FAILED designer - the triple whammy:laugh3:

[Vodka Drinka]

I don't think he fancied Rachel.
This is my theory, and I accept he might have fancied her and he might be bisexual like he claimsBut my theory is he didn't find Rachel sexually attractive, he chose to admit his desire for her because he knew she was out of his league and her feelings were not reciprocated, he also claimed he fancied Rachel 2 but when she showed interest in him he completely backed off and flirted with other girls. I don't think he's into women in that way

Of course he really fancied the first Rachael. He did from the moment she first worked through the doors, I remember his words being something along the lines of, "Oh looks it Beyonce, my luck has changed". He reminded me a little bit of the geeky boy at school who has a crush on the pretty, popular girl but she didn't know he existed and he couldn't pluck up the courage to do anything about it.

I never believed he fancied Rachel 2 at all, she clearly irritated the hell out of him and he irritated her. She only wanted Ben for a storyline for herself.

[babycakes]

I don't think he fancied Rachel.
This is my theory, and I accept he might have fancied her and he might be bisexual like he claimsBut my theory is he didn't find Rachel sexually attractive, he chose to admit his desire for her because he knew she was out of his league and her feelings were not reciprocated, he also claimed he fancied Rachel 2 but when she showed interest in him he completely backed off and flirted with other girls. I don't think he's into women in that way

His very close friend, who knows, rather than spouts theories, says otherwise.

Why is your theory more valid than the many affirmations made on this site, and others, that Ben is in fact, a straight man who is attracted to women ? Not that we would like him any the less if he was gay, but he's not, so we are discussing a ridiculous hypothesis.

It's like having a debate with someone who insists the world is flat and when faced with reality, they just say the same thing over and over again :spin::spin::spin:

It obviously suits you to embrace your theories rather than the truths uttered by the people that actually know Ben VERY well, and know the truth.

Oh well, I'm wasting my time here. Got jobs to do and guests coming over. Toodle Pip.:xyxwave:

[lauraC]

I get the feeling it's Mario's fans, even more than Mario himself, who are absolutely seething with jealousy that Ben is getting far more attention than Mario will ever get:joker: In fact Mario is somewhat of a laughing stock with his dire designs and aspirations to be a top designer. Dear oh dear, a FAILED model, a FAILED actor and now a FAILED designer - the triple whammy:laugh3:

well speaking as a mario fan (although the word fan sounds ridiculous to me) I couldn't give two craps either. actually i wish ben a successful career, i hope all the bb housemates do well, disclaimer: (except dave in that his career involves things i disagree with, but i hope he is happy but not in spite of other people)

[Vodka Drinka]

I still have no idea why Ben's sexual preferences are such an issue !!!

I don't care if he is a closet gay, bisexual, asexual, metrosexual, celibate ....and neither do I give fig about Mario's sexuality.

A person's sexuality does not the person make. It is their personality, their character, their social skills and how they interact with others,, how their behaviour is acceptable etc that maketh the man.

I wonder if Mario is/ was simply besotted with ben, infatuated to the point that this unrequited love is too much for him to bear??

I hope Mario finds peace with himself as I don't think he is a happy chappy. I also hope he finds some sort of direction that will lead him to find success, but it would be nice if he tried achieve something through less immoral means that pretend charities etc. And I agree Voddy... I'd not wear his 'clothing' to take my rubbish out to the bin. My neighbours would think I'd spent the week on acid!! LOL

I agree with this. I wouldn't care if Ben was gay, or bi or asexual or whatever. It really doesn't matter me at all. I'd still want to marry him and have his quiffheaded babies regardless:devil::elephant:

[pices]

I don't think he fancied Rachel.
This is my theory, and I accept he might have fancied her and he might be bisexual like he claimsBut my theory is he didn't find Rachel sexually attractive, he chose to admit his desire for her because he knew she was out of his league and her feelings were not reciprocated, he also claimed he fancied Rachel 2 but when she showed interest in him he completely backed off and flirted with other girls. I don't think he's into women in that way

You are entitled to think and believe what you like, but Ben is adorned by beautiful women all the time,you have heard a forum member here tell you that her son is one of his best friends and they go out together all the time, he fancies women, he loves women, he is attracted to women, now why do you think that you are better placed to comment on his lifestyle.Rachel is not out of his league, he attracts beautiful women like a magnet, one glimpse of Ben is all it seemingly takes to have them swooning.

[Pyramid*]

No but Big Brother is over and I think both Ben and Mario would be amused if they saw this thread and people arguing because they will have more important things on their mind i'm sure:joker:.

oh absolutely, particularly in Ben's case as he doesn't go on forums, has no twitter account (the way Mario does on both counts)and doesn't read any either.

Ben is quite happy going along with his life and not allowing his taking part in BB to affect it one way or another.

Ben is completely unaware of all of this madness! PMSL. :hugesmile::hugesmile:

[Angus]

well speaking as a mario fan (although the word fan sounds ridiculous to me) I couldn't give two craps either

Now that ain't true now is it? Else you wouldn't be haunting the forums ready to pounce on any criticism of the pervy one:joker: For someone who doesn't "give two craps" you're always on here ready to tell anyone who might believe you that you don't give two craps:laugh3:

[lauraC]

You are entitled to think and believe what you like, but Ben is adorned by beautiful women all the time,you have heard a forum member here tell you that her son is one of his best friends and they go out together all the time, he fancies women, he loves women, he is attracted to women, now why do you think that you are better placed to comment on his lifestyle.Rachel is not out of his league, he attracts beautiful women like a magnet, one glimpse of Ben is all it seemingly takes to have them swooning.

I told you it was a theory and also the person you are talking about is Ultra Violet who also claims that ben is not into men at all despite me hearing on BB from ben himself that he is, why should I believe Ultra Violet more than ben himself?

[Vodka Drinka]

You are entitled to think and believe what you like, but Ben is adorned by beautiful women all the time,you have heard a forum member here tell you that her son is one of his best friends and they go out together all the time, he fancies women, he loves women, he is attracted to women, now why do you think that you are better placed to comment on his lifestyle.Rachel is not out of his league, he attracts beautiful women like a magnet, one glimpse of Ben is all it seemingly takes to have them swooning.

Indeed Ben's other friend (also called Ben) said in a magazine interview that women often throw themselves at him and he's been involved with lots of beautiful women. He also couldn't understand why he had so little female attention in the house.

[lauraC]

Now that ain't true now is it? Else you wouldn't be haunting the forums ready to pounce on any criticism of the pervy one:joker: For someone who doesn't "give two craps" you're always on here ready to tell anyone who might believe you that you don't give two craps:laugh3:

I defend him because he's a nice person , I don't care about his career he could be rich or poor, it doesn't interest me.

[Pyramid*]

I agree with this. I wouldn't care if Ben was gay, or bi or asexual or whatever. It really doesn't matter me at all. I'd still want to marry him and have his quiffheaded babies regardless:devil::elephant:

*Reaches out through computer screen: hands over small pyrex jug and an eye dropper*

It's the closest you'll get to fornication if I have my way !!! :devil:

[lauraC]

Indeed Ben's other friend (also called Ben) said in a magazine interview that women often throw themselves at him and he's been involved with lots of beautiful women. He also couldn't understand why he had so little female attention in the house.

because he ran a mile when any of them showed any interest in him and spend all his time flirting with the men, most of the women thought he was gay

[Angus]

I told you it was a theory and also the person you are talking about is Ultra Violet who also claims that ben is not into men at all despite me hearing on BB from ben himself that he is, why should I believe Ultra Violet more than ben himself?

Who gives a flying fart whether Ben is straight, gay or bi? One thing we know beyond a shadow of a doubt is that he finds Mario totally repulsive or I'm sure he would have availed himself of the goods that were literally offered to him on a plate. Mario is a *****, plain and simple, and Ben will never be THAT desperate because he has taste and self respect.

[Pyramid*]

Now that ain't true now is it? Else you wouldn't be haunting the forums ready to pounce on any criticism of the pervy one:joker: For someone who doesn't "give two craps" you're always on here ready to tell anyone who might believe you that you don't give two craps:laugh3:


:hugesmile: someone dropped this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HArUmqqiL0s) I think.

[Vodka Drinka]

because he ran a mile when any of them showed any interest in him and spend all his time flirting with the men, most of the women thought he was gay

The only woman whoever showed him any interested was the second Rachel, and that's because she wanted a storyline for herself.

[Angus]

I defend him because he's a nice person , I don't care about his career he could be rich or poor, it doesn't interest me.

Of course not, if you say so:pat::rolleyes: