Smoking ban-good or bad?

[x-heather-x]

From Sunday 26th March Scotland will ban smoking in all enclosed public places including works,pubs/clubs,schools etc.

do you think this is a good idea to help stop smoking altogether?

[BB-Rocks]

Well we know it won't stop smoking all together, but i think its better that you can actually go in a pub and not worry about the smoke etc. This is a good idea, but its going to cause a lot of trouble, and a lot of money!

[Mike]

I think its a great idea personally, obviously it wont ever stop smoking but its good for people who dont want to be around smoke where ever they go.

[lily.]

I think it's an infringement of our civil liberties. Many small businesses will close because of this. I object to the ban. I think it's unreasonable. I object to the government dictating to us about smoking and most of all, I object to Scotland being used to test it out a year before England.

BTW: I don't smoke.

[Siouxsie]

I think its a good idea especially in restaurants. One of my pet hates smoking while people are trying to eat Yuk disgusting.

[EugeneSully]

they should concentrate on crime. and ladies ggetting their pensions robbed off them even if they are old bigoted twats some of them.

Now they'll be ditching real crime to hunt for smokers. Just make a smoking room and non smoking room.

[Razmataz]

I disagree.

This smoking ban should be brought into FULL effect.

People smoking kill innocent people.
Passive smoking FACT.

BAN IT COMPLETELY.
It might make our nation healthier.

[EugeneSully]

Originally posted by Gladders_16
I disagree.

This smoking ban should be brought into FULL effect.

People smoking kill innocent people.
Passive smoking FACT.

BAN IT COMPLETELY.
It might make our nation healthier.


if we ban smoking that means everyone will be ********* each other and getting all angry with withdrawal symptoms. Its called cold turkey. People should simply stop smoking or smoke in designates areas in each pub..

Edited by Sunny_01 - not really appropriate for this forum

[cc100]

Humans are allowed free choice so they should be able to smoke if they want, BUT those who dont want to breathe in smoke should also be protected.

[Lance]

Originally posted by cc100
Humans are allowed free choice so they should be able to smoke if they want, BUT those who dont want to breathe in smoke should also be protected.

That said, isn't there a ban on certain classes of drugs in the UK? Effectively, it's the same thing.

We have a ban on smoking in public places in Ireland and I think it's great. Fair enough, if you want to smoke then do it where it doesn't effect other people.

It's great to be able to go to a bar/restaurant/any public place and be able to breathe properly. Thanks God we have it already in place in Ireland.

[BB-Rocks]

I agree with you Lance. People should be able to smoke anywere, but not places were its affecting other peoples health

[Legend]

Yeh, i agree cause other people shouldn't have to breathe it in, in pubs, restauruants etc.

But still, it would be sooo annoying if u wanted a cig when relaxin, having a drink but then have to go outside.

And Gladders, banning it all together, nooooo wayyyy!!

People smoke, people enjoy smoking, people are addicted. You cannot ban it all together. :rolleyes:

[BB-Rocks]

I know what you mean about realxing and stuff.

They can't ban smoking, thats harsh

[Legend]

I know! Even if i didn't smoke (i am stopping :laugh:) then i would still stay this.

Anyone who thinks they should ban smoking are off there trolleys.

If you ban smoking, why not ban alcohol, computers, everything else that is a danger to people's health.

[chick]

I think it is good ,but then i dont smoke .

[Siouxsie]

I dont smoke I hate it ( wasnt born with a chimney on my head )

[cc100]

Originally posted by Lance
Originally posted by cc100
Humans are allowed free choice so they should be able to smoke if they want, BUT those who dont want to breathe in smoke should also be protected.

That said, isn't there a ban on certain classes of drugs in the UK? Effectively, it's the same thing.

We have a ban on smoking in public places in Ireland and I think it's great. Fair enough, if you want to smoke then do it where it doesn't effect other people.

It's great to be able to go to a bar/restaurant/any public place and be able to breathe properly. Thanks God we have it already in place in Ireland.

Fair enough Lance.

Im also of the opinion that Cannabis should be legal.

[Lance]

Fair 'nuff. Personally, don't think it should be legalised but we all can't agree.:bigsmile:

I think everyone is pretty much OK with the Smoking Ban here now. At first smokers were a bit peeved with it but just seems like a way of life now.

[x-heather-x]

I think its a great idea coz i went into a restaurant today and instead of smelling stale smoke covering up the food you just smelt the food...it was a lot better and it makes the place fresher:laugh:

[Arneldo]

Great Idea.
We had it first and i think it should be brought in all over Europe.

[Lance]

Originally posted by scooby
I dont smoke I hate it ( wasnt born with a chimney on my head )

You weren't born with clothes but I'm guessing you still wear them..:laugh:

[Fangz]

I think it's great.
Giving people the right to endanger peoples health because they've been stupid enough to get addicted to a potentially lethal drug was ridiculous in the first place.

[Kaz]

Originally posted by Stropz
I think it's an infringement of our civil liberties. Many small businesses will close because of this. I object to the ban. I think it's unreasonable. I object to the government dictating to us about smoking and most of all, I object to Scotland being used to test it out a year before England.

BTW: I don't smoke.

I agree entirely with you, Stropz.

Rather than an enforced blanket ban, I think that pubs & clubs should have been given the choice to become smoking or non-smoking. Then, if you didn't smoke and didn't want to sit in a smoky atmosphere, you could go to a non-smoking venue ........and vice versa.

[Razmataz]

To bring enforcement to the arguement.
How much does smoking cost the much in debt NHS each year.
were talking millions and millions if not just scraping near the billion mark.
People with smoke related diseases is on the rise.
And we all know it leads to an earlier death.
We've all seen the graphic pictures yet some still smoke.

A complete ban would cut disease. And would cut the NHS bill. also cutting tax. in the future. Although the government gets a lot of money from tabacco sales. It pays double back to the NHS leaving it crippled in the end.

Smoking isnt just a health scare its a national scare of whether our very restricted hospitals as it is can cope with it.

[Legend]

Originally posted by Gladders_16
To bring enforcement to the arguement.
How much does smoking cost the much in debt NHS each year.
were talking millions and millions if not just scraping near the billion mark.
People with smoke related diseases is on the rise.
And we all know it leads to an earlier death.
We've all seen the graphic pictures yet some still smoke.

A complete ban would cut disease. And would cut the NHS bill. also cutting tax. in the future. Although the government gets a lot of money from tabacco sales. It pays double back to the NHS leaving it crippled in the end.

Smoking isnt just a health scare its a national scare of whether our very restricted hospitals as it is can cope with it.

Doesn't alcohol kill people? Doesn't alocohol cause illnesses? Doesn't alcohol cost the NHS?

But still, i presume you drink alcohol.

[Razmataz]

Actually. Alcohol to me is a once in a blue moon thing.
Twice a year if im lucky.
Probably a lot more this year.
But i dunno. Alcohol has that drink driving effect.
But i would'nt mind the band on alcohol unlike many people my age.
Alcohol is reason for many of my mates being pricks. So yeah.

Im not with the whole drink every weekend club.:thumbs:

[krissybabe06]

i think personally.... no matter what they do every1 will continue still doing it! do you rly think for 1 minute ppl are guna stop smoking in areas just like that! no way!!!!:rolleyes:

[x-heather-x]

Its actually been very suprising how good its going. No one is smoking in pubs anymore. But the bad thing is that your findin loads of fag ends outside in the street.

[BB-Rocks]

Last night i seen people standing outside the pubs in the rain .. they must be despirate for a fag

[krissybabe06]

yeah... that must be bad because smoking is apparently so addictable people will do anything for 1 if theyre desperate aswel

[Siouxsie]

Hate it it stinks and it looks so ugly:nono::nono:

[krissybabe06]

hmmmmmm some ppl tend 2 have smoked LMAO hehe it is bad 4 u tho!

[Sunny_01]

I am one of those filthy smokers sorry!

I have to say though I agree with the ban! from having my children I have gone outside to smoke and if it is to cold then I dont bother. I hate smoke filled pubs and there is nothing worse than someone smoking near to you when you are eating.

I dont cost the NHS any money Gladders I pay for private health care for me and my family, so that argument doesnt really wash with me. What about the drug addicts, what about the drinkers, what about the obese people they are all a burden on the NHS but does that make them any less entitled to good quality health care - I dont think so!

We all have choices that affect our health and we are all entitled to those choices as long as we do not affect other people in the process!

[krissybabe06]

hey Sunny are you from the north east? hey i'm from Newcastle how are you?

I think you are right with the smoking. Everybody is entitled to do what they want and have their own decisions. But i would be lying if i said i had never tried it! I still now and again, im not one of these chain smokers i smoke socially i would say, i cut down about 3 or 4 weeks ago

[Sunny_01]

Hi Krissy - yes I am from the NE actually costa del Consett to be precise!

I think I am a bit of a strange smoker, I dont like the smell of smoke in houses, cars etc...

I still think it is about choice and that includes peoples choice not to be covered in my second hand smoke - I am more than happy to stand outside so as not to polute other peoples lungs!

[krissybabe06]

aww bless you sunny! ooo Anthony's from there:laugh:

Yeah, i think it depends really, although i only smoke when i feel like it, i havent had a cigarette for about 2 weeks or so. Well i cut down about 4 weeks ago, Sometimes i rarely ever smoke In houses and places like that it's optional but i would never ever smoke in my own home because my parents always made me go in the back garden for them, even though they smoked really heavily, but i have my baby niece and 2 nephews coming round and it's for their health also isnt it? If others want to smoke around me then i dont mind that at all! But i would simply respect the fact if people didnt like me smoking around them to move though!

[x-heather-x]

My uncle smokes but hates smokin in the house restaurants etc etc. The only place he really smokes is in pubs so he isnt very happy with the ban.

[krissybabe06]

Yeah, none of my family smoke at all now i dont think, my sister does now and again but she has a baby now so she doesnt do it any more. Yeah i think the ban in pubs is going to have a really big effect on people somehow and i really dont think people will agree with it.

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by Stropz

I think it's an infringement of our civil liberties. Many small businesses will close because of this. I object to the ban. I think it's unreasonable. I object to the government dictating to us about smoking and most of all, I object to Scotland being used to test it out a year before England.

Agreed, Stropz. I don't think that passive smoking should be forced on anyone. But as has been suggested elsewhere in this thread, pubs, bars, restaurants, etc. should be given the choice whether to be smoking or non-smoking, or allowed to have a designated area indoors where smoking is permitted, at the very least. I think it's pretty bizarre that most of the controversy surrounds smoking in pubs and bars, anyway. Anyone would think that alcohol consumption was good for you or something. I think it's far more of a problem than tobacco ever has or ever will be. Nobody has ever caused an RTA from driving under the influence of nicotine. The Police, courts and casualty departments don't cost the taxpayer billions each year as a result of smoking-related accidents and acts of violence, either. I'm sure a survey of the UK prison population would reveal a significant number of inmates for whom alcohol played a major part in the crimes they've committed, too.

As for passive smoking, there's no doubt that smoking in the company of others has an effect on their health too, although to what degree is still somewhat open to question. But when that's compared to the damage that alcohol abuse has done to the lives of others, there's really no comparison.


Originally posted by Gladders_16

To bring enforcement to the arguement.
How much does smoking cost the much in debt NHS each year.
were talking millions and millions if not just scraping near the billion mark.
People with smoke related diseases is on the rise.
And we all know it leads to an earlier death.
We've all seen the graphic pictures yet some still smoke.

A complete ban would cut disease. And would cut the NHS bill. also cutting tax. in the future. Although the government gets a lot of money from tabacco sales. It pays double back to the NHS leaving it crippled in the end.

Smoking isnt just a health scare its a national scare of whether our very restricted hospitals as it is can cope with it.

Your post cancels out your point. The fact is that without the tax revenue from tobacco, there wouldn't be enough in the kitty to fund the NHS. Raising taxation on alcohol significantly would save the NHS far more money, as well as cutting crime and taking a considerable amount of pressure off the Police, courts and prisons. It would also make the streets a hell of a lot safer, too.

It's a ludicrous situation when supermarkets are selling discounted alcohol and even having '3 for 2' offers, whilst corner shops and off-licenses either willingly sell alcohol to kids, or to adults whom they're fully aware are buying it on their behalf. Each budget sees another rise in the taxation on tobacco, whilst a penny or two is added to alcohol, if it's not ignored completely. The fact is that smoking isn’t fashionable and people consider it to be a ‘dirty’ habit, so the government gets kudos for addressing it. Alcohol is far more damaging, but the public perception is altogether different, so no government is going to risk doing anything about it. Proposing health warning labels on alcohol doesn’t really cut it when it’s advertised freely pretty much everywhere.

[Z]

About passive smoking, there's nothing to stop the person who doesn't want smoke in their face from moving. Especially in places like pubs. If there's a majority of non-smokers, then fair enough, put the cigarette away, but to ban smoking altogether is ludicrous. Like Stropz, I hate the fact that Scotland is being used as a guinea pig.

[sol]

I have mixed views on the ban, I hate people smoking while im eating in a pub / restaurant so in that respect i like the ban, but the fact that peoples rights are beign prohibited isnt nice, it feels like the 'nanny state' again - I dont know, its good and bad :conf:

[Legend]

I smoke when i'm around my mates as they all smoke etc. I don't smoke in restaurants and that because for one; your food taste's vile if you smoke before or after and 2; it's not as though i'm in the restaurant for hours so i can wait untill i get outside to have one.

And a complete ban on smoking, who said that? Well whoever it was, please hush. I've probably already said something about that comment lol. But whoever said it is obviously a non smoker so your just looking at it from a non smokers perspective. Some people are addicted (personally, i'm not atall).

When i didn't smoke, i didn't like my dad smoking in the house etc and i would never smoke in my house with my family etc. Butt, even when i didn't smoke then the idea of smoking being banned permanantly i was still soo against it as it's again it's not fair on the smokers.

Why not ban alcohol whilst your at it?

So, from a smokers and non smokers perspective; smoking being banned completely is a load of bollock$. :bigsmile:

Also, Stropz & Zi, why shouldn't Scotland be used to try it out? Do people in Scotland smoke? Why should it be England or any other country?

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by Legend

why shouldn't Scotland be used to try it out? Do people in Scotland smoke? Why should it be England or any other country?

Because Scotland always gets used as a 'testing ground' for new legislation, such as the poll tax, for example. And it's not too long ago that Thatcher ignored Scotland's heroin problem either, because when you've got a high proportion of the able-bodied population smashed out of their skulls on smack and jellies, they're hardly likely to be rebellious.

[lily.]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes
Originally posted by Legend

why shouldn't Scotland be used to try it out? Do people in Scotland smoke? Why should it be England or any other country?

Because Scotland always gets used as a 'testing ground' for new legislation, such as the poll tax, for example. And it's not too long ago that Thatcher ignored Scotland's heroin problem either, because when you've got a high proportion of the able-bodied population smashed out of their skulls on smack and jellies, they're hardly likely to be rebellious.

Charlotte .. you answered that post for me girl. I was about to respond to Legend when I read your response. That's precisely why most Scots feel like the country is used as a 'testing ground'.

To Legend: I'm not saying Scotland is any better than England, Wales, N.I. I am merely suggesting that equality should be shown and when there is a blanket ban imposed under UK law, then it should be imposed on the whole of the UK and not just in one part of it. I would object just the same if it were 'tested' in England, Wales or N.I. Segregation is not the way forward.

[Legend]

Charlotte, i didn't know any of that so i spose that's true and Stropz, i did think you meant it that Scotland were better in a way then i read your response etc etc. Then i realised you said you didn't smoke yourself and i thought you did so firstly i thought you were annoyed personally so in other words; JUST INGORE THAT POST. :spin: :wink:

Also, sorry about the lack of full stops, i've just nearly han a astmah attack trying to read it all. :rolleyes:

P.S: How do you spell 'astmah' :rolleyes: it's annoying me because i can never spell it and i have had it for 10 years.

[lily.]

asthma :thumbs:

[BB-Rocks]

Originally posted by Stropz
Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes
Originally posted by Legend

why shouldn't Scotland be used to try it out? Do people in Scotland smoke? Why should it be England or any other country?

Because Scotland always gets used as a 'testing ground' for new legislation, such as the poll tax, for example. And it's not too long ago that Thatcher ignored Scotland's heroin problem either, because when you've got a high proportion of the able-bodied population smashed out of their skulls on smack and jellies, they're hardly likely to be rebellious.

Charlotte .. you answered that post for me girl. I was about to respond to Legend when I read your response. That's precisely why most Scots feel like the country is used as a 'testing ground'.

To Legend: I'm not saying Scotland is any better than England, Wales, N.I. I am merely suggesting that equality should be shown and when there is a blanket ban imposed under UK law, then it should be imposed on the whole of the UK and not just in one part of it. I would object just the same if it were 'tested' in England, Wales or N.I. Segregation is not the way forward.

I know exactly what you are both saying.

[Legend]

Originally posted by Stropz
asthma :thumbs:

Cheers ears. :wink:

I'm sure i've always spelt it correctly on here and everywhere else untill then when i decided to have a blonde moment.

[Siouxsie]

Has anyone got a chimney on top of their heads(sorry but if you were meant to smoke you would have)

[Ruth]

I don't agree with the ban. It should be up to the landlord's discretion as to whether smoking is banned in their establishment or not. And I don't smoke!

[Fangz]

Originally posted by Ziola
About passive smoking, there's nothing to stop the person who doesn't want smoke in their face from moving.
Why should someone be forced to inconvenience themselves because someone else is a drug addict? Not being forced to have your lungs rotted away against your wishes should be a basic human right.
Lighting up outside is one thing, but to do so in a small, enclosed environment without good ventilation isn't fair.

[Esperanto]

I think the smoking ban is unfair. I have no problems about not smoking in restaurants, and i think pubs should have a smoking/non smoking side. However since the ban I have no problems going outside and have to admit that the pubs are a lot more pleasant(although you can smell b.o. and farts more LOL). Now I know (well in scotaland) for a fact 7 years ago pubs were told to have a designated smoking area hence the ban. SO I kind of understand this ban.As I said I have no problem with the ban. But I do think that it is a bit extreme, what about private clubs? The one I goto spent over £11,000 on ventilation/air con, no smking at the bar and designated smoking areas. I think a club where people can choose to be a member/work there if they wish should be exempt. I wish they would use a little common sense, but that is politicians for you.
Do you know if you walk around GLasgow city centre for 90 mins it is equivilant of smoking around 15 fags, busses/taxis/cars, now they should continue and deal with transport issues now.I bet they wont though.

[Lance]

Hey guys!

First of all, sorry for not being on much in the last few days. I am actually in the UK until this evening and this was something that I have to reply to.

Living in Ireland now, I take it for granted that we can go into pubs/restaurants and have a drink or a meal in a clean surrounding. Since coming to the UK, I've realised how thankful I am of the smoking ban we have in Ireland.

It is disgusting to come into a public place and, despite there being non-smoking areas, have to sit somewhere that feels like a giant ash tray. It makes me sick now and I think once the smoking-ban comes into full effect here the majority of people will be more than happy with it.

[x-heather-x]

I'm loving the smoking ban. People in England dont know what theyre missing!!!!

[sol]

I get annoyed when my Dad smokes in the house too legend, he smokes cigars which arent so bad, but we also have a wood burner and thats always filling the house with smoke which gets on my nerves a lot.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by scooby
Has anyone got a chimney on top of their heads(sorry but if you were meant to smoke you would have)

Ok so then we shouldnt drive because we were not born in cars! I CHOOSE to smoke, I choose to polute my lungs, I dont choose to inflict it on family or friends though.

[Fangz]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Originally posted by scooby
Has anyone got a chimney on top of their heads(sorry but if you were meant to smoke you would have)

Ok so then we shouldnt drive because we were not born in cars! I CHOOSE to smoke, I choose to polute my lungs, I dont choose to inflict it on family or friends though.
Yeah well, if we were as nature intended us to be we'd be running round butt-naked hunting and gathering and we wouldn't be expected to live past thirty-five or so.

Course, we'd be quite a mess by then.
After all, we weren't born with deodorant clasped in our fists, or toothbrushes shoved in our gobs. Imagine the smell!

[Sunny_01]

[/quote]
Yeah well, if we were as nature intended us to be we'd be running round butt-naked hunting and gathering and we wouldn't be expected to live past thirty-five or so.

Course, we'd be quite a mess by then.
After all, we weren't born with deodorant clasped in our fists, or toothbrushes shoved in our gobs. Imagine the smell! [/quote]

lol Fangz - very well said though :laugh:

[ThaGazBoi]

Plz dont ban smoking *Gets on kness, Puppy dog eyes*

[Siouxsie]

:dog::dog::dog::dog:NO SMOKING ON THIS FORUM (puppy :dog:s eyes or not) :hugesmile::hugesmile:

[Siouxsie]

Disgusting

[James]

Keith Richards might have to pay of fine for smoking on stage at Hampden Park...


Last Updated: Sunday, 27 August 2006, 12:03 GMT 13:03 UK

Stone rolls into smoking ban row

Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards may have flouted Scotland's smoking ban when he played to thousands of fans at Glasgow's Hampden Park.

The city council confirmed it was investigating reports that he smoked on stage throughout the gig on Friday.

The veteran rocker could face a £50 fine and Hampden Park could also face a £250 penalty if officials prove the venue failed to enforce the ban.

The rock 'n' roll legends are on the UK leg of their A Bigger Bang world tour.

A ban on smoking in all public places came into effect in Scotland on 26 March this year.

Hampden Park had introduced its own smoking ban three months before the nationwide ban was introduced.

At the beginning of this month, actor Mel Smith was warned not to smoke during his performance of Churchill in the play Allegiance at the Edinburgh Fringe festival.

Edinburgh City Council had said that the Assembly Rooms would be shut down if the law was broken.....


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/5290278.stm

[stoney12]

Bad Idea Big Bro ain't watchin you he's controlling you.Already been banned from one pub for lighting up...in the toilets,this was in England!!

[Diablo]

I don't smoke but now when I walk past a Pub or walk into the train station or whatever I have to pass crowds of smokers and I think I breathe in more passive smoke now than before the ban.

The ban was to stop smoking in public places.. Well the street is the most public place I can think of and it is smokier than ever with crowds of smokers gathered all over the pavement.

They could just have had a rule to have designated area's in pubs etc for smokers.

[sol]

Are there any plans for a smoking ban in England at the moment?

[stoney12]

Yep next May total ban in Pubs,clubs and even private members clubs.Disgraceful.

There is sickingly one exception..The house of commons bar.Just how much does this Government wanna take the pee out of us!!!

[James]

The government is to raise the legal minimum age at which tobacco can be bought in England and Wales from 16 to 18 years from October.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6216523.stm

[Legend]

Originally posted by James
The government is to raise the legal minimum age at which tobacco can be bought in England and Wales from 16 to 18 years from October.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6216523.stm

Oh that's pathetic. The goverment really need to just.. stop. Lol. It's getting beyond a joke now.

[Tanser_Man]

I think its a good idea... every little kid seems to have them in there mouths these days but then again, all of these kids seems to be able to get hold of a bottle of cider aswell...

[Dan_]

It wont make much difference, most will just get others to pay for them like with booze.

[lefty]

Originally posted by Stropz
I think it's an infringement of our civil liberties. Many small businesses will close because of this. I object to the ban. I think it's unreasonable. I object to the government dictating to us about smoking and most of all, I object to Scotland being used to test it out a year before England.

BTW: I don't smoke.
People would object to heorine users shooting up in public, and yet no one would be directly affected by them using their drug of choice. Shouldn't the civil liberties of those who wish to avoid inhaling carcinogeous smoke override those of the smokers?

[Legend]

Originally posted by Tanser_Man
I think its a good idea... every little kid seems to have them in there mouths these days but then again, all of these kids seems to be able to get hold of a bottle of cider aswell...

But that's upto them, they should be able to have a choice of whether they want to smoke or not and the government shouldn't introduce all this crap to try and stop young people smoking when it's just going to make people worse, all these 'kids' will cause trouble outside shops now if they're not getting cigs.

[Aflamo]

Well I'm from Ireland and the Smoking Ban that was imposed a couple of years ago (similar to your's) has been a great success.

[lily.]

Originally posted by lefty
Originally posted by Stropz
I think it's an infringement of our civil liberties. Many small businesses will close because of this. I object to the ban. I think it's unreasonable. I object to the government dictating to us about smoking and most of all, I object to Scotland being used to test it out a year before England.

BTW: I don't smoke.
People would object to heorine users shooting up in public, and yet no one would be directly affected by them using their drug of choice. Shouldn't the civil liberties of those who wish to avoid inhaling carcinogeous smoke override those of the smokers?

Heroin users do shoot up in public. And, now smokers stand on every corner, outside shops/pubs/restaurants. I still have to breath in their smoke. So, has it actually solved anything?

[lefty]

Originally posted by Stropznow smokers stand on every corner, outside shops/pubs/restaurants. I still have to breath in their smoke. So, has it actually solved anything?
When I first started working, I used to have to breathe smoke in the staffroom - or not go to he staffroom. That's no longer the case, and I'm happy about that. (It helped me give up smoking, for one thing.)

I still have to have it all over my clothes and in my lungs, whether I like it or not, if I want to go to the pub.

When I was in Ireland last year, I didn't come home stinking of smoke when I'd been out for a drink, even though there were people smoking outside as I entered and left the pub.

Which was nice.

[Siouxsie]

Ban it altogether

[Sophii3x]

Ban It!
I hate smoking

It just makes me feel sick

[Chrizzle]

I agree. Just ban it and be done with it.

[Lance]

I have to say I really notice the difference now that I'm back in Ireland.

It's so much more enjoyable (well, for me as a non-smoker) in pubs and clubs when people aren't blowing smoke in your face and you can actually breathe.

At the end of the night you don't smell like an ashtray, either. I can't wait for this to come into effect in England now.

[Jay]

Originally posted by Chrizzle
I agree. Just ban it and be done with it.

Oi lol why ban it all together, some people enjoy smoking :laugh:

[Legend]

It's all well and good for you non-smokers to say 'ban it' but it's never going to happen, they're not going to ban smoking full stop.

Sue, shall we ban vodka too? Some people don't like it.
Sophie, shall we ban chocolate too? It makes some people feel sick.

:wink:

Anyhow, the goverment are constantly introducing these new rules which IMO cause more trouble than they're worth. As people have said, everyone is outside the pub smoking now. When i was in Scotland the other week, i was walking down and outside all the pubs there were so many people smoking, you know outside were little babies are being pushed in their prams? Little babies wouldn't be in a pub would they? It is stupid. Really, really stupid and comments like that 'just ban it' really gets to me. :tongue:

[Sophii3x]

Originally posted by Jay
Originally posted by Chrizzle
I agree. Just ban it and be done with it.

Oi lol why ban it all together, some people enjoy smoking :laugh:

Yea.. but they are killing themselves!

My grandfather has had 2 strokes and a heart attack because of smoking and is still carrying on! And he's been smoking for 45 years!
I just hate it soo much:mad:

[Chrizzle]

I just don't think its sensible.

If you wanna kill yourself, do it with something thats quicker..

[Sophii3x]

Originally posted by Legend
Sophie, shall we ban chocolate too? It makes some people feel sick.

smoking and chocolate are compleatly different things:laugh:

[Jay]

Originally posted by Sophii3x
Originally posted by Jay
Originally posted by Chrizzle
I agree. Just ban it and be done with it.

Oi lol why ban it all together, some people enjoy smoking :laugh:

Yea.. but they are killing themselves!

My grandfather has had 2 strokes and a heart attack because of smoking and is still carrying on!
I just hate it soo much:mad:

I smoke and enjoy smoking sometimes, i think banning it all together is wrong because as i said people enjoy smoking when they have a drink and even when someones stressed out it helps.

[Sophii3x]

My best friend smokes
It kinda upsets me when i see her
I nag her constantly to make her stop, but It's her choice!

[Legend]

Originally posted by Sophii3x
Originally posted by Legend
Sophie, shall we ban chocolate too? It makes some people feel sick.

smoking and chocolate are compleatly different things:laugh:

Oh, i know that, i love both of them. :whistle:

But, eating too much chocolate can kill you, can it not? Putting too much weight on could lead to a heart attack and kill you, why not ban it?

Alcohol is the same, bad liver could lead to death. Oh, something else i love.

Jeez, i'm just one big killing machine. :wink:

[Sophii3x]

Originally posted by Jay
I smoke and enjoy smoking sometimes, i think banning it all together is wrong because as i said people enjoy smoking when they have a drink and even when someones stressed out it helps.

But it's different with different people
yes everyone should have a choice
But I just hate it so much

[Chrizzle]

Actually, to be honest I don't care.
Its peoples problem, not ours. They are going to be the ones to pay.
As long as they dont smoke it in my face- go ahead!

[Legend]

Originally posted by Sophii3x
My best friend smokes
It kinda upsets me when i see her
I nag her constantly to make her stop, but It's her choice!

EXACTLY! It's your own choice if you choose to smoke or not and if we want to 'kill ourselves' as people have been putting it then just leave us to it.

You do all know, crossing the road each day increases the risk of you being knocked over and dying you know? Let's stop crossing the road too.

I know that once again i'm being petty about it but it's true, everything can kill you and i'm sure you all do something which is a 'potential killer' eh?

[Chrizzle]

Originally posted by Legend
Originally posted by Sophii3x
My best friend smokes
It kinda upsets me when i see her
I nag her constantly to make her stop, but It's her choice!

EXACTLY! It's your own choice if you choose to smoke or not and if we want to 'kill ourselves' as people have been putting it then just leave us to it.

You do all know, crossing the road each day increases the risk of you being knocked over and dying you know? Let's stop crossing the road too.

I know that once again i'm being petty about it but it's true, everything can kill you and i'm sure you all do something which is a 'potential killer' eh?

If I could stop crossing the road, I would but thats a necessity.

[Sophii3x]

Originally posted by Chrizzle
Actually, to be honest I don't care.
Its peoples problem, not ours. They are going to be the ones to pay.
As long as they dont smoke it in my face- go ahead!

Exactly I went to a restaurant once last year and this man puffed his smoke in my face
my mum had a go at him:bigsmile:

[Sophii3x]

Originally posted by Legend
Originally posted by Sophii3x
Originally posted by Legend
Sophie, shall we ban chocolate too? It makes some people feel sick.

smoking and chocolate are compleatly different things:laugh:

Oh, i know that, i love both of them. :whistle:

But, eating too much chocolate can kill you, can it not? Putting too much weight on could lead to a heart attack and kill you, why not ban it?

Alcohol is the same, bad liver could lead to death. Oh, something else i love.

Jeez, i'm just one big killing machine. :wink:

But you cannot kill someone else with chocolate!
Ever heared of second-hand smoke?
It's a killer

[Legend]

Originally posted by Sophii3x
Originally posted by Legend
Originally posted by Sophii3x
Originally posted by Legend
Sophie, shall we ban chocolate too? It makes some people feel sick.

smoking and chocolate are compleatly different things:laugh:

Oh, i know that, i love both of them. :whistle:

But, eating too much chocolate can kill you, can it not? Putting too much weight on could lead to a heart attack and kill you, why not ban it?

Alcohol is the same, bad liver could lead to death. Oh, something else i love.

Jeez, i'm just one big killing machine. :wink:

But you cannot kill someone else with chocolate!
Ever heared of second-hand smoke?
It's a killer

No, but you can kill yourself and that was one of your arguments. And yeah, i've heard of second-hand smoke, but what is there to say about it? Just don't walk by anyone smoking, easy. :laugh:

[Lance]

Originally posted by Legend
No, but you can kill yourself and that was one of your arguments. And yeah, i've heard of second-hand smoke, but what is there to say about it? Just don't walk by anyone smoking, easy. :laugh:

That's ridiculous.

Do you think people would be dying from it if it was that easy?

[Legend]

Originally posted by Lance
Originally posted by Legend
No, but you can kill yourself and that was one of your arguments. And yeah, i've heard of second-hand smoke, but what is there to say about it? Just don't walk by anyone smoking, easy. :laugh:

That's ridiculous.

Do you think people would be dying from it if it was that easy?

I was being sarcastic. As i said, there is nothing that can be done about passive smoking but if the government keep pushing people out onto the streets to smoke and 'innocent' people walking past are going to inhale it all so people in pubs shirts smell nice after a nightout, what has that solved?

[lily.]

It hasn't solved much to be honest. If they think a smoking ban will address the issue of kids smoking, they are mistaken. If they think it will reduce the number of smokers, again, mistaken.

I just object to the nanny-state we live in most of all. I choose not to smoke, and to drink very rarely. I choose not to take drugs.

I'm pro-choice. As for kids smoking... that's down to the parents to sort out. :thumbs:

[Siouxsie]

Originally posted by Legend
It's all well and good for you non-smokers to say 'ban it' but it's never going to happen, they're not going to ban smoking full stop.

Sue, shall we ban vodka too? Some people don't like it.
Sophie, shall we ban chocolate too? It makes some people feel sick.

:wink:

Anyhow, the goverment are constantly introducing these new rules which IMO cause more trouble than they're worth. As people have said, everyone is outside the pub smoking now. When i was in Scotland the other week, i was walking down and outside all the pubs there were so many people smoking, you know outside were little babies are being pushed in their prams? Little babies wouldn't be in a pub would they? It is stupid. Really, really stupid and comments like that 'just ban it' really gets to me. :tongue:

Fair comment but at least you cant smell the vodka like you can smell smoke and i dont spit vodka in peoples faces like smokers blowing smoke into my eyes and lungs.

[Lance]

Originally posted by Legend
Originally posted by Lance
Originally posted by Legend
No, but you can kill yourself and that was one of your arguments. And yeah, i've heard of second-hand smoke, but what is there to say about it? Just don't walk by anyone smoking, easy. :laugh:

That's ridiculous.

Do you think people would be dying from it if it was that easy?

I was being sarcastic. As i said, there is nothing that can be done about passive smoking but if the government keep pushing people out onto the streets to smoke and 'innocent' people walking past are going to inhale it all so people in pubs shirts smell nice after a nightout, what has that solved?

Well, the fact is that a pub is an enclosed space, where people have to work.

The streets are not.

That's the difference.

[Siouxsie]

Yuk It stinks

[Lauren]

Smoking in confined spaces such as pubs, restaurants, clubs etc I agree with. People who smoke should have a choice whether they want to smoke or not, it's their free decision.... But as a non-smoker I should also have the choice NOT to get passive smoke.

[Siouxsie]

yep me too at least when i drink vodka im not passing it on to anyone else lol

shaggy smokes

It costs me a small fortune on scented candles and air freshener

[Lauren]

Both my parents smoke. I am completely against not having the choice to not breathe in their manky air, haha.

[Siouxsie]

its disgusting :sad:

[andybigbro]

Smoking ban is good imo

[Psylocke]

ITS GREAT here in Ireland,best law EVER

[andybigbro]

lol yeah is it banned in England and Wales too

[Lauren]

Originally posted by andybigbro
lol yeah is it banned in England and Wales too

Parliament are trying to pass it. It's banned in most food-serving bars/restaurants. But they're trying to pass an outright banning law.

[andybigbro]

oh ohright lol

do you smoke lauren

[Lauren]

Haha, nah I don't smoke. Never would and never will :thumbs2:

[andybigbro]

lol me either :hello:

[Diablo]

The ban came into force in March last year in Scotland and as a non-smoker I dont think it was such a good idea.

All the smokers are forced onto the street and I have to climb through a ouff of smoke to get into work or pass crowds of smokers if i'm walking along the pavement going past a pub or something and its not nice.

The street is the most public place and now it is minging.

[Siouxsie]

:whistle::whistle:

[Crystal-Rose]

Good, smokers not only damage themselves but other people around them which is worse than alcohol. They should both be banned all together from public places but people who wish to kill themselves in the long term and be left with no money as they have wasted it all on cigarettes well i geuss thats their decision :bored:

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by Lance
Fair 'nuff. Personally, don't think it should be legalised but we all can't agree.:bigsmile:

I think everyone is pretty much OK with the Smoking Ban here now. At first smokers were a bit peeved with it but just seems like a way of life now.

yeah,its great