Serious Katie question

[Kazanne]

What is it exactly that makes people dislike Katie so much?Yes ,she is a bit of a drama queen,but so is Cher,I do admit I much prefer Katies voice to Chers,I know she has had lots of bad press,but so have the others and do we REALLY believe any of it?she is quite good looking,so what is it that makes people hate her so much?I am serious and curious.

[fruit_cake]

I don't see how she's good looking, but I don't hate her I'm pretty indifferent to her really

[Niamh.]

I really don't think she has a good voice at all, I hate the theatrics and I feel it was so wrong for her to get a place on the lives shows at all

[Tom4784]

The tabloids like to pick out people and turn them into villains, you can't have a compelling story without your heroes and villains. I disregard it all, It's all tosh written by soon to be obsolete failed journalists whose career is fading before their eyes as the print industry is dying a slow painful death.

Katie's fine, she's got an interesting voice and stage presence which is more then you can say for soem others. It's the fact the tabloids have poisoned the stupid masses who've never had an individual thought for themselves against her. If she was a man she'd be a lot more popular.

[Mystic Mock]

shes annoying,has no stage pressence and isnt the best singer.

im actually starting to prefer chers voice to katies.:shocked:

[Kazanne]

I really don't think she has a good voice at all, I hate the theatrics and I feel it was so wrong for her to get a place on the lives shows at all

I DO agree that her or Cher should not have gotten through,but since they did,I cannot see why she SEEMS to be hated by people.I also agree that the tabloids also interfere,but surely people have more sense than believe them.

[Lee.]

I like her and don't really get the hate for her either. I agree she isn't the greatest singer in the competition, but she does have msomething.. She looks the part and in my opinion is ver entertaining. I actually love her face :)

[Niamh.]

I DO agree that her or Cher should not have gotten through,but since they did,I cannot see why she SEEMS to be hated by people.

well, I just find her irritating in general, her voice(speaking), the whole drama of everything, the fact that she's been in the bottom 3 times (rightly so) but the judges still haven't gotten rid of her eventhough it's clearly what the public want

[Tom4784]

well, I just find her irritating in general, her voice(speaking), the whole drama of everything, the fact that she's been in the bottom 3 times (rightly so) but the judges still haven't gotten rid of her eventhough it's clearly what the public want

The public are idiots though, Katie should have stayed over the people she bested in the bottom 2 as they all were quite terrible. FYD might as well have been a dance troupe, Belle Amie were never going to go anywhere and Treyc had a decent voice but no artistic drive, she was a lounge singer at best.

[tate]

i think hate is too strong a word though i cannot warm to her or like the girld. for me personally it is the desperation ... she reeks of it and reminds me of them type of women who will sleep with footballers just to get their mugs in to the news of the world on a sunday

it is a personal thing i think. i dislike anyone with that vein running through them, people with nothing but fame in mind and would step over their own mother for press attention ... katie price is a prime example of this and i see katie in that same thread

i must also add, i have barely noticed her voice or how she looks due to all of this. it is a shame, imo, that some people are so fame hungry that they cannot see that the fact that even though they may be a lovely person it is overshadowed by all of the drama, theatrics, press stories etc

on her 1st audition i remember 3 seconds after she had come on stage saying to my husband "this girl is gonna be trouble" then after her pleas to sing at last i remember remarking "nightmare" - i still feel this way now

[Kazanne]

well, I just find her irritating in general, her voice(speaking), the whole drama of everything, the fact that she's been in the bottom 3 times (rightly so) but the judges still haven't gotten rid of her eventhough it's clearly what the public want

Fair enough,I quite like that huskiness in her voice,lol.I prefer Wagner to go as I think it is now coming to the point where good singers will be voted out.I know the voters want to piss the judges off,but surely getting rid of Cher or Katie would be more effective in that respect.

[Niamh.]

The public are idiots though, Katie should have stayed over the people she bested in the bottom 2 as they all were quite terrible. FYD might as well have been a dance troupe, Belle Amie were never going to go anywhere and Treyc had a decent voice but no artistic drive, she was a lounge singer at best.

Belle Amie should have stayed over Katie as well as Treyc. The Public (idiots) are the ones who will eventually be buying the music that the contestants make so their say should count imo

[Crimson Dynamo]

she has a certain Je ne sais pas

[Jack_]

For once I agree with you on something - the press and comments across various websites etc she is receiving is bordering on bullying, IMO. Some of the bile spouted has been absolutely disgusting. And I fail to understand what there is to hate about her? She's not murdered anyone, she's not committed any crimes - she's just ambitious. What's to hate about that? Some people are acting like she's a serial killer - it's pathetic.

I agree with Dezzy when it comes to the tabloids though, and I cannot believe masses off people lap it up. It baffles me how many gullible fools there are that will just believe anything they read and then pass on these stories to other fools, in turn making more and more people believe them. I just find it so...odd, how can people be so stupid?

Katie has a decent voice, not the strongest, but a nice tone. More importantly she has stage presence and personality, which as someone else said is more than can be said for a lot of the other contestants. And she also has the right image. She has the 'X Factor' - some people seem to mistake this as being purely a singing competition. It's not.

So I'm not sure what it is - either people don't like ambition, they're jealous, or they're just simply lapping up what they read in the papers. Whatever it is - they need to find something else to do, quite frankly.

[Niamh.]

For once I agree with you on something - the press and comments across various websites etc she is receiving is bordering on bullying, IMO. Some of the bile spouted has been absolutely disgusting. And I fail to understand what there is to hate about her? She's not murdered anyone, she's not committed any crimes - she's just ambitious. What's to hate about that? Some people are acting like she's a serial killer - it's pathetic.

I agree with Dezzy when it comes to the tabloids though, and I cannot believe masses off people lap it up. It baffles me how many gullible fools there are that will just believe anything they read and then pass on these stories to other fools, in turn making more and more people believe them. I just find it so...odd, how can people be so stupid?

Katie has a decent voice, not the strongest, but a nice tone. More importantly she has stage presence and personality, which as someone else said is more than can be said for a lot of the other contestants. And she also has the right image. She has the 'X Factor' - some people seem to mistake this as being purely a singing competition. It's not.

So I'm not sure what it is - either people don't like ambition, they're jealous, or they're just simply lapping up what they read in the papers. Whatever it is - they need to find something else to do, quite frankly.

She obviously doesn't have the X-Factor though, if she did people would actually like her!

[Jack_]

Belle Amie should have stayed over Katie as well as Treyc. The Public (idiots) are the ones who will eventually be buying the music that the contestants make so their say should count imo

Eh? Belle Amie were terrible - no stage presence, nothing individual about them whatsoever. TreyC was just the same, really.

[Niamh.]

Eh? Belle Amie were terrible - no stage presence, nothing individual about them whatsoever. TreyC was just the same, really.

Your opinion. I liked Belle Amie

[Vicky.]

I dont hate her. I just dont particularly like her...I dont think she should still be there. thats all.

Though i can think of a couple who are worse than her

[Novo]

She obviously doesn't have the X-Factor though, if she did people would actually like her!

People do like her.. the minority of very clever people who can see when someone has the X factor.. unluckily the Idiots in the Majority can't see it

[Crimson Dynamo]

People do like her.. the minority of very clever people who can see when someone has the X factor.. unluckily the Idiots in the Majority can't see it

she appeals to a higher intellect it would seem

[Vicky.]

So I'm not sure what it is - either people don't like ambition, they're jealous, or they're just simply lapping up what they read in the papers. Whatever it is - they need to find something else to do, quite frankly.

Or maybe, I'll put myself out on a limb here...maybe they just, dont like her?

You dont have to be jealous or believe everything in the papers to not think someone is great :)

[Jack_]

She obviously doesn't have the X-Factor though, if she did people would actually like her!

...or not, because as I said masses of people are lapping up the stories in the press and then letting it hinder their opinion of her. You can deny it all you want, but that's the truth and there is no denying that tabloids have a very large effect on things on TV and in the media [and often a negative impact - like here].

The 'X Factor' is made up of a number of different factors - vocal talent, stage presence, image and personality. She has three of those and a decent vocal talent. That's near enough the 'X Factor'. Whether people 'like' her or not is irrelevant, the public are ****ing clueless when it comes to these shows [especially recently] - eleven series' of Big Brother proved that.

[Tom4784]

Belle Amie should have stayed over Katie as well as Treyc. The Public (idiots) are the ones who will eventually be buying the music that the contestants make so their say should count imo

I disagree, BA and Treyc had no potential, they'll be lighting up the Butlins stage at best. With Katie she's at least got a direction and her own style and she knows what she is and what she wants to do as an artist and she's certainly better suited to the stage then the people she put paid to in the singoff.

If we based it off sales then we'd have rubbish dance based artists and Duck Sauce winning the X Factor, just because something sells well or is popular doesn't mean it's good.

[Stacey.]

I do actually like her voice... and she seems sort of sweet aswell.

[tate]

have to say that i agree that you cannot believe everything read in the tabloids, however there is no smoke without fire and that girl seems to be carrying a lit match and a can of petrol

[Jack_]

Or maybe, I'll put myself out on a limb here...maybe they just, dont like her?

You dont have to be jealous or believe everything in the papers to not think someone is great :)

What is there not to like though? That's what I've asked numerous times and have never seemed to receive a decent, informed answer. Most of it has just been things relating to stories in the press - thus proving my belief that they've had a very negative impact and have hindered people's opinions of her.

Is it her ambition? What exactly is there not to like? Because from most comments, you would think she's killed someone...

[Tom4784]

have to say that i agree that you cannot believe everything read in the tabloids, however there is no smoke without fire and that girl seems to be carrying a lit match and a can of petrol

That's a rubbish way to look at things though, if Katie wasn't there it'd be someone else who would be made into the villain. The tabloids lie a disgusting amount. There's hardly ever an ounce of truth within them.

You can't really say you don't believe in what the tabloids say and the say there's no smoke without fire, that's hypocritical.

[Vicky.]

What is there not to like though? That's what I've asked numerous times and have never seemed to receive a decent, informed answer. Most of it has just been things relating to stories in the press - thus proving my belief that they've had a very negative impact and have hindered people's opinions of her.

Is it her ambition? What exactly is there not to like? Because from most comments, you would think she's killed someone...

I just do not like her voice, I dislike all the over the top dramatics, such as collapsing on stage too.

That may not be a 'good enough' reason for you, but thats my opinion.

[Z]

I disliked her based on her audition; she has a very grating personality. That, coupled with the outrage surrounding Cheryl's decision making at judges' houses, has turned people against her. From then on I think it's just been based on tabloid lies and supposition from the general public: Katie was on in the latter half of the first four live shows and kept being saved in the sing off - Treyc v Katie being the icing on the cake. I think people are convinced there's a conspiracy theory involved (and there is a fair amount of stuff to base that view on, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with it) and are determined to dislike her because of it. She's a scapegoat in the same way that Wagner is a scapegoat to stick a middle finger up at the X Factor.

Having said that, I've felt sorry for her ever since the tabloids started a bandwagon of hate against her; she doesn't deserve any of it.

[patsylimerick]

For once I agree with you on something - the press and comments across various websites etc she is receiving is bordering on bullying, IMO. Some of the bile spouted has been absolutely disgusting. And I fail to understand what there is to hate about her? She's not murdered anyone, she's not committed any crimes - she's just ambitious. What's to hate about that? Some people are acting like she's a serial killer - it's pathetic.

I agree with Dezzy when it comes to the tabloids though, and I cannot believe masses off people lap it up. It baffles me how many gullible fools there are that will just believe anything they read and then pass on these stories to other fools, in turn making more and more people believe them. I just find it so...odd, how can people be so stupid?

Katie has a decent voice, not the strongest, but a nice tone. More importantly she has stage presence and personality, which as someone else said is more than can be said for a lot of the other contestants. And she also has the right image. She has the 'X Factor' - some people seem to mistake this as being purely a singing competition. It's not.

So I'm not sure what it is - either people don't like ambition, they're jealous, or they're just simply lapping up what they read in the papers. Whatever it is - they need to find something else to do, quite frankly.

Well I've never made a comment re Katie's appearance before, but I wouldn't consider her to be particularly pretty. She's a bit masculine. A cursory glance across to board shows much more personal and derogatory comments about Rebecca's appearance, to be honest - perhaps because she's vocally so strong. As to katie's voice, I think it's very, very weak. It's husky, but so's my nan's. In relation to the tabloids, I don't read them, so I've no idea what they're saying about her, other than that I read on here that she claimed a relationship with Matt that he subsequently denied. That wouldn't impact on my opinion either way. The over-acting and dramatics I find embarrassing. There's nothing at all wrong with ambition, but the sense of entitlement, narcissism and arrogance that both Katie and Cher give off are, frankly, funny, given that they are, for me, the two weakest, most contrived and derivative acts in the competition.
It's hilarious when anyone brands someone a fool or stupid or gullible for not liking someone. It's an opinion. This is an opinion forum.

[tate]

That's a rubbish way to look at things though, if Katie wasn't there it'd be someone else who would be made into the villain. The tabloids lie a disgusting amount. There's hardly ever an ounce of truth within them.

You can't really say you don't believe in what the tabloids say and the say there's no smoke without fire, that's hypocritical.

i disagree Dezzy, the tabloids tend to exagerate stories and often take things in a different context however there is almost always a basis to go on so to suggest that every story is untrue is ridiculous, there would be lawsuits galore if that were the case and the press complaints commision crawling all over them

Although you are correct, if it wasnt katie it would be someone else however i still stand by the no smoke no fire comment i made

[Tom4784]

i disagree Dezzy, the tabloids tend to exagerate stories and often take things in a different context however there is almost always a basis to go on so to suggest that every story is untrue is ridiculous, there would be lawsuits galore if that were the case and the press complaints commision crawling all over them

Although you are correct, if it wasnt katie it would be someone else however i still stand by the no smoke no fire comment i made

There wouldn't actually because most tabloids use 'unnamed sources' or 'insiders', if you look at most of the quotes in those articles the language and style is always similar because hardly any 'insiders' are real. It's just a way for the media to print BS as due to the freedom of the press they don't have to give up their sources so it's tricky to prove most of it wrong. They print lies, but they almost always make sure they're covered by this first.

[Jack_]

I just do not like her voice, I dislike all the over the top dramatics, such as collapsing on stage too.

That may not be a 'good enough' reason for you, but thats my opinion.

Well I've never made a comment re Katie's appearance before, but I wouldn't consider her to be particularly pretty. She's a bit masculine. A cursory glance across to board shows much more personal and derogatory comments about Rebecca's appearance, to be honest - perhaps because she's vocally so strong. As to katie's voice, I think it's very, very weak. It's husky, but so's my nan's. In relation to the tabloids, I don't read them, so I've no idea what they're saying about her, other than that I read on here that she claimed a relationship with Matt that he subsequently denied. That wouldn't impact on my opinion either way. The over-acting and dramatics I find embarrassing. There's nothing at all wrong with ambition, but the sense of entitlement, narcissism and arrogance that both Katie and Cher give off are, frankly, funny, given that they are, for me, the two weakest, most contrived and derivative acts in the competition.
It's hilarious when anyone brands someone a fool or stupid or gullible for not liking someone. It's an opinion. This is an opinion forum.

Quoted both of you at the same time regarding the same point - what 'dramatics'? I personally believe that's just her 'quirkyness'.

Especially regarding the 'falling on the floor' incident - has the thought crossed anyones mind, that, you know...she's just...had enough of all of the hate? Like I said, it's bordering on or practically the equivalent of bullying. I expect by that point she thought she was going home [like most people, including myself], knew people weren't going to change their [misguided] opinions of her - and so just thought aloud and said 'sod it'. Seems fair enough to me, afterall, some of the stuff that has been written about her is not only unfair, but it's disgusting.

And I don't think she's 'arrogant' either - why does having self-belief and confidence make someone arrogant? She'd be arrogant if she said 'I'm the best here, I'm the Queen of the world, I am so amazing, everyone should bow down to me' etc etc etc - but she hasn't. So why is she arrogant?

And to pastylimerick - I called the people who lap up the stories in the press 'gullible fools'.

[Angus]

she has a certain Je ne sais pas

"Quoi"?:joker:

[nanaimo]

i haven't read much about Katie in the tabloids, i don't care actually, my judgement on her is purely her behavior and her performances. hope she goes!

[Angus]

she appeals to a higher intellect it would seem

That would be it:pat:

[patsylimerick]

Re the tabloids, Jack, fair enough. But on the dramatics, she was like this from the very first audition, and never more so than when she batting the false icicles in the judge's house and seemed, to me, to be completely over dramatising the situation. To be honest, I didn't so much mind the 'sod it'. It was the first time I kinda smiled in a nice way in response to her. Still think she's a drama queen of the highest order, though. I think her image is way, way too try hard and her voice is very weak.

[Angus]

i haven't read much about Katie in the tabloids, i don't care actually, my judgement on her is purely her behavior and her performances. hope she goes!

Don't worry, she will go this week:thumbs:

[Vicky.]

Quoted both of you at the same time regarding the same point - what 'dramatics'? I personally believe that's just her 'quirkyness'.

Especially regarding the 'falling on the floor' incident - has the thought crossed anyones mind, that, you know...she's just...had enough of all of the hate? Like I said, it's bordering on or practically the equivalent of bullying. I expect by that point she thought she was going home [like most people, including myself], knew people weren't going to change their [misguided] opinions of her - and so just thought aloud and said 'sod it'. Seems fair enough to me, afterall, some of the stuff that has been written about her is not only unfair, but it's disgusting.


It is my opinion that it is over the top dramatics, nothing more, and I find it pathetic.

Is that ok with you?

I think its about time you realised that not everyone thinks the same as you, or will support the same people as you do, for various reasons. Noones opinion is wrong, and noones is right, its an OPINION. It doesnt have to be explained.

The world would be a pretty boring place if everyone was the same.

[nanaimo]

:cheer:It is my opinion that it is over the top dramatics, nothing more, and I find it pathetic.

Is that ok with you?

I think its about time you realised that not everyone thinks the same as you, or will support the same people as you do, for various reasons. Noones opinion is wrong, and noones is right, its an OPINION. It doesnt have to be explained.

The world would be a pretty boring place if everyone was the same.

:cheer:

[Jack_]

It is my opinion that it is over the top dramatics, nothing more, and I find it pathetic.

Is that ok with you?

I think its about time you realised that not everyone thinks the same as you, or will support the same people as you do, for various reasons. Noones opinion is wrong, and noones is right, its an OPINION. It doesnt have to be explained.

The world would be a pretty boring place if everyone was the same.

I know it would - and it would also be a pretty boring place if debate didn't exist and people weren't allowed to challenge other people's opinions. That is essentially what a forum is for, right? And that's all I'm doing - challenging yours [and other people's] opinions regarding Katie, questioning why you dislike her, and then challenging those answers. What's the point in having this forum if we can't do that and we have to sit back and just state our opinions and then leave?

I never said people aren't entitled to their opinions, of course they are - but I, along with everyone else, am entitled to question those opinions, along with the validity and coherence of those opinions - amongst other things. Justifying [or 'explaining'] your opinion is part of debate - if someone isn't willing to justify their opinion, either they shouldn't be on a debate forum or their 'opinion' or 'argument' isn't strong enough.

I have had my opinions regarding favourites questioned before - and I have happily justified my reasoning and debated with them. The same applies to me when questioning other people's opinions - it's nothing to do with 'realising everyone doesn't think the same as me'.

[Vicky.]

I know it would - and it would also be a pretty boring place if debate didn't exist and people weren't allowed to challenge other people's opinions. That is essentially what a forum is for, right? And that's all I'm doing - challenging yours [and other people's] opinions regarding Katie, questioning why you dislike her, and then challenging those answers. What's the point in having this forum if we can't do that and we have to sit back and just state our opinions and then leave?

I never said people aren't entitled to their opinions, of course they are - but I, along with everyone else, am entitled to question those opinions, along with the validity and coherence of those opinions - amongst other things. Justifying [or 'explaining'] your opinion is part of debate - if someone isn't willing to justify their opinion, either they shouldn't be on a debate forum or their 'opinion' or 'argument' isn't strong enough.

I have had my opinions regarding favourites questioned before - and I have happily justified my reasoning and debated with them. The same applies to me when questioning other people's opinions - it's nothing to do with 'realising everyone doesn't think the same as me'.

But you dont challenge peoples opinions. You try to make out as if they are just total bollocks. Especially since this x factor started. I noticed it during BB, but it has got worse recently.

Saying things like you are yet to see 'a valid reason' for disliking her and stuff like that. Why does one need their opinion validated by you?

I have already replied with my reasoning for disliking her, and you are just trying to rubbish everyone elses opinions, either by accusing them or being jealous...or being sheep who believe everything they read in the papers. You seem incapable of understanding the fact that people do dislike her for other reasons apart from what you have drummed into your head.

or their 'opinion' or 'argument' isn't strong enough. And this part is just totally laughable :laugh2:

I dislike her because I dont like her voice, and I believe she is an attention seeker, and quite pathetic. I find this to be a valid enough reason. Yet you are still trying to make out as if it isnt.

Go try and patronize someone else, doesnt work with me :)

[Benjamin]

Just to throw some meat to the lion cage that is this thread, I love Katie but can see why people dislike her :wink:

[Jack_]

But you dont challenge peoples opinions. You try to make out as if they are just total bollocks. Especially since this x factor started. I noticed it during BB, but it has got worse recently.

Only when I believe they are 'total bollocks', yes...otherwise, no...

Examples of this are people that evidently lap up things they read in the tabloids, or when people supported dull housemates during BB which in turn ruined the show, when they are supposed to be 'fans'. I will happily admit when I think people's opinions are 'total bollocks', infact I would state it in the post - but due to the rules there's no point in me getting an infraction.

Saying things like you are yet to see 'a valid reason' for disliking her and stuff like that. Why does one need their opinion validated by you?

And this part is just totally laughable :laugh2:

I dislike her because I dont like her voice, and I believe she is an attention seeker, and quite pathetic. I find this to be a valid enough reason. Yet you are still trying to make out as if it isnt.

I never said 'by me' - by anyone. An example of an invalid reason would be to the people that didn't like it when she said 'sod it' on Sunday night - at the end of the day she's been on the receiving end of a lot of hatred, so I don't blame her for essentially 'giving up'. I can't see how that is being dramatic at all [she can be a drama queen at times, that much I will admit - but it's part of the reason why I believe she has personality]. A valid opinion is that you don't like her voice - fair enough, that's your opinion - I accept that. I like it. You and others don't. Fair enough. The only point I've disputed is that she has the personality, image and stage presence to back it up.

I have already replied with my reasoning for disliking her, and you are just trying to rubbish everyone elses opinions, either by accusing them or being jealous...or being sheep who believe everything they read in the papers. You seem incapable of understanding the fact that people do dislike her for other reasons apart from what you have drummed into your head.

No - I accept that people don't like her voice, but I keep reiterating this is not just a singing competition. And she has stage presence and personality. That part [especially stage presence] I don't believe can be an opinion - you either have it or you don't. I can't stand Elvis' music, but there is no denying he had stage presence.


Go try and patronize someone else, doesnt work with me :)

I'm not patronising you? Where have you felt I 'patronised you'? :conf:

Wasn't my intention either way...

[Niamh.]

...or not, because as I said masses of people are lapping up the stories in the press and then letting it hinder their opinion of her. You can deny it all you want, but that's the truth and there is no denying that tabloids have a very large effect on things on TV and in the media [and often a negative impact - like here].

The 'X Factor' is made up of a number of different factors - vocal talent, stage presence, image and personality. She has three of those and a decent vocal talent. That's near enough the 'X Factor'. Whether people 'like' her or not is irrelevant, the public are ****ing clueless when it comes to these shows [especially recently] - eleven series' of Big Brother proved that.

The "X-Factor" is something about a person, that you can't quite put your finger on that makes you really like them and makes them captivating. If Katie was in possession of this she would be getting alot of votes and would not be in the bottom 2 3 times. Do I have to remind you that it is the public who will eventually be buying the music that the winner makes so they're the ones who should be deciding who has the X Factor and who doesn't.

Please don't tell me why I don't like her because you obviously don't have a clue, I can guarantee that it's nothing to do with newspaper articles.

[Vicky.]

I'm not patronising you? Where have you felt I 'patronised you'? :conf:

Wasn't my intention either way...

I didnt mean me specifically. But I am included in the collective. Since you seem to reckon that the majority of people who dislike her, dislike her because they lap up all the tabloid bull.

I think you really need to give people more credit. Obviously SOME will be swayed by the tabloids, but I doubt it is anywhere near as many as you seem to believe. Most people vote based on how the act is on the night...nothing to do with papers.

[Jack_]

The "X-Factor" is something about a person, that you can't quite put your finger on that makes you really like them and makes them captivating. If Katie was in possession of this she would be getting alot of votes and would not be in the bottom 2 3 times. Do I have to remind you that it is the public who will eventually be being the music that the winner makes so they're the ones who should be deciding who has the X Factor and who doesn't.

...not necessarily. To a lot of people this is just light-hearted Saturday/Sunday night entertainment, which is the main driving point of the show [and any TV show for that matter] before singing/performing/music even comes into it.

And also - if they will be the ones who are eventually buying the music the winner releases, how come Leon failed? And Joe [although I wouldn't call him a failure just yet, just failing...slightly]? Even Steve? What happened there then? Why did they chose them as winners if they weren't going to suppor them after the show?

Voters and buyers are two very different sets of people - there are crossovers but ultimately not all voters will be buyers, especially when you have to factor in people that download illegally, people that treat the show as light-entertainment, people that don't like the music the winner releases [or mainstream music for that matter], people that forget about the previous winners due to their albums being delayed until the October of the next year, etc etc. Trust me - they don't always know what they're doing.


Please don't tell me why I don't like her because you obviously don't have a clue, I can guarantee that it's nothing to do with newspaper articles.

Then what is it then?

[Danielle1232]

Katie's Well Good :O





And ahm back,Well i was back yesterday but still likes lol.

[Niamh.]

...not necessarily. To a lot of people this is just light-hearted Saturday/Sunday night entertainment, which is the main driving point of the show [and any TV show for that matter] before singing/performing/music even comes into it.

And also - if they will be the ones who are eventually buying the music the winner releases, how come Leon failed? And Joe [although I wouldn't call him a failure just yet, just failing...slightly]? Even Steve? What happened there then? Why did they chose them as winners if they weren't going to suppor them after the show?

Voters and buyers are two very different sets of people - there are crossovers but ultimately not all voters will be buyers, especially when you have to factor in people that download illegally, people that treat the show as light-entertainment, people that don't like the music the winner releases [or mainstream music for that matter], people that forget about the previous winners due to their albums being delayed until the October of the next year, etc etc. Trust me - they don't always know what they're doing.

The examples that you gave were in my opinion, the best of a bad lot most likely. This is a TV Show manufacturing a singer chances are 9/10 of them will fail. They don't make their own music and I would doubt after their year is up get much attention from the record company tbh.

I would hazard a guess here and say that "real" music fans who don't watch X-Factor would never even consider buying an X-Factor winners album anyway.


Then what is it then?

where to start! first and foremost I don't like her voice, she's murdered pretty much every song she's sung so far (the ones she's remembered the words to anyway!)
I dont think she should have gotten through to the live shows over much more talented girls (who remembered the words to their songs)
Her dramatics piss me right off, sitting on the floor and saying "sod it" for example.
And she just generally irritates me, the sound of her voice (speaking) grates on me nearly as much as her singing voice.

[Jack_]

I didnt mean me specifically. But I am included in the collective. Since you seem to reckon that the majority of people who dislike her, dislike her because they lap up all the tabloid bull.

I think you really need to give people more credit. Obviously SOME will be swayed by the tabloids, but I doubt it is anywhere near as many as you seem to believe. Most people vote based on how the act is on the night...nothing to do with papers.

I genuinely believe that a lot of people are swayed and hindered by the tabloids. It is, afterall, the media/tabloids that escalated 'Sachsgate' completely out of control, making more people complain for no reason - most of whom who hadn't even listened to the audio, just thought they'd jump on the bandwagon and complain because everyone else was. That's just one example of the sort of effect the media/papers have.

I'm not saying everyone is, just a lot. And to those that genuinely aren't swayed by the tabloids, all I'm interested in is to why people don't like her and spout bile [or believe she deserves it] at her all the time. That's all.

[Jack_]

The examples that you gave were in my opinion, the best of a bad lot most likely. This is a TV Show manufacturing a singer chances are 9/10 of them will fail.

Don't agree with that. Rhydian >>>>>> Leon especially

They don't make their own music and I would doubt after their year is up get much attention from the record company tbh.

Don't agree with this either. These are Syco's current artists:

# Westlife (2002–present)
# Il Divo (2004–present)
# Shayne Ward (2005–present)
# Leona Lewis (2006–present)
# Alexandra Burke (2008–present)
# Andrew Johnston (2008–present)
# Susan Boyle (2009–present)
# Joe McElderry (2009–present)
# Olly Murs (2010–present)
# Labrinth (2010–present)[6]
# Jackie Evancho (2010-present)

Seven of those are artists from TV talent shows. Their previous artists are exactly the same, except there's eight:

* Gareth Gates (2002–2006, dropped/left)[8]
* Steve Brookstein (2004–2005, dropped)
* Bianca Ryan (2006–2008, dropped/left)
* Angelis (2006–2007, dropped/disbanded)
* Leon Jackson (2007–2009, dropped)
* Same Difference (2007–2009, dropped)[9]
* George Sampson (2008–2009, dropped)[10]
* Rhydian (2007–2010, left)[11]
* Paul Potts (2007–2010, dropped/left)[12]
* Escala (2008–2010, dropped)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syco

All the attention will be on them. And the fact that they don't make their own music is irrelevant, considering 90% of mainstream artists nowadays don't make their own music. It's the world we live in - that's the way the market works.

where to start! first and foremost I don't like her voice, she's murdered pretty much every song she's sung so far (the ones she's remembered the words to anyway!)
I dont think she should have gotten through to the live shows over much more talented girls (who remembered the words to their songs)
Her dramatics piss me right off, sitting on the floor and saying "sod it" for example.
And she just generally irritates me, the sound of her voice (speaking) grates on me nearly as much as her singing voice.

Regarding her voice - fair enough.

Regarding the 'other talented girls' - I disagree, as although they had good vocal talent, they had no stage presence or personality and Katie's image is/was far superior to theirs. I genuinely think Cheryl picked the right three initially, they were easily the most diverse and interesting of the eight - that's something that not only makes a good category, but it makes a good show as well - and of course entertainment is the main factor in creating this show.

Regarding the 'sod it' - like I said, how do you think she feels after being subjected to weeks and weeks of unnecessary abuse and bile being spouted at her in the press and online? She must feel hated. And for someone that's done nothing wrong, except star in a television show [where Cheryl decided to put her through, not herself] and be ambitious - that's got to be hard to deal with. People act like she's murdered someone. It's no surprise that one day she would get fed up with it and so she just happened to think aloud 'sod it'. I think she expected she would be going anyway [like we all did, including myself] - and so there was, essentially, no 'point'.

[Niamh.]

Don't agree with that. Rhydian >>>>>> Leon especially



Don't agree with this either. These are Syco's current artists:

# Westlife (2002–present)
# Il Divo (2004–present)
# Shayne Ward (2005–present)
# Leona Lewis (2006–present)
# Alexandra Burke (2008–present)
# Andrew Johnston (2008–present)
# Susan Boyle (2009–present)
# Joe McElderry (2009–present)
# Olly Murs (2010–present)
# Labrinth (2010–present)[6]
# Jackie Evancho (2010-present)

Seven of those are artists from TV talent shows. Their previous artists are exactly the same, except there's eight:

* Gareth Gates (2002–2006, dropped/left)[8]
* Steve Brookstein (2004–2005, dropped)
* Bianca Ryan (2006–2008, dropped/left)
* Angelis (2006–2007, dropped/disbanded)
* Leon Jackson (2007–2009, dropped)
* Same Difference (2007–2009, dropped)[9]
* George Sampson (2008–2009, dropped)[10]
* Rhydian (2007–2010, left)[11]
* Paul Potts (2007–2010, dropped/left)[12]
* Escala (2008–2010, dropped)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syco

All the attention will be on them. And the fact that they don't make their own music is irrelevant, considering 90% of mainstream artists nowadays don't make their own music. It's the world we live in - that's the way the market works.



Regarding her voice - fair enough.

Regarding the 'other talented girls' - I disagree, as although they had good vocal talent, they had no stage presence or personality and Katie's image is/was far superior to theirs. I genuinely think Cheryl picked the right three initially, they were easily the most diverse and interesting of the eight - that's something that not only makes a good category, but it makes a good show as well - and of course entertainment is the main factor in creating this show.

Regarding the 'sod it' - like I said, how do you think she feels after being subjected to weeks and weeks of unnecessary abuse and bile being spouted at her in the press and online? She must feel hated. And for someone that's done nothing wrong, except star in a television show [where Cheryl decided to put her through, not herself] and be ambitious - that's got to be hard to deal with. People act like she's murdered someone. It's no surprise that one day she would get fed up with it and so she just happened to think aloud 'sod it'. I think she expected she would be going anyway [like we all did, including myself] - and so there was, essentially, no 'point'.

They are my reasons for disliking her, why are you so sure that's her reason for saying sod it? Do you not think it's more likely that it was because...........she........I dunno........forgot the words to the song.............again?

[Jack_]

They are my reasons for disliking her, why are you so sure that's her reason for saying sod it? Do you not think it's more likely that it was because...........she........I dunno........forgot the words to the song.............again?

No - or else she would've just given up completely or said so, like she did last time, wouldn't she?

I think the fact that she brokedown in tears and distress both last week and this week proves that she is on the edge of being, if not emotionally unstable. And why would that be?

[Niamh.]

No - or else she would've just given up completely or said so, like she did last time, wouldn't she?

I think the fact that she brokedown in tears and distress both last week and this week proves that she is on the edge of being, if not emotionally unstable. And why would that be?

Not on a live show no I dont think so.

Cos she knows she's not good enough and the public want her out maybe? She'd want to toughen up a bit if she cant handle a nit of bad press, she wouldn't last two minutes in the spot light if that's the case

[Jack_]

Not on a live show no I dont think so.

Cos she knows she's not good enough and the public want her out maybe?

...or maybe that she's been on the receiving end of endless, disgusting comments and press, like I said?

She'd want to toughen up a bit if she cant handle a nit of bad press, she wouldn't last two minutes in the spot light if that's the case

A 'bit' of bad press? Really? There's been far more than just a 'bit' of bad press...

And to be fair all of these acts are just starting out in the spotlight, one minute they were nobodies and the next minute they've been thrown into the public eye. It's a very fast moving process and something that I'm sure everyone can imagine, takes a lot of getting used to. I'm sure once she's got used to the industry she'd adjust to the negative press she's bound to receive - but after five weeks in a TV talent show, I think you're asking for a bit much, to be quite honest.

[Niamh.]

...or maybe that she's been on the receiving end of endless, disgusting comments and press, like I said?



A 'bit' of bad press? Really? There's been far more than just a 'bit' of bad press...

And to be fair all of these acts are just starting out in the spotlight, one minute they were nobodies and the next minute they've been thrown into the public eye. It's a very fast moving process and something that I'm sure everyone can imagine, takes a lot of getting used to. I'm sure once she's got used to the industry she'd adjust to the negative press she's bound to receive - but after five weeks in a TV talent show, I think you're asking for a bit much, to be quite honest.

what disgusting comments exactly? all I've seen is articles about her being melo dramatic which she seems to back up every week on the show and that she doesn't deserve to be on the show after messing up her audition which I fully agree with.

Danyl last year was subjected to worse press imo and he never fell apart like she did

[Jack_]

what disgusting comments exactly? all I've seen is articles about her being melo dramatic which she seems to back up every week on the show and that she doesn't deserve to be on the show after messing up her audition which I fully agree with.

Danyl last year was subjected to worse press imo and he never fell apart like she did

Well for starters the nickname 'Weasel' isn't exactly nice, is it? And then there's the small matter of people on internet forums criticising her appearance [mainly her chin] - both examples of what bullies in schools tend to pick on. And then there's the people that have called her, or insinuated that she is a 'slag' - hardly the nicest of comments either.

Oh and then there's the tags of the 'Most Hated Reality TV Contestant Ever' or 'National Hate Figure' in the press. How would that make someone feel?

Danyl received nowhere near as bad [or as much] press as Katie does.

[ElProximo]

What is it exactly that makes people dislike Katie so much?Yes ,she is a bit of a drama queen,but so is Cher,I do admit I much prefer Katies voice to Chers,I know she has had lots of bad press,but so have the others and do we REALLY believe any of it?she is quite good looking,so what is it that makes people hate her so much?I am serious and curious.

Cher is just as much a 'drama queen' and I think that is the explanation and answer. Girl fight.
It is the best way to inflame a fan-girl war. Cher versus Katie = massive voting and viewers and online hype.

But outside that - I don't know why anyone is especially concerned with getting rid of her so quickly.
Aiden is dreadful and actually painful to watch. The Boy Band is still taking up space. Cher is, at best, only a slightly better singer.

So yeah.. I see her as 1 of about 4 or 5 who can go now. Not something special.
personally, I could easily see Boy Band and Grim Grimshaw disappear first.

[Niamh.]

Well for starters the nickname 'Weasel' isn't exactly nice, is it? And then there's the small matter of people on internet forums criticising her appearance [mainly her chin] - both examples of what bullies in schools tend to pick on. And then there's the people that have called her, or insinuated that she is a 'slag' - hardly the nicest of comments either.

Oh and then there's the tags of the 'Most Hated Reality TV Contestant Ever' or 'National Hate Figure' in the press. How would that make someone feel?

Danyl received nowhere near as bad [or as much] press as Katie does.

Oh get a grip Jack, she's not the first nor will she be the last, X-Factor, BB or any reality show contestant to get mocked. If she can't take the heat she needs to get out of the kitchen.

[fruit_cake]

I dont think its Katie's fault the public hate her, Its Cheryls fault for putting her through... she should never have been in the competition in the first place!! Gamu was just too ugly to be in Cheryl's gang.. simple as that

[Novo]

Someone needs to get a grip in this thread and it's not Jack.. comparing Danyl and Katie in relation to the press is the worst thing i have ever read on this forum...

[Jack_]

Oh get a grip Jack, she's not the first nor will she be the last, X-Factor, BB or any reality show contestant to get mocked. If she can't take the heat she needs to get out of the kitchen.

...yes, because the number of past and future people being introduced into the public eye to get 'mocked' by people and the press really excuses the comments that they all received/will receive, doesn't it?

[Niamh.]

Someone needs to get a grip in this thread and it's not Jack.. comparing Danyl and Katie in relation to the press is the worst thing i have ever read on this forum...

Is it you?

[Novo]

Is it you?

No it is you... but i don't think i need to tell you that..

[Niamh.]

...yes, because the number of past and future people being introduced into the public eye to get 'mocked' by people and the press really excuses the comments that they all received/will receive, doesn't it?

If you didn't like Katie Jack you wouldn't even care lets be honest

[Niamh.]

No it is you... but i don't think i need to tell you that..

Well, we're all entitled to our opinions Andy:hugesmile:

[MeMyselfAndI]

...or not, because as I said masses of people are lapping up the stories in the press and then letting it hinder their opinion of her. You can deny it all you want, but that's the truth and there is no denying that tabloids have a very large effect on things on TV and in the media [and often a negative impact - like here].

The 'X Factor' is made up of a number of different factors - vocal talent, stage presence, image and personality. She has three of those and a decent vocal talent. That's near enough the 'X Factor'. Whether people 'like' her or not is irrelevant, the public are ****ing clueless when it comes to these shows [especially recently] - eleven series' of Big Brother proved that.

Danyl had awful press. and was in the bottom 2 once (by 0.1%). He did amazing all series, and had probably worse press than Katie. He was actually liked.. So katie just sucks

[Mystic Mock]

I didnt mean me specifically. But I am included in the collective. Since you seem to reckon that the majority of people who dislike her, dislike her because they lap up all the tabloid bull.

I think you really need to give people more credit. Obviously SOME will be swayed by the tabloids, but I doubt it is anywhere near as many as you seem to believe. Most people vote based on how the act is on the night...nothing to do with papers.

i agree with this as i dont read the papers,i can just tell that shes annoying on the live show.

[MeMyselfAndI]

jack ur opinion arent facts!
Me and the majority of the public thought cheryl picked the WRONG 3

[Smithy]

jack ur opinion arent facts!
Me and the majority of the public thought cheryl picked the WRONG 3

Er no. Rebecca was definitely the right choice

[joeysteele]

Well, I just don't like her singing voice,I look at X Factor and decide who I like from whether I would buy their CDs and go and see them.

Katie's voice grates on me, I was totally unimpressed when she failed to sing at Cheryls house,yet got through, the view taken then was that must never happen again,it did on Saturday so she is too great a risk really.

Also surprisingly,I have to admit, I didn't think she would be the least popular act on xFactor but she is,with the public who spend the money and take the time to vote for acts on the show.

It cannot be said she is popular with the public when she has been in the bottom 2 for 3 times in only 5 weeks. Her personality is clearly not winning over the majority of voting viewers and the dramatics from her at Cheryls house and on Saturday are further proof she has not got the X Factor,whatever it is, she has not got it.

I personally,not from any press reading or anything else,would not buy her CDs or want to pay to see her 'live' either, therefore those are the 2 main reasons I don't like her, I cannot hate her, I don't know her but as a singer she fails tro impress me totally.

Saturday really was and should have been the last straw to her staying in, it would have been the end for any other act had they done so,to come out having to give your real best performance to show you deserve to stay in the competition, then forget the words of the song you are singing,say sod it and sit down then chant one line over and over to the end. Pathetic and far from being the actions of a great performer/singer,what she did on Saturday was not worthy of any performer/singer.

Its also why she will be in the last 2 this week again but maybe they can come up with some other way to save her again though, who knows.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Er no. Rebecca was definitely the right choice

i never denied that. Rebecca and Cher were probably right in popularity, and obviously gamu was. Then the wildcard Treyc. that was right, if not Keri! she was super talented for as little as i saw of her for some reason

[Smithy]

i never denied that. Rebecca and Cher were probably right in popularity, and obviously gamu was. Then the wildcard Treyc. that was right, if not Keri! she was super talented for as little as i saw of her for some reason

Well then, she didn't choose the wrong 3 then, she just screwed up on the last decision then

[Jack_]

If you didn't like Katie Jack you wouldn't even care lets be honest

So you're now telling me I condone bullying? :conf:

Danyl had awful press. and was in the bottom 2 once (by 0.1%). He did amazing all series, and had probably worse press than Katie. He was actually liked.. So katie just sucks

He had nowhere near as much press as Katie.

jack ur opinion arent facts!
Me and the majority of the public thought cheryl picked the WRONG 3

Where did I say my opinions 'are facts'? Refer me to the post please. Thanks :xyxwave:

[Niamh.]

So you're now telling me I condone bullying? :conf:


I just think it's a bit strange that you take offence to someone mocking Katies chin but think it's ok to laugh at jokes about child abuse, strange morals there you have!

[MeMyselfAndI]

Ok then Jack...

they were easily the most diverse and interesting of the eight - that's something that not only makes a good category

Well they weren't the most diverse and intresting easily are they? As many people were watching Gamus performance, talking about her more (before live shows), liking her more (favourite to win). In no way was Katie more diverse or interesting by Gamu. Thats not "my" opinion, its the majority of the publics :xyxwave:

[Mystic Mock]

Er no. Rebecca was definitely the right choice

his on about away from rebecca i think.

[Jack_]

[QUOTE=Jack_;3902863]So you're now telling me I condone bullying? :conf:[/qoute]


I just think it's a bit strange that you take offence to someone mocking Katies chin but think it's ok to laugh at jokes about child abuse, strange morals there you have!

Because there's one main difference between the two:

One is a joke. The other isn't. If I encountered someone seriously mocking someone who, for example, had lost a child to their face - then I would not condone that. But jokes are jokes - and not meant to be taken seriously. And I have no reason to believe that any of the insults thrown at Katie are 'just a joke'...

[MeMyselfAndI]

I just think it's a bit strange that you take offence to someone mocking Katies chin but think it's ok to laugh at jokes about child abuse, strange morals there you have!

ignore him! his opinion is always right! and he will never give in. His opinion is all that matters! Gamu,Keri,TreyC and Rebecca are **** and Katie is far better in every single way. as in only he thinks that the public DONT

[Niamh.]

[QUOTE=Niamhxo;3902867]

Because there's one main difference between the two:

One is a joke. The other isn't. If I encountered someone seriously mocking someone who, for example, had lost a child to their face - then I would not condone that. But jokes are jokes - and not meant to be taken seriously. And I have no reason to believe that any of the insults thrown at Katie are 'just a joke'...

No no no hang on a second there, you make jokes about real cases on a forum just like people on this forum have mocked Katies chin as a joke, which YOU used as an example - forums. Don't be a hypocrite Jack.

[Mystic Mock]

[QUOTE=Jack_;3902872]

No no no hang on a second there, you make jokes about real cases on a forum just like people on this forum have mocked Katies chin which YOU used as an example forums. Don't be a hypocrite Jack.

he was especially bad on the toddler strapped to a wall thread,but thats ok its only a joke,but mocking katies chin is evil.

[Jack_]

Ok then Jack...



Well they weren't the most diverse and intresting easily are they? As many people were watching Gamus performance, talking about her more (before live shows), liking her more (favourite to win). In no way was Katie more diverse or interesting by Gamu. Thats not "my" opinion, its the majority of the publics :xyxwave:

...and the 'majority of the publics' makes it the right one, does it? This is what Vicky was [or should've been] referring to - you thinking that because other people agree with you, your 'opinion is right'. LOL, it doesn't work like that. Similar to how you believe that because a song charts - it's good, or the artist is good, or has been created by a talented artist. Again - it doesn't work like that.

Katie is more interesting than Gamu. And if we're using your logic to determine whose 'opinion' is more 'right', then Katie has received far, far, far more press attention than Gamu - therefore she must be more interesting, right? Because people who aren't interesting don't receive press attention...

[Niamh.]

[QUOTE=Niamhxo;3902879]

he was especially bad on the toddler strapped to a wall thread,but thats ok its only a joke,but mocking katies chin is evil.

yes far far worse it seems

[Novo]

Danyl had awful press. and was in the bottom 2 once (by 0.1%). He did amazing all series, and had probably worse press than Katie. He was actually liked.. So katie just sucks

Completely Clueless :joker: :joker: :joker: the press actually helped Danyl a lot by going on about the whole thing with Danni asking him why he changed the lyrics..... he probably got a lot of support just for that one thing alone..

[Vicky.]

This is what Vicky was [or should've been] referring to - you thinking that because other people agree with you, your 'opinion is right'.

Erm no. That wasnt my point at all.

My point was some people who cannot accept that others have a different opinion. Who think that their opinion is all that matters/right and that everyone else is just a sheep who disagrees because they are force fed bollocks by the papers :)

[Jack_]

ignore him! his opinion is always right! and he will never give in. His opinion is all that matters! Gamu,Keri,TreyC and Rebecca are **** and Katie is far better in every single way. as in only he thinks that the public DONT

:sleep:

Again - please refer me to the post where I specifically stated 'my opinion i always right'. Then get back to me. And at the end of the day, opinions are something that you yourself believe in - so surely I'm going to believe my own opinion is right? Just like you're going to believe that your own opinion is right? That is, afterall, the entire point of an opinion - so you're not making any sense.

And I never said Gamu and Rebecca were sh!t [Rebecca especially].



No no no hang on a second there, you make jokes about real cases on a forum just like people on this forum have mocked Katies chin as a joke, which YOU used as an example - forums. Don't be a hypocrite Jack.



he was especially bad on the toddler strapped to a wall thread,but thats ok its only a joke,but mocking katies chin is evil.

Yes...but those posts I made were jokes. I, personally, don't believe the remarks made about Katie are jokes, because people genuinely dislike/hate her. Do I hate toddlers/victims of torture? No - infact I'm the opposite.

[Novo]

Ok then Jack...



Well they weren't the most diverse and intresting easily are they? As many people were watching Gamus performance, talking about her more (before live shows), liking her more (favourite to win). In no way was Katie more diverse or interesting by Gamu. Thats not "my" opinion, its the majority of the publics :xyxwave:

Gamu was a ****e sob story which everyone fall for.. 99% of people have moved on and it's about time you did as well

[Jack_]

Erm no. That wasnt my point at all.

My point was some people who cannot accept that others have a different opinion. Who think that their opinion is all that matters/right and that everyone else is just a sheep who disagrees because they are force fed bollocks by the papers :)

Okay, fair enough - but don't you think that people that believe because other people agree with their opinion, their opinion is more 'right' are just as bad?

[Vicky.]

Okay, fair enough - but don't you think that people that believe because other people agree with their opinion, their opinion is more 'right' are just as bad?

Yup.

[Jack_]

Yup.

At least we agree on something then :)

[Niamh.]

Yes...but those posts I made were jokes. I, personally, don't believe the remarks made about Katie are jokes, because people genuinely dislike/hate her. Do I hate toddlers/victims of torture? No - infact I'm the opposite.

People don't hate her Jack, we dont even know her, its all panto. And that case was a real case of abuse, It actually happened, people actually know that child involved so I cant see how you think that's ok to joke about but some reality show contestants chin is a no go area:conf:

[Novo]

Why are all the Qoute boxes ****ing up? LOL

[Niamh.]

Why are all the Qoute boxes ****ing up? LOL

I dont know but I cant tell who I'm arguing with anymore:joker:

[Mystic Mock]

Yes...but those posts I made were jokes. I, personally, don't believe the remarks made about Katie are jokes, because people genuinely dislike/hate her. Do I hate toddlers/victims of torture? No - infact I'm the opposite.

so you think its ok to joke about abused children? but its not ok to joke about katie? come on jack you cant have it both ways.

[Vicky.]

jedward fever, I tried editing your post to sort the quotes out, it failed.

This is confusing me ;/

[Novo]

It looks like Jedward fever is talking to himself

[Mystic Mock]

jedward fever, I tried editing your post to sort the quotes out, it failed.

This is confusing me ;/

i know it looks like im arguing with myself.:joker:

[Mystic Mock]

It looks like Jedward fever is talking to himself

didnt you know i was a madman?:joker:

[joeysteele]

I bet you never expected your thread to take this shape kazanne,you asked an amazing question clearly.

[Vicky.]

I eventually sorted the quotes out. :laugh:

Please continue :p

[Mystic Mock]

I bet you never expected your thread to take this shape kazanne,you asked an amazing question clearly.

this disscussion will probably be going on until she finally leaves.

[Jack_]

People don't hate her Jack, we dont even know her, its all panto. And that case was a real case of abuse, It actually happened, people actually know that child involved so I cant see how you think that's ok to joke about but some reality show contestants chin is a no go area:conf:

...judging by some comments on forums, especially DS, it would appear some people actually do 'hate' her.

Because:

A) I was joking
B) I don't believe remarks made about Katie are jokes

If the remarks made about Katie were jokes or if I was being serious then you'd have a point.

so you think its ok to joke about abused children? but its not ok to joke about katie? come on jack you cant have it both ways.

I've already said twice that I don't believe people are joking about Katie - they are serious. I wasn't serious. Hence the difference.

[MTVN]

I kinda agree with Jack, when people make a joke about child abuse (or something similar) it is only that; a joke, there's no malicious intent or anything behind it.

When people make remarks about Katie, they might pass them off as jokes, but they are nontheless personal attacks on her, the "joke" is simply used as a way of insulting her. The same cant be said for dark humour jokes.

[Mystic Mock]

I kinda agree with Jack, when people make a joke about child abuse (or something similar) it is only that; a joke, there's no malicious intent or anything behind it.

When people make remarks about Katie, they might pass them off as jokes, but they are nontheless personal attacks on her, the "joke" is simply used as a way of insulting her. The same cant be said for dark humour jokes.

theres dark humour and then theres sick humour,and jack used sick humour in the toddler strapped to a wall thread,i had to stop reading the thread it was that disturbing.

oh and what about the posters saying the toddler was only strapped to a wall ffs no big deal,do you think thats a joke?

[joeysteele]

this disscussion will probably be going on until she finally leaves.

Oh well, that's 5 more days to that then.

[MTVN]

theres dark humour and then theres sick humour,and jack used sick humour in the toddler strapped to a wall thread,i had to stop reading the thread it was that disturbing.

oh and what about the posters saying the toddler was only strapped to a wall ffs no big deal,do you think thats a joke?

Yes, it's clearly a joke, humour is often used to make light of serious events.

[Mystic Mock]

Oh well, that's 5 more days to that then.

pmsl more than likely but who knows with the judges.

[Novo]

theres dark humour and then theres sick humour,and jack used sick humour in the toddler strapped to a wall thread,i had to stop reading the thread it was that disturbing.

oh and what about the posters saying the toddler was only strapped to a wall ffs no big deal,do you think thats a joke?

LOL!!!! I am sure you did...

[Mystic Mock]

LOL!!!! I am sure you did...

enjoy katie in the bottom 2 this weekend.:xyxwave:

[Novo]

enjoy katie in the bottom 2 this weekend.:xyxwave:

Yeah and i will also enjoy her being saved by the judges again

[joeysteele]

enjoy katie in the bottom 2 this weekend.:xyxwave:

She must be running out of sing off songs by now after so many times in the bottom 2, maybe that's how she cannot remember all the words.

[Novo]

Katie doesn't even have to sing the whole song.. she still get's through regardless, suppose that's just how amazing she is though

[Mystic Mock]

Katie doesn't even have to sing the whole song.. she still get's through regardless, suppose that's just how amazing she is though

no thats how much simon cowell wants headlines.

[nanaimo]

Katie doesn't even have to sing the whole song.. she still get's through regardless, suppose that's just how amazing she is though

she can't sing the whole song because shes ******ing useless, katie out!:dance:

[Mystic Mock]

She must be running out of sing off songs by now after so many times in the bottom 2, maybe that's how she cannot remember all the words.

well she might forget the words to the song again and go through yet again.

[joeysteele]

Katie doesn't even have to sing the whole song.. she still get's through regardless, suppose that's just how amazing she is though

So you call that fair and entertainment, would you really pay to go to see some singer in concert who was going to forget the lyrics of the songs she sings, you honestly think someone who does that has true talent?

[Mystic Mock]

So you call that fair and entertainment, would you really pay to go to see some singer in concert who was going to forget the lyrics of the songs she sings, you honestly think someone who does that has true talent?

i dont think i would,but who knows about novo.:joker:

[nanaimo]

i think novo was abucted by aliens and they zapped her brain to be obssessed with a no good talentless ott drama queen who has a face like wurzel grummidge

[joeysteele]

i dont think i would,but who knows about novo.:joker:

I know you wouldn't jf, you have admiration for real talent in the music business not pretend singers and entertainers.

[nanaimo]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/27/article-1216538-069A8F01000005DC-915_468x687.jpg

Found this nice pic of katie and cherv :joker:

[Mystic Mock]

i think novo was abucted by aliens and they zapped her brain to be obssessed with a no good talentless ott drama queen who has a face like wurzel grummidge

i thought novo was a guy by the way they act about katie.:shocked:

[nanaimo]

i thought novo was a guy by the way they act about katie.:shocked:

sorry my mistake

[Mystic Mock]

sorry my mistake

im not 100% sure if novo is a guy,its just how they praise katies looks all the time and lesbians that ive seen on here either get banned or leave.

[patsylimerick]

Someone needs to get a grip in this thread and it's not Jack.. comparing Danyl and Katie in relation to the press is the worst thing i have ever read on this forum...

I agree. Danyl could sing his *******ing socks off....

[Mystic Mock]

I agree. Danyl could sing his *******ing socks off....

now this i can agree with.

[Vicky.]

im not 100% sure if novo is a guy,its just how they praise katies looks all the time and lesbians that ive seen on here either get banned or leave.
LOL. Theres only been one lesbian that I know of that was banned, and Im not even sure if that was actually a lesbian. And I know of none leaving :p

And yeah, novo is a guy.

[Mystic Mock]

LOL. Theres only been one lesbian that I know of that was banned, and Im not even sure if that was actually a lesbian. And I know of none leaving :p

And yeah, novo is a guy.

well as thats the only lesbian i know on here i just pointed them out,so have there never been another lesbian forum member on here then?:shocked:

[Vicky.]

well as thats the only lesbian i know on here i just pointed them out,so have there never been another lesbian forum member on here then?:shocked:

No idea. Most dont go round bleating about their sexuality all the time.

I believe stacey is bi though, if this helps :p

[Mystic Mock]

No idea. Most dont go round bleating about their sexuality all the time.

I believe stacey is bi though, if this helps :p

i gathered about stacey i just didnt want to say anything.

anyway im going to bed now,see you in the morning.:wavey:

[Vicky.]

Night :love:

[Niamh.]

...judging by some comments on forums, especially DS, it would appear some people actually do 'hate' her.

Because:

A) I was joking
B) I don't believe remarks made about Katie are jokes

If the remarks made about Katie were jokes or if I was being serious then you'd have a point.



I've already said twice that I don't believe people are joking about Katie - they are serious. I wasn't serious. Hence the difference.

I stand by my opinion that you are in no position to say people are being vile towards Katie after some of the things you regard as being funny.

[fruit_cake]

I agree. Danyl could sing his *******ing socks off....

this, Danyl was brilliant :dance: It was Cheryl that launched an attack on him calling him arrogant and knocking his already low confidence.. he was lovely and very genuine too. Cheryl's trying to do the same to Aiden

[stewart64]

I just don't get it either. To be fair I am bewitched, but I am in good company along with Simon and Louis. And who needs fans when you have Louis and Simon by your side.

You almost sense that some contestants and fans would wish her harm, and they would give their left arm to see her six feet under ground.

I dreamed about her last night, nothing sordid, just met her in my local town and wished her the best for Saturday. She needs it, she is a dead contestant walking.

Look on Saturday if you have any interest in Katie, even if she is your number three or four , VOTE FOR HER.

Don't waste your vote on ther big four.....Rebecca, Matt, Aiden and Cher, they will get through anyway. They are great but they don't need your vote.

I have a vested interest, she is my number one still. She is adorable and because I am bewitched I never hear those duff notes.

[fruit_cake]

I'd vote for Katie if I were sure it would mean getting rid of Wagner